SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Delores Winder, had what I believe is one of the greatest verifiable miracles that I’ve ever observed. You may wonder what’s over here. This is a neck brace that she lived in. This is a body brace that she lived in. Delores, how long did you live in this?
DELORES: Well I lived in plaster of Paris ones for seven years. They would cut the size open and put straps on it, and then finally they started making plastic, and I lived in plastic ones for another seven and a half years.
SID: What is this bump here on the back?
DELORES: That’s where the bone came through the skin and was stuck out, and I had to wear a patch on that to keep it from happening.
SID: Okay. Some of you perhaps have never heard of Kathryn Kuhlman. I was privileged as a brand new Jewish believer in the Messiah to see her in the auditoriums, and she had such a relationship with the Holy Spirit that she lived for that relationship. And the greatest miracles I ever saw in my life happened there. But the greatest miracle that I know of that happened under her ministry is my guest, Delores Winder. And I want to take you back in time, and I want you to see this miracle taking place right now. Take a look.
Delores (video): I was in body cast for 14 years. Four fusions: one through the front, the other three through the back, two cordotomies to kill the pain. So this side of my body was numb from here down, this side from here down. Two weeks before I was healed my husband and I made my funeral arrangements.
SID: What you’re about ready to have unwind is going to build your belief in God, your belief in the miraculous. Delores, for those that don’t understand, you had a disease that your bones were becoming brittle way before their time.
DELORES: Yes.
SID: And when someone reaches a point that they’re about ready to die, they’re terminal and their pain is unbearable, they had a surgery back then, which they don’t even do today.
DELORES: No.
SID: It’s such a horrific surgery. What was it and what did they do?
DELORES: It was called percutaneous cordotomy where they go into the base of the brain through behind the ear and they burn out the nerve centers so you can never feel again in the part of the body that they burn the nerve centers out.
SID: Now you had it on both sides.
DELORES: Yes.
SID: Which meant that you had no feeling from where, your waist down?
DELORES: Well on my right side I had no feeling from my neck down, the left side from my waist down.
SID: And there is no reversal for this surgery.
DELORES: No.
SID: Never in the history of the world has it ever been reversed until that night when she went to the Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. Now Delores loved God, but did not believe in miracles for today. She felt they ceased. And so when the mother of the housekeeper turned on this Kathryn Kuhlman show, what did you say to her?
DELORES: Turn it off.
SID: Why?
DELORES: Because I came from Pennsylvania. I was always told Kathryn Kuhlman was a kook, said she healed people and that wasn’t true, and I believed it.
SID: And what did the housekeeper’s mother say to you?
DELORES: She said to me, “What is it you’re keeping your door closed to God?” And I had to respond because at that point I was waiting for an answer from God for my youngest son.
SID: You see, she had a young son, how old was he, Chris?
DELORES: He was 14.
SID: He was 14 and she was wondering what was going to happen to him when she died, because, well tell me about the orthopedic doctor that was a friend of yours when he told you, you were going to die. What did he say?
DELORES: Well when he came into the room they wanted to take me into the hospital one more time to see if there was anything they missed or anything they could still do, or anything they could learn to help somebody else. And when they did all this checking and had a new neurosurgeon in to look at me, and he said, “It’s time to go.” The tissues in my back were shredding even, where that bone was through the skin and they couldn’t even patch it. And he came in and sat down and I said, “What’s wrong?” And he said, “Delores, there’s nothing more we can do.” And he said, “I would give anything in this world to make you well, and there’s nothing to be done.”
SID: And she heard the voice of the Holy Spirit say to her, “Kathryn Kuhlman”. And she knew somehow that if she went to the Kathryn Kuhlman meeting she would find out, she’d have some peace of mind of what would happen to her son.
DELORES: That’s right.
SID: You literally said, you had chutzpah; you said to God, what did you say to Him?
DELORES: I told him, “I will not die until You show me how You’re going to take care of Chris.” And He gave him to us. He’s adopted. And He gave him to us after I was in my first body cast and then in a brace for several years.
SID: So did Chris ever see you normal?
DELORES: No, no, he never did. He never did.
SID: Okay. So you know you have to go to this meeting of this woman you don’t care for.
DELORES: But you know, I could go because it was a Methodist Spirit, Holy Spirit Conference, and I grew up Methodist, and I knew they weren’t going to let her do anything out of order.
SID: Okay. So you get in the car to go to this conference. You get out, but you can’t get out of the car yourself. So what do you do?
DELORES: Well Gail always put me in and took me out. And she couldn’t get me out because the pain, the shoulder was deteriorated also, both wrists and all my fingers.
SID: What was going on with your organs?
DELORES: Heart and lungs were very bad, and my kidneys, they started to close off and that was what was killing me. And this man stepped up and said, “Let me help.” He reached in and picked me up and took me in. Gail parked the car and came in, and he took us to seats. And Kathryn Kuhlman came out on stage and I thought, dear God, I can’t stand to look at her. And the Lord said, “You don’t need to look at her. Just listen.” And so I closed my eyes and I was holding my head like this, and she said, “Tonight I’m going to introduce you to the Holy Spirit.” Now she’s talking to Methodist pastors and lay leaders.
SID: It wasn’t a healing service.
DELORES: No, it was not a healing service. In fact, they made her send her people home because they couldn’t have healing. And so I thought, I know the Holy Spirit. It’s the Spirit of God. And she said, “If you call Him it you don’t know Him.” And suddenly something happened to me and I had my eyes closed, and I saw a little Kodak slide picture of Chris and a man on our front porch. And the man turned and looked at me and said, “Tell Chris he need never walk in the house alone, to tell him to take Jesus’ hand and walk in and I’ll walk in with him. But my name is Holy Spirit.”
SID: And now you felt you had your answer.
DELORES: I had my answer. I was ready to go home.
SID: She was ready to die. But God wasn’t ready for her to die. I know you’re not going to go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
