Sid: The thing that stops people from having intimacy with God, the thing that stops people from manifesting their healing, the thing that stops people from even fulfilling their destiny is they have issues in their life that maybe came from a trauma they had at an early age and they don’t even remember the trauma. It could even come generationally and they don’t have a clue and year after year after year they feel like there’s something missing yet their born again, yet their filled with the Spirit so they say, I think I have everything. Well, I know I have some answers for you this week, I’m interviewing Peter Horrobin and Peter for over twenty years has been studying how people can be free in every area of their life. And there is an area that I just don’t hear that much talk about, freedom from trauma. There are a lot of people, Peter Horrobin that have been in military and they come back and they can’t even talk to their family about some of the trauma that they went through and they have problems the rest of their life. There are other people that have traumas in fact in your seminar you were talking about someone that even in the womb, one of your director’s when before they were even born, tell me about the trauma that had occurred to him.
Peter: Yeah his name is Serall and he is Indian, and when he was in the womb and was probably about three months from being born, his mother saw a man killed right in front of her; shot dead. And she was absolutely terrified thinking that this was going to happen to her as well. And a child in the womb picks up all the things that the mother is going through and he was traumatized in the womb. Now he did not come to us with stories and say I was traumatized in the womb and I need prayer. He came to us because he was actually a pastor, a really good man, had a good ministry, but he said I can’t move forward. I’m crippled with fear on the inside and I’m reluctant to be able to do the things I know that God is telling me to do. The fear was controlling him. And so when our team prayed with him and were asking the Lord to show where the root was, we were right back into this experience and this man began to cry as a little baby as he was set free from the trauma he picked up from his mother. What happens in these cases, satan is no respecter of persons and Jesus came to set captives free and many people are in captivity to the enemy and the Lord’s prayers has delivered us from the evil one; and Serall got delivered from the evil one and it changed radically. Up until that point he had a congregation which was quite big, two and a half thousand. But in the next year his congregation went right through the roof, he finished up a year later with twelve and a half thousand in his congregation. And the restriction, the fear that was controlling him and preventing him from moving forward had gone, completely set free.
Sid: You know what I’m reminded of, you teach about Jesus said He came to bind up the broken hearted and in the Hebrew, what is broken hearted mean?
Peter: Well, when in Isaiah 61 it says the sovereign Lord would bind up or heal the broken hearted. The Hebrew word brokenhearted means actually shattered into separate pieces. It is the same word that was used when Moses threw down the tablets of stone and they were shattered into separate pieces. Do you remember that?
Sid: Yes.
Peter: And that’s what Jesus does, He binds up those who have been shattered by the experiences of life. One of the story that has really thrilled us and amazed us and has blessed many people was the story just being published is “Linda.” And Linda, when she was twenty-three years of age, she fell off a cliff on a night hike with her youth group in Sydney, Australia. She fell on jagged rocks below and she broke her back in four places. She was helicopter out ten hours later and three years down the line, doctors could do no more for her. She’s in constant pain, she’s on medication for the pain and the side effects of the medication, she could hardly walk twenty five yards is as far as she could walk without having to stop for the pain to subside. She said who’s going to want to marry me, I’m never going to be able to have children and she began to plan her own suicide. And in that stage of her life we met her at a medical conference in Australia because she had been a nurse. She was now pensioned off on a life time disability pension. The doctors in Australia said that she could never be healed and so they put her on a lifetime pension. And as we began to explain to her how about trauma breaks us on the inside our body reflects the pain that’s still there. She began to understand that when she fell off that cliff it wasn’t just the body that was traumatized but we are spirit, soul and body. We are a person inside our body as it were and the doctors did everything they could for the body but Jesus heals the soul and the spirit. And when we prayed for her for that inter-brokenness to be restored as prophesized by Isaiah in Isaiah 61 we watched as the Spirit of God came upon her and actually began to manipulate her whole body. Her body was being stretched out as if the spine was being stretched and put back into place. At the end of that evening she stood up and she was completely healed. Today she is not only healed, she went back to the doctors and said she will not need my pension anymore. She was the first person to ever come off her lifetime disability pension in Australia.
Sid: That may be the solution to some of our problems in the United States.
Peter: Well, I believe passionately that is the case. Actually she went back to work as a district nurse in the outback of Australia and she fell in love with the son of one of the people that she was nursing. And she is now married and she has got her own children and it is an amazing story. Jesus has given her back the years that we say the locust has eaten, satan robbed her but Jesus has healed her. Not just healed her so that she is existing, she is living an abundant life and fulfilled as a mother as well; amazing story.
Sid: Do you find many people that have had trauma in military that get set free? Can you give me an example?
Peter: Yes, I first learned about this when I was ministering to one of our team up here in the United Kingdom who had been, he was a very old man when we prayed for him. But he had been a real gunner in the Second World War; and he had had many terrible experiences in flying in those bombers and having to shoot the pilots of the attack air craft that were coming upon him. And he had many horrendous experiences and he locked them all away; and he really struggled with nightmares of these things that would come up at night and he could never get it off his mind until Jesus went right back into those experiences that he had. And I know today that there are many people who come out of the military and in the First World War they talk about being shell shocked and the experiences that people have in Viet Nam or whether it’s been Afghanistan or where they are traumatized by what they have experienced. And I believe that there are many many of the military today that could be completely healed by Jesus completely set free if they were able to come to Him not just as their Savior so that when they die they are going to go to Heaven, but that the Kingdom authority of Him who is the healer come right into our lives. Deal with the traumas that they’ve gone through; it may be painful but it is only actually walk through the reality of what happen with the one that can heal us. That we can be set free, we can be healed on the inside. That inner brokenness can be restored, we can be delivered of this infirmity and the pain and we can be given our lives back. I’ve seen it happen to so many people, I know that it can happen to many many more.
Sid: Peter, I don’t here many people talking about trauma, why is that?
Peter: Maybe it’s something that God is only really opening up to the body today to understand, but where ever we go I ask people to put their hands up as to what traumas they have gone through. You’ll find that in any congregation we have 100 people there you will find 75 of them at least have had either car accidents, they’ve fallen, they’ve down stairs, they have fallen off horses, they have had military experiences, they have been abused.
Sid: Do you find many people have had sexual trauma before marriage?
Peter: Sexual trauma affecting their marriage. Yes. I’ll never forget a young couple who they’ve been married now for three or four years but they’d never been able to fully consummate their marriage. They loved each other very much and when they got married they longed to complete their relationship, but the marriage bed became a place of terrible fear for the lady. And as we began to pray with her she began to unpack the memories that she buried. She knew that there was something bad back there that had to do with sex and getting into bed brought those memories right…the fear that associated with those memories right to the surface. But she didn’t actually know what it was and again this was sexual abuse where as a young girl five or six where she was terribly hurt in awful sexual abuse and so deep inside that broken part of her associated sexual relationships with fear and pain. So it’s no wonder that when she got into bed with her husband she could not consummate marriage because she was unhealed in this area of her life. She loved Jesus, she loved serving Him, but she was unhealed and it was only when He healed these things that she was then able to fully consummate the marriage and then go on to have a normal marriage life.
Sid: You find that many people have these ungodly soul ties?
Peter: Yes, you are touching into another big subject.
Sid: I tell you what, we are out of time.
