My guest is red hot for the Messiah, he kind of had an unfair advantage and that was he had a mother that had a visitation from Jesus, a nice Jewish mother that had a visitation from Jesus and how could she help but worship all the time? And so he was raised in that type of an atmosphere and you know as I was listening to your teaching, Renny on worship; which I am so amazed at what happens because it’s not just that people have an open heaven as they listen to your teaching. They will learn how to have an open heaven twenty-four seven in their own homes, in their cars, where ever they are. But as I was listening to it you made an interesting point, and something I did years ago and then I got away from it. And it has to do with singing; you were talking about singing over people. I use to have a healing line and I would lay hands on people and I accidently found one day that I started singing rather than speaking my prayer. Singing over each person and as I sang over each person the anointing got stronger, it doesn’t make sense to me; do you have any idea why?
Renny: I do, I do, I do because I tell you something, because the glory of God is in the sound. The glory of eternity is in our voice print. When we begin to worship, God begins to work for our worship on the earth. And that’s why…what we begin to sing is what God begins to do. That’s the power, that’s the beauty of it. If we speak the word we know he will do it. But the glory of it is when you rest in the word and sing it; and he’ll do it just as if you said it because really you are still saying it; you’re just saying it in a different way.
Sid: Yeah, but what I found when I sang it it was stronger; that’s what I don’t understand; it was stronger than when I said it.
Renny: Because when you sing it Sid, every time you sing; you see when you speak that’s not worship, you’re declaring, that’s a whole different tone. But now when you sing, it is coming from the atmosphere of worship which means, it’s coming from the glory realm and not a faith realm. So that’s why…
Sid: Now what does that mean, it’s coming from the glory realm and not a faith realm?
Renny: Okay let me give you an example; there are three realms of the supernatural. There is a faith realm, there’s the realm of the anointing, and then there’s the glory of God. The glory of God is the atmosphere of God, the manifest presence of God. Faith, faith is the substance of heaven on earth; that’s why it’s called substance. Faith connects us to the world beyond. Okay the anointing is not for the beyond, the anointing is for here. And so when we’re singing and we’re worshipping we’re singing from the heavens. Were not singing to get there, were singing from that position because, you know you look at it from a redemptive point of view. The Bible says were risen with Christ and were seated, so technically speaking we are actually singing from the heavens.
Sid: Well, you teach about we can be in two places at one time, which I never heard until you talked about that.
Renny: Oh yeah, were in two places at once Sid, and also this is really what’s so powerful about it is that when we begin to sing, and the Glory of God begins to come forth. God just begins to do things and it’s something I believe we are going to see more and more and more of when we really just begin to worship God. Because in heaven, in heaven there’s nothing, oh thank you Jesus, in heaven there’s nothing not done. So when you are worshipping and you said that you were singing over people, you were just worshipping in the absoluteness of the fact that everything is done, done, done because anything that’s not done cannot be in harmony. Everything that’s done is in harmony and so that’s why the Bible says by whose strips you are and then Peter said, by those strips you were. So you’re singing in now from eternity now; so it literally has a weight of glory on it; so Sid I’m not surprised when you said that you started to sing it that it got stronger yet because it was coming from heaven Hallelujah.
Sid: Explain this to me, people like say, I’m picking on Kathryn Kaulman this week, but people like Kathryn Kaulman, she seemed to have certain songs, music that she’d have Dino or Jimmy sing and it was sometimes the same songs. Why would she do that versus diversity; having lots of different songs?
Renny: Because there are some…, Sid I’m so glad that you asked this question, because I believe God’s going to put keys in people’s lives. There are some songs that forever will work because it’s a forever affirmation of who God is and what He is. So there are some songs you can sing in the next fifty years it will be ever be as powerful, because the song can carry that power. Like let me give you some songs up front. When I say them to you it will bring a lot to your mind. Let me give you some of those power songs that really carries the majesty of God. For example now, “How Great Thou Art;” that’s never died because of the power of it, you know. And the new way I’ve heard people sing it today is, “How Great Is Our God!” Notice it’s a declaration to the atmosphere to the earth, to the environment, how great, how powerful, how awesome, how magnificent is our God. So those songs carry that kind of power.
Sid: So in a church service a worship leader has to be sensitive to the exact song that God wants, not the one that sounds the best.
Renny: Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly any song that speaks about you evokes the flesh, that’s why worship is a total divorce from you, because it’s not you it’s coming from God and it’s of God. And so that’s something today that some of our songs need to be really changed. Because in reality were singing partly about, which has nothing to do with you, it’s all about Him. Like, let me give you another song let me give you some songs that we know that really can carry the power of God. Oh, for example this is a song that everybody knows you know. Our God is an Awesome God. Notice what we are saying, Sid, He’s an awesome God. He who reigns, He rules see those kind of songs will create the atmosphere for God to show that He is awesome. That He is powerful, because that’s what we are singing, that He is. And so when you sing that it creates the atmosphere for you to release your faith for God to do anything. But some of the songs we sing today are self centered and the self centered songs takes you inward, takes you to you and not to God and there not powerful. That’s the problem that we have now and so today, in a lot of our worship leaders, I love every worship leader but sometime we are singing songs to sooth our soul and were not speaking to the majesty and the power and the magnificence of an ever living God.
Sid: And the worse extreme of what you’re describing is famous singers in Hollywood or on television that were called by God to be psalmists and lead great corporate worship. They literally sold their gift for the things of this world.
Renny: Oh, that’s so sad, and to think about that God gave them a sound.
Sid: Take Elvis, tell me about Elvis.
Renny: Now Elvis was an incredible man, I tell you why I say Elvis was incredible; do you know that once upon a time we went to Memphis and we went to his house to see his mansion and we learned something about his music. They said every time Elvis went into the studio he was searching for a new sound. Isn’t that interesting? He was searching for a new sound, but they always said that he always preferred the spiritual songs. They said that he was like a different man when he sung them and so I put it down, a lot of them sold out, you know why Sid? And I hate to say this, but I just got to say this is because the church back then could not take a new sound.
Sid: That’s interesting.
Renny: So what happened was, so the enemy created a market for their voice and so that’s what we’re seeing today. Some of the greatest people we know out there right now, the sound was put in them when they were in church.
Sid: Let’s just take a moment cause our time is slipping away. What is the basic message of your teaching, “Matter Doesn’t Matter?”
Renny: Oh my goodness, oh my God so much…okay matter from a scientific point of view is constantly changing, it’s constantly changing. That’s why when the presence of God, oh my goodness, I’m just hearing the word of the Lord, when the presence of God comes through worship the reason why you can get miracles of all kinds, creative miracles, healing, whatever is because matter doesn’t matter. So a crippled leg can be made straight, a back can be made straight because when the glory of God is present, matter doesn’t matter; it sets you free. It lets you know that your condition is not permanent. It is subject to change because matter doesn’t matter.
Sid: You know on tomorrow’s broadcast you got a revelation just the other day, a prophetic word from heaven about the currency war that is going to happen in the world. I’d like you to talk about that. And if you enjoy my conversation with Dr. Renny McLean you will love our television show because Dr. McLean has been a guest for two weeks on my TV show. You can go to our web to find out where we are on television or actually see the show on demand. It’s Sid Roth.org, WWW.Sid Roth.org. Renny is it your favorite thing to worship God?
Renny: Yes. It’s my favorite thing Sid because you can’t closer to God than worship then through worship. And that’s when I really feel the greatness of God is through worship. I mean I feel the infusion of His life and His power. In fact even as I’m talking right now, there is somebody being healed and being touched and being set free; because their realizing right now, nothing matters to you more now than the presence of God. And every foreign power is subject to and it bows its knee to the presence of God. You know Sid, I so recommend the people to really get into that revelation.
