Sid:  My guest, Leif Hetland it’s an understatement he is red hot for the Messiah, and we are talking about something that plagued him even as a Baptist Pastor.  He had an orphan Spirit and he didn’t even know it.  But when he got free, the glory of God set him free, he began to understand the love of the Father, it transformed his life, but it’s not just that it transformed his life and his family’s life, its transforming churches when he shares this.  Tell me the experience you had at Pastor Bob Phillips church.

Leif:  Yes, Pastor Bob Philips had met me at a healing school with Randy Clark and while we were there I was able to give an impartation to his staff.  So he said that I would really like you to come to Houston, TX and I want you to share with our church.  And he’s the Senior Pastor of The Encourager Church and he serves on a lot different boards and so Dr. Bob Philips, he wanted me to release this message and bring a whole environment of family in.  And so we had some amazing services and he actually described it because he is visiting me now, because he described a whole environment of our churches.  It is one thing to have a visitation and we’ve had powerful anointing and gifting and impartations and power, but he said, “Something changed in the whole environment of our people, the very DNA of our people and it lingered it continued to stay upon the people.”  So the message that I came in with was both the Baptism of Love and it’s kind of people asked me, “Are you married?”  And I said, “Well, I think so.” Now if I cannot say yes, I’m married and my wife, her name is Jennifer we’ve been married for twenty-two years, I have four children.  If you have these uncertainties you probably have not had this baptism of love experience that I’m talking about.  It is like, Baptism of the Holy Spirit and so we released that over so there is no longer fear in the room.  That is the first thing, it is a Baptism of Love, you’re My Beloved Son.  Second thing was healing the orphan spirit and get rid of the pain and some of the things that took place.  And the third thing was the glory of God came into that place, even to the extent that people went to different places; Dr. Bob Philip and Juan Carlos who’s leading the God’s Spirit in Mexico today.  They went to Mexico, met with 2,500 young people, the same presence that was on them in that meeting came into the room and just changed the environment there in Mexico.  There was an impartation just of the environment and was a family environment, it was a love environment, fear was moved away.  They brought me to Mexico as an example and I was down there and it was taped all over the Latin world and I gave an impartation of love, healing the orphan spirit.  There was screams all over, it was televised, but it touched all over Mexico and something changed in the environment there.  So we are not talking about a visitation, but our lives, marriages, fear.  When fear moves out, perfect love cast away all fear.  So when the healing of the orphan spirit there’s screams, they’re yelling; some from childhood, some from the abuses, some from the shame, but also with all the drug cartels and what they were going through.  Many of them was up they’re husband has been killed, they’re pastor has been dismissed; there was so much pain in the room.  And we had gone with the anointing, powers and healing, but there was something that was missing.  But when that orphan spirit left and they got a glorious encounter with Poppa God something changes.  It is not just they started out there as the Encourager Church.  But that impartation of that went to a young explosion meeting where all the youth was out in the spirit, several of them were taken up to Heaven and they’re some amazing testimonies.  That move again, they asked me to come down and do their annual leadership conference from all over Mexico and plus it was taped all over Latin world.  And one example, while I released the love, one from Argentina that watched on line says, “That it was all over the world, Spain and all over people were watching, but it was like liquid love that came into the room he said; and the waves just continue and it has been going on four twenty-four hours.”  So he was one to testify and he’s been set totally free.  So the love started to touch even over technology, the sounds of love that came in there just continue and it’s just like liquid love.

Sid:  So liquid love is the best way to get rid of fear, to get rid of shame, to get rid of that orphan spirit.

Leif:  Yes, I say the Baptism of love is what changed.  I really feel that the biggest breakthrough I saw was with my friend, Bill Johnson and Randy Clark doing a healing school at Hosanna Lutheran Church.  And it has been five years ago now this Spring and when we were up there to Filipinos,  but all over the place, but two Filipinos they came up to me and they said, “Can you give us a “Father’s Blessing?” And they wept, because we are orphans, when they heard about orphan spirit.  But all over the place people stood in long line and they cried out because this orphan spirit that started to manifest.  I released the Father’s Blessing, they came up to me afterwards, showed me their hands; oil was coming out of their hands and that is Dr. Paul and Amir Auto, the President of Destiny Ministry International.  I didn’t know who they were, just two people in a conference, but a Father’s Blessing was given and the Father said, “I believe in you, you are valuable, you’re beautiful Father God I released what He saw about them and I started to release the destiny over their life.” They went back and since then revival started to break loose with a lot of signs wonders and miracles.

Sid:  Tell me the story about the feathers.

Leif:  So what happens, I went down the first time to the Philippians to their 500 leaders and it was actually literally wind that came in and blew over chairs in that meeting when the love came in.  But the second time I didn’t even know, I mean this is maybe the Baptist in me Sid, but I didn’t know that I was prophesying.  But in the middle of my message that I was preaching about I suddenly just, I didn’t know I did it, but I just stopped and said you are moving from an organization an orphanage, a church and you’re becoming a family.  When I said that I didn’t know and I have several key American leaders with me sitting on the first row, three big orange feathers just from nowhere just started to soar above my head and they just continued to float.  They continued to float long enough to when everybody in the audience, nobody listened to what I had to say.  And I’m thinking this is pretty rude, I’m sharing powerful message, I didn’t know, I was the last one to know that something was happening.  And then finally one called and said, “Daddy Leif look, look over your head,” and the feathers was there and I had those feathers with me; I carry them with me as a memory stone.  The Filipino’s they said, “What did Daddy Leif say when the feathers came?”  They learned about stewardship of the supernatural that is a sign that makes you wonder, what does this make us wonder about?  So they found a DVD and they saw that when the feather’s came and they said, “You are moving from being an organization, an institution, an orphanage, a church and you are becoming a family.”  And when the family was said, they said, “How does family look like?” was their question, and they started go into the presence of God to see how was it between a Father, Son and Spirit; that’s how we’re suppose to operate here.  And the next time I came I was blown away because everybody was family.  They operated like family, they gave like family, they love like family, it was a family, I didn’t visit an orphanage, I visited a family and since then the families on the earth has been blessed all over the world as a result of that ministry.

Sid:  You know so many, families, husband, wife, and children are run, as you put it, like an orphanage, because they’re all love starved, they’re all orphans.  So many churches are run as spectator sport where you go; you are invisible, you get feed, and then you leave, but that’s not what God meant.  Tell me what’s it’s like to have a church that’s a family rather than an orphanage.

Leif:  Well, first of all the first thing I recognize, I just need to, they are my heroes in the Philippians because I came to them as how did you do that?  What I feel here what I said, “You taught us that us Daddy Leif.”  “What did I teach you?” I gave them my notebook and what I did was observing a prototype of something that was from Heaven that was manifested on earth. One of the things that I saw, there was no punishment, I am not saying that there was not discipline, but there was no punishment.  There was no fear in the atmosphere.  I saw the supernatural what was natural.  I saw the way that they took care of one another, I saw that over ninety percent of any issues that was automatically gone.  I saw that when you are coming there it is not what I can get, because that is the orphans, but what can I give.  When they were coming there they were there to add value, not to receive value.  I saw, I mean that there was a major shift in the way that they were viewing…

Sid:  What you’re telling me, is the entire atmosphere changed.

Leif:  Yes.

Sid:  And when that atmosphere changes how is easy is it for people receive miracles, for people to be delivered, for people to be healed?

Leif:  Yeah, as I say we last year, a team just came back last week, but last year three of the meetings, every person was healed in the meeting and nobody know who prayed for whom.

Sid:  Every person?

Leif:  Every person, it was the only time in my life or ministry, I don’t say that it is normal, but it just happened in three meetings where every kind of disease just left and it was just the presence, and it was the family and it was the love and nobody knows who prayed for whom in a sense that it was not because I was there or somebody was anointed and gifted.  This was the nameless and the faceless move, it is a family; it is Sons and Daughters that is only doing what Poppa is doing.  And everyone carries, we are different from anointing and gifting, but that’s how you live in interdependence, they are not independent.  They need one another, they add value to one another, they honor one and another and it is just a phenomenal feel but it creates an environment where it seems like Heaven is coming down, not just to visit but it creates an environment where creative miracles is taking place, tumors are disappearing, and it is very very attractive as I say for God to come because He don’t want to come to be a visitor again and another program. He wants His family, He wants to habitation, not the visitation and that’s the environment.  So the supernatural seems so natural, it seems so easy and I feel why do we make it so difficult, including in my life that is supposed to be the Father of this movement?  I’m learning and I’m saying, wow this seems so easy, so simple.

Sid:  Boy, I can just feel such a velvety presence of the Holy Spirit, can’t you feel that?  Now Leif Hetland gives these seminars all over where he prays for the impartation of the Father’s blessing.  He prays for impartation of supernatural love.  He prays to have you healed of an orphan spirit.  He prays that you would be free from the perhaps you had a father that was absent or abusive, or just cold.  He prays for you to experience intimacy with God. 

Sid:  But there’s something that is preventing you from walking in the intimacy of a true Son of God.  You’re born again, you will go to Heaven, but there is something missing in your walk.  And that’s why all this week I’ve been speaking to Leif Hetland about an orphan spirit.  Leif, for those that are just tuning in, explain what an orphan spirit is and perhaps how to recognize if you have an orphan spirit.

Leif:  An orphan spirit is a primary identity of someone that is living the life without a home.  And what I mean by that you can have a 10,000 sq. foot house, but still not have a place of home, a place of security, we were made for that.  Every single person in this world God wants us to have security, a place of love, unconditional love because if there’s love deficits in your life you are going to look for love somewhere else; a place of value because to God, I mean you are fearfully and wonderfully made even before you were in his mother’s womb He knew you.  There’s something in each person that there is a value, but orphan’s don’t find that value because the orphan spirit is looking for value in what they are doing or they are judging themselves because they are never going to do enough; they don’t have a place from where the Father they have value.  And they don’t have a proper purpose in life that is from Heaven towards earth.  Orphans would live towards inheritance; either you will find it through massive striving, lack of peace, very self-reliant.  Orphans would have an incredible independent spirit and there’s two ways that I see an orphan spirit and you can recognize if you have one.  Are you comfortable with love?  Are you comfortable with intimacy?  If you are not comfortable and that is the major thing that I recognize in the same also with a different relationship, husbands and wives.  The orphan spirit will blame, the orphan spirit will say well, he did or she did, I didn’t do it, me, me, me that is either manifested in I me, me, me or pointing the fingers to other people playing the blame game.  So I think there’s a root here of restlessness, a root here where you do not have and an A+ on the Father’s report card.  You have not heard the voice that Jesus heard that He wants all of us to have that you are my Beloved Son or my Beloved Daughter.

Sid:  Okay, that leads to the next question, explain to me what Sonship really means.

Leif:  Sonship is also getting back to identity like Jesus was a Son of the Father and you will find that all throughout and that’s why the Jewish faith is so beautiful and you will find it because they define family; Abraham, Isaac, Jacob; but it has to do with family.  A son is somebody that has the identity of a father, have a heart of a father and are living the life in intimacy and relationship with the father is in proper relationship.  One of the Bible terminologies is the Spirit of Adoption, but you’re now part of God’s family; of the Father’s family; He is your Poppa; you are a Son or a Daughter and He is Our Father, but to be Our Father He is my Poppa.   He is your Poppa so you have a Daddy, a Father and you have been affirmed by the Father and that’s the key to being affirmed by the Father and anointed by the Spirit then you can be lead into the wilderness to be tested and come out with a testimony.  A son is somebody that has lived there life like they have a home, they have inheritance; all that Poppa has is mine so that when I am facing difficulties or challenges in life I’ll just say “Well, I’ve got a big big Poppa I’ve got small problems.  But if you got a little Poppa you’ve got big problems.  So that’s it, it is a relationship issue between a Father and a Son it is not a gender thing I am using now.  I’m just using the language like the guys, we are going to be called the bride of Christ for eternity; so this is just a language of a position that we have with Father God.

Sid:  Explain to me at the moment your eyes were opened and you were healed of an orphan spirit.

Leif:  I was lying on a floor and then as Jernigan had just sang a Father’s song over me and I heard the Father’s voice saying, “You are my beloved Son Leif, whom I am well pleased.”  The liquid love that flowed up and down and when I came up from that very floor one of the first things, I just started to weep.  I couldn’t weep, I couldn’t cry before because as Norwegians we don’t do that, just women cry, but not men; and now I weep all the time.

Sid:  Was that the first time you were ever able to freely weep?

Leif:   Yeah, I would say so because I shut down my emotion; I didn’t show a lot of affection; I was afraid of intimacy.  And so there was a lot of issues so when I came as an example home to my wife I just repented, I said, “I’m so sorry,” because there was areas where I had not been able to demonstrate love that I hadn’t been able to express love.  That I hadn’t been able to affirm her, I went to my children many times.  I remember one picture the Spirit gave me was my son came into me and said, “Daddy Daddy did you see my new shoes?  And I was, “Yeah, yeah, yes son I know it’s okay, but I’m working my sermon right now.”  And I just started to think about it and I just started to weep again so I went to my children and I said I’m so sorry for you are more valuable than my sermon, you are more…I mean I wept pretty much for two months afterwards because I started to think about all of these experiences where I had operate as an orphan and to fare financially speaking, the pleasures and everything else.  Jesus didn’t seem to have those pressures because He only did what the Father was doing.   He said what the Father was saying; He lived His life like a Son, He has an inheritance.  “Son all that I have is yours,” became an expression He told me a couple of months later, “All that I have is yours.” And I’m like wow, “Does that mean all?”  “Yeah, all that I have is yours.”

Sid:  The people listening to us right now, they’re dealing with fears of all kinds, they’re dealing with a father that had a lack of being able to show affection or even worse did things to them, or abandoned them, they’re filled with fear, they’re filled with shame, what’s the best way to get rid of this?

Leif:  The biggest thing is to come Home, to come Home.  First of all I want to remind all of us including myself, I had a great father, a good father, he didn’t do any of these horrific things and I literally have talked to thousands of people.  For ten years this has been a primary message, what I am seeing here with let’s come home to Father God.  He will never hurt you, He will not abuse you, He is not distant, He is not angry, He is inviting us like He did with the prodigal son to come home, you don’t have to be in the distant land, you don’t have to be in the pigpen or you don’t have to be out in the field you can come home.  That’s the first things is and what I mean with that is just to come to Poppa God and just getting a revelation of His love towards you, because when I started to get a revelation of the Father’s love towards me and not just that He loves me, but even likes me; He delights in me, I’m His happy thought.  The second element and there is a healing and that is I’m asking the area in my life that is not comfortable with love, because those areas are not comfortable with God for God to pour His love.  And that was including Derrick Prince and newsletter in February 9, 1998.  He had a great healing, deliverance, all this ministry, but he had that orphan spirit so he described that experience that he always all of his life.  We know Derrick Prince, but he had this little dark cloud, he had this struggle with oppression and when that happened to him he experiencing the love.  And he described in his February 9^th, 1998 of his love experience and all this healing took place.  So I’m not saying that you’re always finished with it, but as soon as I start to think like an orphan or feel overwhelmed by finances I am just climbing up on my Poppa’s lap being His little boy and then suddenly finding my security, my love value, my purpose in Him and being a Son.

Sid:  What if someone says, “I see an area where I’m not comfortable with love, what should they do about that?”

Leif:  First thing is just asking Father God to pour His love into those areas, because perfect love casts will take away fear.  I’ll give you one example, because I go a lot into some of the darkest Muslim nations in the world and I use to have a lot of fear doing it.  And the way it cured was that I was bitten by a Pit Bull when I was young and I’ve always been afraid and fearful of Pit Bulls.  If a Pit Bull was to attack a little kitty cat and I know maybe some of the listeners would react.  But if I asked, “What do you think I will do?”  And I need to be honest, I would do nothing.  “Do you know why?” Because the fear that I have for the dog is greater than the love that I have for the cat.  But now if my daughter was there I would have no fear at all.  Why? Because the love that I have for my daughter is greater than the fear that I have for the dog.  I spent three months just receiving love, coming to Poppa and I said, “Poppa I want you to love on me because the love has to come from Him, go through Him and back to Him.  It is not something we make up or we try.  I just position myself, “Daddy, I just want You to love on me today and I want your love go deeper.  I want you to touch…”

Sid:  I’m reminded of the scripture that says, “You have not, because you ask not,” and what you’re saying is that it’s so simple you are asking for Him to open you up to His love.  You’re asking for His love.

Leif:  Wow!  And in 1 Corinthian’s 13; gives a good definition of what love is.  “Love never fails,” that means love always wins.  “It is patient, it is kind, it does not envy.” That’s the nature that you’re pouring into yourself.  It is something that has to do with His nature, the other experiences that I have been in lately is not just to ask that, but I have encountered with Him who is love and that has to do with, I’ll just open myself and through those encounter who He is what you become.  So when fear comes my way it is always an invitation for me to have an encounter with Him who is love; and the love that I experience is not what I just study and read about, but the love that I experience being with Him is what I become and what I become now I can release and the love in me can now change the fear that is around me and you can change an environment and settings and that’s what we just saw when I was overseas a few weeks back.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought.

Sid:  My guest is Leif Hetland, and just before we went on the air I was thinking you know, every show I start out with “We’re the Mishpochah” which is a Hebrew word for family.  And Leif isn’t that what we’re talking about this week when we talk about the orphan spirit and the spirit of son-ship and the devil is the founder of this orphan spirit and he tries to spread it to everyone possible and God is the family of Sonship which God’s really trying to make an extended family.

Leif:  Yeah, and that’s the beauty I hadn’t even, because I don’t know Hebrew as well just know a few words, but as you said that first of all, “Heaven on earth is a family business.  It started with a family and it ends with a family and we’re living a season where the Father is restoring His family here on earth and eventually they are going to be represented from every nation tongue, tribe and language.

Sid:  Well, Malachi talks about this restoration of the last days the Spirit of Elijah is going to come and restore the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers and it says if that doesn’t happen they’ll be a curse on the earth.

Leif:  Yeah, and on the other side we are seeing it in Romans 8, “Creation is moaning and groaning.”  So, there’s a cry in creation from the poor to Muslims, to people all over in homes and poverty and pain and suffering.  Where are the Sons, where are Daughters?  Creation is moaning and groaning and groaning for the very manifestation for us to become what we already are.  Get back and live a life like we have a home, like the prodigal son that leaves sin and let’s get back home to the Father’s home.  If it is rebellion or religion, let’s come home and I have experienced both being, rebellious and religious so I speak out of a lot of experience.  But that’s the glorious home coming that’s taking place in the kingdom.

Sid:  Well, you know most people with an orphan spirit are under a deception and they don’t even realize that they have this because they’ve pushed that fear and that injustice and that pain down so deep that they rely on themselves and that they’re so deceived they think they’re relying on God.

 Leif:  Yeah.

Sid:  Tell me about yourself.  Tell me about how you got an orphan spirit and how you got free.

Leif:  Yeah, I believe that some of that orphan spirit is in us from birth.  It started with me, give me, bless me, I need a clean diaper, “Wah Mommy I want.” Everything is about self in the center and so to a certain degree some of that is there, but for me a major shift that took place was that I came from a godly home.  I mean we have from every angle, both from my Mom and Dad side which is very unusual in Norway, my country, very solid Pentecostal background, good theology, good security.  I had it all, had a great great home, but the deception was the enemy came in and there was a abuse that took place when I was about twelve years old.  And I didn’t know that I put on fig leaves; fear, insecurities, guilt, loneliness, because pain seeks pleasure, now you feel shame and you feel pain and you start to cover up.  And I didn’t realize I started my journey to become a prodigal son, the enemy the ultimate orphan came in and now in the next moment, this is even before I was saved and I gave my life to Jesus, but automatically I started to run towards anything that could try to stop that pain.  The good news was that when I was eighteen years old I had an amazing encounter with Jesus.  Supernatural encounter with Him where I was saved, I was healed and delivered, set free from all kinds of things.  It was just one of those glorious salvations that was the good news!  The bad news was that I went to church which was more like an orphanage where they now was training me to go from a prodigal son to become the prodigal brother and I started with all the duty of religion.  And that kind of was my journey for many years; I went to Bible College, seminary became a pastor and now of course I must be holy, I need to do this, I need.  The prodigal brother issue because if I do that maybe Poppa is going to be well pleased with me.  But, I never do enough, my wife doesn’t do enough, my children don’t do enough.  I never have enough money and no matter what I did I could not please my Father.  So some of those lies that that orphan spirit was there, I mean I was…

Sid:  So you were fear driven, that’s what I’m hearing?

Leif:  Yeah, and it’s to the root of the orphan spirit that’s why the first thing it starts with is a Baptism of Love because “Perfect Love takes away all fear.”  When you’re becoming free from fear than that’s when you can start to live.  But yes, I was fear driven, but it is connected to this orphan spirit.

Sid:  But as a Baptist Preacher, I recall you just got so dry.

Leif:  Yes, I was burned out; I never did enough.  I had some amazing encounters with the Holy Spirit, but the problem was that it was leaking.  The Holy Spirit visited me and I knew now the anointing…

Sid:  And by the way, that’s why the people go from meeting to meeting because they have encounters with the Holy Spirit, but they leak.

Leif:  Yeah.

Sid:  So, they could go to meetings the rest of their life, but if they’re still leaking they’re never going to be satisfied.

Leif:  Yeah, and one of my favorite picture of the Holy Spirit is the dove and because I have started to study and look more and more at doves.  And what I realized I can have the dove and this is how I realize in year 2,000 when I first an encounter with the Father’s love I realized that I was in a big Word of Faith Church, a black church preaching and a dove was there, signs, wonders, miracles.  The power of God just touched that place, it was amazing and then I came into the car and I started to think certain thoughts and every else, the dove was gone, the presence was gone and by the time I got to my wife and kids and got home; I mean I was irritated, I was this and I was that.  I didn’t have love, joy, peace and all of these wonderful things that the dove brings.  I had pigeons but I didn’t know what happened and I started to just notice in that in my life that…

Sid:  But why would you leave such a wonderful place so filled with the Spirit of God and come home irritated; I don’t get it?

Leif:  Well, that’s why I think that that orphan and that orphan spirit comes in, because I didn’t understand that the superglue on your life that is going the dove to stay that’s where we have been anointed by the Spirit.  So we’ve had a baptism of water, a lot of people that are listening and some have had what we call a baptism of the Holy Spirit, the dove came upon you, but they’ve not had a baptism of love and have not been affirmed of the Father.  That was the key for the dove to stay upon Jesus.  Even in the wilderness had the dove stay there and when He came out of the wilderness He was full of the Spirit.  That’s what happened to me in the year 2000.  Suddenly the Father came and similar what Jesus had and there was a voice from Heaven, lying on the floor in Melbourne, Florida that says “You’re My Beloved Son whom I am well pleased.”  I just wept because I couldn’t understand God could be pleased with me because I looked at all these different issues.

Sid:  How does this play out in your marriage with an orphan spirit?

Leif:  Well, when it said that, “You do not do enough,” and you strive for approval when you are constantly having to do something and you are competing with other people and the next moment you are often judgmental because your wife doesn’t pray enough or suddenly in the next moment you start the blame game.  And it affected my marriage and I many times weep about it because I didn’t realize what I was doing that I had such expectation that I thought that God had on me.  And now I put this same expectation on everybody else and it was built up on this fear base and so they didn’t do enough.   So they did feel the affirmation and just the love and the “I’m well please with you, you are my beautiful bride.”  And they didn’t hear that so much, but “You didn’t do this,” or “I wish when I’m preaching you should be up in the front or the kids should be quiet,” or woo I’m still getting drained even talking about how my life use to be as an orphan, it’s just a… It was just a very painful thing for us.  We just survived in it and a lot of orphans do; they learned how to survive in the orphanage.  But why would you want to live your life in the orphanage when you can come home into a beautiful beautiful place?

Sid:  …When people hear this teaching and you pray an impartation of the Father’s love, what changes are you hearing that occur to people?

Leif:  The biggest thing is I say first of the individual life.   People are becoming free from themselves because self has been I the center of the orphan spirit life.  And second of all that I see what major changes they are stopping and they are not judging a lot of the people that are around them because the measurement is not based upon what everybody else does.  You suddenly feel the pain of a brother falling or you feel the pain of your spouse that has been struggling because you’re viewing them with the eyeglasses of love the way the Father views you.  And the other thing I’m seeing, I’ve seen some amazing miracles, I’ll just share one of them in Ankeny, Iowa that I never forgot; Renee was sitting in a wheelchair and it was in an Assembly of God Church in Hawkland Assembly of God, late that night I prayed and we saw a lot of healings but one girl sitting in a wheelchair.  She had been prayed for by all the big names in America, actually I had prayed for her before.  Tragic accident and from her neck and down she cannot move. And suddenly I didn’t have a lot of anointing or faith, but I asked, “Renee what would you like the Father to do for you?”  And she said, “Healing my orphan spirit.”  I never forgot it, tears coming to her eyes and I just started release a Father’s Blessing for her and to make that story short, because we have watched it over and over again, but I said, “Father I know that if this was my daughter Lila that was sitting here, I know what I would do, and now Father I know that you love Renee much more than I love Lila, give her a sign that you are going to heal her and in a matter of one hour and forty-five minutes, Renee is running all over the room, everybody is shouting.  Her father comes in who is in from a different theological equation that believes maybe this was God’s will.  But we had tried faith, we had tried anointing, we had tried giftedness and I have seen major miracles happening when suddenly they realize that, “I am a beloved daughter, my Poppa loves me, He is well pleased with me, He wants to give me great gifts.” And when something shifts in the view towards God and God’s view towards them, suddenly now the view towards others and their views towards the future is just changing in people.  Some major miracles are happening, mainly all kinds of mental disorder; four people bipolar, I mean we have just had so many things where they are laying on the floor for just hours just weeping like I did.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; I wish you could have been a fly on the wall just listening to our conversation before this interview.  Leif Hetland, this is such an important area, we’re talking about healing the “orphan spirit.”  For starters would you explain what you mean by what you mean by an orphan spirit?

Leif:  Yeah, I do believe that the orphan spirit, to put it in a very simple terminology, it can be believers or nonbelievers;  it can be Muslims or it can be from any religious faith, but it can also be somebody in the church, but it is primary an individual that are living their life without a home.  Not without a house, but they do not have a place of security where they feel secure, where they feel loved, where they feel value and they feel purpose.  So they will always then usually two tendencies; either to rebellion which we talked about before, more like the prodigal son and he was a son and there were sin issues and struggles and strongholds and it will take you to this land or sooner or later the pig pen.  Or there would be the religious aspect of the orphan spirit and that is, “Look at what I’m doing for God and you’re constantly working and striving and everything else hoping that Poppa is going to be well pleased with you,” because you are an orphan with an orphan spirit that don’t have a wonderful home and a place in the Father’s heart.  You have not had an affirmation and a father’s blessing over your life; comfortable with Jesus, maybe comfortable with the Holy Spirit, but perhaps you don’t know Him as Father God.

Sid:  Well, to be candid with you the emphasis since the Charismatic Movement, I don’t know about before because I wasn’t a believer in the Messiah before, but since the Charismatic Movement the emphasis has been Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but not Father God.  As a matter of fact most Christians don’t focus on Father God, they focus on Jesus. 

Leif:  Yeah, I believe what’s taking place is that there was a orphan and he was the first orphan with an orphan spirit and his name is Lucifer.  He actually rebelled against His Father and he took actually one third of the orphans with him and eventually…

Sid:  That was quite an orphanage he put together.

Leif:  It was and he created.  But one of the strategies that Lucifer, I mean you can run to the cross over and over get even saved, healed, delivered, but the cross don’t bring you home.  Jesus says. “I Am the way, way to where?”  “I Am the Truth, truth about what?”  So what we have seen is that Jesus was there not just so that we can get to Heaven, but to bring Heaven to us.  The second Adam came to bring us back again into a relationship with Father God.  Back into family where you could hear His voice, see His face, feel His love, experiencing His presence and live in His pleasure, living your life like a home, like Eden.  That’s where I think one of the missing pieces are is that Lucifer is trying all over the place and even if we can get hold, like myself tremendous Jesus encounter with healing, deliverance as well as salvation tremendous encounter with the Holy Spirit.  I had power, I had the dynamite; but orphans with dynamite can be very very dangerous and you can hurt yourself, your marriage, children everybody around you if you are not aware about this orphan spirit; so it’s a testimony of my life.

Sid:  Now so many people that are believers have an orphan spirit in your opinion?

Leif:   Yeah, in my opinion I believe that the majority of the believers have an orphan spirit.

Sid:  I believe that also.

Leif:  Yeah, I believe like myself that deception is very deceiving I didn’t know I had one.  There is some example in 1995 when I first went to Brownsville and we were reminded, it was in the Father’s day that move was started, but in August as Baptist Pastor from Norway stood in line and I came in.  And I didn’t know I had that orphan spirit and constantly hoped that if so and so would pray for me and this one, but they just walked by me and I was more and more offended that certain people didn’t touch me and I didn’t realize that I had an orphan spirit was rising up.  Other people were being touched, look at that person being blessed and so that one has a testimony and that one got healed.  If it was a family I would rejoice because that’s my brother and my sister that just got healed or touched and blessed, that’s how you

Sid:  That you were so hurting that you couldn’t think that way, you could only think from a selfish mindset.

Leif:  Yes, and that’s what orphans do and they are in competition that’s why we split churches, that’s why marriages split.

Sid:  Give me some of this so that people listening, give me some of the symptoms of an orphan spirit, how we could recognize it if we’re working from that.

Leif:  Let me give you some of a couple of examples, first of all orphans are often independent and there very self-reliant.  They’re independent, it’s about me, bless me, touch me, fill me, me, me so when it comes to…they see often God as a master, but they are independent or self-reliant;  while sons and daughters when in a family realm are interdependent.

Sid:  You know what I often think about, Jesus said, “I only do what I see my Heavenly Father doing,” and seems to me and orphan says is pragmatic and says, “Well I don’t see my Father doing so therefore I got to do it myself.”

Leif:  Yeah and here’s the ache that I feel in my heart, I have some powerful testimonies of transformation in my own life, but there’s several stories that come to my mind.  But one of the first time that I taught this very thing I’m remember people weeping all over the place, they ran up, but I’m guessing a transformation taking place when they get this very revelation and that is that first of all of Father God, but I believe that is the dysfunction of Father and I dealt with it different types of father.  If you had a father that was abusive, a father that was authoritative, a father I mean I went into different types of father and all over the place people just started to weep.

Sid:  A father that is not abusive necessarily, but distant.

Leif:  Yeah, now God is

Sid:  Or absent.

Leif:  Yeah. 

Sid: I mean look at the African American community, how many are single parent households. 

Leif:  Yeah, and just a couple statistics, I’ll try to not use a lot of them, but I was just thinking that  40% of all children today will go to bed in fatherless homes their Daddy, natural Daddy is not even around.  And 63% of the suicide comes from fatherless homes, and ninety percent of all homeless and run away children and the list goes on and on and on.  So America’s government said, “The number one problem that we have,” this is Federal Interagency for Child and Family statistics they say that, “The biggest problem we have in America of all problems is fatherlessness, Number 1!  What Jesus wanted to do and He said…

Sid:  You know what I’m wondering as I hear you say this, because I’ve heard people say this is that many people become homosexuals because they never had a good father relationship.

Leif:  Yeah, and we have seen literally mass mass deliverances when it comes to homosexuals; mainly just when there was a healing of the orphan spirit when you release.  What I do is, I release a Father’s Blessing over people and I represent Father God and I ask sometimes forgiveness for the natural fathers standing in the gap.  But even the Father bless them and then He says, “Now you can be fruitful, just be fruitful, multiply and take dominion.”  But right before and I know that you as Jewish people understand this better than us Norwegian and Americans, but it was the Father’s blessing that said, “Now you can be fruitful, multiply, take dominion, whoa, ask of Me and I will give you the nations.”  Right before there is a correlation right between a Father and a Son, but we do not see the relational element of being a Son like Jesus.  At first in the natural for eighteen years, excuse me for thirty years, but you will find that when He was twelve years old till He was thirty years old that He placed Himself under the subject of submission under His Father’s mission in the natural and then the Heavenly Father came and says, “You‘re My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.

Sid:  I have to believe that there are people listening to us Leif, right now that feel that disconnect, they’ve substituted other things, but they know in their heart of hearts there’s a disconnect between them and God.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Peter Horrobin. And some of you have been abused when you were a child and you buried it deep. But it’s time for freedom for you. It’s time for you to be free.

Peter, tell me the story of that woman in Russia, Olga.

Peter: Yeah. Baba Olga came to one of our conferences and Olga, being brought up in Russia, she had had a really abusive childhood, but then she was sexually abused by Russian officers in the Communist system. She had a horrendous childhood. Then she met and married an American barber who was over there on business and he brought her back over here. And years later she has scoliosis of the spine, constant pain, constant physiotherapy, no hope of anything being healed. And she came to the teaching on forgiveness. And as she heard the teaching that I had been sharing from the Word of God she suddenly realized that God was saying there’s a link between her twisted spine and the pain she’s in constantly, and the abuse that she suffered as a child. And right there sitting in the seat just listening to the teaching, even before I prayed for anybody, you know, you don’t have to have someone pray for you. When you begin to actually put things right in your own heart, the Spirit of God…

Sid: And by the way, some of you can be doing that right now right as Peter is talking.

Peter: Absolutely. Yeah.

Sid: Come on now. Your parents didn’t raise a dumb person. Do something. Go ahead.

Peter: So as I was teaching she heard the message, “forgive” and she forgave. And as she was sitting there in the conference she began to feel her spine being straightened. She couldn’t understand what was going on, but she knew that there was a link now that God was working out. When she got home that night, she looked at herself in the mirror and her previously twisted spine was absolutely straight. All the pain had gone. And she came back the following day to the conference just absolutely rejoicing. She had forgiven. She turned as it were the master key, I like to talk about it, she had forgiven and she had spoken blessing out on those who had abused her and hurt her.

Sid: She opened the door that had been closed with all of that pain.

Peter: Absolutely.

Sid: And the pain left.

Peter: Jesus went into the room with her.

Sid: I like that even better.

Peter: And all the pain and all the suffering, and all the demonic power, she was delivered. She knew she was being delivered of spirits of infirmity that were affecting her spine and holding it in that twisted position.

Sid: Tell me about the woman in Rwanda.

Peter: Yeah. Frieda was in an incident in the middle of the Rwanda genocide. All her family had been gathered together and they were about to be murdered. And the people who were doing the killing just gave them the option of how they were going to die. And they all chose how they were going to die. They were too poor to buy a bullet, which would have been quick, and so they were hit on the back of the head by machetes. And she watched as her younger brothers and sisters were murdered one by one in front of her, and her mother, and all the rest of her family, 15 members of her family, and she was the 16th. All of them were put into a shallow grave. Fourteen hours later, someone sat on that grave and heard a noise from underneath.

Sid: She was buried alive with all of her dead relatives.

Peter: She was buried there. Absolutely. They thought she was dead. And she made a noise and that was her. And they scrambled underneath and they pulled her out. So she had been alive for 14 hours with 15 dead members of her family. She fled the country. Out of the country, she met a friend who introduced her to Jesus and she began to read what she calls The Book. And in The Book she began to see that, not only had Jesus given her new life and relationship with God, but He wanted to live His life through her. And in The Book it said, “Forgive.” And so she was like, “I’ve got to forgive.” And when she came back to Kigali after the genocide was over, she went to the jail where the man who had done the massacring was in jail and she spoke forgiveness to him for what he had done.

Sid: How could she do that? Explain to me how she could do that. I mean, someone that murdered, I mean murdered by hitting your relatives, your mother, your father, your brother, your aunt, your uncle on the head, and you, you’re knocked out and they’re all put into a grave. You didn’t do anything wrong, nothing wrong. You’re buried alive and you’re telling me she went to the prison and forgave that person?

Peter: She did. And that was the grace of God. You cannot do it except He gives you the courage to do it. And it’s exactly the same thing. How could Jesus forgive those who were nailing him to the cross? It’s actually a very similar situation. And he said, “Bless those who curse you.” And when she came away from the jail she was a different person. Many years later, she wanted to help her fellow Rwandans. And she came to one of our schools to train, but she was constantly in pain. The back of the head where she was hit with the machete, the pain never went away. Every night when she sank into semi-consciousness on her pillow, she was sinking into the grave, along with all the dead relatives. The trauma was right there every single night. And that conference, that school that she came on, I prayed with her that Jesus would go right into those memories, right into that moment of trauma, right into that moment when she had actually been put into the grave and to heal her at that moment in her history. And a transformation took place. The following morning she came down from her room and she said, “For the first night since the genocide I have slept without any nightmares. I have no pain in my head.” I’ve been back to Rwanda, been to her home and she and her husband are now pastor of a 3000-strong church in Kigali.

Sid: Can you imagine that from being buried alive to being a pastor of a 3000-member church? If Frieda could forgive, it’s easy. It’s easy for you to forgive. When we come back, I’m going to have Peter pray for you. Don’t go away.