Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; I wish you could have been a fly on the wall just listening to our conversation before this interview. Leif Hetland, this is such an important area, we’re talking about healing the “orphan spirit.” For starters would you explain what you mean by what you mean by an orphan spirit?
Leif: Yeah, I do believe that the orphan spirit, to put it in a very simple terminology, it can be believers or nonbelievers; it can be Muslims or it can be from any religious faith, but it can also be somebody in the church, but it is primary an individual that are living their life without a home. Not without a house, but they do not have a place of security where they feel secure, where they feel loved, where they feel value and they feel purpose. So they will always then usually two tendencies; either to rebellion which we talked about before, more like the prodigal son and he was a son and there were sin issues and struggles and strongholds and it will take you to this land or sooner or later the pig pen. Or there would be the religious aspect of the orphan spirit and that is, “Look at what I’m doing for God and you’re constantly working and striving and everything else hoping that Poppa is going to be well pleased with you,” because you are an orphan with an orphan spirit that don’t have a wonderful home and a place in the Father’s heart. You have not had an affirmation and a father’s blessing over your life; comfortable with Jesus, maybe comfortable with the Holy Spirit, but perhaps you don’t know Him as Father God.
Sid: Well, to be candid with you the emphasis since the Charismatic Movement, I don’t know about before because I wasn’t a believer in the Messiah before, but since the Charismatic Movement the emphasis has been Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but not Father God. As a matter of fact most Christians don’t focus on Father God, they focus on Jesus.
Leif: Yeah, I believe what’s taking place is that there was a orphan and he was the first orphan with an orphan spirit and his name is Lucifer. He actually rebelled against His Father and he took actually one third of the orphans with him and eventually…
Sid: That was quite an orphanage he put together.
Leif: It was and he created. But one of the strategies that Lucifer, I mean you can run to the cross over and over get even saved, healed, delivered, but the cross don’t bring you home. Jesus says. “I Am the way, way to where?” “I Am the Truth, truth about what?” So what we have seen is that Jesus was there not just so that we can get to Heaven, but to bring Heaven to us. The second Adam came to bring us back again into a relationship with Father God. Back into family where you could hear His voice, see His face, feel His love, experiencing His presence and live in His pleasure, living your life like a home, like Eden. That’s where I think one of the missing pieces are is that Lucifer is trying all over the place and even if we can get hold, like myself tremendous Jesus encounter with healing, deliverance as well as salvation tremendous encounter with the Holy Spirit. I had power, I had the dynamite; but orphans with dynamite can be very very dangerous and you can hurt yourself, your marriage, children everybody around you if you are not aware about this orphan spirit; so it’s a testimony of my life.
Sid: Now so many people that are believers have an orphan spirit in your opinion?
Leif: Yeah, in my opinion I believe that the majority of the believers have an orphan spirit.
Sid: I believe that also.
Leif: Yeah, I believe like myself that deception is very deceiving I didn’t know I had one. There is some example in 1995 when I first went to Brownsville and we were reminded, it was in the Father’s day that move was started, but in August as Baptist Pastor from Norway stood in line and I came in. And I didn’t know I had that orphan spirit and constantly hoped that if so and so would pray for me and this one, but they just walked by me and I was more and more offended that certain people didn’t touch me and I didn’t realize that I had an orphan spirit was rising up. Other people were being touched, look at that person being blessed and so that one has a testimony and that one got healed. If it was a family I would rejoice because that’s my brother and my sister that just got healed or touched and blessed, that’s how you
Sid: That you were so hurting that you couldn’t think that way, you could only think from a selfish mindset.
Leif: Yes, and that’s what orphans do and they are in competition that’s why we split churches, that’s why marriages split.
Sid: Give me some of this so that people listening, give me some of the symptoms of an orphan spirit, how we could recognize it if we’re working from that.
Leif: Let me give you some of a couple of examples, first of all orphans are often independent and there very self-reliant. They’re independent, it’s about me, bless me, touch me, fill me, me, me so when it comes to…they see often God as a master, but they are independent or self-reliant; while sons and daughters when in a family realm are interdependent.
Sid: You know what I often think about, Jesus said, “I only do what I see my Heavenly Father doing,” and seems to me and orphan says is pragmatic and says, “Well I don’t see my Father doing so therefore I got to do it myself.”
Leif: Yeah and here’s the ache that I feel in my heart, I have some powerful testimonies of transformation in my own life, but there’s several stories that come to my mind. But one of the first time that I taught this very thing I’m remember people weeping all over the place, they ran up, but I’m guessing a transformation taking place when they get this very revelation and that is that first of all of Father God, but I believe that is the dysfunction of Father and I dealt with it different types of father. If you had a father that was abusive, a father that was authoritative, a father I mean I went into different types of father and all over the place people just started to weep.
Sid: A father that is not abusive necessarily, but distant.
Leif: Yeah, now God is
Sid: Or absent.
Leif: Yeah.
Sid: I mean look at the African American community, how many are single parent households.
Leif: Yeah, and just a couple statistics, I’ll try to not use a lot of them, but I was just thinking that 40% of all children today will go to bed in fatherless homes their Daddy, natural Daddy is not even around. And 63% of the suicide comes from fatherless homes, and ninety percent of all homeless and run away children and the list goes on and on and on. So America’s government said, “The number one problem that we have,” this is Federal Interagency for Child and Family statistics they say that, “The biggest problem we have in America of all problems is fatherlessness, Number 1! What Jesus wanted to do and He said…
Sid: You know what I’m wondering as I hear you say this, because I’ve heard people say this is that many people become homosexuals because they never had a good father relationship.
Leif: Yeah, and we have seen literally mass mass deliverances when it comes to homosexuals; mainly just when there was a healing of the orphan spirit when you release. What I do is, I release a Father’s Blessing over people and I represent Father God and I ask sometimes forgiveness for the natural fathers standing in the gap. But even the Father bless them and then He says, “Now you can be fruitful, just be fruitful, multiply and take dominion.” But right before and I know that you as Jewish people understand this better than us Norwegian and Americans, but it was the Father’s blessing that said, “Now you can be fruitful, multiply, take dominion, whoa, ask of Me and I will give you the nations.” Right before there is a correlation right between a Father and a Son, but we do not see the relational element of being a Son like Jesus. At first in the natural for eighteen years, excuse me for thirty years, but you will find that when He was twelve years old till He was thirty years old that He placed Himself under the subject of submission under His Father’s mission in the natural and then the Heavenly Father came and says, “You‘re My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.
Sid: I have to believe that there are people listening to us Leif, right now that feel that disconnect, they’ve substituted other things, but they know in their heart of hearts there’s a disconnect between them and God.
