Sid:  My guest Katie Sousa is going to talk about a subject that is almost ignored, or the other extreme you have to go to almost a college course to take care of it. But it’s literally causing a problem for the promises of God to be operating in your life.  And everyone knows about forgiveness, and you know how that if you don’t forgive you drink the poison you want the person that wounded you to drink.  So you know how to forgive, but there is something called wounding in the soul, haven’t you noticed that some people take off once they become a believer and move in all the gifts of the Spirit and the promises of God seem to be activated in working and they have dreams and visions and words of knowledge.  And other people year after year after year they don’t see much of that going on, and they have problems in their life, problems in their marriage, problems in their finances, problems in their health.   And it has to do with a wounding in your soul. Now Katie Sousa you have been teaching on this and the thing that amazes me about your teaching is that you keep it so simple, it’s easy enough for one, and once someone understands the principals for them to be free.  Let’s start out with what is wounding of the soul, what does that mean?

Katie:  Okay, that’s easy.  We’re a three part being, body, soul and spirit and when we become believers our spirit man is made perfect in an instant. That doesn’t happen to our soul, our soul has to be progressively healed over time.  But here unfortunately overtime there have been a progression of wounding in our souls and those wounds come from two main sources from trauma like if we have a traumatic event, a death of a love one or an accident, or something like that those events can literally wound our soul.  And doctors will even tell you that if you have something happen in your soul, like if you have a traumatic event happen it can develop like into a physical sickness.  But there is another thing that wounds a soul that every single person on the face of the planet has done and that is sin, sin literally wounds us in our soul man, I mean there is scripture on it in Isaiah 30 it says, “That God will bind up the hurts of His people and heal their wound inflicted by him because of their sin.”

Sid:  But wait a second though, are you saying to me when someone repents of their sins and is born again and Jesus is living inside of them they still can have scars on their soul that will limit them in their walk in the supernatural?

Katie:  It’s true and I’ll tell you how that works, so here we are we all go through life and we sin and according to the Bible sin creates wounds in the soul, even the Psalmist said, “Oh Lord heal my soul for I have sinned.”  Indicating that the sin had wounded the soul; so we all have these wounds inside of us and we go okay “Well, we plead the blood and that takes care of everything.”  Well, here’s the piece where the church has missed and this is a crucial piece of healing that we didn’t understand, we’ve all been applying the blood of Jesus on our sin and that’s exactly what the blood of Jesus does, it washes us from that sin.  And we go okay we go in the closet and if we sin or do something we repent and we apply the blood and we put the cross on our sin and then we come out of the closet and we go “Amen okay I’m done.”  But at the end of that prayer we’re still sick, we’re still broke; we still have relationship problems, our mind is still being controlled and all these problems are still happening in our life so what happened?  I thought, didn’t we just apply the blood and isn’t the blood all powerful?  Yes, it is, the blood is all powerful, but the blood had a specific job, it is for the sin.  But what we didn’t understand is that sin made a wound in our soul and there is another power that comes from Jesus Christ that is specifically for the wound that sin made.  And power is called dunamis; it comes to us from the resurrection of Christ.  You see the church has been for centuries focused on the cross as we should, we have to have the cross, we need the cross to be reconciled unto God, to have eternal life, to be cleansed of our sin.  But the thing is, we also need to be focused on the resurrection and a power called dunamis that comes from.  Because see without the resurrection Jesus is still a man dead in a tomb; see He had to be raised from the dead for everything He had accomplished on the cross to become activated.  So when Jesus was raised from the dead it gave us a power called dunamis.  Let me talk about that.  Paul said, in Philippians 3 he says, “I want to know him, meaning Christ, and the power, or dunamis, that’s what it is of His resurrection.”  See through the resurrection there comes to us a power called dunamis, now the reason why it’s so important for us to start partaking of that dunamis just like we partake of the blood is because of what dunamis means. In the Greek if you look it up in the Strong’s there’s like four meanings, I’ll just tell you two.  The first one is the power to perform miracles, and the second on is this, “To be excellent of soul.”  You see the power, (laughing) that dunamis that comes from the resurrection is for the healing of the wounds that sin made.  So when we put the blood we take care of the sin.  But that sin still let the wound behind, and the Bible says, “We’ll prosper and be in health even as our soul prospers.”  So when that wound is left behind it ruins out prosperity, it causes us to be sick, it affects our health.

Sid:  Let me tell you something that I envision as I’m hearing you speak right now. Someone comes to the Lord, they genuinely are born again, they genuinely have an experience with the Lord. They have a soul, and I envision the soul as the heart, and if you had x-ray vision you could see scars on this heart from being a human all these years as a nonbeliever, and as a believer being undiscipled in the word of God.  I see these wounds, or these scars, so if you could see someone’s soul, see their, and it looks like a heart there are scars all over, and is there a way of getting rid of these scars?  That’s what’s your saying and yes I hear what you’re saying; there’s a dunamis which is a Greek word for the power of God.  But how does this transaction occur, how do you get rid of the scars?

Katie:  Just like people go in their closet and get on their knees and go “Oh, Jesus forgive me of my sin,” Let’s say they you know, they drank, they went out and they drank some alcohol and then they are totally convicted.  So they go into their closet and they go “Oh Jesus heal me of that sin with your blood, wash me clean of that sin and right now in Your Mighty Name apply your cross to that sin in Jesus Name.”  And so they apply the blood, you do the same thing, you just use the same level of faith, the same coming before the Lord and you go “Now Jesus I’m going to take a second step, I’m not going to stop at the first step, I understand that I need all of you, I need Your cross and I need Your resurrection.”  And so now I’ve partaken of Your blood Lord for my sin and I know that the Bible says when I do that my sin is gone, but now I know I got to deal with the wound that sin made.

Sid:  I want to get rid of those scars because those scars are short circuiting what God has for your life.

Katie:  Those scars are completely controlling the church, okay. Those scars are making people talk to each other, and respond to each other in this horrible way and that’s why people can’t get along.  If you’re a born again believer, two born again believers have no problem getting along in their spirit man, so what does that leave behind, it’s their soul and it’s wounds on their soul.  Paul says, I do the thing I don’t want to do because the sin nature fixed and operating in my soul.  He knew that it was sinning because of the junk that was in his trunk.  We’re all, we’re trying, we’re trying so hard not to sin, we’re trying so hard to walk in righteousness, we’re trying so hard not to scream at our husbands, or our children, or our boss, or to go back to our old ways.  But we can’t just seem to help ourselves, it’s like we’re being controlled by…

Sid:  Are even Christians that become addicts like for instance the biggest addiction right now I know of right now is pornography, it’s hard to believe a Christian could be addicted to pornography, but they are.  And it’s got to do with these wounds in their soul.

Katie:  Yes, that’s what happened that sin of pornography literally wounds then and that wound then does what Paul says, “I do the thing that I don’t want to do because the sin nature fixed and operating in my soul.”  It dries them back to watch it, over and over again and they sit there feel so condemned and they’re like “Oh God, help me stop, why can’t I stop.”  They can’t stop because the wound is there controlling them, driving them.

Sid:  So if the wound was gone all they have to do is stand on a promise of God and it works the way the Bible says it supposed to.

Katie:  Exactly, that’s why Paul Paul’s the guy that says “I do the thing that I don’t want to do because of what’s in my soul.”  And he’s also the guy that said, “I want to know Him and the power, or the dunamis, of His resurrection.”  He was saying look, I’m so aware of what going on in my soul and I have had a revelation that what will get me healed of that thing is the dunamis power that comes through the resurrection, it will cause me to be what dunamis means, excellent of soul.  You know Paul prayed for everybody in Ephesians 3:16 “He prayed I pray that you would be strengthened and reinforced in your inner man (I looked it up that word means the soul) He goes by God’s mighty power, which was dunamis.   So he was praying for us to be filled in our souls with dunamis because he understood that dunamis gets rid of those scars, it gets rid of those wounds that came from our sin and then…

Sid:  Op we’re running out of time Katie, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.  But Mishpochah this is such vital teaching, I mean I wish everyone of us, me included had this understanding when we became brand new believers.  Can you imagine we’re walking around fighting the devil with one arm tied behind our back?

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah she’s been a guest several times on the Messianic Vision. For those that are not familiar with Katie Sousa if you’re familiar with Bonnie and Clyde I affectionately like to say she was Bonnie and Clyde put together.  I mean at her wildest she was doing police were chasing her at high speed chases; she was making her own drugs; she was enforcer of collecting money of people that owed drug debts.  She had a career in radio and TV modeling; in fact Katie you were a model on the Home Shopping Network.

Katie:  Yeah, it was called TelShop on Financial News Network. It was so crazy Sid because I would show up to work and my job was to model the clothes because they would sell these different clothes on this program. But I would come to work high with dope in my pocket and in between the breaks I would jump off the stage run to the bathroom and go do another hit of dope it was crazy.

Sid:  Okay and you also were in a band and you were a drug supplier in Hollywood. I don’t know how a young person can get involved in so much so quickly. You finally you got your due you got arrested and you were…how old were you when you were given twelve and a half years in a Federal Penitentiary?

Katie:  I was thirty-five I believe at the time almost thirty-six.

Sid:  I mean, when you got that sentence how does someone deal with twelve years in a prison?  First of all I don’t think you or anyone else knew how bad it would be to be in prison, but just the shock when you found out 12 ½ years you’re a young woman and the best part of your life is going to be taken away from you, how did you feel?

Katie:  Well, you know I knew what prison was going to be like so I wasn’t liking the idea; I mean I had been arrested twelve times before that final moment; twelve times in one year.  And when they gave me that time it’s like; it’s almost like you’re going into this shock you can’t believe that is going to happen to you.  But praise God at that moment I had already started to come towards the Lord and seek out His presence and all that. He was right at that moment He came in giving me seeds of hope in my heart that He was going to do something amazing for me which He did.

Sid:  Well, and that is what the most wonderful miracle He actually told you you would get out without serving the twelve and a half years and He told you the exact date you would get out.  Did you tell anyone in prison the exact date you were going to get out or did you just ponder that with the Lord?

Katie:  Oh, no, no, no when God gave me the revelation about my new out date, I went out the next day and told everybody in the facility which is like 1,200 women by the end of the day they all heard about it all the counselors heard about it and they were all laughing at me because they thought I was nuts.

Sid:  Now when you heard the exact date was it just the year or was it more exact than that?

Katie:  Oh no, He gave me November 21^st as my date and the number 57 and I didn’t understand the 57 until later, but it came to pass exactly as that because when I got– when I won my case about six months later they gave me my new out date which was November 21^st 2003 which was my 57 month in captivity.  So it was a very specific date.

Sid:  While you were still in prison you were radical for crime; you were radical for the devil literally he had you and knowing you now I know how you are now, but how were you in prison were you just as radical back then?

Katie:  Radical for crime or radical for Jesus?

Sid:  No, radical for Jesus.

Katie:  Well, when I first came in Sid I spent the first year in and out of what they call the hole; out of lockdown; because I was in constant fights, I mean I was attacking COs, I was attacking officers.  And I was getting thrown into the hole over and over again, but at the same time God was coming and revealing Himself to me; He was doing miracles.  Like I would be in the cell down in the hole where they let you have like nothing, there’s freezing cold air blowing in there you’re sleep on a little metal bench, I mean there’s nothing and I would sit there and I’d go “Okay God if you’re real you know bring me a Bible.”  And they would take me out for a shower the next day and I would go in to throw my dirty clothes into the uniform bucket which was usually like stacked to the sky with like dirty uniforms, but there wouldn’t be anything in it but a Bible.  So there was these miracles that happened to me during that year of rebellion.  That strengthened me to pursue God and say wow, this guy is real, this God is real!  And it would cause me to just like get as radical as I was for crime for Him now because He was showing Himself to me.

Sid:  Now you affectionately called your group of friends that were in prison with you “The God Pod” tell me about the God pod.

Katie:  (Laughing) Well, you know God used my “leadership” qualities that I had on the street to be able to lead you know groups of people into these sophisticated crimes and everything else.  He used that leadership quality to lead the women in my pod, in my unit to Christ. So we began to; I began to round up literally round up the pod.  I would stand up in the middle of the pod and go “All right everybody it’s Bible story time, come out here right now.”

Sid:  And if you don’t come out I’ll kill you – no (laughing)

Katie:  You know I’d sit there and I’d teach everybody and then we would learn these songs and people would stand up on the upper tier and the lower tier and we would all be singing away and of course the whole entire unit is like in a glass bubble it looks like in and aquarium and the police are out watching all that.  And so they’d see us you know the upper tier and the lower tier singing these songs and everybody around the tables and I’m preaching, teaching Bible studies and all of us praying and we would have baptisms in the shower where we’d throw people in the shower and baptize them.

Sid:  (laughing) Oh you did have a captive audience come to think about it, I’m teasing.

Katie:  They were sitting there watching us we got deemed the God pod.

Sid:  Now, you were suppose to serve 12 ½ years in a Federal Penitentiary, you were given an exact date.  You told people ahead of time that you were going to be paroled on this exact date, how long did you serve?

Katie:  Well, it ended up that when I won my case I went back to the court and if I can tell a little story it would be really funny.  They wanted to give me more time because they were so angry that I had won the case because they hated my guts.  And so the prosecuting attorney says “Well, were going to put in a motion that you’re going to get more time because this is just an appeals court that you won.  And so he went into the judge and said “Judge I’m putting in a motion that we give her more time but you let me go down there and take all the chemicals that were found at her laboratory and come up and weigh them so I can add on the motion for her to get 20 years instead of 12.  And so the judge agreed.  And so they sent them out to go down to get these chemicals, well what had happened is that while I’m still in prison a year or two prior and women who was the president of the Hell’s Angels she was a girl friend of Hell’s angels the top guy came in through my prison and she was totally, radically saved by Jesus and she had a prophetic word for me saying “That God was going to destroy the chemicals in my case.”  Well, at that time I had already gone to court, they had already weighed the chemicals so I said, “Well, that’s nice but you know they already weighed my stuff it’s too late, she goes “Never the less, that’s what God said and that’s what’s going to happen!”  Well then fast forward to a year and half later and we’re in the court and this guy puts in a motion to reweigh the chemicals so that he can add on to my sentence.  He goes down there to get them, they come back from the recess and he announces sheepishly he announces to the judge that all the chemicals had been destroyed because of the dangerous nature of those chemicals.  And so they had to give me my motion and they took 7 years off my sentence.

Sid:  Rather than doubling your sentence was what he wanted they took seven years off of your sentence.  Well, I have to tell you not only is Katie Sousa radical for God and some of those rough edges have been refined but my wife was listening to the teaching that we’re making available this week, we were driving in the car and we were just listening to it and what a subject.  I mean the title of the four CDs are “Stay Unoffendable” and think about that for a minute.  But Katie I found you almost like a young Joyce Meyer because you are funny, the stories you share I mean my wife was in stitches!

Katie:  (laughing)

Sid:  But I bet it wasn’t funny when you were going through some of these things you were talk about. (laughing)

Katie:  That’s the thing you know, it’s never funny while it’s happening but later on you look back and it’s hysterical. (laughing)

Sid:  Let me ask you kind of a bottom-line if you are offended constantly, and let’s face it everyone has an opportunity to be offended multiple times daily.

Katie:  Yeah.

Sid:  I’m talking about a good believer, I’m not talking about nonbelievers, a good believer it takes no talent for someone to do something that hurts yeah.  A spouse, a child, an employer, a teacher, a pastor. Is it possible to live 24-7 unoffendable you cannot offend me?   I mean really and truly is that possible?

Katie:  Well, two things that I believe that can get you to pout over being offended and that’s one, you got to get rid of the past offenses first, you got to get healed of those because they’ve wounded your soul, that sins wounded your soul probably talk about that in a minute.  And then after you do that you have to get rid of those first, you got to heal those first because they’re controlling you.  Once you’ve spent years or months or even weeks being offended it cause a wounding in the soul.

Sid:  And you know I’m amazed and I’m cutting you off because we’re running out of time, but it’s amazing to me that even gifts of the Spirit are your words of knowledge will not increase if there’s wounding in your spirit.  You physically sick if there’s wounding in your spirit, the promises of God don’t operate in your life.

Sid:  My guest Mary Katherine Baxter had an encounter with God in 1976 that when you find out about it you’ll actually be glad you didn’t have it although I wish more people had it, it would sure change their entire paradigm for this life, this short blink of the eye.  You see for thirty nights in a row she visited Hell, why did Jesus want you to experience Hell Mary Kathryn Baxter?

Mary K:  Because most people don’t believe in Hell, don’t believe there is a Hell and they don’t believe in a lot of the Bible teaching even in Ezekiel 33 about the size of the pits in Hell.

Sid:  Well, let’s take you back to that very first night for your first experience in going to Hell, tell me about what you experienced.

Mary K:  Well, the very first thing when the Lord took me down a gateway, He actually translated me there with Him, He was in human form and I was in the spirit.  And the very first night when He translated me down this gateway there was on the edges of this gateway Sid was demon powers beyond description.  And I was protected with Jesus and we went down into the very base of the center of the earth and Christ said, “Hell has a shape like a human body lying on its back and we would go through the left leg of Hell first.  And you talk about a feeling of being lost, you talk about a feeling of grief and…

Sid:  And so you know what you went to experience it as a nonbeliever even though you were a believer even though you were a believer, is that what you are saying?

Mary K:  Yes, in the beginning okay going down the gateway there was a feeling came over me Sid that it was like my heart and my entire being was lost, I guess you could say it was an experience like a nonbeliever in the beginning.  And everything that was real was like it was not there, your dreams were gone, your hopes were gone, everything that you ever hoped for dream you knew was gone.  And it was like something just took my entire heart or soul and ripped it out and I screamed and screamed to God and I said, “What is this, what is this?”  And He allowed my normal feelings to come back and He said, “That’s how everyone feels that’s been cast into Hell, they’re cut off from the living God.”  He said, “I had to let you experience that and He said ahead of you is a lot of grief and great sorrow.”  And that was the beginning of my journey into Hell and when I came to the base of the thing I had my normal feelings back, it was not like the descending down the gateway and I was glad because the feeling is no, I cannot describe it, it was the most horrible lost, hopeless, no more hope, no more destiny feeling that you could ever, ever imagine.  And it’s hard to put into words.

Sid:  Knowing what you know today about Hell and what it is to be lost and what t he eternal suffering is and the reality of it, is there any way you could backslide?

Mary K:  No, I would never backslide because after seeing what I seen I never, never want to miss Heaven, because after you’ve seen Hell and you’ve seen the reality okay of the judgment on backsliders and you see it on the corrupt society, after you’ve seen this you don’t never feel the same, you don’t want to backslide.  In fact you want to draw closer to God, you want to know more about Him.

Sid:    Well, take me on that journey a little bit more.

Mary K:  Okay, as I’m walking through the left leg of Hell with the Lord we came to these pits, there’s all kinds of holes in the ground and in every hole there is fire and in every hole there’s a skeleton full of dead man’s bones and they have a Skelton form that can talk and can turn and there is like a corrupt on their flesh that grows and burns and falls off back in the fires and their screaming and you can’t tell if it’s a man or a woman until they speak.  And then every twenty-five feet is a demonic force like a demon that’s in the shape of a snake with an Egyptian face or wings of evil demons they would spread and they’re full of corrupt, they’re full of the odor that makes you very very sick you feel sick because of the smells in Hell.  And as you’re standing there with the Lord you look at the face of Christ and tears are coming down His face and He says child for all these I died but it’s too late, He said, “They have rejected me, they rejected the gospel and He said, “It’s too late for these I’m going to show you.”  He said, “This is the judgment of My Father upon sin.”  And this was the left leg of Hell and I stood with the Lord and fires was on the ground, it was very low fires, it was like hot lava had run on the earth it was cracked, burned, dry, you could hardly breathe the air was so hot.  And there was like lights, dim yellow light in a distance and fire, the red from the fires and then it was like a half a mile high above their heads was like rocks hanging down, jagged rocks and I could see well with the Lord way back like I could see one million or more souls burning in this area.  And it began to break my heart and I said, “Lord, what can I do a housewife and a mother whose going to believe me Lord to tell them this story?”  And Christ said, “Come and I want to talk to some of them” and he said, “When I talk to them you will remember what I say and what they say.”  And that’s what He told me and then we begin to walk, He took my hand and we begin to walk among these pits.  And they would, the corpses would reach their bony hand up and turn toward the Lord when He walked by and they would cry and they would tell their stories about how long they had been there, they would talk about…

Sid:  Tell me one specific story that really impressed you.

Mary K:  Okay, it was a woman voice and she used to be a minister of the gospel, she really did and she was talking to the Lord and she said, “She called him Lord, I knew that you would come, I’ve been burning in this place for many years and I cannot die and she said, “If you’ll only forgive me she said, “I’ll never do the sins I did before and I had hatred in my heart and I had murder and the Lord put His hand out towards her and said, “Peace, be still.”  And He turned to me and he said, “Child this woman sins are many He said, “In the beginning of her life she was a preacher of My word He said, “She preached My word” and He said “Then when she was on a trip her husband committed adultery on her and when she came back he told her and asked her forgiveness and she would not forgive him.”  She begin to hate him, she begin to quite reading her Bible, she stopped preaching my word and said that hatred entered into her heart and the woman said, “Yes, it did.”  And she said, “Oh Lord, and she began to repent to Jesus,” she said, “I wish I had never done that.”  She had taken a gun and hatred, the devil really got into her and she killed the other woman and the affair was only I think according to what I heard just like very short and he even repented to the whole church and to her and she killed the other woman, killed her husband and then herself.  And she ended up in Hell, and the Lord spoke about hatred and bitterness and unforgiveness and He told her He said, “Satan tempted her husband and she would not forgive him though he had repented.  And He said to her, He said, “Oh woman if I had only listened to what you preached, if you’d only listed to what My sweet Spirit of forgiveness” and the Lord began to teach and tell her right there in Hell what she had done and we just walked away with her shaking and sobs but no tears would come because she was burning in fire.

Sid:    Let me ask you this question, alright I’m sure people ask you this “Why would a loving God have His humanity suffer so much and never a chance for reversal once they end up in Hell?”

Mary K:  That question I have asked God and I’ll tell you what, the only thing I know is that He’s a righteous God and Heaven cannot contain evil again, Satan was thrown out of Heaven and no sin can ever enter Heaven again, none.  And what I really believe, you know because Satan was thrown out when he tried to overrule God and God is a righteous God, He’s a just God and He gives us chance after chance to repent, woman that Christ spoke to He also said, “He’s given her many many chances to come back and repent but she would not.”  And that was the key was that that the gospel must be preached and the people must have a chance to understand and repent to the Lord and turn around from their sins and I don’t have the answer that you…

Sid:  Now when you see someone that is hardened against the gospel after you’ve shared you must really feel bad for that person.

Mary K:  Well normally we don’t see to many that’s hardened after I talk, the Lord has really really blessed my testimony I go all over the world.  We just finished a TV show yesterday and we did a Hell seminar we just finished.  And Sid another man came and he was in a cubic in Hell he was an atheist and the Lord had mercy on him.  And he was in a cubic thing and the devil and I saw this too the devil gave him false illusion of a false paradise when he first ascended into Hell and he saw his own ancestors had died and went on before him and they were, the demons had camouflaged them and made them look like his relatives.  And he told them this is not real I’m an atheist and I’ve always hated God but this is not real and immediately they turned to demons powers and as he told his story and I told mine the whole church repented, the repented every service because every hard heart was just melted.  People was brought in from the church there to eat and they get warm and they hear the gospel and the hardest of hardest ones would come up and get saved.

Sid:  I think we’re living in a time right now where God’s extending His mercy on people because He knows what’s about ready to happen.

Mary K:  Sid, that’s so true, so true and that’s what we felt like you know.  And Sunday we wept nearly all day from the presence of the Lord He was like an urgency to win the lost they were car loads and bus loads of street-less people come home.

Sid:  You know we’re out of time right now but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, my guest I don’t think she has a choice she must be red hot for the Messiah.  Her name is Mary Katherine Baxter and I ‘m speaking to her home in Melbourne, Florida; and in 1976 she was a mother and a housewife but she had received a very interesting prophecy before this event occurred in her life.  What was the prophecy Mary Katherine?

Mary K:  Well, it was several prophecies Sid, I was a; we had a great church, a great pastor, John Gauzen and as we would have great meetings he was a man that would go to like Full Gospel Business men and different speakers, Shambach and then he would take a team of us there.  A prophet would always call me out, it seemed like I would always be there with my pastor and leaders and he’d say “You young lady, you’re going to have dreams, visions and revelations.”  And then another prophet in our church said, “The day would come when Christ would appear to me and show me a revelation that would shake the nation.”  And I was young in this but I grew up in church; I grew up in Tennessee in the church and so I knew what it was to take heed to the prophets to remember what they said and believe God for it.

Sid:  But I don’t think you were quite ready for what happened to you; these prophesies began to happened to you and you literally experienced going to Hell for thirty nights in a row.

Mary K:  Yeah.

Sid:  And then for ten nights going to heaven, tell me that first time that you had that first visitation to Hell, describe that to me.

Mary K:  My first night was when the Lord appeared to me, alright I was saved and I had the Holy Spirit and I was praying and I was seeking God because my husband worked the night shift and he had come home and went to bed and all the children were in bed and it was my best time to study, I love to study the Bible like waiting on him to come home at night.  And then I would study from midnight till 2:00 I’d be praying, studying and read the Bible because the children were asleep and that was my time.  And that night I was getting ready, I put my Bible up and I was getting ready to go to bed and a brilliancy of light appeared in my bedroom and I began to worship the Lord; high praises come from my soul.  And I looked into the light and out of the light stepped the Lord Jesus Christ.  He was very tall, he had on two piece white garment, he had a beard and a mustache and very trim, very elegant.  He had eyes that was the most beautiful piercing blue that you had ever seen; and my knees went down and my hands went up and I called him King of kings and Lord of lords.  And the feeling Sid that came from Christ, there’s nothing in the world can touch except we go a trip to Heaven, it is the most beautiful, beautiful power of God when the presence of Jesus and the love overwhelms you.  And He spoke to me and He called me by my name and He said, “Kathryn; the Father has spoken you have been chosen by the Lord to go into Hell with me that I may show you the depths, the degrees, the levels and the torments of Hell for the whole world.  And He said, “The day will come when there will be a tape and a book and a movie made out of this and this book shall be in every major language in the world; and He said this is not for a handful of people but it is for the whole world.  And He began to explain to me about my journey, Sid He told me at times I’d think He’d left me but He had not; He told me, “Hell was in the middle of the earth, He told me that for every night for three hours a night He would take me by His power He would actually translate me with Him into the abode of the dead and that He would explain things to me that He wanted me to see, only what He wanted me to know He would show me.”  And He said, “This is very grievous, very sad but He said, that it must be done.”  And He said, “Because the people have lost the fear of God,” He said, “They have lost the fear of God’s judgment and He said with this testimony many will turn back to Me He said and begin to read the Bible and know who I am.  And that’s what He told me.

Sid:  Now, you probably don’t have answer to this but I’ve got to ask it anyway, “Why did He choose you?”

Mary K:  Because He just said so, you know the Lord had spoken and I guess it’s because many people ask “Why didn’t God choose a man?”  And now there’s a man that’s seen Hell; He just said, “Because God had spoken He choose me.”

Sid:  By the way tell me about how you came to the Lord.

Mary K:  Okay, I was a…the first time I got saved I was I think eight years old and then when I was twelve years old, you know how you really the kids go to the altar and they raise their hand and they praise the Lord and they want Jesus in their heart?  Well at eight years old I did that and then when I was twelve a man came to our church and he preached on Hell, he really preached about the power of God and I was twelve years old and I ran to the altar all of us kids did we didn’t want to go to Hell.  And I got born again that day and I was just shaken under the power of the Lord and then when I was nineteen years old I was born again, my experiences has been supernatural with God all my life.  But with this experience Sid it was my child, my first born child and I was in the hospital and she was critically ill; she had been very ill in fact there had been a miracle of miracles happen.  When she was born she was assumed  baby and they had laid her down for dead, my daughter and the doctors and nurses told me that a man came in and he had a white doctors uniform on and black hair but they didn’t know who he was.  And he picked up my child and he gave her mouth to mouth breathing for forty-five minutes and she began to breath and they put her in a incubator.  They told me this later, since then that hospital has been rebuilt and everything.  But anyway it was the third day the said, “If she lived three days her cranial cavity had been crushed and if she lives three days she will be a miracle of God.”  And on the third day I heard music, I heard the most beautiful music and my mother was a praying woman and she had prayed that she heard angels sing for me, she prayed until daylight when they thought my baby would die.  And what happened I saw in my window Sid clouds roll back and a band of angels were standing there singing the plan of salvation to me.  They told me I must repent of my sins, ask Jesus Christ to come in my heart and save my soul and that His blood would wash me clean.  They specifically talked about the blood of Jesus Christ and when I did that with those angels I felt like a waterfall had come up on me, had just washed me and washed me and I knew I was born again, I knew it.  And I begin to shout and pray the Lord and that’s how I was born again.

Sid:  But I have to ask you, a band of angels, about how many of them?

Mary K:  Yes, there were about twenty.

Sid:  And what did they look like to you?

Mary K:  Okay, let me tell you, they were dressed with okay some had long hair, some had short hair okay and they had garments on, they had like lavender, gold colored garments and they were different types, different sizes their garments, some come to the ankles flowing, they had musical instruments one had like a banjo.  One  of the had like a flute, one of them had like they were playing music, one of the them had a guitar shaped like a guitar and they were tall, some of them were shorter and they were standing on the stairway that came from Heaven.  And there was a cloud around these angels and they had golden hair, they had beautiful—one of them had beautiful bright looked like red hair and brown hair, they were just beautiful.  And they begin to just sing to me about Jesus and who Jesus was.  And I’d been to church all my life, all my life since I was a little bitty girl and I had that experience with the Lord.

Sid:  But I’m holding in my hand and we’re going to go into her visitations to Hell and heaven later on in the week but I have a book in my hand called “The Power of the Blood.”  And when I started reading this book a thought crossed my mind, there’s the Mel Gibson movie “The Passion of Christ” and one of the reasons that you wrote this book is you had a vision of Jesus suffering and His crucifixion.  Out of curiosity did you see the movie “The Passion of Christ?”

Mary K:  Yes, a huh.

Sid:  Which was worse your vision or the movie?

Mary K:  The vision was worse than what they showed in “The Passion” because He was beat beyond recognition, He was beat, He was mangled even one…

Sid:  I imaged that if they showed in the movie “The Passion of Christ” what you saw in your vision they probably wouldn’t have been allowed to show that movie.

Mary K:  I know, I know.

Sid:  What impact did that vision have on you?

Mary K:  It had a lot in my life because I realized what He did for me, I really realized that Sid even talking to you what He did for me.  If He had not went to the cross and did what He did for the whole world none of us would be saved, His blood would not have been shed to wash away our sins and it does a lot to you.

Sid:  The book that we’re making available this week “The Power of the Blood” and of course it was written by you with your visions and then from a theological viewpoint T. L. Lowery a very respected Theologian.  Why is there a need to write a book about the power of the blood?

Mary K:  Most people don’t understand what you say about the blood of Jesus and the power and the blood.  The blood washes away your sins; the blood of Jesus will heal your body, even the name of the blood of Jesus.  People need to know that we’re overcomers through the blood of the Lamb and the name of Jesus.

Sid:  You know what I love you talk about not just those areas but you talk about walking in Devine health, you talk about something that we don’t even hear spoken any more, how to plead the blood and how to plead the blood over your circumstances, over fear in your life, bring loved ones to know the Lord.