SID: Hello. Sid here with Marilyn Hickey. And Marilyn, you have a statement that you have been saying for years. This is what she says: “I love Muslims and Muslims love me.” But this is absolutely ridiculous. Tell me, I mean, because, number one, you’re a woman. Number two, your age. Number three, you’re not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus. Number four, you go in miracles. Tell me about when you first went to Pakistan.

MARILYN: The first time I went to Pakistan was 1995, and I was frightened, I thought because everybody told me they’ll shoot me. And the first night, though, I just taught the Bible on one miracle of Jesus, prayed for the sick and had dramatic miracles. It’s his name. And nobody walked out. Nobody shot me.

SID: I can see that.

MARILYN: By the fourth night we had over 20,000 people. First night, 4000, last night, 20,000 people.

SID: You just got back from Pakistan. How many people did you have there?

MARILYN: 210,000.

SID: How do you preach the Gospel to 210,000 mostly Muslims? Now that is ridiculous favor. That’s not just favor. That’s ridiculous favor. I want to know how you have ridiculous favor. Don’t you?

MARILYN: Well I believe the best miracles, that’s the biggest meeting I ever had, I was 80 at that time I had that meeting, and I just turned 81 not too long ago. But what I began many years ago, is I prayed over the nations of the world, and I always had a warm feeling toward Pakistan, and then I had a warm feeling towards Sudan. And some of these Muslim countries, you realize one-fifth of the world’s population is Muslim and how are they to know the Gospel if we don’t go. Now here’s what the love. They love healing miracles because in the Koran it says that Jesus heals. Well you got a bridge.

SID: Have you ever prayed for an imam who had been healed?

MARILYN: Oh yes. I have it on video.

SID: Tell me.

MARILYN: The second time I went to Pakistan, an Imam who was blind in one of his eyes received his sight and came and testified.

SID: You never forget Jesus when you’re blind and you can see.

MARILYN: Right.

SID: Now you can’t say that he was faking it. You can’t even say it was psychosomatic. You can only say, God is real. That’s what people say.

MARILYN: Right, exactly. So each time I would go, I’ve been six times, we would have big meetings in stadiums wherever I could have them, and pray for the sick, because you advertise and say, “Come and be healed.”

SID: But what if no one is healed, Marilyn? You’re in big trouble. That’s the first thing.

MARILYN: You know what? The name of Jesus heals. All healing, all forgiveness of sin has been purchased for us. It’s not my name. It’s his name. That’s why believers can lay hands on the sick and they will recover. This is for everyone.

SID: I want you, you talk about a word that I love, and I don’t hear enough of that. It’s called “expectation”. What is expectation to you?

MARILYN: Expectation is putting your faith in what God says and proclaiming it, and then He manifests it. You believe it, you will see it.

SID: Yeah, but what you say to someone that says, I’ve been doing that for years, and I haven’t seen it. So I just don’t expect anything any more, so I won’t be disappointed. What would you say to that woman?

MARILYN: I would say to that person, you’re giving up too soon. Because people said to me, you can’t do this. You’re a woman. You’re too old to do it. But God thinks you can do anything. Remember that. God thinks you can do anything. But your hand on your heart. Say, I believe.

SID: I believe.

MARILYN: God thinks.

SID: God thinks.

MARILYN: I can do anything.

SID: Anything.

MARILYN: So if God says it.

SID: God says it.

MARILYN: I believe it.

SID: I believe it. And that settles it. Alright. Okay. You ready? Do you believe that there are women watching right now that were where you were, medically can’t have a child, they’re married. That’s the only catch. You have to be married.

MARILYN: Exactly.

SID: They have to be married. They’re married and do you believe if you pray for them right now that no matter reason they can’t have a child, they’ll be able to no matter what?

MARILYN: Yes.

SID: Then do it.

MARILYN: And I want to say something. My anointing and faith in this is growing. People are having twins.

SID: Well go for it.

MARILYN: Go for it. Okay. Put your hand on your body if you’re watching right now. Know that your Father loves you so much, and He promises that the barren will bear. So Father, in the name of Jesus, I send your wonderful word and to every barren woman who has her hand on her body, and your word cannot return void. Your word prospers and accomplishes in that which it’s sent to. So I thank you, that word now is coming into them, that word of faith. I thank you for babies that are healthy, that are not rebellious, that serve God all their lives, and even easy deliveries, in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: You know, Marilyn, as you were praying that, and by the way, I absolutely expect to get so many reports of miracle babies. But I see people with arthritis in their fingers. If you will start bending your fingers right now you’ll see that carpal tunnel, you’re free in Yeshua’s name. And some of that peace that is on Marilyn and myself, I just pray it go right through the video, right through the television right now, and you receive some of that. And when we come back I’m going to find out some more secrets. And I want to really find out how a woman, the first woman in history goes into a mosque, preaches Jesus, the miracles of Jesus and miracles take place. And by the way, that’s not in the Middle East. That’s in the United States. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dennis Clark. And Dennis, you’re traveling, what was it, 13 and a half hours in a car, it’s late at night, you’re tired, you’re ready to go, you’re just a little bit from your hometown. And all of a sudden you see a policeman and police were stopping traffic. Tell me about that.

DENNIS: Thirteen and a half hours in the car, driving, maybe one to four miles from our hotel where we were going to spend the night. This is like 10:00 at night. And all of a sudden, eight lanes of traffic are stopped dead and police are setting up the yellow tape. They’re calling it a crime scene. There had been a shootout on the interstate, and they made it a crime scene. They were looking for shell cases. They wanted to see what was going on. And cars were trying to go up the down ramp, and anything to escape it, because they saw this is going to be a long drawn out affair. And Jennifer and I were in the car and we hold each other accountable. And she said, “We’re going to practice what we preach and we’re just going to get into the presence of God rather than getting up in our head and analyzing the whole situation,” which would have been detrimental. And we felt the peace of God, and I felt in the peace of God a slight leaning, which to me would have made no logical sense. I moved over one car length and then up one car length in traffic. And the beautiful part was that in that little, just that one little step of changing lanes by one car length all of a sudden one policeman came, took the yellow tape back and let out a number of cars, of which must have been around eight or nine. And immediately behind me he closed the tape.

SID: So you were the last car he let in.

DENNIS: I was the last car he let in. And as I’m driving down the highway, I must have been excited, because I looked in my rearview mirror and I was passing, there was only the other eight that got out with me. And I’m thinking, the thought happened then and I kind of dismissed it. I said, I believe there was an angel. I believe that was an angelic helper.

SID: It doesn’t make sense he’d only let nine cars go through.

DENNIS: Right.

SID: I agree with you. I agree that was angelic help. But how long did the other cars have to stay in that line?

DENNIS: This was 10:00 in the evening. And we read the paper in the morning, which actually described that there was a car chase and a shootout, that it was 6:00 in the morning before they opened those lanes. And we got one good night sleep, a matter of fact, slept even better thinking of that. In hindsight, that it had to be an angel of God, because there was no logical reason other than the peace of God making a way where there was no way.

SID: Listen, I would much rather have been in a hotel bed than the other cars who had to stay in their cars all night long. Did you get that? But you know what? This is so simple to live in God’s supernatural peace 24/7, where favor just overtakes you. He teaches this to children. Tell me about the girl that was afraid to go to sleep, the young girl at night.

DENNIS: A little four-year-old having trouble going to sleep at night. She was just afraid of everything. And it was a real struggle for the parents. And we just prayed with her. It’s very interesting. We just told her that, Jesus lives in you. And she would put her hands here like this and smile, and she just had a real relationship that that was reality for her. And when we explained to her, that when you go to sleep he is with you, and then she began to start proclaiming that to everybody else, they’d say, you’re going to go to sleep. And she’d go, um-hmm. And she got militant. She’d go, “Um-hmm. Jesus is with me going to sleep with me, and he’s not afraid of nothing and neither am I.”

SID: So he says, yeah, you can applaud that. So if I’m understanding you right, this supernatural peace has a force, a power connected with it.

DENNIS: Absolutely. It’s the power of peace.

SID: What about illness? What about people with terminal illnesses?

DENNIS: Same thing. We’ve taught people that sometimes, even in a terminal illness, that the torment that they’re living with and the fear that they’re living with is, to them, worse than the illness. And if we can get them to deal with that it even the peace then sends a message to the rest of the body that facilitates the kind of healing. All of the physical healings we’ve seen happened as a result of first coming to the place of peace, or what we would say is internal peace is the rule of Christ. And that sends a powerful message to the rest of the physical body.

SID: Tell me about the woman with arthritis.

DENNIS: The woman with arthritis, she was very, very sick. They didn’t even know if she was going to live. And she was bitter. She needed to hear the message of forgiveness more than anything. She had unforgiveness toward her mother. And she was elderly but that bitterness was still very intact, very all pervasive. And she had arthritic hands. She forgave her mother from the heart, and her hands, the arthritis left immediately. Right before your very eyes the hands straightened out after she forgave her mother. Who would have connected the two?

SID: When you see a miracle happen, the spirit of God has been telling me that the bones from the neck all the way across all of your arms and your fingers, if you have pain of any kind, your back, especially in the neck now, anywhere, any of the bones, in those areas are being healed, all pain. Dennis, can you feel what I feel? I feel it. I literally feel it leave people. It’s leaving them. I’m going to have Dennis instruct you on how to walk in this supernatural peace when we come back. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. John Benefiel. I am overwhelmed with the spiritual clout, and that’s what it is. When someone reads this divorce decree from anything known and unknown with this false god, Baal, it just opens up the heavens for an individual. Tell me some of the things that are going on. For instance, tell me of this baby who was born with their organs outside of the body. Sounds horrific.

JOHN: Yes. And then so they called us for prayer. At that time, we didn’t have the Baal divorce decree, but we knew we were dealing with Baal. The doctor said to the parents, “You need to abort this baby. It cannot survive outside the womb.” After that prayer, miraculously they did another X-ray, another ultrasound, and all the organs were back inside of the baby.

SID: That’s our God.

JOHN: Baal is the one that always goes after the next generation. Baal tries to cut off the next generation, and so he’s the one behind abortion.

SID: Tell me about the blind person.

JOHN: Well a girl in our church, when she was little, she had an operation, and the surgeon made a mistake and severed her optic nerve. So she couldn’t see. I mean, totally blind.

SID: That’s history. There’s nothing they can do.

JOHN: There’s nothing you can do about that at all. So now she’s in college. She comes to us. She learns about the Baal divorce decree. We see Baal in her life. I lay hands on her and God heals her that night. And she woke up in the middle of the night seeing. She thought it was a dream. She went to the doctor, and the doctor verified, “Yes, I don’t know how this happened, but you’ve got an intact optic nerve, and you see just fine.” And she drives and everything.

SID: How about areas like finances.

JOHN: Finances. Well we’ve seen it on an individual level, Sid, and we’ve seen it on a statewide level, and across the country, too. A couple in our church, after learning of the Baal divorce decree, they declared that in their home and in their business, and assistance is also part of my teaching. And what happened was they were faced with $19 million in debt, and miraculously it was wiped out. They don’t owe it any more.

SID: Did you say $19 million?

JOHN: $19 million.

SID: Have I got a White House for you to go to in Washington, D.C.

JOHN: Well you know, in our state, we have no budget deficit and we’ve had no increase in taxes. The governor and the attorney general are personal friends of mine, and they’re both spirit-filled Christians.

SID: So you have a number of believers praying this divorce decree in Oklahoma City. And tell me what the results are.

JOHN: Well for one thing, when we started dealing with that, since Oklahoma City is the capitol of Oklahoma, we saw our state legislature make a shift that had never happened since we became a state in 1907. Born again Christians were elected to take over the House of Representatives. And then we divorced Baal in the Senate. That next year, the Senate was taken over. And now all of the statewide elected executive branch offices are all born again Christians, and love the Lord.

SID: What’s going on with in the financial area of Oklahoma?

JOHN: Well in the financial area, you know, when the recession started, Forbes Magazine came out with a big article that rated Oklahoma City the most recession-proof city in the nation. And they’ve been exactly right, because we’ve had the lowest unemployment rate of any city over a million population every month, virtually every month, for the last four years.

SID: It’s even affecting your sports teams. I’ve been watching your basketball team.

JOHN: That’s the Oklahoma City Sooners, and there’s some wonderful Christians on the team.

SID: Alright. How would you like John to lead you in a prayer so that you can divorce Baal. Let’s see that right now.

JOHN: Alright.

SID: I’ll repeat it after you, and you repeat it right after him.

JOHN: I just want to say that we’re turning from our wicked ways in this decree. And so if you’ll just say after me: Dear Lord Jesus.

SID: Dear Lord Jesus.

JOHN: I turn.

SID: I turn.

JOHN: From wicked ways.

SID: From wicked ways.

JOHN: I want to follow you Jesus

SID: I want to follow you Jesus.

JOHN: I ask you to grant me.

SID: I ask you to grant me.

JOHN: A divorce.

SID: A divorce.

JOHN: From the principality of Baal.

SID: From the principality of Baal.

JOHN: The ruler of the demons.

SID: The ruler of the demons.

JOHN: I want nothing to do.

SID: I want nothing to do.

JOHN: With this evil principality.

SID: With this evil principality.

JOHN: I want you and you alone, Lord Jesus.

SID: I want you and you alone, Lord Jesus.

JOHN: So I declare.

SID: So I declare.

JOHN: That I am divorced from Baal.

SID: That I am divorced from Baal.

John : And married to the Lord Jesus Christ.

SID: And married to the Lord Jesus Christ.

JOHN: Now and always.

SID: Now and always.

JOHN: Amen.

SID: Amen. That is supernatural. But now a lot of people, because of the financial crisis in the United States of America, and for that matter, for the world, because of the morality, can the same thing happen in America that’s happened in Oklahoma City?

JOHN: Oh absolutely. I absolutely believe that. Chuck Pierce prophesied to me a few years ago, when we first started getting the Baal divorce decree, he said you got to do this in all 50 states. So I said, okay. So God opened the door for me to go to all 50 states, which I’ve gone to now. And I’ve led out prayer network, because I have a leader in the network in all 50 states and 40 nations. I’ve led them to understand through my teaching what they’re dealing with and to on purpose divorce Baal. And so we’re seeing things change in our nation. I believe we’re seeing things change in the elections. I believe we’re seeing things change in the economy. As we divorce ourselves from the principality that’s the ruler of the demons and we freely, because remember, God said, “If my people are called by name who do these things,” he didn’t say everybody. That if they’ll turn from their wicked ways then I’ll hear from Heaven and I will forgive their sin and I will heal their land. And Sid, God is healing America. I am so hopeful and so excited about the future of America.

SID: I like hearing that. I like this. Now tell me very briefly what this other legal assistance is.

JOHN: Legal assistance.

SID: Yes. What is this?

JOHN: Well it’s just like this court of law. If you get a favorable judgment from a judge, which we just got in the Baal divorce decree, because God granted this divorce.

SID: I like it.

JOHN: It’s wonderful. But then you know, just because you get a favorable judgment does not necessarily mean you’re going to collect on it. So sometimes you have to have law enforcement officials enforce the favorable judgment, and that’s what the writ of assistance is. Because the angels are charged with the job of going and binding the strongman and plundering his house, and bringing us the spoils. And that’s what the writ of assistance does, it’s a legal document that says angels, we’re not praying to angels. But it says, we release the angels to go and bind the strongman, plunder his house and bring us the spoils. That’s wealth transfer.

SID: You know, these legal contracts, the devil operates on law. If you give him an inch, he’ll take it. But we want to take back all the ground that our Messiah earned for us already.

JOHN: Yes.

SID: But the most important legal agreement is to understand that our Messiah, the Messiah of the world, Jesus, came as a man. God became man and lived among us, but lived a perfect life as a man, and died in our place so that we no longer are separated from God, and that He will live inside of us. And guess what? If you know God before you die, you will know Him after you die. With your mouth say, Jesus, forgive me of my sins. I make you my Lord. Live inside of me. Teach me your ways of the Bible.

SID: Hello. Sid here with John Benefiel. And Dr. John, I am overwhelmed with the information. I just hope we can get all of it out. But we are literally worshiping Baal, this false god through a lot of things that are done in ignorance. For instance, tell me something about our U.S. dollar.

JOHN: Well on the back of the U.S. dollar, if you look at it you see the seal of United States. Part of it on the back of the dollar is the pyramid, and at the top of the pyramid is the all-seeing eye. It’s a truncated pyramid, and at the top there’s this all-seeing eye, which is the eye of Lucifer. Just as the Statue of Liberty, and I’m not making this up, the History Channel gave an hour special on this a couple of years ago, exposing that the Statue of Liberty is actually a statue of Lucifer. The originators of that statue were three French freemasons that admitted this is Lucifer, but they said it’s not really Satan. This means the light bearer. So the eye of Lucifer is on the back of our dollar bill, and that’s under freemasonry, even though most freemasons don’t understand this. You know, most Masons, most Mormons, most folks don’t understand that they’ve been duped. They don’t go into those organizations wanting to be duped. But that’s what the enemy does. He deceives us because he appears as an angel of light.

SID: Now speaking of masons, one of the leaders of the U.S. was a man by the name of Albert Pike. Tell me about him.

JOHN: Albert Pike was a confederate general who was convicted of treason, yet he, there is a statue of him in D.C., and he wrote morals and dogma of freemasonry, which is the bible for freemasons. Most freemasons don’t even realize this because the higher you go, the more you find out. And what he wrote and what’s revealed in the 33^rd degree of freemasonry is that Lucifer is god, Lucifer is the good god and our God, Adonai is the evil god.

SID: They have it all backwards.

JOHN: As perverted as you can get. But you would expect that from the enemy, wouldn’t you?

SID: Now I find this hard to believe, but the Ku Klux Klan was started by the same Albert Pike.

JOHN: Albert Pike started the Ku Klux Klan in the United States. And his friend in Italy, Mezini, at the same time, they were both masons, he started the mafia at the same time. They’re all connected. Remember, there’s only two kingdoms. There’s the Kingdom of God and there’s the kingdom of darkness. And if Baal is the ruler of the demons, then it’s all out of his orchestration. When I say his, there’s as much female as there is male, because the Queen of Heaven is the part that’s the female part of the Baal principality.

SID: What about Mormonism?  How does this fit in?

JOHN: Same way. Mormonism stems from masonry. And if you look at the two worship systems in their rituals and all of that, you find them to be almost identical to each other.

SID: District of Columbia, I was born there, and I’m shocked by what you told me.

JOHN: Well when we named it the District of Columbia, we said this is the district belonging to Columbia, okay. But we didn’t know who Columbia was. Well Columbia is the Queen of Heaven, and the statue on top of our nation’s capitol is called Statue of Freedom. But when you find it out, you find out it’s the statue of Columbia. So that idol, and it is an idol, it’s an idol that’s free to worship, that thing is given authority over our nation. That’s the Queen of Heaven. That’s the female part of the Baal principality. And then what you have at the other end of the mall is the Washington Monument, which is an obelisk, which is a freemasonry symbol, which they erected, and that thing is a male phallic symbol, which is also part of the Baal worship system. So from one end of our mall to the other you’ve got Baal.

SID: Now we had a hurricane in which the Washington Monument was cracked, and something to do with masons was affected. Explain that.

JOHN: Well there was an earthquake and a hurricane, too, both about the same time. But July the 4^th of last year, 2011, we led people, a team of people to the Lincoln Memorial to issue this Baal divorce decree. We did it there, and what happened was 50 days later, this earthquake, which D.C. hardly ever has happen there, it shook the Washington Monument and cracked it so that even today that obelisk, that evil symbol, can’t be, it’s having to be repaired. Also at the house of the temple, which is 13 blocks north of the White House, where freemasonry performs the 33^rd degree, where they’re told that Lucifer is God, what I’ve been told and somebody sent me a picture is that altar there has been cracked also in that earthquake that cracked the Washington Monument. In the National Cathedral—

SID: You guys think that was just a coincidence? I don’t. Do you think that was a coincidence?

JOHN: No, not all. God continues to amaze us all the time. We just did what God said to do, and then He follows up with this great act. And so, also, the National Cathedral, which is not Christian, which is the highest point in D.C., and by the way we renamed the District of Columbia to the District of Christ, because it belongs to our God. Those spires two of the four highest points in D.C., cracked and fell off during that same earthquake.

SID: Another coincidence. I’m going to tell you something. We’re surrounded with this. Wait until you hear the next segment. We’re surrounded with Baal, the Baal worship, known and unknown. What if there was a biblical legal way of divorcing yourself from all of the vestiges, all of the roots of Baal? Can you see how your prayers would be exactly like Jesus praying? We’re going to come back and find out how.

Sid:  I have a question for my guest Dennis Clark. You see Dennis was taught by God. He literally, God said to him “Dennis I’m giving you My undivided attention.” He was taught how he can literally connect with God 24-7; walk in supernatural peace 24-7. I mean that’s the norm, that’s not the exception. How to operate in discernment that is to know not what people are saying, of course he knows what people are saying, but what’s going on inside of those people. What an asset it is to be able to operate in supernatural discernment. How to have the promises of God naturally operate in your life; how to hear God. The thing that is so amazing is once people are healed are of their deepest hurts then every promise of God is activated in their life. Dennis in your experience, especially based on what God has taught you, and here’s the amazing thing, thousands of people have taken this teaching. It absolutely works in their life. As a matter of fact, some very well know leaders, whose names we can’t even mention publicly you would be shocked over have taken this course and its revolutionized their life. It’s not taught in most churches. So Dennis what is blocking the promises of God operating in our lives?

Dennis: Well we know of course that without faith it’s impossible to please God. It’s through faith and patience that we inherit the promises. That’s the fruit of the Spirit. The primary though is the love of God, the love is the nature of God. I learned everything in discernment by nature. I feel it and I identify its nature, and its name and its nature matches. So the promises that people have had, whether it was through prophetic words, or in their devotions, the love of God faith works by the love of God. There is an opposite that is we can think lofty thoughts and it not be the love of God, but from the heart to know the difference is the flow of love is an awareness of His nature on the inside. When there’s an absence of that nature any little absence that’s not that presence, that peace, the love, the joy…

Sid: When you say absence you mean the opposite? Love, joy, peace… the fruits of the Spirit.

Dennis: Right, right, and I think the challenge…

Sid: But the truth of the matter is… you know you’re human you’re in an imperfect world with imperfect people, and an imperfect devil. What do you expect to be able to walk in this kind of love 24-7?

Dennis:  Yes. I believe that’s why God gave us forgiveness. That’s the love message where the rubber meets the road. He gave us a way to reconnect in an imperfect world. He’s on the inside of us doing the forgiveness to re-establish peace with God, peace with man, peace with ourselves, and peace with our circumstances even. To stay there is addictive, it’s addictive in a healthy way because you get drawn to it. It gets to the point where anything negative that interrupts your peace is really not worth it. It’s something coming between you and God.

Sid: But you know you can teach this and someone can shake their head yes, but we’re such creatures of habit, how do we get to do this 24-7 without falling in failure, and repenting so often?

Dennis: Well it’s amazing what a slight moment of victory can do on the inside. The counterfeit to the love of God is lust.

Sid: I’m not sure I understand, what do you mean that’s the counterfeit?

Dennis:  The counterfeit, it’s the thing that people even in their spirit confuse. They confuse lust with love.

Sid: Can you give me an example?

Dennis:  Yeah there’s a… let’s start with my lusts. When I see a donut store, and all of my senses are being given power to that donut store, I start thinking “I could probably eat a dozen of those donuts.” While I’m focused on that there is the key in the gut will be mild anxiety. Anxiety means I’m coming out of prayer. Prayer for me is to be in His presence and have peace. So losing my peace is an indication that I’m moving away or being drawn away from Him within.

Sid: So lust you might define also as “I want it now.”

Dennis: Yes.

Sid: “Right this minute I want that donut.”

Dennis: That’s right I want it and I want it now. I want what I want, and I want it now.

Sid: I may get into trouble right now, but many approaches for money for good Christian causes, it seems to me the appeal is lust and not love. Am I wrong?

Dennis: No I’ve taught this even in our course, when you listen to anything, no matter how sincere the words are, learn to have… implement your own equipment. That is dual listening, listen to what their words are saying, but feel whether the nature of Messiah is on those words. In other words, we have equipment and were responsible to develop it.

Sid: So it doesn’t matter what someone says on TV if you have this what you call dual listening. What a difference this makes in someone’s life.

Dennis: Absolutely. Businessmen could use this with contracts. A deal could come on your table that looks too good to be true, but if you have an unsettledness…

Sid: Usually they say “It’s too good to be true.” But the truth of the matter is, most Christians look to their pastor, their mentor to hear from God. That’s not the way God created us…

Dennis:  No.

Sid:  That’s not the way God wired us. Why are we are so dependent on others rather than God?

Dennis:  Because we fail to locate the equipment and develop it properly. We basically, it’s easier to get it from somebody else than to develop our equipment. That’s my soapbox really is, I believe everyone has an anointing that abides within, but they need to have their senses exercised so that they can discern good and evil. They need to operate and practice, practice, practice. Practicing the presence for Brother Lawrence was still practice.

Sid:  But you know what? When I read his book I still could not get a handle on how to do what he said. I wanted what he said, practicing the presence of God, but I couldn’t get a handle. Your book and your course is really a how to step by step, and it’s so simple.

Dennis:  When Jennifer told me “I don’t care what people told you they said ‘We don’t understand this how you do this.’” She says “Teach me,” and she forced me to teach her step by step how I related with God, stuff that I never even said out loud I started saying out loud to her. Then I bore witness with her spirit when she was doing it right by discernment, said “There now you’re doing it right. No you’ve got anxiety going on now.” By the hit and miss she learned quickly, she was learning how to use the spiritual equipment that was in her.

Sid:  What about the person that’s listening right now. They just lost their job, they don’t have the money to pay their mortgage, their grace is over they’re about to lose their house, their family is in turmoil. How can someone like that be activated in peace? I mean they can’t be an ostrich.

Dennis: Nope, nope, but they have… 

Sid:  If they took your course what could they do?

Dennis:  What they could do is eliminate the torment in the midst of a bad situation. That potential is for every believer. You have that capacity, that in the midst of the worst circumstances that he can give you at least the peace that He’s in charge, He’s ruling, and even before you have an answer the torment goes.

Sid:  But even better than that… from what I’m understanding in this course when the love of God is released it changes the circumstances in the situation. That is so amazing to me.

Dennis:  Yes.

Sid:  As a matter of fact, when you can walk like that you don’t even have to pray to be physically healed; you’ll just be instantly healed. What are you seeing in marriages when people follow what the Lord taught you?

Dennis:  They’re learning to put God first and in the relationship it’s like the husband and the wife are finding that they’re both using their spiritual equipment in the problem solving. They’re using the Bible, of course, as their standard, but they’re using in the gut a green light from the husband, and a green light from the wife. You start seeing marriages that are getting put back together again.

Sid:  I see people that have marriage counselors, and they use and by the way there is some good things in psychology, the use a psychological techniques people have studies the mind and the brain.  But what is the difference between those that have good Biblical psychological counseling and those that take your course, what would the difference be?

Dennis:  Oh, the absolute difference is I’ve seen people that will receive some of the best advice in the world but they left depressed, they felt like they got good information of what their problem was, but they went out with their problem and they felt worse than when they came in.  This approach is basically a relationship with God that must end with the fruit of the Spirit or I don’t believe you received ministry.

Sid:  When you say end with the fruit of the Spirit explain what you mean.

Dennis:  By ending with the fruit of the Spirit I mean is any problem that you are able to present to Him He leaves with a sense of peace and eternal resolution.  Internal conflict is gone, chaos.

Sid:  Can you imagine what would happen with husbands and wives with children with employers and employees if they only operated in the basic equipment?  Every ones supposed to but very few Christians operate in this.