Sid: The truth of the matter is although we are all equal in the Messiah we don’t all start on a level track. Many of us have been so tampered with even generationally that it takes us a long time to be able to be so free we can do exactly what the bible says. And I have two women that are responsible for a course it’s called Sozo. It’s located in Redding, California and it’s part of the Bethel Church Ministry. Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher and their hearts desire is for believers to be free. And both of them know what it is to be in bondage; many people haven’t been in the bondage that perhaps Teresa was in. Teresa just briefly tell me your background.
Teresa: I had the childhood that was from the time of being very young up until the early 20’s of having inappropriate things done by all kinds of people and I blocked it out until I was around 40. And then…
Sid: You know that amazes me; we were talking before we went on the air Teresa of how the mind protects us.
Teresa: Yes, the mind does very interesting things to protect who we are as people and help us also to survive and function. And it’s a… yeah it’s very interesting how the body, soul and mind work. And the next 10 years was a wonderful healing process and watching the Lord do interesting things; that was fun too; hard but fun.
Sid: And how did you hooked up with Dawna in this Sozo Ministry?
Teresa: Well Dawna and one of her friends in ’97 started doing Sozo using the tools that we teach in ministering to people and they saw wonderful freedom. And leadership saw what was going on and invited them to start a ministry and I was invited to sit in on a couple of sessions with Dawna when she was ministering to a teenager. And I just got hooked and they asked me to come and be a part of it and I started doing sessions. And I invited to help teach and schedule people and it just kept growing and growing and growing.
Sid: Teresa I hear a passion in your voice and I’m right I mean you have a passion, explain what that passion is.
Teresa: Well, I have a passion for Sozo because Sozo is such a wonderful ministry for helping people not only get tools to get them free, but these tools can be used to help other people get free in no matter what circumstance there in or what the calling or anointing they have. And I do get passionate and just love explaining this and helping people and teach this so that people can have an opportunity to not only get free but to help other people get free.
Sid: Now Dawna I’m going to ask you a few questions. You also have a passion and your passion is to see people fulfill their destiny even know what their destiny is. And many people are in such a prison even after becoming believers in the Messiah that they don’t catch their destiny or they’re not whole enough to walk in that destiny. Tell me one person that got free to walk in their destiny.
Dawna: We had a gentleman in Mexico we were ministering in an orphanage and he sat down with us and he said “You know I’m afraid of these children, I’m afraid of what I may do to these children.” And he said “When he was 18 years old and he said about four or five years prior a gentleman came in and prayed this spirit of perversion off of him and he felt it leave, but he was still afraid that he might harm the children. When I go to touch the children I hear “What do you want from them; what are you going to do?” And as we went into his background we found out that he had been molested as a child and he began to molest the children in the neighborhood. And so he came in with this real sense of shame as a Christian and we took him back to a memory is one of the tools of when he began to molest children. And we said “Jesus, where are You what’s the lie?” that he believes and he heard that “I’m evil.” And we said “Jesus, what’s the truth.” And then he said “But I am.” And he starts arguing, and arguing and I said “No, no, no what did Jesus say? That I’m not evil.” And he just started sobbing and he had a real pastor’s anointing and a pastor’s gift and the enemy wanted to make sure that this guy would not bend his arms and bring in the children and he’s free.
Sid: Now one of the things that you point out in your course is that the area that the devil has wounded in us the most is the area that is part of our destiny and it’s sort of like he tries to nip it in the bud so we can’t even move into our destiny.
Dawna: Amen, exactly right. We find a lot of times if you look at the attack against a person 90% of the time you can find their gifting, yeah.
Sid: Now I find your background is kind of interesting, your husband gets a nice job working in finances at a nice church called Bethel Church but they’re a little loud for you. And then a new pastor comes in Bill Johnson and he’s just bringing the Holy Spirit in and for years you’re in this church you’re a real quiet type of person and personality this isn’t you at all. But and everyone is flopping all over the floor and having encounters with the Holy Spirit and feeling all of these wonderful feelings and what’s going on with you Dawna?
Dawna: I was probably… there was two of us another pastor and I that were on the lines we had prayer lines at the time and they would come through and pray and everyone would fall, pray fall, pray fall. And this pastor and I would be the two left standing on this whole line and we look around we’d wink at each other like “Okay here we are but I so desperately wanted to fall under the power of God.”
Sid: Well, what’s changed that?
Dawna: Well, first of all I had to choose to let go of a religious spirit which was very much a part of who I was. I had to realize that this was real; that when people fell they got up changed; and I watched their lives. I sat there and watched them and then I had to start thanking the Lord for their freedom even though I wasn’t changing. That was the big breakthrough for me.
Sid: You know that reminds me of a Jewish man that I interviewed from Israel; he wasn’t a believer, he watched the 700 Club secretly he was paralyzed from the waist down. And one day one of the hosts of the 700 Club had a word of knowledge someone paralyzed from the waist down is being healed. He realized it wasn’t him because there wasn’t nothing going on so he started praying for the person that was being healed. The next morning he wakes up and he’s totally healed.
Dawna: Thank You Jesus, Amen that is awesome. If we get our minds off of us and onto God and begin to thank Him for what He’s done it breaks all of the fears, it breaks all of the religious spirit and it just begins the process of healing.
Sid: You know I’ve been going through your teaching on Sozo we have 4 CD’s that you used to teach people that want to receive it for themselves, and also be able to minister to other people. It’s really so simple, it’s really not complex when you think of deliverance you think of people vomiting and getting you know and speaking with funny voices and you know all of these things which I’ve seen and you have seen. But that’s not the way you handle it is it?
Dawna: No, we want to make sure that we are honoring to the person in the room with us and we are not looking for your sin; we are not looking for the demonic in you we’re looking for the wounds and the lies that allow the demonic to stay. And when we go into those places like with this young man from Mexico and we break the lie the demonic cannot stay and he cannot rule us anymore. Very gentle, very kind.
Sid: It’s almost like once this hold is broken he can’t even stay.
Dawna: They cannot; we call that closing the doors.
Sid: Going back to your background so you… once you started thanking God for what He was doing for other people even though He wasn’t doing it for you you got touched by the Holy Spirit. Was there a specific moment?
Dawna: There was a specific moment when one of the pastors actually the pastor who helped in Teresa’s healing Allen Rae, said “Dawna get up and give a testimony.” And I have no testimony I have been standing on this line for 2 years and I was just like “Oh no” and he shoves me up front and these ladies are testifying about God and how good he is and their falling and laughing. And he hands me the mic and I’m like “Well, I’m probably like the older brother who has always felt abandoned, like I’m here and don’t you care Lord and look at all of this weird stuff going on” and I said but I want that and I pointed to the girl that was just laughing hysterically on the floor and I felt a change, it was the first feeling of the Holy Spirit.
Sid: Why do you suppose you were that way; there are a lot of people like you that they never slain in the Spirit, everyone else is feeling things and they don’t feel anything. What is the reason for that?
Dawna: Well one of the issues that I had growing up was some real mommy wounds and we will probably talk about that later but how the mommy wounds affect my view of the Holy Spirit. And I started out with the Lord and I said “I’m going to start praising the Godhead a certain way and I said Father God I thank You that You’re the creator of the Heavens and the Earth and I thank You Jesus that You died for my sins and I thank You Holy Spirit for whatever it is You do.” So I had no grid for the Holy Spirit.
Sid: You know Mishpochah I find this is so sensible their teaching and really so simple. They have certain key questions that you ask yourself and certain key areas and they actually taught their course and most of you can’t go out to Reading, California….
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth