Sid: My guest Erick Stakelbeck is talking about his brand new book and the 2 update CD’s that we’ve just done. The book is called “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy.” Erick has a passion for end time Bible prophecy and he really got a direct commission from God when he was in Israel. As close to an audible voice as he has ever heard in his life he was told “Help My people,” that’s the Jewish people. I believe by your new book Erick you’re going to informing Christians throughout this world of who this Muslim Brotherhood really is. I have to ask you a question though, I have heard and I have witnessed this that many of our universities they have gigantic beautiful buildings schools of Islam, the professor… that’s all paid for by Islam. The professors all their salaries are paid for. Why would universities be so top heavy with Islam?

Erick: Sid I’m sitting right now in Washington DC. just a few miles from one of the universities you’re talking about, Georgetown University one of our preeminent educational institutions in this country…

Sid: Why would a Catholic university have a school of Islam (laughing) a gigantic school school of Islam.

Erick: Money talks. The Saudi’s Sid, the Saudi government or private donors from Saudi Arabia donated 20 million dollars. A Saudi prince named Al Waleed bin Talal donated 20 million dollars to Georgetown to have an Islamic center of learning built where Islamic studies are taught. So 20 million dollars to Georgetown, 20 million Saudi dollars at Harvard, probably one of our most famous educational institutions they are literally Sid buying influence in this country on college campuses. In my book I talk about what’s going on campuses with radical Islamist. One group in particular the Muslim’s Student Association they are the largest Muslim group in North America on college campuses. They’re in hundreds and hundreds of college campuses across the U.S. across Canada. This is a Muslim Brotherhood front group, and it’s not just me saying it Sid the Muslim Brotherhood’s own documents identify this Muslim Student’s Association as a Muslim Brotherhood organization. Yet, this is the most influential student group among Muslims on our college campuses, and they are the leaders many times of this vicious anti-Semitism we see at our universities.

Sid: You know what I find interesting, I believe this next outpouring of God’s Spirit it’s going to directly affect young people, college students. It’s almost as if the devil is putting in his biggest forces against these college students with the Muslim agenda.

Erick: Yeah. The forces of evil want to get them while they’re young Sid. You know the Marxist, the communist, they used to say “We might not get you, but we’ll get your children” and the Islamist see it the same way. The enemy as you said “The devil works through these radical evil forces to get the youth first.”

Sid: Let me take back to these secret documents that you actually spell out in your new book. How were they so foolish to let these documents to be stolen that have their entire strategy from A-Z?

Erick: You know Sid this is real James Bond type stuff. Now listen to this a leading Muslim Brotherhood operative living just outside of Washington D.C. was captured filming the Bay Bridge in Maryland. It’s a large long structure in Maryland that a lot of traffic goes over each and every day.

Sid: I remember seeing that on the news, but go ahead.

Erick: Yeah this Muslim Brotherhood operative was captured filming it. Hmm, I guess it was just for the scenery right? So the FBI raided his home outside of Washington D.C. and what they found Sid was beneath his basement a secret sub-basement which contained some 80 boxes of Muslim Brotherhood documents written in Arabic. So the FBI got a hold of these documents, they translated them and in these documents they outline the Brotherhood’s plan for America. In their own words Sid it is “To destroy western civilization America from within.” So we have in our possession that our government has in its possession the Muslim Brotherhood official blueprint for America. Instead of crushing this group, defeating this group which is inherently anti-American we are empowering them and embracing them Sid at every…

Sid: Explain this to me, here we have these secret documents; here we know their strategy; here we know who they are. Why is it in our government in the highest echelons we have Muslims?

Erick: I think it’s two-fold Sid, number 1 there’s one part of our government which says “Hey the Muslim Brotherhood they don’t really mean what they say; how could they look at them these guys wear suits and ties, they’re eloquent, they’re western educated; these are good guys we can trust them.” Others in our government kind of share the Brotherhood goal of seeing a different kind of America. They are not fans of Judeo-Christian western civilization. Now the left doesn’t want Sharia law, but they don’t want Judeo-Christian Biblically based kind of principles in this country either. Strange bedfellows we’ve seen them work together. So these Islamist have been able to con themselves into advising our government Sid. In the book I name names how Muslim Brotherhood linked individuals are actually advising our Department of Homeland Security, our FBI…

Sid: (Laughing) Oh no!

Erick: Yes on its counter terrorism policies it is the fox guarding the hen house. We’re in big trouble.

Sid: Alright our time is slipping away, but on this secret strategy explain what their strategy is of starting a Muslim state within a state in the United States.

Erick: Their working it to perfection in Europe. Look at Europe Sid as kind of the test lab for what the Muslim Brotherhood wants to do in America. Now this state within a state that you mentioned, an enclave, an Islamic enclave it starts with the mosque that is a key point that the Muslim Brotherhood makes in all of their strategy documents. “We need to build large Islamic centers,” as they call them “from coast to coast.”

Sid: I remember where 9/11 happened the big controversy they were going to bring…  you know just build a neighborhood center for the youth like a YMCA. Why the big uproar? I remember all the news commentators defending them.

Erick: The Ground Zero Mosque which by the way President Obama came out and supported. So they want to duplicate those Ground Zero mosques Sid in every corner of the country including the Heartland in the Bible Belt. They’re succeeding I describe it in the book. Once the mosque is built then the enclave can begin all of the property, all of the homes around the Islamic center get bought by the Muslim Brotherhood, by their allies. In their documents they call the mosques they compare it to a beehive, the center of their activity. Now we see this in Europe they’re doing it to perfection. I’ve walked the streets of these enclaves Sid in Europe. Places like London, Germany, Paris I describe it in the book how these Muslim areas are no go zones for even the police are afraid to go there. You have many little states within a state controlled by Islamic law operated in places like Great Britain, in east London.

Sid: Why would the police be afraid to go there

Erick: Because they know they will be attacked they are not welcome. These enclaves, the folks who live in these Islamic enclaves make it abundantly clear to the police they not welcome.

Sid: So… and this is the strategy for America?

Erick: It is a strategy for America and we’re seeing drips and drabs of it. We’ve seen a number of mosques in America double since the year 2000 alone Sid. We see a place like Dearborn, Michigan which has the largest Arab Muslim population in America. We had an incident there Sid in 2012 where a group of Christian evangelists was at an Arab festival in Dearborn, Michigan just outside of Detroit. They were preaching the gospel to Muslims, Sid they were literally stoned. The Muslims there surrounded them, dozens, and threw large stones at these Christian evangelists. This is outside of Detroit, Michigan this in the United States of America. Evangelists stoned this is Dearborn, Michigan it’s a place to watch, a Hezbollah hot bed I might add.

Sid: I believe that every Christian should have read Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler to find out what Hitler was up to before he did what he said he would do. I believe that every Christian must read your book on the Muslim Brotherhood which outlines exactly what they are going to do before they do it so we can pray against this.

Sid: My guest Julie True, we just finished a special session of Julie’s music because I found out the secret to being irresistible to God is to be a worshiper of God 24-7.  So Julie we did something different when you recorded this is our studio.  We had the audience lay on the floor on their back worshiping God and soaking in the amazing presence of God that comes from your worship.  Now tell me what the instrumentation was for this special DVD, CD we did.

Julie:   Well, we brought our regular soaking worship team from Tennessee up and we had Tom Schnoz who is amazing Cello player and he plays many many instruments but harp and flute and guitar. And Linda Burnsdorf our violinist and Aaron Smith our Keyboard player.  And He plays what we call pad sounds that help just create an atmosphere and make things feel sound smooth and comfortable instead of like abrupt changes between changes between songs.  And we just got before the Lord and in His presence and sang and opened up the Heavens.

Sid: Now most of the music you do is called spontaneous songs; what exact is that?

Julie:  Well, my definition is that it’s a song that has no…you’ve never heard it before. The person singing it has never heard it before it’s just a song that comes up in your heart and you sing it and you play it in that moment.  And you have your eyes fixed on Jesus, you’re heart is set on Him and you’re just singing from that place.  And it’s really fresh, it’s like I what I would call a now word; it’s a now word; it’s not something that’s been written in another time; and those have there place as well but it’s just just really fresh.

Sid: You know I believe that when you do do your spontaneous songs not only is the music from Heaven but the words are from Heaven and you are prophesying to the deepest needs in a human. That’s why I get so many reports of people that have insomnia that are able to sleep; children you know they don’t scream and they sleep. People with high blood pressure it comes down and so many other miracles.  Tell me about that woman that took your music to her father who was literally dying in the hospital and what happened.

Julie:   That was amazing Mary her father was 91 years old he was really going down hill and couldn’t swallow; his heart rate was very low.  And they basically prepared her for the fact that he was not going to live.  She took my music into the hospital and all of a sudden…they had him on checking his vitals and everything constantly; hooked up to a heart monitor.  They weren’t even giving him any medication or food because they thought that it was his time to go.  And anyway the next morning she get a call, Mary gets a call and he is sitting up; her father is sitting up in the nurse station eating pudding and smiling and talking with everyone.  And over 2 years he had not been able to talk and make sense.  So I mean it as an amazing…

Sid: Do other people play your music for people with say Alzheimer’s or things like that?

Julie:    Yes, there’s lots and lots of people who have had mental illnesses or you know developmental delays and autistic kind of situations.  And sadness and hearts that are just you know broken hearts and that sort of thing. I get lots of reports from those kind of people.

Sid: And your son; he has – his name is Benjamin I love that name; he has autism but you’ve had major breakthroughs.  In fact you just had one; tell me about that with your son.

Julie: Well, yes and we have never called it by name a disease because we have just chosen not to agree with it because we believe that God is healing him and He is healing him.  I’ve always prayed for my children; I have 4 children but I had never ever remember sitting on the bed and worshiping.  And so the other night, this was last week. I was putting him to bed and I was exhausted and he had been really…his behavior that day had been very difficult for us and it’s hard because he doesn’t have you know he doesn’t respond like a typical child would.  And so I was just sitting on his bed and I was just worshiping and my husband always keeps my music playing in Benjamin’s room so it was playing in the background.  And I just started singing from my heart to God and singing in the Spirit and he grabbed Benjamin grabbed; “Mommy hold my hand.”  He’s 7 years old and he said “Keep praying for me Mom, keep praying for me.”  And I mean it was like this hug revelation that I realized instead of praying and trying to think like “Lord bless him; put angels around him or whatever just typical.

Sid: Right.

Julie: I start worshiping myself and I feel like it opened up some other place in him and he connected with it.  And he went to bed totally at peace.  Hnd he woke up the next morning totally at peace and he was like a different child in his inner being.  And so I have started doing that every night and I am worshiping quietly on his bed instead of praying over him in a praying kind of way.  But I still pray when I worship I mean I’m asking God for His covering over him but I’m worshiping.  And so I really think that’s a key; even with my music I think the reason that people connect with it a lot of times is just that I’m singing my own heart to God; I’m not trying to sing something for them.

Sid: Well, I have to tell you Julie; from the last time that I interviewed you till today you’re under a higher presence of God in you our music and your speaking.  But we’ve been talking about this very new CD that we have just developed.  It’s a CD and a DVD called “Worship 24-7” that we did in the Supernatural television studio which packs  a major presence of God.  And we combined the anointing on you with the presence of God that’s in our studio and we invited people to do something different.  To come in; lay on their back and just soak.  What is your definition of soaking?

Julie:  It is a time to rest in God’s presence; it’s not a time to pray, it’s not a time to do anything; its not a time to worship and praise. Even though occasionally we end up in those places as the Spirit of God leads us there but mostly it’s a time for people to be still and know that He is God.  And it’s amazing how hard that is to do in this culture because people are so busy but when you are still you can hear God’s whispers and many people you know they go on healing journey’s many times and they go really deep places with God.  And I believe that intimacy with God is a huge key to signs and wonders and to you know that’s how we keep our lamps filled like the 5 virgins in the Bible.  That’s how we keep our lamps filled is by spending relational intimate time with God and once you get a taste of that you will want to be soaking all the them. (Laughing)

Sid: Well, for me it changes the whole atmosphere in the rooms that I’m in.  When I play it in my home the whole atmosphere get’s that same liquid peace. Or I call it “peace packaged.”  How would you like to be in that atmosphere?”  As a matter of fact I want you to hear from this brand new DVD we just recorded live it’s spontaneous worship with Julie True and her worship team.  We had people soaking to it and I want you to hear this….Let’s go to that live CD that we just finished.

Julie:  Live CD (10:44)

Sid: We want everyone everywhere when they hear that the earth is a million years old yet the Bible says that it’s over just over 6,000 years.  Not to wonder about “Well was there really a flood that was worldwide?”  I mean that just doesn’t make any sense you don’t have to be ashamed of the word of the living God.  There is overwhelming evidence that evolution is not based on science and that’s why I’m asking a Scientist Bruce Malone to talk about his brand new books.  365 days a devotional each day; it’ll take you about maybe one minute the whole family can do it.  Bruce this book is so beautiful the hard cover book we’re offering “Censored Science the Suppressed Evidence.” Why did you go to such efforts to make it so beautiful; I mean it could sit on a living room table I mean it’s so gorgeous?

Bruce:  Anything we do needs to be done well because it’s a reflection of truth or reflection of our creator. We are up against the entire museum system; the educational system; the media system that’s all promoting and pushing the false idea that the Bible can’t be trusted when it talks about science and biology and geology and history.  So we need to be preparing our children and others to what the truth is; so that’s why I went to all the trouble.

Sid: Okay, everyone has heard of Charles Darwin and his theory except it’s taught like a fact today; give us some insight about how we got to this point.

Bruce:  Well, you need a little bit of background Charles Darwin started out in theological school studying the Bible and decided that he wanted to be a naturalist, which was an old 1800’s term for a scientist studying the natural world.  Went on a 5 year voyage looking at observations; he was strongly influenced by a man named Charles Lyell that wrote a book called “Principals of Geology.”   He’s called the Father of Geology that promoted the idea of slow gradual processes over huge processes of time created all the geology of our time; little changes lots of time.  Darwin took that idea; looked at the for instance beaks of a finch; saw certain size beaks on the mainland; certain size beaks on the Globules Island he thought “Small gradual changes in biology if they have an advantage over huge periods of time could turn one creature into another.  It sort of makes sense if that’s all you ever get to hear; enormous problems with it but those get glossed over in the textbooks in the schools and museums.  Now Darwin sat on that for 20 years; he didn’t publish his book “Origin of the Species” until 20 years after his journey.  And he published it after his young daughter Anne died because he reasoned death has always been around; millions and billions of years has always been around where things have been living and dying and getting diseases.  So if God exists at all he must be a pretty cruel God to have created all of these millions of years of death and disease and bloodshed.  And at that point he set out to destroy people’s belief in God and he did it through his theory which is really just a story to try to explain everything as if God doesn’t exist.  And he called it evolution.

Sid: But wait a second these are scientists, and my understanding of a scientist is he wants to deal with facts so there must be some facts to support evolution.

Bruce:  Well, evolution is a word that means many different things; it can mean change, and change does happen; it can mean that if a creature has an advantage over creatures it will make more copies of itself and fill up an environmental knitch.  That actually does happen; that sort of evolution happens but then this shell game happens where the definition completely changes and then they assume that one kind of creature can turn into a different kind of creature.  That kind of evolution has never been seen and never happened.  We’re dealing with hard science, reality, things that are testable and observable in a laboratory versus philosophy.  The biological evolution idea that one kind of creature can turn into another is just a philosophical idea that is not supported by science.

Sid: Give me one fact, scientific, that why this cannot be.

Bruce:  Well, let me give you an experiment that’s been run for a 100 years.  Supposedly mutations; little changes in the DNA code are what causes one kind of creature to turn into another.  So we have taken thousands of fruit flies that only live for about 14 days; we’ll put them in a chamber and eradiate them so that there mutation rate is accelerated 1000 fold and we’ll do it with 1000’s of flies.  So we are simulating millions of years of years of evolutionary progress all we ever get is fruit flies with twisted wings; fruit flies with different numbers of bristles; fruit-flies with legs hanging out where their eyeballs ought to be and lots and lots of dead fruit-flies.  We’ve never gotten a new organ, we’ve never gotten a new feature; we’ve never gotten a new creature. What that says is when you do an experiment it shows evolution does not occur; what happens is that deterioration of the information that’s there not an upward advancement of the information.

Sid: Well, with all of the knowledge that we have today and it really is an Daniel says information is exploding; can human life be created in a laboratory?

Bruce:  We are about as close to ever creating any form of life in a laboratory is as if I put a piece of paper at the base of Mount Everest.  Mount Everest is 28,000 foot tall and I stepped up on top of that piece of paper; we haven’t even come that close to creating life.  We don’t make the right chemicals; there random mixture chemicals that don’t work when we’re trying to produce life when we try to make what are called amino acids which are like the building blocks of life by random experiments we get a useless mixture of chemicals instead to the correct acids.  We don’t get all the ones we need; as a matter of fact you can take like 100 million bacteria and you could put them in a centrifuge which spins it around and breaks open all the cell membranes.  So now in the bottom of your test-tube you have everything you need for life.  You have exactly the right proportion in exactly the right place; in exactly the right temperature and it will never turn into a new form of life.  Every experiment it does gives that same result; life has to be organized by something; someone unbelievable intelligence and intellect.  And God is the most logical scientific answer for that.

Sid: What about the horse fossil hoax you speak of?

Bruce:  Let me give you a little background on that; after Darwin had passed away a man named Huxley, Alex Huxley, had become what is known as Darwin’s bulldog.  And he really was promoting this idea in the atheist’s community of explaining everything without God and looking for examples to do so.  Well they came over the United States and a gentleman showed him a set of fossils of what were supposedly different horses; horses with two toes, horses with three toes; horses with a single hoot and then growing in size.  And then lining them all up in a beautiful chart and at that time in the 1800’s the horse was thee mode of transportation.  So if there was ever something that could be used to have an enormous impact to the man on the street of whether evolution could be true it was this idea that horses could have evolved from ancient time way down in the rock layers to a modern horse today.  Unfortunately for evolution that was 100 years ago we’ve discovered every single one of those different supposed ancestors of the horses have been found in the essentially same rock layer level.  So they couldn’t be ancestors to one another; and most of those displays of horses have been pulled out of museums today because they know that they are simply not true.  For instance it’s sill in the American Museum of Natural History the Curator Dr. Nile Eldridge has said, “There’s been an awful lot of stories told; imaginative stories about nature of life and so on; the most imaginative example still on exhibit was a horse evolution from 50 years ago; but I now think that that’s lamentable because when people who propose these kind of stories are themselves made aware of the speculative nature of that kind of stuff.”  See he’s admitting that it’s not even true when it’s still there in the museum.

Sid: I don’t get it; that’s not the way a scientist is supposed to operate according to my understanding of science.

Bruce:  But the only two options are that God did it; one moment there weren’t horses; the next moment there were.  Lot of variations of the horse kind just suddenly created or something turned into something, that turned into something and turned into a horse.  If you don’t want to believe God made it even if in the day it doesn’t agree you’re stuck with something turned into a horse.

Sid: What are these missing links that you hear about every few years that are found?

Bruce:  Those are simply variations within a created kind of creature.  Like there are many different variations of dogs all that came from a wolf but all of that information came from the original DNA of a wolf.  But you see that there has never been a completely half-man; half ape; or a half-fish half reptile, or a half dinosaur because it doesn’t work.  Those kind of things just simply do not exist.

Sid: Well, you would think if the earth was millions of years old and if evolution was true there certainly would be a lot of half-creatures.

Bruce:  There should be millions of them Sid!  Every creature should be filled with these functions that they no longer need as a reptile turned into a bird.  As a fish turned into an amphibian; or as an ape turned to a person our body ought to be filled with stuff that we no longer need.  But there’s a deterioration of the DNA information but there’s not all these useless unneeded parts because evolution has never occurred.

Sid: I’m reminded of what King David said “The fool says in his heart there is no God.”  Well Bruce Malone wants to help a lot of people that are getting within our education system lies and I’ll call it for what it is lies.

Sid:  I have a scientist on the telephone, Bruce Malone. Bruce says that there is overwhelming evidence that evolution is not based on science.  Now Bruce there are a lot of controversies going on, but one controversy that even many Christians are fuzzy over has to do with the age of the earth.  I mean the Bible says the earth is some 6,000 years old, but we have all these scientific dating things; carbon dating excreta that says the earth is millions of years old.  What do you say?

Bruce:  The vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation it is just that most Christians don’t get to hear those and they’re systematically censored from our school systems.

Sid: Well, so what you’re saying is that some say its millions of years old and some don’t; is that what you’re saying?

Bruce:  What you have to understand is that all dating methods involve assumptions; almost every dating method you have to see the amount of something divided by the rate of changes divided by the amount of the rate you come up with an age. But there’s assumptions involved in all of them; you can’t ever date something beyond historical times and know for sure that you have the right date.

Sid: What do you say that the Bible is accurate; that the earth is a little over 6,000 years old?

Bruce: Well, first of all first and foremost I look at a God who made this incredibly intricate gorgeous universe and I think to myself “Don’t you think a God capable of making the entire universe ought to be able to communicate when and how he did it clearly in a straightforward way.”  And that’s exactly what He did in the Bible; and second the majority of dating methods agree with that. They indicate this earth is very recently made and I’ll be glad to share a few of those.

Sid:  Tell me some scientific evidence that supports the creation view.

Bruce: Well, let me jump into one of the most visual ones.  About 8 years ago Dr. Mary Schweitzer down at North Caroline University dug up a Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton in Montana.  And when the bones were pulled out they pulled apart and she said she smelled like a rotting smell.  She got permission to dissolving away part of this very value bone and found completely unfossilized organic dinosaur tissue inside the bone.  Now that would be like King Arthur leaving a chicken leg on a rock somewhere 500 years ago and someone coming along last month and picking up that chicken leg and eating and it still being edible.  It is absolutely impossible if those dinosaurs were buried 60 or 70 million years ago for there to still to be undecayed tissue inside of it.  And yet there is; that is an enormous indication that the entire rock layers of the earth were laid down recently and rapidly and they aren’t millions of years old, and that’s just one example.

Sid: But wait a second when we look at some of the wonders in the United States like Grand Canyon, that took millions of years to develop.

Bruce:   Sit it’s an assumption that those rock layers we see in the Grand Canyon took millions of years; you see there’s two possibilities.  One is that over huge periods of time slow little bits of sentiment happened and build up to form limestone and sandstone layers and after many of years that river carved out that canyon.  But there’s another possibility that’s ignored and that’s the Biblical possibility and it’s presented as fact in the Bible.  That there’s a world restructuring flood; it ripped up the vegetation and the plants and the sediments and redistributed them across this globe about 4500 years ago. And that’s what formed those layers; laid them down rapidly.  We don’t even see fossils forming today; a hundred million buffalo died in the 1800’s in the Great Plains and yet not a single one turned into a fossil.  To form fossils you got to bury things rapidly and deeply to keep them from decaying and being eaten by other predators. So the rock layers of this earth did not form slowly they formed very rapidly.  During this flood there was enormous amounts of water that pulled in different areas around the planet after the flood it lasted for an entire year. And that water covered much of the Western United States after those layers formed it broke through and it rapidly carved out the Grand Canyon revealing all of these sediment layers that had formed during this flood. So you see that there’s not millions of years represented there; there’s merely the evidence of the rapid depositing of those various layers of rock.

Sid: Well, have you got scientific evidence that this could happen quickly?

Bruce:   Well, actually we do; one of the best examples was in 1980 when Mount St. Helen’s erupted out in Washington State.  The entire top third of the mountain during an earthquake eruption event slid down into the valley as an enormous fluid flood flow.  Now they estimated that happened at 160 miles an hour. So you here you have the top of the mountain being shook turned into like a moving fluid.  And all of the mud turned into like a snow and sediment flowing down into the valley.  You would think it would be like sticking a blender into a bunch of mashed potatoes and blending it up.  But that’s not what they found; when several months later that sediment flowed as a fluid flowed back into rock. Just like you’d pour concrete as a fluid and the next day it’s a hard stone; water had back up; it broke through that area.  It caused massive erosion in amount of hours; formed an entire new river valley not in millions of years but in a matter of hours and it revealed what that sediment had flowed down into the valley looked like. And you could see perfectly straight lines of sediment as far up and down the river valley as far as the eye could see turning that sediment into different types and densities. Just like we look at the Grand Canyon or we see road cuts we see horizontal lines of sediment up and down the horizon and yet this happened in a matter of minutes not over millions of years.

Sid: Well, how did we get, in this nation, to the point that we can’t at least point to the creationism as a viable cause of creation as opposed to evolution as a viable cause of creation.  Why can’t we just do both?

Bruce:  Ultimately it just comes down to human nature’s desire to get out of the accountability of God.  You see there’s only two possibilities from where we came from; either God made us or something turned into something else; turned into something else that eventually turned into something that turned into an ape that turned into a person.  There are no other possibilities; if you don’t want to believe that one moment people weren’t here and the next moment they were then you are forced to believe the only other option.  Which is that some sort of an animal turned into us; for that even to have a possibility of being true you need to have enormous periods of time.  So only that evidence is shown to students and only that evidence is shown in schools because it leaves God out and then we get to make the rules and that’s why evolution is so popular.

Sid: But you’re literature, your books prove that most of this is just a plain hoax; it is not science.

Bruce:  It’s actually worse than that Sid it violates what we do know about the laws of science.  It says that matter and energy made itself at some point way back in the past, and yet every experiment that we’ve ever done shows that matter and energy can never be created nor destroyed.  It says that information can spontaneously make itself; the DNA language and the DNA code is a language wrote itself and that violates everything we know about language theory. The mechanisms of evolution simply do not work they violate observation. Natural selection of mutations will not cause one creature to turn into another and yet it’s taught in schools as if it does work. It is a sad, sad situation all in an effort to deny God’s existence.

Sid: Now in your research you talk about dinosaur bones next to parrots, penguins, and insects and the parrots, penguins and insects look exactly like the ones we have today.  How can a scientist account for that?

Bruce:  Well, because people whether they’re fallen and deny God’s existence or not are still creative. I mean I can take a tricycle and a bicycle and a motorcycle and a car and I could line them up.  Well, what’s what they’ll do with fossils; they’ll say “What looks most like a bird?”  Well maybe it was a dinosaur that stood upright on two legs; so they’ll line up a dinosaur and say it’s scales somehow got frayed and eventually turned into a feather. Whether they find that in between transition or not they’ll line things up in order to explain where they came from.

Sid: Well I’m sure you’re aware of this Bruce, and I’m sure most of our listeners are aware of this, but from elementary school on the students are taught against the literal meaning of the Bible about creation.

Bruce:  We have got to prepare our kids and these are great fun easy to read books that are going to reinforce the trustworthiness of God’s word.