Sid: I’ve been looking forward to this interview because I have one of the generals of the faith sitting right opposite me, Norvel Hayes.  I have so many questions of ask Norvel but I’m going to take you back Norvel to… I know that your mother was a great influence in your life and loved God with all of her heart and planted good seeds in you but because she was Baptist did not understand healing.  And she died at a young age; how old was she?

Norvel:  Thirty-seven.

Sid: She died at 37 of cancer and you had a brother that died of sickness.

Norvel:  At 19.

Sid:  It had to have a devastating effect on you as a young man to see here’s your mother serving God with all of heart and dies at a young age.

Norvel:  Hmm hm.

Sid:  What affect did it have?

Norvel:  Well, I kept wondering you know how could God take her when she was such a good soul winner and such a blessing to the church wherever she went; whatever community we moved to and lived in. So later on in years later I started working with Kenneth Hagin and makes a statement one day to me he said “Norvel something I need to pray about” he said “I usually tell my wife I won’t be home for lunch I’ll be in the church all day praying.”  He said he had something he needed to pray I started praying about it and I can’t get no answer so start praying continually about it.  I’ve never prayed in my life; I’ve never prayed when I do that that I get myself to pray I’ve never prayed over 2 days full days sometime in the second day and I get the answer.

Sid:  And what was that?

Norvel:  Anything he wanted to know and he needed to know what to do and he goes to God in prayer.  That was Brother Hagin now.

Sid: Oh, okay.

Norvel:  And I thought “Well, if Brother Hagin can do that I can do it.”  So I’ve always wondered why God took my mother, or she died at the age of 37 she was a strong Christian and she was a good woman.  So I started praying, I prayed the first day, and the second day at the end of prayer and all of a sudden the Lord manifested Himself to me and said “This is fine, son I didn’t kill your mother with cancer I had nothing to do with it; nothing to do with it.”  He said “She died because of cancer disease and I don’t attack people with disease to show them something.”  I said “Well Lord she was a child of yours and she should have lived from 37 to now. It would have been 30 – 40 more years and look at all the souls she could have won because she was bold about it.  But You let her die, I know that I don’t believe that you killed her Jesus but You are the healer you could have healed her couldn’t You?  And all I want to know Jesus is why didn’t You heal her?”  And He said “I couldn’t help her son.”  And I said “Well, I don’t get that I couldn’t help her.”  He said “Because she died because of the church she went to they failed to teach her about My divine healing power; if they’d have taught your mother about My divine healing power she could have believed Me and got healed, but they failed.” That’s the way it is in most all Baptist Churches.”  Now there is some Spirit Filled Baptist Pastors now you run up on it once in a while and they pray for the sick but then that was like a disgrace they didn’t… you don’t want to get into that healing.

Sid: But you know something you said something to me before we started this interview most Christians even Spirit Filled Christians do not understand faith.

Norvel:  That right.

Sid:  And by the way since this is radio I’ll say this is it 86 years young?

Norvel:  That right.

Sid:  And I’m going to tell you this week he’s going to answer questions just as God answered his questions. Let me take you back to the time you had an encounter with God and got born again; tell me about that.

Norvel: I tried to give my life to the Lord as a little Baptist kid but it didn’t do much for me you know. I went to church you know and I knew God to a certain degree because I believe in staying out of sin and things like that, but me and 3 more men owned a manufacturing company in Columbus, Ohio.  And at the end of the year would have an executive meeting 4 executives myself, and 3 move and we’d go over prices and things like that.  And so the last day of the meeting our manufacturing company was on West Block Street Columbus, Ohio used to be the old Highway 40 and this is the days before the interstate.  And that night when we got through the meeting because I lived in Indianapolis at that time. I went across the street and got into my car and began to drive home and I began to say a little prayer just a little sweet Baptist prayer what I had been taught, thanking the Lord for the day and thanking him for things.  And all of a sudden it’s hard to explain like the wind or something blowing in my car and all of a sudden here come God.  I mean He just engulfed me, engulfed me and I began to weep and cry for an hour and a half.  He told me at the beginning He said “You are killing yourself working and you’re not doing anything for me; your killing yourself working not anything for Me.”  At that time I was making 4 or 5,000 a week.

Sid: My goodness that’s good today but back then that was amazing.

Norvel:  That was.  The first year I worked for that company I didn’t I just about met expenses that’s all; they didn’t give an expense account or nothing they just furnished us apples that’s it.  And so… but I finally I really learned I loved that business.

Sid: But God is telling you He wants you really working for Him.

Norvel:  Yeah.

Sid: And the Spirit of God came in and He tells you that and what else did He tell you?

Norvel:   He tells me “You’re killing yourself working too hard and you’re not doing anything for Me. He said that He wanted me to come… and just a little bit later I never fed any poor people and I was counseling one day with a Pentecostal preacher and that had a good mission ministry.  And I asked him I said “ Do you know what God wants me to do I said I pray and God comes and visits me real strong about once or twice a week He’ll just get me real strong and He’ll bless me and I said “Do you know what God wants me to do?”  This Pentecostal minister he says “No Mr. Hayes I don’t know what God wants you to do but I can tell you how to find out.”  And I said “You can tell me how to find out?” He said “Yes I can, I can tell anybody in the world how to find out what God wants them to do.”  I said “Anybody in the world, boy you must be real smart.”  He said “Not necessarily,” he said “Mr. Hayes now let me ask you a question and it will help you.”  He said “Did you ever feed any poor people and I said “No.”  And this is a 1^st Baptist Church and they don’t look like they are poor as I know of.” And I said “No.”  And he said “Have you ever fed any kids when their daddy left and they have to go to the city dump and take a stick trying to find some food to eat that day and sleep under a tree at night time?”  And I said “No, I had never worked with them.”  He said “Well, they are they’re there.”  And I asked this Pentecostal minister you go there with them?”  And he said “Oh yeah, all the time.”  I said “Well can I go with you I learn pretty fast can I go with you to see how you do it?”  He said “You can go anytime you want to.”  So I worked with him about 7 years.

Sid: Norvel I don’t think God serious when He says that He concerned about people that are hungry and people that are starving.  But we’re out of time right now we’ll be back on tomorrow’s broadcast. There are so many things I got to ask Norvel because I want him to explain faith to us, I want him to explain when he went to Heaven what he learned. I want him to explain, I want him to demonstrate how he worships.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. I can’t think of a better time for you to be red hot for the Messiah this is the Biblical festival today of Shavuot. Now what is Shavuot? Many of you know it by the name of Pentecost. As far as I’m concerned the best way to understand these biblical festivals, and a lot of people say “Oh well God’s through with them Sid. Why are you wasting your time?” Well let me tell you something if it wasn’t for the Biblical festivals we would not have such tremendous conclusive proof that Jesus is the Messiah. His whole first coming was prophesied in the Biblical festivals, and His entire return. Let me explain that to you from Leviticus the 23^rd chapter. I’m going to tell you something else many people aren’t aware of this but I’m beginning to find out, I just spoke with a man that got insight that a lot of our understanding of heaven is in the Biblical festivals. By the way, these are Biblical festivals, these are Jewish festivals, but you know what God calls them something even stronger than Biblical festivals? Something even stronger than Jewish festival; He says “These are My festivals.” In the Hebrew where it says “My festivals” it could easily be translated “My appointments.” So God says “I promise to show up on this particular date.” Let me read this to you in Leviticus 23: “The Lord said to Moses ‘Speak to the Israelites and say to them these are My appointed festivals, or these are My appointments. The appointed festivals of the Lord which you are to proclaim as sacred” some translations say “convocations,” some translations say “assemblies,” but in the Hebrew it could easily be translated “rehearsals.” God says 3 things in Leviticus 23 verse 1:

1. These are My appointed festivals. So one they are His feasts.
2. They are appointments where He promises to show up.
3. They are rehearsals of past and future events.

Since we know this is Shavuot, or Pentecost, and by the way the rabbis tell us that it’s really the completion of Passover. Passover started 50 days earlier.

So I’m turning to the section in Leviticus chapter 23 verse 15 where it explains Shavuot, or Pentecost. Starting at the 15^th verse: “From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord.” This is an amazing, amazing statement here because it’s talking about what the Spirit of God is doing today, although this was written thousands of years ago. It says that we’re to bring in the 17^th verse: “Two loaves of bread baked with yeast.” Now on Passover remember the whole deal was to have bread without leave, without yeast. At Shavuot we’re to have it with leaven, with yeast. If the matzaoh which had no leaven and leaven represents sin, represented Jesus and His body which was broken for us, what do the 2 pieces of bread, loaves of bread represent that have leaven, or a type of sin? I believe that represents humanity. Now why two? I believe that God is prophesying even back here in the older covenant that there is something supernatural when 2 types of humanity a Jew and a Gentile with leaven are offered up to God. Now let’s keep reading. See that’s the whole One New Man there, God says “This is an aroma pleasing to Him.” There’s something so pleasing when the Jew and Gentile become one in the Messiah.

The 20^th verse: “The priest is to wave the two lambs before the Lord as a wave offering, together with the bread of the first fruits.” So what He is saying is you can see Him taking these 2 loaves and they’re long loaves of bread with leaven representing humanity; representing the Jew and the Gentile. We wave them before the Lord and the Lord says “It’s a pleasing aroma.”

The 21^st verse: “On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.” Isn’t that interesting it’s supposed to be forever, and it’s supposed to be wherever you live not just in Israel.

The 22^nd verse, and by the way do you know the book that is read during Shavuot it’s called the book of Ruth. As I read this next verse 22 you can find out why Ruth was selected to be read during Shavuot. “When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you.” Remember when Ruth was gleaning for some of the harvest, they left some of the grain there for her. It was also the harvest of barley which that began at Passover and ended with the harvest of wheat, and that ended Shavuot. So those are the 50 days that’s how we come up with that. Now remember I told you during Shaving, during Pentecost, we read from the book of Ruth. One of the things about a One New Man congregation is we take these biblical festivals and we say “Spirit of God breathe on them and show us things in the future Spirit of God. Show us what this means for us today for our congregation.” I believe this week God is going to speak to you. I believe as you listen God knows your name, God has every hair on your head numbered, and God’s going to speak to you. So starting in the first chapter the first verse: “In the days when the judges ruled, there was a famine in the land.” You know what, I believe that there… although there was a literal famine in the land in the days of Ruth. There is a famine in the land now because we are in between the move of the last Spirit of God and the next Spirit of God. They were living in Bethlehem of Judea, however, they then moved out of the land of Israel to the land of Moab. What does Bethlehem mean? House of bread. Now, how were they going to get bread in a famine? The word Judah, Bethlehem of Judea, means worship. I believe if they had worshipped God they didn’t have to leave the land of Israel because what happened? The further they got away from Israel the more problems they experienced to the point where the 2 sons married and then both sons and the husband died. So if they had just remained planted where they were I believe they would have had so much bread they wouldn’t have known what to do with it.

Now Naomi had 2 daughter in laws, one was Orpah the other was Ruth. Eleventh verse: “In the days when the judges ruled, there was a famine in the land.” You see the 2 sons had just died. The daughters would be able to find their own kind of people if they returned to their home. I mean why would they want to go to Israel, why would they want to tie in with the Jewish people? So Naomi was giving them really good humanistic advice, but humanistic advice is not going to work in the times that we’re living. One of the daughter in laws, Orpah, she kissed her mother in law goodbye, but Ruth clung to her mother in law. Why did Ruth cling to her mother in law? Because Ruth knew something she knew about Genesis 12:3. She may not have known Genesis 12:3 but she understood the principle that she would be blessed. She probably even understood the principle in the last days in Zechariah 8:23 says “Ten Gentiles will cling to the hem of him who is a Jew in the last days.” “Say I’ve heard that God is with you can you see what God is doing He’s orchestrating this One New Man even at this point.” Well we’re out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Leif Hetland; I’m speaking to him at his office in Florence, Alabama and he is originally from Norway. God has baptized him with a baptism of love.  And God has enough love to cover every single person that He has ever created on planet earth.  Something is wrong; according to a survey done by Promise Keepers 6 of 10 men; these are mostly Christian men, are involved in pornography.  According to studies I’ve seen the divorce rate is bad in Christian churches as it is in the world.  There’s something wrong; Leif Hetland I happen to believe your description of the 3 chairs that I heard in your series “Father Loves You” gives us some answers.

Leif:  Just to be able to describe I put 3 chairs up on the stage and then I point to each one of them. And I said that there’s 6.2 billion people in this world and that’s including you that are hearing.  Everyone of our life are living out of these 3 chairs or we are moving between one or 2 chairs on a regular basis.  I start with chair number 1 and it is the chair of commitment.  Chair number 2 is the chair of compromise and chair number 3 is the chair of conflict.  And chair number 1 the person is saved; and in chair number 2 they are also saved and in chair number 3 they are lost.  If you are sitting or living your life out of a chair number 1 you are living in grace and grace is a keyword.  Chair number 2 often you are living under the law and law is a tough marital partner even as a believer where you constantly have all the offertories that you need to do this; you need to do that.  And no matter how good you try you will never be able to do enough.  And what we have done is that we’re putting people on the performance treadmill of all these offertories.  Try harder, achieve and the whole America Christianities enterprise have often ended up that we have offered an Ishmael instead of waiting on an Isaac because we’re running out of the wrong chair.  And then chair number 3 that I will not focus that much on is the 1.2 billion Muslims; 600 million Buddhists; it is over a billion Hindu’s it quite a few other Jews that have still not had a revelation of Messiah.

Sid: But it’s coming soon; I can tell you that but go ahead.

Leif:  And it is happening and that’s why we’re coming with this teaching and this revelation and we’re bring it to Israel and we’re bringing it to the nation for the people to be able to see and to experience all the passion and the power of a Father of love that is bringing His children home.  So these chairs is just to be able to help people to be able to  understand which chair you’re living your life out of.  And what we have a tendency to do and I believe according to George Barna and you referred to some of his research he said “When it comes to the lost people.”  And I refer to as chair number 3 and the people in church I call that chair number 2 they’re compromisers.”  And he said “There is hardly any difference but he said that when it comes to behavior…” excuse me he said “When it comes to the the believer there is a big difference.  But he said when it comes to behavior he said that it is hardly any different.” So what is happening is actually the church  or we often as believers is becoming more like the world then they are able to see Jesus living His life in and through us.  So chair number 1 the key thing is for Jesus  to live His life in and through us then the Father is left with the honor and the glory and that can only happen through the Spirit filled life.  But in chair number 2 you’re operating out of your soul; than means your emotion, will, mind and personality is what is in control.  It is me against the enemy instead of Jesus against the enemy and the world sees something totally different.  In chair number 1 the supernatural is what is natural.  In chair number 2 as I say you will just continue to struggle and strive and as I was saying the natural is what you are going to see.  And as a result of what we often done is we have watered down the word of God even if we we’re conservative we have believed the same but our experience level is far beyond what the Bible level is or what the Jesus level is.  And the result is that now we have less expectation, less faith.

Sid: You know as you are sharing this what I’m thinking about there is a new phenomena in America and it’s called Seeker Sensitive Churches.  It’s the fastest growing churches in America.  And what they have done is that they’ve taken out the things that don’t work so they don’t have to explain why they’re not working and they’ve gone to the level of the people rather than the level of God.

Leif:  Yeah and we’re seeing a trend there and…

Sid: And by the way I don’t see a whole lot of difference between what are called Charismatic Pentecostal type churches and seeker sensitive and I had to put my little commercial in there but go ahead.

Leif: I totally agree and I have the joy I have been ministering over 1000 churches in 40 some states; every denomination and I have followed this trend. And what I am seeing now and I am not against and I want anyone that is preaching Jesus and is seeing people getting saved if they have a different approach I’m very glad to it.  But I see very clearly the Jesus way the New Testament way and I still believe that 9 out of 10 people in the world getting saved today.  The only places that where there is a seeker friendly and places where it’s very affluent.  But 9 out of 10 people being saved in the world today what you will see is the proclamation and demonstration of the gospel goes hand and hand.  Meaning signs and wonders, miracles, healings is going together with the preaching and teaching of the gospel.  I have never once been able to see one Muslim, one Jew, one Hindu during all my time of travel just true intellectual convincing these people in a seeker friendly way that my way is better than your way.  But I have seen more 1000’s than I can count to to be able to say “When Jesus does what only He can do and He’s left with the honor and the glory through ordinary people I think that’s still what is working all over the world. And 9 out of 10 people saved in the world today is being saved.  And sometimes they tell me “Oh you you’re seeking for the experience or why are you focused so much on signs, wonders and miracle or this love stuff…” or they love my love message but the other side of it.  And that’s the dangerous…that’s part of the grace or the love message is that some people they stop there. But the whole purpose for the Father to bring us into a love and intimate relationship isn’t to remove a way that is not comfortable with love because that is not comfortable with Him and that is not comfortable with His Kingdom.  And then He wants to do something instead of us living for God He wants us to live from God and He wants actually instead of us asking Him to bless what we are doing we start to do what He is blessing. And it is a totally new paradigm.

Sid:  Now would you say that most people who hear very very infrequently from God that real Christians are in this chair too.  What is it like when someone moves from chair 2 to chair 1 which you call the commitment chair.

Leif:  Yeah, and let me first mention that when I talk about commitment it is not the comment to do doing but to being.  It is a commitment to a relationship, it is a commitment to son ship and to every other ship that follows after that.  So suddenly now as I can mention to that in just in the last week that came from Columbus Ohio a people that experienced that.  First of all in chair number l you are hearing God’s voice clearly, “My sheep hears my voice”. In chair number 2 it can be God; it can be the devil and it can be the flesh; you are not sure it’s uncertainty.  And deception is very deceiving; most people in chair number 2 think that they’re in chair number 1.  In chair number 1 you always have a person hand encounter with God; there’s an open Heaven and you can always say His Kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.  Another thing is you think Heavenly thoughts down here on earth. But in chair number 2 as a thing you will continue to strive and you will continue to struggle.  So a different; I am seeing is that first of all I see a major difference when it comes to the fruits of the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit goes hand and hand. And that’s why I saw the balance between the passion and power you will see that reflected. And if you squeeze and bump into somebody in the chair number 1 and what’s going to come out of them is joy, peace, patience. If you squeeze somebody in chair number 2 you will start to see “Well, you preached too long or they criticize the sermon or the Norwegian accent then what is in them is going to come out.  They start to defend themselves; they start to “You humiliated me.”  And the question is “How can you humiliate someone that is humble.”

Sid: Hmm.

Leif:  And in chair number 1 you are humble and grace is available to the humble.

Sid: Ah Leif we’re out of time will pick up her on tomorrow’s… oh on Monday’s broadcast; we’ll have Leif on all next week…

Sid:  My guest is normal; normal is what the Bible talks about. Most people that call themselves Christians are abnormal there what tradition talks about.  It’s time to be normal; every one of us should be normal.  Jesus said “I’d rather you be hot or cold if aw you’re lukewarm I’ll vomit you out of my mouth.”  Well my guest is red hot for Jesus; his name is Mark Pool.  On yesterday’s broadcast we found out from a toddler I mean even before he was born his mother audibly heard that he would be a prophet to the nations.  And she was quite a woman of prophesy; tell me a bit about your mom’s prophetic gift, Mark.

Mark: Well, mother could read my mail from the day that I can remember.   

Sid: So you couldn’t get away with anything.

Mark: Never.  

Sid: (Laughing)

Mark:  She would tell me I’m with the wrong friends doing the wrong things, exactly what I was doing and you need to cut it out.

Sid: Now you got a double portion of her spirit and there’s almost as if you see a ticker tape over people’s lives when you meet them; tell me about that or give me one specific example.

Mark: Well, it’s like it’s so hard to describe but whenever a lot of times as I’m ministering or being around people and the Lord’s anointing comes on me to give them a word then what happens is I just begin to… He just shows me I guess as up said it’s sort of printout of issues a lot of time; of past battles and victories.

Sid: Now I want you to pick one specific person and tell me about them.

Mark:  Okay, well can I talk about you?

Sid: Uh oh! Sure you can talk about me

Mark: Just make it personal since we’re on your program and thank you.  I remember when I first saw you; you know it’s one way when you meet somebody over the phone but when you just walk up and see somebody it’s like immediate the words that came to my spirit were just like a big huge bold headline printout like “Prophetic destiny.”  And when I see that it’s like I just know that God has and I just saw you as God has a major plan for His church.  And I saw that over you and I thought “This is a blessing reunion, it’s like you, when I saw you, you said “This is a brother I’ve had for you and your just now getting to meet.  It had the same feeling when I was in Heaven meeting my brother a feeling of a completeness and that was a word over you was a prophetic destiny completeness and a voice for My chosen.  And as I shared with you earlier it’s like God says you’re chosen for such a time as this to My chosen.

Sid: I believe that everyone that is listening to us right now it’s not an accident and I want to piggyback right now to the early 1990’s you developed a blood clot in your lungs and you ended up in the emergency room and you died.  Tell me what happened.

Mark: Well, immediately it was just a millisecond I just sat up and begun to hover over the room and they couldn’t see me and I begin to realize that well number one I felt better than I ever felt.  This body truly is like a tent and when you’re free of it it’s like there’s no description of that feeling; the greatest high that you can ever imagine it’s not a rush it’s constant feeling of peace.  So I began to travel upwards as I traveled I went up to the portals of Heaven, not without going through a sphere and a strata that was a warfare that was just over the earth. I realized that was the later that was the warfare in the Heavenlies  over us and it’s gained for us through prayer.  And as I stepped into the portals of Heaven I began to rub actually the gate it’s one smooth complete piece of pearl.  I felt the presence of somebody at the gate as I walked in and turned around.  And of course I had never seen this person I had only heard of him once or twice because mother said he passed away you know at the age of seven before I was born.  And I turned around and I looked at this person and I looked at him Sid face to face and pointed at him and said “Stanley I called his name to him.  He said “That’s right Mark I’m the brother you never met.”  And my goodness it’s so difficult to describe that because it’s like he was 7 when he was hit by a car in an accident crossing the road.  And I would say looked about 25 somewhere between you know early 20’s a great stature of a young man. We had very similar features in the face.  And he said “God’s here to give you a mention because I wanted to sit at Jesus feet, and he said “You can’t do that yet.”  I said “Oh, and he said “No God has a message for you and the message is number one you’ve got to do what he called you to do; did he not call you while you were in our mother’s womb by name?”  I said, “My goodness, God you are very intricate and he’s keeping records and though there’s nothing wrong with other professions you’re not doing what He called you to do and nobody else can do that.”  I said “Whoa, but your right.”  He said “So be the prophet to the nations He called you to be.  And number two is equivalent to that and share with everybody you can over the airways, personally everywhere you go there is power in the agreement of prayer because it brings the body of Christ to unity.”  He said “He must answer that prayer, the power of agreement.” My God I feel the anointing; the power of agreement in prayer and it touches the heart of God; it truly does bring answers to our prayers.  And I did not realize that I had not been really in agreement with prayer but there’s so much more to agreement then I think we actually understand as the church.  Part of it I’m understanding since I’ve met you.

Sid: When you say agreement you mean like two or more agreeing on any one thing or the body itself being in unity?

Mark: Both, because you can’t come to agreement if I’m not in unity; you can work on that one just like now.  I did not even know by ignorance because of the given replacement theology that had been pretty much taught just like others get taught; I didn’t know that it was really really that important to seek out and go to the Jewish people.  We’ve always heard you know to “Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, pray for the peace of Jerusalem and carry on and do your thing before God.”  But how could I be in agreement Sid with you unless you and I came together, this is a God ordained event. Now I understand because you’ve accepted Yeshua as your Savior, but the nation as it happens in a family it happens to the whole. And the whole of course is God’s chosen and His Church and now I’m beginning just now at this Middle Age to understand the agreement that He was talking about there.

Sid: You know Mishpochah, and I have mentioned this to Mark but I didn’t tell him all of the details. We recently did some television shows for “It’s Supernatural Television” and Mark was one of my guests and I told him we had signed with a secular television station that covers 93% of New York City’s total cable households; 4.2 million households.  It also covers Hudson Valley, Connecticut, parts of New Jersey, and that is parts of Connecticut.  We’re on the Time Warner Cable which is RNN TV Prime time Monday nights 9:30 pm.  And I believe Mark that New York City and Israel are the two most strategic places on the face of this earth.  And when the enemy wants to strike America what’s the first city he went to in fact you saw that prophetically didn’t you?

Mark: Absolutely.

Sid: Tell me about that.

Mark: It is 3 days prior to 911 as you know, I begin to have dreams and they’re very restless nights and I call them actually dreams and they go into night visions and the difference to me that at often times I would set up in bed and they won’t go away and you just lay back down and they pick right up from where they were.  It’s almost like into a prophetic – I don’t want to use the word trance, but you get caught up in like a Third Heaven so to speak. It’s like I’m there seeing this thing crystal clear.  I saw jets traveling, I saw President Bush his entourage.  I saw actually his wife Laura; I saw them flying in a jet all over the nation; the country and never landing hardly but just once and while and being very quiet.  The jet almost had a wreck; not that it did, but I mean I saw this prophetically that’s when God showed me that’s the one they wanted.  But he lifted him up above the trouble and I found later that it happened and I did see a crash; I saw two crashes and I saw innocent people you know as actually two-fold purpose.  I didn’t share this with you before I saw that they were both like a wakeup call for America that you’re not without judgment you know.

Sid: Speaking about judgment and we’ll talk about that on tomorrow’s broadcast you literally saw one of the major cities in the United States underwater this year but we’ll talk about it tomorrow.  When you got back from Heaven and got into your body was there a sense of disappointment?

Mark: Great disappoint there’s a two-fold battle that goes on because I saw everybody that loved me around me and I realized they had no understanding of what happened.  But at the other side of it I felt relief in that I could be with loved ones.  And the greatest relief Sid of all was that He said “I’m going to allow you; I’m going to allow you to fulfill what you really didn’t do if I had kept you. You were not ready for the final exam because you hadn’t done what I called you to do.”  Folks we got to understand He’s serious about keeping His word and our commitments.

Sid: And you know Mishpochah Mark had never understood God’s call on the Jew and the nation Israel and the one new man; and this new move of God’s Spirit where Jew and Gentile are coming together.  Not as two streams but the One New Man, the body of Messiah and we’re going to see miracles like we’ve only dreamt about. It will not be a superstar we already have a Superstar His Name is Yeshua Jesus the Messiah.  And he read my book on the subject and he also heard me speak on the subject and something supernaturally transpired.