Sid: Guess what just as I said that someone’s was healed; someone with a headache the headache is gone in Jesus Name. We’re getting ready Mishpochah to blow the grandest shofar; oh the grandest trumpet in Zion; we want everyone everywhere to hear the good news we want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. My guest by way of telephone is Pastor Michael Cameneti. And He is pastor of Canton Christian Fellowship in Canton, Ohio. Michael you are talking about a subject; you have written a book about a subject that is probably about. the most important subject that a Bible Believer can hear at this precise moment in history. And I really believe that it’s part of a prophecy that was given several years ago by Dr. Kenneth Hagin. I heard this prophecy but there was a part on 2005. There are people that give prophesies and in there are prophets of God. And Dr. Kenneth Hagin was a Prophet of God he’s now in Heaven but his words go on. And I wonder if you have that in front of you if you could read exactly what he prophesied would occur in the year 2005.
Michael: Sure, Sid it is great to be on your program. The prophecy went like this: 2005 Brother Hagin starts to prophecy and in fact he begins to weep. And he asked the Lord it says this “Will time last or will time cease.” And then he says this “It will be a year of judgment” and he actually reemphasizes that judgment. And then he said “If we judge ourselves we will not be judged.” And of course that’s a scripture 1st Corinthians 11:31. Then he goes into that when we are judged we are turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit might be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus.” In fact that’s another scripture out of 1st Corinthians 5. Then he says “There will be judgment on the individual realm; judgment in the family realm and then judgment on the national level. A day of sternness; a day of discipline; a day of correction but the end of the year will be glorious. But yes amends will be made; many will judge themselves and nations will turn to God and it will end 2005 in a glorious manner.” So I believe this prophecy and I believe in our church personally that we’re pasturing in here in ` that we are teaching right now to our church members to get ready for 2005. I’m doing a series right now that goes really along with a book that we’ve written called “The Missing Ingredient to Success.” This book is about the fear of the Lord and fearing God; which is a subject that we don’t hear a lot about…
Sid: And you know judging on what is going on in the church and I’m talking about homosexuality; divorce; addictions of all kinds. There is no fear of God obviously, and Christians I liken it to when someone has been a non-Christian their whole life and then they have a revelation of who Jesus is they are on fire for God. They are red hot for God, but it seems as though the things that go on in this life, the problems, the business that the fire has gone out on many Christians.
Michael: It’s very true. And in fact Jesus said this in Revelation’s Chapter 3 and John’s writing and Jesus said “I know your works.” And actually in the Greek it says “I know them first hand; I know them intimately; I know exactly what you’re doing first hand.” So God knows what we’re doing; Jesus knows what we’re doing on this earth right now for Him. And it says “That thou are neither cold or hot.” Now this is written to specifically a church; written to the pastor of that church. John obviously delivered it to them; they read it to that church. The church was not hot nor cold but Jesus said “I would rather have you hot or cold; but He says that “Because you are lukewarm; neither hot nor cold I’m going to spew.” Or the Greek says “I’m going to vomit you out of my mouth.” That’s not a pleasant thought for any of us we don’t want that to happen in our lives or with Jesus. But I am seeing a trend in the church in the local churches overall not just in our church that people are not on fire. I came out of the world; I came out of getting saved from doing things that were pretty much not good and not always want to talk about. I was not living for God and I didn’t know Him but I got born again and asked Jesus into my heart and I got on fire for God. I’ve had to work to keep that; I think that Christians think that it’s just an automatic thing. I’ve had to stay in fellowship with Him. Stay in His word, stay praying, stay in church. And through those things it’s kept me on fire for God. But a lot of Christians have lost that fire and my desire is to get them back to where they get their first love. Like Revelations Chapter 2 Jesus is wring to a wonderful Church; the Church at Ephesus.
Sid: But guess what; it’s more serious than that Michael; I mean if Kenneth Hagin was a prophet of God which both of us believe he was.
Michael: Yes.
Sid: It’s very serious. Let me ask you a few questions on that prophecy.
Michael: Sure.
Sid: Number 1 he talked about it was almost he posed this question: “Will time last or will time cease?” In other words what he was seeing he almost questioned as to whether this was it.
Michael: Right, he obviously you know saw something that made him wonder is this going to be it because of what happens. And of course judgments not a popular subject, that’s for sure, and especially not in the church because we do live in the age of grace; we live in the church age. But I think people have forgotten even in the Book of Acts or even in the New Testament that there were times that judgment came. I think that we forgot about that. And judgment is not to put us into fear; I don’t believe that this prophecy was giving so that Christians will be afraid of 2005; they’ll be afraid to enter it. In fact a brother that I heard ministering he said this “God’s not running out of mercy; God’s running out of time.” So I believe that the prophets of the land are saying and I believe that seeing what we’re seeing right now in the land that the end is coming. And obviously, Brother Hagin must have seen something that he was thinking is this going to be it because this judgment is coming.
Sid: Well, he was weeping it had to be horrific.
Michael: Yes.
Sid: But he talked about judging of the individual; the family and the nation. What do you think he meant by the individual?
Michael: Individual I believe it’s personal. Where us as believer’s can do something; in fact this is what I’m teaching on Sunday mornings that we can do something to avoid judgment in our own person lives. There are some adjustments you can make in your Christian life.
Sid: I want to cover a little of that this week and that’s all we can do is just a little of that. What about family? What do you think he meant by family, judgments in the family?
Michael: Well, in America at this time they say “Whether it’s in the church or whether it’s outside of the church the divorce rate is at 50%. Some people have said that it’s actually higher in the church it’s at 51%, but regardless of whether that’s true or not we know marriages are having an attack people are getting divorced. I believe that God’s saying that as family’s to say “No” to the trend that’s in the world which is divorce. And God doesn’t like divorce; God doesn’t want us to get divorced. Now he loves people and he loves the people that still get divorce, but what he wants to see is for these families to stay together. We understand that it’s causing children to have problems; it’s causing the family to have problems; it’s causing the families to have a pressure; it’s causing wives to have problems. And so what we want to see and I believe what God wants to see and I believe what this meant on a family realm is that we get the family’s walking with God. Let’s get them back to church and back into the things of God so that we don’t see judgment come on families individually.
Sid: And what do you think he meant when he prophesied of national judgment.
Michael: Well, national judgment I don’t believe it’s just for America but I do believe America is up for judgment like any other country because we see in the word of God that there’s going to be a judgment of nations. I believe America has to step up and say we are a Christian nation; we were definitely founded on those facts and on those ways and principals. So we have to come back to God as a nation; so we have things like gay marriage rights that are we going to allow that or not. America’s going to have to vote on these things and what about abortion. These are things that God would definitely not be happy with in our country. The level of sin and how things have come out of the closet and there are all kinds of things that are accepted. I believe America has to judge itself and if it doesn’t this prophecy says that there will be judgment on a national level. We don’t know exactly how that will work or exactly what it’s going to be. But He does say that America, or not America specifically, but nations are going to be judged.
Sid: You know I hate to be pessimistic but I just don’t have the faith for a national turning to God. I just believe that throughout history; throughout scripture when the sins reach a certain point judgment is inevitable; it can’t even be stopped.
Michael: We’re all familiar with the Old Covenant in the Old Testament. And in the Old Testament the children of Israel when we read the Book of Kings, 1st Kings, 2nd Kings we even read other books that are in there like Judges, we find out that the children of Israel kept on leaving God. Their leadership their Kings kept on turning from God. And when things go to a certain level when they would turn their hearts away from God judgment would come and then their hearts would turn back to God. And we are different them them; we have God now living in us we’re born again; we have a new spirit on the inside. They didn’t have necessarily that they were believing on the one that was going to come. But as America as a nation there are times for a nation that judgment has to come so that that nation will turn back to God because they’re not going to necessarily do it by our preaching or by what they’re hearing us say. Now there are many believers in this nation; we have more mega-churches in the country than we’ve ever had. More people attending those kind of churches. But there are a lot of people that are un-churched or are not going to church or backslidden that need to come back to God.
Sid: Now on that prophecy it sounded like 2005 would end wonderfully because of what…
Michael: The end it says “Amends shall be made many will judge themselves,” so obviously people do the right thing, “nations will turn to God,” and he actually laughs at that point, and then he says “it will end in a glorious manner.”
Sid: Michael we’re out of time right now we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
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