Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be so excited about the Messiah, not this 21^st Century American version of Christianity. I’m talking about Bible belief; I’m talking about intimacy with God.  I’m talking about greater intimacy with God then what people have with their churches.  As a matter of fact that’s about what their intimacy with God is; is their intimacy with their church. But there’s something so much better; don’t limit God. You can have the same intimacy with God that everyone that you read about in the Bible has.  It’s available right now, it’s being poured out right now; do not settle for mediocrity; do not settle for tradition. There is reality and my heart’s desire is for you to have the same encounter with God that I have had. To have the same encounter with God that Akef Tayem had. Akef is a Palestinian Arab born Palestinian in Haifa, Israel. But when Israel became a nation in 1948 his family who is a wealthy family, prosperous family there moved to the Island of Cypress. He and all of his brothers got scholarships to U.S. Universities. He went to University; a Christian woman started witnessing to him.  Talked about miracles, as a Muslim he never thought this was possible.  He wanted to prove that this guy was a fake, a charlatan. So he went to a tent evangelist meeting and he saw a miracle he couldn’t deny. Then he accepted the Lord; disowned by his family, and he was going through hard times because of… it was very tough he was struggling with a lot of things. He believed in Jesus; he could not deny it but he was just plain struggling and he found himself at a little country church. What happened Akef?

Akef:  Well, this is really a little embarrassing to me and I didn’t share this with hardly anyone but my close family because it made absolutely no sense for me to do what I did.  I’m usually… I mean I have my senses together, I’m logical but I did end up in a small church in the woods in Birmingham, Alabama.  I wanted to be by myself; I wanted to understand what happened to me.  I accepted Jesus because of a miracle I’d seen my family disowned me. They wanted nothing to do with me. After a few attempts my brother said “I just give up, and he’s very nice; he really tried but I just could not go back on that.  So the minister told me I’m welcome to stay there. There was like I said “It’s in the middle of the woods and I started taking straws because I had nothing else to do into the woods and I had the Bible and the Koran; I was trying to see what’s going on. I quit my job of course; and I was without any money, without any resources whatsoever but somehow that did not matter to me. The other things, my relationship with God. What happened is I had absolutely no desire for food, I mean I did not go on a fast.  I mean I did not plan a fast; I just was not hungry for some reason.  And I didn’t eat for quite some time; and I remember a gentleman that I found out later his name would leave me two gallons.  Because there was no running water there.  They had a well, but the well didn’t… the water in the well was not  really drinkable. And so someone would leave me 2 gallons of water by the door of the church. They would leave it on Wednesday night and Sunday; when they had meetings. And after quite some time I don’t know exactly how many days; I figured later it to be 38, 40, 42 I…

Sid: Weren’t they a little worried about here this guy is camping out on their grounds.

Akef:  Well, what happened is after maybe 2 weeks; 2 ½ weeks, or so, I started being too weak to come up to the church.  The Pastor told me that there is a river and they gave me directions in the forest where there’s running spring water in it. Which I never found but they told me it is there. So I guess they assumed I did have water and I asked them to just leave me alone and they respected that.

Sid: So what happened next?

Akef:  Well,

Sid: I mean you’re fasting; I mean you must have been pretty weak. You weren’t eating anything for about how long?

Akef:  Well, I went I figured it to be like I said between 37 to 38 to 40, 42 days.  I was so weak at the end that I was. Matter of fact I found an interesting thing, I wish I could draw that but it was a white rock in the middle of the… it was a rocky area and this rock looked like a chair or a day bed and that’s where I ended up most of the time.  I became so weak I could hardly walk.

Sid: You must have been in really turmoil not to be able to eat. You weren’t fasting you just had no desire for food.

Akef:  No. I had no desire for food and I use to read; when I would read the Bible I would read it loud.  It was so quiet there that I wanted to hear my voice so I would read it loud.  And then after some time when I opened my mouth to speak it it would tear my skin.

Sid: Because you were so dehydrated.

Akef:  So dehydrated I would feel the blood start coming down so. I stopped doing that.  And then my hands between my fingers, if I opened by fingers the skin would crack like parchment. So and when I started seeing this I realized there’s something wrong.  I said “This is ridiculous; now I got to get out of here; I have to get out of here or I won’t make it.”  Then I was too weak too weak to walk. And I remember it was… I remember praying to God because I was losing my sight.  Now I’m not going blind but things would get dark for a little bit and then I’d see the sun and pray.  It looked like I was trying to pass out or something so.  But I wanted water; I wanted water so bad and I remember asking God and praying.  I said “Lord, water I need water.” And I looked and my only hope of course was rain.  And I looked up in the sky and there’s not a cloud in the sky; there was just nothing there.  Next thing I know is that I’m about 8 – 10 feet in the air.  And I’m looking down and I see this individual who is laying on a rock.

Sid: Wait a second; you’re telling me that you’re spirit left your body?

Akef:  Now I know then I didn’t.

Sid: So okay you were about 8 or 10 feet in the air… I’m just trying to catch this and what did you see?

Akef:  I looked down and I see this young man laying a rock. There’s a Bible next to him; I see that the Bible is open. There’s a book next to him and I don’t recognize him.  I don’t know that it was me; I don’t self in so long.  I remember that he was so weak

Sid: Hm.

Akef:  He was so weak, he was so skinny and there was blood; there was blood around his lips; brown.  Blood around his hands and I remember feeling sorry, and asking “What is this?”  I didn’t know what was going on.

Sid: Did you realize that it was yourself that you were looking at?

Akef:  No.

Sid: Okay.

Akef:  The next thing I know is I’m going up into towards the sky. And I remember it was dark. And I’m going up and as I’m going up there was one issue that puzzled me more than anything and I still don’t understand the relevance or what. But I remember trying to touch my hand and my hand, my fingers would go through me.  And I couldn’t understand that, I kept going on and I’m saying “Why am I so light, why am I so light?”  There was no substance, and it fascinated me later on of all the things I could be worried about you know of what I left behind, my family this was what was really… but anyway I kept on going through this space dark space. And then I recall coming through a lit area.  There was bright light but I didn’t stop for some reason; I went through it.  And then there was darkness again.  Then there was light, darkness, and then the third light and I didn’t know at the time anything.  About pulse, you know. But I know that the third light… lit area I stopped.

Sid: So that’s what Paul was calling the third heaven I believe.

Akef:    Yes, but…

Sid: But you didn’t know it from borscht.  Okay go ahead.

Akef:  No, that’s right and then I stopped; the third lit area.  And there was nothing there there was just myself and I was standing on what seemed to be like wool.  It had no substance; and I realized that I was standing on it because of course I had no substance either. Otherwise I would fall through it or something to that effect.  And then I’d seen a form of someone; a figure of someone began to take shape.  Maybe like 10 feet away from me or so. And it’s amazing but somehow without anyone telling me I felt it was Jesus.  And this form began to approach me and He came about arm length from me. I remember Him saying “Touch Me.”  Now what’s important is I didn’t see the color of His eyes, I don’t know the color of His skin, it was like a silhouette. And He said “Touch Me.” And I reach my right hand towards His side; it was His left side. And I remember my fingers went inside Him like a ¼ of an inch or so because He was hollow too. And the minute my hand touch Him was back on the rock again and it was pouring rain.

Sid: (Laughing) You had been praying for rain.

Akef:  It was pouring rain.

Sid: Akef, we’re out of time; pick up right here.  Mishpochah you…it’s almost unbelievable what happened to him next.

Sid:  I’m talking to someone right now; you were baptized in the Holy Spirit 20 years ago. You spoke in unknown tongues; you had your first love.  You read the Bible every day; if there were 8 services going on in a day you would run to those 8 services.  You had an insatiable appetite for the things of God, but as time went on you prayed for a few people and they didn’t get healed; you stopped praying in tongues.  You became a spectator; you might have even been teaching Sunday School but things are booor-ing [emphasis intended]!  And you’re just wondering “Is there something more?”  I have on the telephone Tim Enloe I’m interviewing him on his latest book and it’s brand new it’s almost off the press.  It’s called “Want More.” So what would you say to that person Tim?

Tim:  Well, first of all I believe that we do a great disservice to the Holy Spirit almost an insult in not depending on Him.  You know I want to challenge those that have… or are in that situation an area that you just mentioned their just living in status quo Christianity.  And their saying “Life if just happening and when something really bad happens I’ll really commit it to prayer but otherwise I’ll just accept the status quo as being God’s will.”

Sid: And you know what I think that position is backslidden and don’t even know it.

Tim: Oh certainly they’ve lost their first love and they need to remember that the height and repent and come back and do the things that you did as first.  Getting back in repentance and heart searching and calling on the Lord, no doubt.  But in those cases you see one of the things that we need to recognize about the Holy Spirit is that perhaps we make the mistake many times of recognizing or reconciling that our present reality is God’s intended best for us.  Well why in the world would we ever want to make such a foolish mistake? We know that He is exceedingly able to do far above anything that we could ever ask or imagine according to the power that is at work within us, the power of the Holy Spirit.  And I want to encourage those that have received the Baptism in the Spirit and had kind of gotten complacent in their hearts and haven’t had an avenue of ministry.  The easiest way to get those jumper cables from heaven on your earlobes again.  The easiest way for God to hit you with His Holy Spirit defibrillator and give you a fresh charge is for you to get in a place that demands the anointing of the Holy Spirit flows through your life. Get in over your head and cry out help to God; get around someone that’s sick and instead of trying to give them 20 minutes of counseling and 1 minute of prayer.  Give them a half hour of prayer only and cry out to God.  Pray in the language of the Spirit; tell God your desperation and get in over your head. When we begin to recognize that it’s not by our might or our wisdom or our power but it’s by His Spirit and truly convictedly believe that in our hearts.  It begins to magnifies the Spirit of God to come down upon the circumstances; God never flows through the wisdom of men He flows in a different trend of wisdom the mysterious wisdom Paul talked about  in Corinthians chapter 2 the wisdom of the Spirit of God, His empowering, His glory, His work. And when we get into a circumstance over our head I believe the siphon down the power and presence of the Holy Spirit.

Sid: Tim, what about the person that their whole life they have heard that tongues is not for today. What would you say to them?

Tim: Well I would challenge them to read their Bible; it’s very easy to accept teaching from very good, and I might add godly people.  But people that they themselves have been indoctrinated that tongues is not for today.  But thankfully that’s an ever shrinking corner of Christianity even among scholars. Certainly in the evangelical world it’s a very shrinking perspective. But to understand that the Bible does not teach that the Bible tells us that one of the great scriptures that the sensationalists used beginning with B.B. Warfield back with his counterfeit miracles book at the turn of the past century. He said that “It’s clear that tongues shall cease 1^st Corinthians 14 “When that which is perfection has come.  And he said “Well, certainly I would image that perfection to be the Bible being concluded; the Bible being written; the end being put on the end of John’s revelation of Jesus.  But we understand from scripture that Paul is not talking about that at all when you read that. He’s looking forward to an eschatological conclusion when we’re with Jesus forever in heaven, tongues will be stilled, prophesy will cease.” There will be no need when we’re in heaven with Messiah.  There’s no even need for a temple there; no even need for a sun because the Lord is there He is the light.  The Lamb is the light.

Sid: Tim you used the words sensationalists in other words people that believe that the gifts have stopped. In your book you tell us a story of a couple that accidentally came to one of your meetings that thought that way.  What happened to them?

Tim:  Well this was again a couple trained and raised from knee high to a grasshopper trained and raised in a sensationalists church. Again a good godly pastor absolutely no doubt about that; people being born again.  But when it came to this openness of the things of the Spirit they said “Basically they’ve said “I haven’t experienced it yet so it must not be true; which is a terrible error; a fatal error to me.”  They came to the service not realizing that they were having a kooky guest like myself into the pulpit that day and a that that moment they wanted to get up and leave but they were sitting too close to the front.  And by the end of the service they both found themselves walking to the front and praying to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit evidence by speaking in those unlearned languages that the Bible promised. And they both found themselves very easily experiencing the presence and the glory of God like they both testified they had never experienced before, and then speaking this new language.  And of course I always encourage people after they begin to speak in that language to trust God to guide their known language in the same miraculous way.  That afternoon as they pulled out of church Brother Sid, they made a right out of church and then a left on the main road. And about ½ mile down there was a car with a hazard lights blinking on along side of the road.  It was a young single mom full of a car load of kids there.  And she was broken down and they stopped and the wife looked at the husband and the husband looked at the wife and said “Already?”  And he called the tow-truck and they sat in their car there and they decided to drive them home.  And he was going to wait with the car until the tow-truck to get there because the kids needed to go home; total strangers.  And as the wife newly baptized in the Spirit the wife was driving this young single mom and these kids to their house before they even pulled into the driveway she had already led them to the Lord. They were praying with her; they couldn’t believe this divine opportunity from God.  And if that weren’t the clincher that night this lady laid hands on a young boy and born cross eyed and he had had 7 unsuccessful operations to cure this cross eyed condition. Laid her hands upon him not only… again she didn’t believe in miracles she was a little convinced about the baptism of the Spirit thing because she had experienced it.  But now she laid hands on this young boy born cross-eyed 7 unsuccessful operations the moment her hands touched him his eyes straightened out. And he screamed out “Mom, I don’t see funny anymore.” And what a testimony service we had that night, not only from this lady who was laying aside sensationalism but she had picked up the now anointing that had already resulted in several people being born again in her life as she shared Christ with them, and now miracles taking place.

Sid: Now this is not unusual Mishpochah every time that Tim shares in these areas either people that were baptized in the Holy Spirit get it activated.  Or those that haven’t get baptized in the Holy Spirit they literally get a refreshment, they get their first love back.  Tell me another quick story of someone that heard your teaching, sat under the anointing and what they did.

Tim:  One of my very favorites is one of a minister, a credentialed minister, with a sensationalist denomination and he accidentally got into our services as well.  And I always tell people “Listen I’m not going to present an argument. I don’t believe the Holy Spirit blesses arguments the Holy Spirit blesses when you talk about Jesus.”  So I just presented Jesus as the baptizer in the Holy Spirit that perhaps there are some that have never encountered Him. They’ve encountered Him as the Savior, they’ve encountered Him as the deliverer, and certainly the Messiah and all that contains and they’re looking forward to Him as the coming King but they have not experienced in the way that John prophesied.  The forerunner said that “He would baptize you in the Holy Spirit and fire” and they had not experienced that yet.  This gentleman came forward and he was still very unconvinced but he said “It’s true Jesus I don’t think I’ve experienced You as the baptizer so I know I’m safe asking Jesus for something.  He wasn’t sure about asking the Holy Spirit for something, he said “I know I’m safe asking Jesus.”  And he went forward and as he began to pray all of a sudden the Holy Spirit came upon him and all of a sudden he found this beautiful interior river beginning to break-loose out of his inner most being.  And he found himself suddenly speaking in a language in which he’d never understood before.  And he came to me after-wards and he said “You have ruined me.”  And I said “I didn’t do it I don’t know what you are talking about. (Laughing) He said “How in the world am I going to explain this to my denominational officials?  I came here totally convinced against this,” but he said that “As I began to ask Jesus to show Himself to me as the baptizer in the Holy Spirit He said my guard is down because I love Jesus with all my heart.”  He said “Today for the first time in my life I know that this is real and that it’s a gift that comes from Jesus He’s the baptizer.”

Sid: You know in your book you state that you feel that this next move of God’s Spirit is going to hit non-charismatic denominational churches.  I actually have more faith for them than the charismatic churches that have got it and have buried it in the ground.

Tim:  Well, I really believe that too, the exception of that is the young generation that God is raising up in the Pentecostal and the Charismatic Churches that are dissatisfied with form without power.  That is not an acceptable model for church living, is it?  And the young generation is raising up saying “Hey, wait a minute we believe all this stuff why don’t we see it?”  And there is a new rekindled passion that perhaps their parents and grandparents had laid aside many years ago.  But I truly…I’m with you if you gave me someone that was born and raised in a Pentecostal Church and has heard about the baptism of the Spirit all their life as Case A and someone that was just born again and delivered from demons and drug addictions as Case B, and you said pick one for the baptism of the Holy Spirit I’d run right to the….

Sid: Oh Tim we’re out of time. 

Sid: Now I have my good friend Jonathan Bernis on the phone and most of you are familiar with his TV show” Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis.”  Jonathan you came out with a concept that frankly I haven’t seen anyone do before.  And that is I’ve seen people have scriptures to mediate on God’s word and list them and tell us to mediate rightfully so.  But you came out with it on a CD as well as in a book with a special way so that anyone can read Biblical Hebrew instantly.  Why the Hebrew, most people don’t understand Hebrew?

Jonathan: Well, Sid I believe that Hebrew has a unique power to it, and I believe it’s connected to Roman’s 11:25.  Which I think it’s often misinterpreted; it says “A blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”  And I don’t believe it’s talking about a full number but a fullness coming back to the church; a restoration as Acts talks about; a restoration of all things.  Part of this divine restoration and I believe Sid it’s a last days restoration is the revival of the Jewish roots of our faith.  And that includes the language of Hebrew which I believe is dynamic and powerful which I believe it began with restoration that began with the 1800’s with Hebrew coming back to a people that had been wandering for almost 2000 years.  The Jewish people who are now back in the land and the national language in Israel is the language of Hebrew.  I believe that this is a modern day miracle Sid.  And I believe that Christians can tap into this amazing restoration.

Sid: Well as far as I’m concerned not only is the language supernatural it was prophesied they’d be speaking it again in the streets of Judah.  But it is… there’s something about sound.  For instance, I interview Psalmists and some of them literally they have portals to heaven for peace, or for healing, or for various things.  There’s something about Hebrew that opens up the heavens.  What do you feel about that?

Jonathan:  Well I believe that God responds to any language but I believe that there’s a unique anointing on Hebrew and some have suggested Sid, I can’t tell you dogmatically that this is the case, but that when the Lord spoke the world into existence and said “Let there be light” He was speaking this forth in Hebrew as a creative force.”  So I believe that Hebrew does have a supernatural dimension to it.  There’s frequencies that resonate in the Hebrew how detailed I don’t get into.  But I do believe that there is a very unique power to Hebrew; it’s called the language of the prophets the language of the tongue of the prophets.  And I believe that it’s part of an end-time restoration.

Sid: Now in Jeremiah 31:23 Jonathan read that verse.

Jonathan:  “Thus says the Lord of Hosts the God of Israel, they shall again use this speech in the land of Judah and in its cities when I bring back their captivity.”

Sid: Well, how much more specific can you get?  I can just tell you the way it affects me.  I love to hear the language of Hebrew.  And tell me about how this prophesy of God’s word that once again the words of this supernatural language will be restored in Israel. How did it come about?

Jonathan:   Modern restoration of Hebrew goes back to the latter part of the 19 century.  Actually the middle part; the 1860’s and 70’s thought a man that God called to move back to Israel before it was restored as the nation of Israel.  A man called Eleazar Ben Yehudah and he was responsible for the restoration of the Hebrew language.  He spent the majority of his life developing ancient Hebrew into a modern spoken language that could be used by a people because he was confident that one day the Jewish people would be restored back to the land.  And it came to past Sid in 1948; Israel supernaturally in a day was restored back to the Jewish people; the birth of the modern birth of the state of Israel.  And then 1967 with Jerusalem coming back into Jewish hands; I think this was the singular greatest event in the last century to signal the near return of Jesus to this world.

Sid: And you know what’s so amazing about our God is here He said that the Jewish people would be scattered to the four corners of the earth. He prophesied they’d be maintained as a distinct people.  He prophesied a land would be born in a day, and He prophesied from the four corners of the earth we would return but when we returned we returned we spoke the language of whatever country we were scattered to.  So if Eleazar Ben Yehudah had not restored modern Hebrew how could be communicate with one another?

Jonathan: Yeah it was a miracle. Sid there was 3 restorations just to continue on this that are absolutely supernatural.  One is the restoration of the Jewish people scattered to the nations of the world back to their land after almost 2000 years. There was only a remnant of Jewish people living in Israel after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.  We were scattered to the remote parts of the earth.  But since 1948 God has gathered us back as a people and there’s more Jewish people living in Israel today.  That little sliver of land the size of New Jersey than any other place in the world including America.  Secondly He’s restoring our faith.  Jewish people are coming to faith in the God of Israel through the Messiah.  Eyes are being opened; there’s more Jewish people that believe in Jesus today than any time since the first century, then third restoration of the modern language. They’re all tied together; their all supernatural and we’re experiencing this before our very eyes Bible prophesy being fulfilled.

Sid: Now tell me about this beautiful book and CD that’s included titled “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures.”

Jonathan:  Okay Sid I have to give credit where credit is due and you played a role in this believe it or not.  A number of years ago you confessed healing scriptures and put them to music.  And I listened to those tapes and I never knew if they ever came out in CD’s it was a while ago.  They were on cassette tapes and I sent those to friends and it was soothing for the soul; faith came alive for healing and health through the confession of God’s Word.  I’m a big believer in confessing the word of God; faith is built as we confess the word of God.  But then I coupled that with a method that I had learned growing up in synagogue and that is the idea of transliteration.  Most Jewish people can’t read the Hebrew and so our prayer books transliterate the Hebrew into English phonetic English to sound out the Hebrew so then we can follow along using the phonetics.  Now I learned to read Hebrew the transliteration was kind of a cheat sheet that we could use to speak out the prayers  in synagogue. What I’ve done is I’ve taken that method that transliteration…

Sid: Now that was done because so many Jews relocated to the four corners of the earth as God prophesied and they did not know how to speak Hebrew after several generations. So it had to be started a system like this and it’s actually a supernatural way for any one that never went to Bible School of any sort, or a language school of any sort to be speaking the Biblical language.

Jonathan:  That’s right Sid in 5 minutes you can sit down put the CD on and you can be speaking in Hebrew without any Hebrew background or training or education whatsoever.  You can actually speak these scriptures out following along in the Hebrew and using the transliteration.  And you can be speaking forth confessing the Hebrew scriptures related to the Name of God Jehovah Shalom; or Adonai Shalom the Lord our peace; the Lord our completion.

Sid: Now you have scriptures about the word shalom peace but most people think of that’s what it means peace.  But it means so much more explain.

Jonathan:  Well, shalom is one of the greatest words in the Hebrew language; it means much more than just peace.  Although it does bring with it a supernatural peace.  But it also means wellbeing; it means wholeness.  And the greatest translation I think of shalom is completion; to bring to completion. When we’re exhorted in Psalm 122:6 “To pray for the peace, the shalom, of Jerusalem.”  In fact God is asking us to pray for His plan and purpose to be brought to completion, fulness.

Sid: So that’s why you know many people say now “Why did God pick only one city in the whole world that we’re admonished to pray for?”  And that’s Psalm 122:6 “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.”  Then He makes a promise connected with it.  “They shall prosper” and the word prosper in the Hebrew (talk about peace) means heart peace.  You shall have heart peace; because you’re praying for the completion of everything that God has prophesied so Jesus can come back and rule this earth.  We certainly need something better than Democrats or Republicans. (Laughing)

Jonathan:  (Laughing) We sure do Sid; and something really exciting is that first pray for the shalom of peace of Jerusalem they shall prosper that love thee.  Which means there’s a promise of property connected to that is also the word shalom.  Pray for the shalom of Jerusalem of Israel and God will shalom you.” He’ll prosper you back; He’ll give you peace, He’ll give you wholeness. He’ll complete the work He began in you.  It’s just amazing as you sow that prayer into Israel He pours it back into us.  That word is shalom.

Sid:  Now this brand new but we’ve already field tested this and people are listening to this in the Hebrew because the CD has beautiful relaxing music and then you hear the promise in Hebrew; then you hear the promise in English.  And you can also because it’s transliterated and the most beautiful pictures in this book.  And it’s really a book that you’d be proud to put on a coffee table; what a conversation piece you’re going to have in your home.  So as people do this at night they get totally relaxed and I believe as you’ve just pointed out the word shalom is completeness and all the promises of God… it’s called “The Lord Is Peace.

Sid: Well my guest is red hot the Messiah he’s the founder of Promise Keepers; Coach Bill McCartney. I’m speaking to him at this home in Denver, Colorado.  Those that are football fans know what he has done in the football world.  Those that are Jesus fans knows fans know what he’s done in the Kingdom of Heaven.  He literally was used by God as a catalyst to draw 1.4 Million men together to worship God.  This event Coach you were telling me yesterday was the first one that included Messianic Jews, explain.

Coach: Well we were in the Mall in Washington DC.  

Sid: Excuse me there must have been Messianic Jews as individuals but not in large numbers, but go ahead.

Coach:  In other words, we didn’t acknowledge them; we didn’t honor them; we didn’t give them their rightful place at the front where they belong.  So what happened in the Mall in Washington DC in 1997 when we had 1.4 Million men, was that we blew the shofar, and as you know that’s a call to God.  As you know that’s a call to God and as we called out to God it was an extraordinary time.  And I need to take you to what God did with me most recently to help you to see how all of this kind of came together for me.  I went into the waiting room. The waiting room Isaiah 31 says “Those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength.” I felt led by the Lord to step back out of Promise Keepers. I felt like what had happened in Promise Keepers God had really blessed it and would continue to bless it. But that the primary reason that He called me to be a part of birthing the ministry was still unfulfilled.  So I had a sense that I just needed to retreat. So what I did was on March 12, 2003 I stepped back and I went into the waiting room. And for me the waiting room was every day and getting up and spending at least a couple of hours with the Lord unhurried time where I could just ask God all the necessary questions.  And I felt like God said to me “If you’ll step back and connect the spiritual dots in your life you’ll discover there’s a divine order to them.” And so I started to go back over everything that had happened prior to Promise Keepers; through Promise Keepers; what was God doing as I’ve heard you say, “You’ll find that everything is a stepping stone to what God wants to do next.”  It was with that in mind that I did this, and I got to tell you that I was in that waiting room 9 months.  Now ladies know what happens in 9 months you give birth.  Sure enough I didn’t realize it at that time but on December the 12^th I flew to San Diego at the urging of some brothers at the prompting of some of the Messianic Community. I flew to San Diego because over the phone I had been saying things to a friend of mine and he was jumping out of his socks trying to get me to say these things out loud.  So I basically connected the dots and I said “Based on all the ways that God has worked in my life and what He did in Promise Keepers and what not here’s what I believe God is saying He wants to do.”  And I explained in the room in San Diego there was 16 guys, 2 were Messianic Rabbi’s.  To others were Messianic Jews and all the others were men but it was ethnically diverse.  When I shared with them and I connected the dots I’m telling you the room just took on a profound aura. And it was obvious that these guys every one of them felt like what I was saying they were validating that you got to pursue this.

Sid: I can’t wait, what were you saying?

Coach: Well, I got to tell you one more football story so that you’ll understand.  I was praying in July one year. I was in the book of Isaiah and I came across I know you know this but whenever the word of God is spoken, read, or heard and the Spirit of God takes the word of God and strikes fire that’s where there’s change. So with that in mind I would read the Bible through every year; some in the Old Testament, some in the New Testament on the program that I was on. And this particular day in July in the book of Isaiah I read Isaiah 11:11 “And the Lord will return a second time to recover the remnant of His people.”   When I read that it just jumped off the Bible at me; I’m telling you that it just lit up my heart and so I stayed there; I mediated on it.  Well, what happened was the Lord… we had the year before had an extraordinary season and I in my own football way I was asking God, “God are You saying You’re going to do it again a second time what You did last year with our football team?  Now that’s not what the verse was saying.

Sid: Right.

Coach:  But that’s what I was asking him.  And the Lord affirmed that He was going to do again what He had did the year before.  Well at the time that I’m reading this I said, it was in July but actually I was wrong it was in September.  Our team was 1 – l and 1.  We had won 1 game; we had lost 1 game and we had tied 1 game.  We were ranked 20^th in the nation.  And the Lord showed me that your final season record will be Isaiah 11:11, meaning 11 – 1 and 1.  The record was 1– 1 and 1, our final record would be 11– 1– 1.  Sid as God as my witness I gathered these guys together that had been a part of the golden season and I said to them “You’re not going to believe this, but God showed me that here’s our final season record.”  So sure enough we win the next 10 games; we gain a share of the national championship.  You know when God tell you that He’s going to do something before He does it you don’t get any credit for it.

Sid: Of course.

Coach:  And so we’re now in the waiting room connecting those dots; remembering how God supernaturally orchestrated that and brought that to bear.  Why did He do that; why did God start Promise Keepers; why did God providentially do all of these extraordinary things? We had one event in Atlanta where 40,000 Pastors came to the event.  And for about 45 minutes on one of those days there was a euphoric spirit that came over the place that was unlike anything that most of us had ever experienced.  And so why did God do all of the these things?  Well, for me in connecting the dots it’s back to Isaiah 11:11 and the Lord will return a second time.  In other words what God wants to do through the One New Man; what is in God’s heart for the harvest that He wants to bring in is so extraordinary.  But I couldn’t had ever gotten there without going into the waiting room without just meditating and chewing on scripture.  When I read your book “The Race to Save the World” where you explain the power of the One New Man; I couldn’t contain myself because it was so clear.  You were helping me to see things that I was coming to understand but not fully grasping.  Now I began to realize what God has been doing all along through all of these football experiences.  What He did in football is that He gave me favor; unmerited favor.  What He did was He allowed me to have favor across the Body of Christ.  I’ve got to tell you with ethic men of all colors I have favor, I have favor with the Jewish believer, it’s unmerited favor.  And what God has done He has prepared me to join guys that He’s raised up like you and being part of ushering in the One New Man.  There is a revival coming; there’s a move of the Spirit of God coming and I just know it.  And my role in it is to ask God to do it; my role in it is daily regularly petition Him; call upon Him.  Jeremiah 33: 3 says “Call upon Me and I will show you great and unsearchable things which you do not know.”  I believe that what’s in God’s heart is so extraordinary and so powerful and it’s going to be realized; it’s going to be evidenced as… picture this if you can get this picture in your heart you got it. Picture a Gentile Believer who’s emptied of self and free of the fear of man.  And then picture a Jewish Believer who’s selfless and fearless.  In other words both of them have fresh fire and they have real fear of God. That is the component that God’s going to use to explode this revival as we go after the Jew first and then the Gentile.  Listen to what it says here, it’s talking about Noah in Hebrews 11:7 it says “By faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen moved with Godly fear.”  See he prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and he became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.  He was able to see what was going to happen before it happened.  What I believe that God has done with you; what I believe that He’s speaking into others is this One New Man.  What’s in God’s heart for that is of such proportions; it’s going to bring in the peace that surpasses all human understanding.  In other words, there’s a peace; you know who has that peace?  The guy that’s empty of self and free of fear.  Jesus said “Whoever would come after Me must deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow Me.”  Look there’s two things there.

Sid: Coach we’re going to pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Dr. Howard Morgan another Jewish man that is red hot for Yeshua, Hebrew for Jesus. I’m speaking to him at his home in Atlanta, Georgia. We’re featuring his book “Leaves from the Olive Tree” this week. In your book Howie you say something that could be construed as very very controversial, but the truth of the matter is God doesn’t change.

Dr. Morgan: Amen.

Sid: We’re not seeing results of the New Testament, the New Testament is of God therefore, one guess as to who’s done the changing it’s us. How have we changed? What have we changed from, and how do we change back? But here’s one of the statements you made and you said “That the system is based on an emperor system, and the emperor, or the pastor, only sees your value.” Of course there are exceptions, please please we’re not talking about everyone, but we’re saying that the system itself lends to this. “The emperor only sees your value as you work to accomplish his goals.” Please elaborate on that as you did in your book.

Dr. Morgan: I think it’s really import for us to understand as you described the system. The spirit of religion has created a system by which it operates. It puts people into the system, grinds them up literally robs them of their inheritance in Christ, then fits them into a mold where they live for the system. The insidious part of it is the deception that takes place as you go through the system where you think you’re really doing the will of God and you’ve been so deceived because you’re actually not doing the will of God you end up serving the system. So we have leaders who are in the system and they become what I call “Little Emperors.” You know, Caesar ruled the Greco-Roman world; the Caesars, the emperors ruled. Into this comes the Christ who says “If you want to be great in my kingdom, of which I am the King over all the emperors, I am the King over all the kings you are called to serve one another.” In so many churches we’re all serving the “pastors vision.” This doesn’t necessarily have to be in large churches it could be in home meetings where the same spirit of intimidation, manipulation, and control take…

Sid: But wait a second, what’s wrong with serving the pastor’s vision he’ll never implement it unless he’s got a team doing it?

Dr. Morgan: Yes, now… that’s a really good point because I want to talk about so many pastors visions that are really focused on themselves and their own ministry. I believe that the authentic vision of the New Testament because we’re talking about New Testament realities in that the authentic vision of the great Shepherd is to bring people to maturity. So that the vision of the pastor in my understanding should be “What can I do to make everyone in my congregation a disciple? How can I save them, mature them, train them, and send them? Not keep them for myself.” Oh Sid we have over the years helped so many people who as one sister describes she was a victim of church abuse. She came with a heart full of zeal for the Lord and ended up doing whatever the pastor wanted regardless of whether she believed it was the will of God to being told that she had to submit to authority. Inside her relationship with God was being crushed. Finally to the point where she could no longer do it anymore and having served faithfully for years; having given money faithfully for years at that point they just simply threw her out and dismissed her, marked her as a rebel because she could no longer do what the “system” was enforcing her to do. It was demanding, the intimidation, the manipulation, and the control was so intense that she could no longer function. And really it took her a couple of years to find her way back to her relationship with Jesus because it got so confused in her thinking because this was the church, these were the elders, this was the pastor telling her how she was supposed to live. So the vision of the church “If we’re going to see the glory of God” I believe that there’s going to have to be a radical paradigm shift a shift in the way we view the world, and the way we view church, and the way we do church that’s about equipping people challenging them to rise up and get into the flow of the river of God, and move in the power, and start to experiment, and start to take the risk of faith, and go out into the highways and byways and pray for people and watch what the Lord will do. Not hide in the service and say “Oh the pastor he’s anointed the evangelist who shows up, he’s anointed.” They’re supposed to be equipping ministries, Ephesians 4:11…

Sid: But you know what Howie, I believe the heart of good pastors is “I want this, but I don’t know how to do it.”

Dr. Morgan: Well here’s the thing…

Sid: How do you do… wait a second. How do you it with a church of a thousand people. I mean 99% of them have got to be sitting there just being fed. A few will be workers, but there’s not room within the church system for everyone to be a worker.

Dr. Morgan: So then we have to look at how the system has developed and how we have to raise up leaders over tens, and hundreds, and thousands. Each one who is discipling, and underline the word discipling, because what we’ve done in the system is made church going believers of people and told them “That it’s enough, it’s okay if you’re simply just going to a church on Sunday.” So that many people when we witness to them and ask if they’re a Christian their answer is “I go to church.” Instead we should say to them “What is the word of the Lord to you? What are you doing about it?” The system has created a dynamic where the pastor is happy that a thousand people are there and it feels good. But my question is of those 1000 people “How many are real disciples?” Then that pastor has to get before the Lord and say “How can I disciple every one of them? I need to raise up leaders over tens, and hundreds, and thousands so that each one has a “Father” in the Lord. Another thing we’ve lost down through the centuries that is so deeply engrained in our Jewish culture and world view and mindset of fathers raising sons, who raise grandsons so that all the tribes are coming to maturity. That was the vision that God gave, they didn’t fulfill it we know, but it’s still the system that God put in place in the Torah, and Brit Hachadashah, the New Testament. It’s all about raising up disciples and asking the Lord you know you may have to maybe break the church up into smaller groups like home meetings, and those wonderful things that are going on in so many places. Even that has to be focused on equipping people to do the work, to be discipled because you know what Sid, Jesus did not say “Go into all the world and make church going believers of everyone you meet.” What He did say was “Go into all the world and disciple the nations teaching them to obey the things that I have commanded you to do.”

Sid: So what you’re saying is the common theology is “Say a prayer with Billy and you go to heaven and everything is fine” is not really the whole story.

Dr. Morgan: Not at all, it’s the very very beginning of the story praying the prayer with Billy, repenting, then saying “Okay Billy, train me.” If Billy can’t train you then Billy needs to get trained so that he can train you, then you can get trained so that you can lead somebody to the Lord. If you’re one day older than somebody you can give them what you’ve learned in that one day. If you know one more verse than them you can help them with the one verse you’ve learned; each of us pouring in to each other’s lives. Oh my word Sid how many churches, big churches and nobody is talking to one another, nobody is fellowshipping. We’ve been in churches you know that the people left and they moved faster than the lines in Disney. You know, 2500 people out gone, you turn around the place is empty and it’s sad the place remains empty here’s a multi-million dollar facility and it’s used a few hours a week for the “theatre.” Oh and it’s great theatre I mean it’s a big wonderful band and lights and action and camera, and sound effects all this other kinds of stuff, but who is being equipped to do the work? Because the system makes people church goers rather than disciples, it makes people members of a local organization rather than members of one another. Being members of one another, and being disciples that’s hard work, there’s a lot of problems that have to be dealt with. So down through the centuries the system says “Well we don’t want to deal with the problem we’ll just leave the people alone they’ll come to church it’s okay if they don’t grow so much, it’s okay.” It’s not okay! If we have this passion this is a lot of hard work and it’s going to turn things upside down. I tell you what brother I believe there is tsunami tidal wave of revolution coming to the body of Christ. We are in a time I believe Sid of real apostolic and prophetic reformation and revolution in the body of Christ as things like… I’m not the only the one this thing, you know I’m catching the same wind that you are and many of men and women of God around the world are getting that are saying “God we’re doing things wrong, we’re not seeing the fruit.” What I’m sharing is just some of the little bits of insight that I’ve received and God is giving me more as I pray about this you know about how we’re supposed to be relating to one another all the time.

Sid: Howie, I must ask you a question.

Dr. Morgan: Sure.

Sid: Why do you keep referring to it as we are denying our Jewish roots, why don’t you just say what it is, Biblical roots?

Dr. Morgan: Right, well because I have a particular passion in my heart Sid that we get connected to our Biblical relationship and responsibility to the Jewish people. God spoke to me in a very profound way 15 years ago. Of course it’s absolutely our Biblical Jewish roots because we’re not talking about modern day Judaism, and modern day Orthodox, or Reform, or Liberal Judaism, we’re talking about our Biblical Jewish roots. We’re talking also about the Jewish people and the nation of Israel and being connected to the roots that then connect us to what God’s wanting to do with the nation of Israel.

Sid: You know Howie my question that I want to pose, and I want you Mishpochah to be kind of thinking about this. The call of the Jew was to be a light to the nations.

Dr. Morgan: Yes.

Sid: And we were, that’s why we have Christianity today. The call of the Gentile believer is to provoke the Jew to jealousy to reach the Jew so that the 2 can have the wall of separation come down and become that One New Race, that One New Man that Paul talks about. So that the full body can manifest in the glory of God can be poured out. So why wouldn’t the church want their Biblical Jewish roots, it makes no sense if the call is to reach the Jew why wouldn’t you want… I want you just to speculate on that. We’ll talk about this on tomorrow’s broadcast.