Sid: Mishpochah is a Hebrew word it means family and we’re the Mishpochah the family with a Jewish heart made up with Jewish and non-Jewish people. Why? Because the middle wall of separation has come down and these 2 have become something greater than it’s parts we’ve become what Paul calls the one new man the Body of Messiah. Why, because we are about ready to see the glory come to the church. We’re about ready to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. I tell you heaven is closer to earth at this moment than at any other time in history. And the Messiah has come to set the captives free, to open the prison doors but there are some areas in your life of compulsive habits, of smoke symptoms if you will of what’s really going on in your soul that you have buried so deep that you’re not really aware of it. And if you’re not free how can you set other people free and God is having you listen this week to get the tools from Craig Hill Founder of Family Foundations… Craig we were talking yesterday about how shame goes from generation to generation.

Craig: Right.

Sid: And you had a case with your own son he said a bad word, the teacher told you about it you turned all different shades of color you were embarrassed, you wanted to show her you were a man of God and you know how to discipline your son right in front of her. You were headed towards your son and you were arrested by the Holy Spirit what happened?

Craig: Yeah He stopped me right there Sid and He said “What are you doing?” And I said “I’m going to discipline my son.” And the Lord said “No, you’re not your going to shame him.” And I said “What do you mean Lord?” And He said “You’re going to connect his value to his works and you’re going to make him feel he’s worthless because of what he did.” And the Lord said “That’s not my attitude toward him he does need to be disciplined but he’s not worthless.” And the Lord said “The reason you’re doing that is because you feel so worthless on the inside as a Pastor and as a father.” And the Lord said “That is shame” and the Lord said “You’re going to have to deal with your own shame before you’re even qualified to be able to minister properly to your son.” And you know it took me an hour at home of allowing the Lord to open that up to me expose to me that feeling, that deep feeling on the inside of worthlessness, the lie that the enemy had put on the inside that because your son sad a bad word you’re a worthless father, you’re a worthless pastor, you have no value.” And the Lord said “That’s a lie and it’s deep rooted emotionally within you. The truth is I love you you’re my son; and you’re value doesn’t float up and down based on the behavior of a 4 year old.” And once I got a revelation on that on an emotional level and the Lord really spoke truth to me it set me free.” Which is what Jesus said of course in John chapter 8 verse :32 “You’ll know the truth and the truth will set you free.” And then when I was free inside then I was able to minister to my son and to share with him that was a bad word and that he did need some discipline he needed a spanking, he needed some correction. But he didn’t need me to make him feel worthless because he did that he needed me to let him know that I still loved him, that God loved him, that his destiny did not change, his value had not changed, but there was correction and discipline coming because of what he had done wrong. And I was able to do that and I know that that was an experience that sowed life into him rather than death, it sowed honor and glory into him rather than shame which was what the devil intention is.

Sid: You maintained that actually the opposite of shame is glory, what do you mean?

Craig: I really think that’s true. It says in Hebrews chapter 2 verse 7 speaking of man “Thou has made him a little lower than the angels, Thou has crowned him with glory and honor.” God intended for us to experience the feeling of honor and glory, glory of course is a feeling of great value. Shame is the opposite of feeling of great value it’s a feeling of worthlessness of having no value. So as we were talking you were talking just at the beginning of this broadcast that God is just about to pour out His glory upon this earth. Which is experiencing small measures of it, little tastes of it but there’s intense glory that’s coming that’s the intensity of the value of who God is and the value of who we are and what He paid for us by the blood of Messiah.

Sid: You know in your tape series you identify areas of shame that are actually hidden to many believers could you tell us a few.

Craig: Well so many times we don’t recognize that same really is the root of a lot of compulsive behavior, we don’t realize that we’re shaming other people when we’re connecting their value to their works. And so some of the areas that shame is imparted, well maybe I can share a little bit some of how shame get’s imparted because as you just alluded to it’s a hidden type of thing. Many times we’re shaming people around us, shaming people in our own family as a result of our own shame and don’t know it. I identified in the tapes 7 rules as it were in a shame based home. In other words, if you do these things this will identify shame. Many times people don’t realize it. Really if we start with rule number 0.

• Rule Number 0 is “There is a rule maker and the rule maker is always right.” In other words “I’m the father around here everybody does as I say.” Or maybe the grandmother or mother could be anybody.

But rule

• Number 1 is: “Always remain in control of all behavior, all feelings and circumstances.
• Rule Number 2: Better do everything right, always be right.
• Rule Number 3: is an interesting one when rules 1 and 2 fail and things do get out of control blame somebody. In other words never take responsibility if anything that doesn’t work blame somebody else in your life for things that don’t work.
• Rule Number 4: Deny everybody in the family any expression of personhood. In other words nobody gets to share feelings, thoughts, needs, desires, hopes, dreams. If you share any of those kind of things in a shame based family you’ll be ridiculed and told “You’re stupid, you’re foolish, you shouldn’t even think those things.”
• Rule Number 5: Always hide and maintain secrecy with anything that’s wrong. In other words we establish a vast appearance management system so that we make everything look okay on the outside even when things are not okay. And by doing that again we just retain all of the shame on the inside and continue to shame everybody else.

Sid: Would you say that someone that has to control every circumstance behind that is shame.

Craig: Always, always behind all of control is shame.

Sid: Could that have infected even the church from the pastor down?

Craig: You know what I think it does infest a lot of churches that where there’s a deep fear even on the inside of the pastor of things being out of control, things not working the way he wants…

Sid: So what happens if God wants to do something that Pastor has never seen before he’ll cut it off before it has a chance to manifest and show the fruit.

Craig: Absolutely, out of the deep seated fear on the inside that something might get out of control and that really is a manifestation and a symptom of shame needing to control everything to make sure everybody does things right, that everybody does what I want them to do. Because when shame is deep in the heart shame says “When something gets out of control that’s how I can get blamed, that’s how I can get hurt, that’s how somebody can make me feel worthless.” And so the way that I can keep everything in tact and I keep myself valuable is I just make sure I control everything and then nobody ever does anything that they’re not supposed to.

Sid: Let’s go back very briefly to your book “Bondage Broken.” You point out something that when you’re soul is out of peace and you don’t even know it you medicate it through watching television, through gossiping, through lying, through exaggerating, through criticizing, through addictions, through overeating, through sexual perversions. Explain that briefly.

Craig: Again the concept is simply this – those external things that we do we struggle with anger or impure thoughts or all of those things that you mentioned are really external symptoms they’re like smoke. They’re always emanating from a fire because the soul is out of peace. So when the mind, will and emotions are out of peace the flesh engages to try to bring a false comfort a false…

Sid: Even though your mind doesn’t know that your soul is out of peace your still by that smoke that’s the only way sometimes you can tell.

Craig: The way that you can tell is the external symptom of seeing the smoke observing that hey this is going on and again it’s not there for no reason it has a reason it has a reason. And beneath that soul being out of peace there’s always a deep rooted fear of some sort, that I’m not valuable. And again shame is really a type of fear, shame is a feeling I’m worthless, I’m of no value. And when that is working on the inside then people are going to do something that provided comfort. And again all we usually tell people to do is to try harder, pray more, read the word more all of which are good things, but they won’t set a person free. What a person needs in order to really be free is to interact with the Lord Jesus Christ allow Him really to identify the fuel from which that fire is emanating…

Sid: How would you like your city red hot for the Messiah? I don’t mean just your local church I mean your entire city. I mean how about well stretch your faith, how about your entire state? Well, stretch your faith how about the entire United States of America. Sound impossible? God says “All things are possible to those who believe.” I have on the telephone George Otis, Jr. the Head of the Centennial Group. I’m speaking to him at their offices in Lynnwood, Washington. They’re the producers of Transformation. George does investigative reporting of entire cities, or nations, that are being transformed. Not just a little revival here, a little outpouring and blessing there but entire cities that are transformed and changed.   Well my question is, if entire cities and nations are being transformed by the fastest growing religion in the world called Islam, whose god is not even the same… of the same magnitude as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob why can’t we believers that are true followers of the Living God have the faith to team up with God to pray this into being in our country? I mean do we have to just have a fatalistic type of view saying “Well, the United States isn’t mentioned in end time Bible prophesy it’s just going to be a third world country.” Or do we want to fight for our country, do we want to fight for our God, do we want to fight for our people? Well, George Otis says yes we can there are other countries that are doing this why can’t we. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about the nation of Uganda. George what happened there I mean most people know that you know the horrible situation the nation of Uganda was in with Idi Amin and it’s just the opposite today. Just real brief for those that are tuning in for the first time what’s it like today?

George: Well, Uganda’s not a perfect place and it’s important that we stress the fact that transformation is not a synonym of perfection but if you were to look at what Uganda was 20 years ago, 15 years ago and what it today you would be wondering if it was the same country. Uganda’s economy which had been broken and shattered to pieces during the conflicts under Idi Amin and his successor Milton Obote is now the third fastest growing economy in Africa. The HIV and AIDS epidemic which has been marching through the continent of Africa is being wrestled to the ground successful in Uganda today. We’re seeing church growth in this country that is absolutely off the charts. Just 1000’s and 1000’s of people coming into the kingdom of God. We’re seeing corruption political corruption being salted with great vigor. There’s even a new ministry there in the government called “The Ministry of Ethics and Integrity” headed by a woman named Miriam Matembe and I could go on and on and on about the things that have changed in that city. I know that the root of this is prayer; you will not find a country with more fervent prayer than Uganda. I went to back to back to back all night prayer meetings.

Sid: Now I know going to the former Soviet Union and Ukraine I see people that are willing to really pray all night.

George: Yeah.

Sid: I see people from which you’re telling from the nation of Uganda and in other countries that are willing to do it. I don’t see that much in the United States.

George: No as I said many times we’re not opposed to revival here we just want to pray for it in time slots that have already been set aside for religious observance. We are not willing to abandon ourselves to the process; we put up barrier around certain compartments of our life and we say “God you can speak to me on this side of the fence but not on that side, I will sit You on this room of my life but not in that one.” And in Uganda and up in the Canadian Arctic and in the city of Cali, Columbia, now in the nation of Fiji and Kiambu, Kenya in hundreds of other places where transformed revival is happening today people have place no limits on God. They’ve become so hungry, so desperate for the presence of God that they’ve abandoned themselves to the process. And as one Ugandan said “I’m going to seek the face of God and even if God doesn’t come I’d rather die seeking Him.” We are absolutely caught up in all kinds of lesser things with all kinds of shiny distracting toys in our western society. We’ve become as said a couple of days ago like the church at Laodicea and the church of Sardis that no longer realizes how far we’ve fallen off the mark.

Sid: But what’s going on now with the in the area of homosexuality, what is going on in the area of pornography, what is going on in the area of abortion, what is going on in the area of New Age, what is going on in the area of Islam invading our country. Isn’t that enough to cause people to say “Let’s lay down our differences and pray on a regular basis until God moves in this nation?”

George: Evidently, the unfortunate answer to that question is “No it isn’t.”

Sid: So what’s it going to take?

George: Well, there’s two ways that we can get desperate, one is by asking God to trouble us and to stir us into increase our appetite that are proven to attract his presence. The other way is that God in His mercy will trouble us from the outside through economic collapse, through removal of our peace or our prosperity so that we no longer have the same level of distractions that we had before. Now it doesn’t have to be that way, but if that comes we should understand that even if God isn’t causing these things He will allow them and He will allow them out of mercy to get us to the place where we will really call upon the one deliverer that’s capable of remedying our mess.

Sid: What happens with the dividing lines between denominations, dividing lines between charismatic and fundamental? In these other countries do these people come together and pray together?

George: You know I’m glad you asked that because one of the things that we have seen invariably in these transformation stories is a wonderful almost too good to be true unity amongst believers.

Sid: It’s got to be supernatural.

George: And it’s a… in the city of Cali, Columbia today we have one of the most marvelous examples of Biblical unity that you can imagine to the extent that a couple of years ago they had a large gathering of the people of God. The secular media came in to try to find, as Paul Harvey would say “The Rest of the Story” not believing that it was really this good. And when they couldn’t poke holes in the story they ended up with 4 full pages including the headline page in the cities newspaper El Pais talking about how the Christians in that city really loved one another. And I long for the day when I can pick up the Seattle times newspaper and read about the wonderful genuine extent of the unity of the Body of Christ there. We’re seeing the same thing in Fiji today where all of the denominations have come together under a kingdom umbrella called “The Association of Christian Churches in Fiji. And it’s Methodist, it’s Assembly of God, it’s Baptist, it’s Independent Charismatic all working in genuine affection and common cause realizing that they are one body and many members being jointly fitted together under the Head Jesus Christ to affect change. What happened in Fiji was interesting; the President and the great counsel of chiefs in that nation came to the Body of Christ and said “You know all of the problems that we’re seeing in our society the Ku De Ta and all of the economic problems, the violence; we believe that a lot of it stems from your disunity. And so the Church stung and chastened by this began to do a lot of soul searching “Why are these problems happening in our generation?” They pressed into God and realized that this was a prophetic word to them and they’ve gotten things taken care of and are now walking in genuine affection with one another. Most of us don’t know what real unity of Spirit is like we know only unity of faith or function which is more convenient than something that is rooted in a heart change. But God is capable of authoring this kind of supernatural unity it’s our inheritance and we need to walk in it and realize that pride is the main thing that keeps us a part.

Sid: What type of results are you getting from people that see the video “Transformation?”

George: Well probably within the first 6 months of the release of the first “Transformation Video” we had been contacted by about 1000 different towns and cities in the United States alone saying “We want to see this happen where we are.” Now we’re seeing this hunger spread all over the world, the videos have gone into 190 nations now; been viewed conservatively now by about 200 million people. And our ministry is modest in size and we are under, buried under many, many feet of snow. We have not been able as hard as we’ve been able to work to respond to the level of appetite, and hunger and interest…

Sid: George we’re out of time.

Sid: I have Rabbi Jonathan Cahn on the telephone and he is revealing the mystery of the Shemitah, a Biblical mystery that’s been affecting our world, our lives. It’s actually been affecting us from the very beginning of our lives. We’ve seen how it’s determined the rise and fall of the economy, the stock market, the crash on Wall Street even 9/11 but Jonathan says it’s even bigger than that. Tell us about it Jonathan.

Jonathan: Yeah, this mystery its not only now in the economic realm has been affecting that, but just as in the Bible that this thing actually was manifested in the year 586 BC that during the Prophet Jeremiah when Jerusalem was wiped out; the cities are wiped out you know all of this happens. Because the Bible says that it is linked to this mystery of the Shemitah. And we’re going to see today, we’ll look at one mystery of that which is called the mystery of the towers. And this is it goes back to the tower of Babel and that is that Genesis 11 they say “Let’s build this tower and make our name great!” And in Hebrew the word for tower is Micdoul and that comes from a Hebrew word Godoul which literally means greatness. So towers are linked to greatness, their linked to power and so they’re actually linked to pride as well. But the connection the Bible is that towers are about man trying to be great but they can actually mark the rising of a nation or a power and it can mark the falling of a nation or power. And now could this apply to America this mystery of the towers? And could it be linked to the Shemitah? Well here’s the thing up until the…in the 18 century up until you know the latter part the tallest buildings, towers of the world were all in Europe. But there was a change, in the year 1870 comes the greatest, the tallest tower in the world that is it is the first sky scraper. It is built on America soil literally built in New York City. This is the first time America built the highest tower in the world 1870. Well, could that be linked to the rising of America? Well the amazing this is that same year is marked as the beginning of America’s rise as the great industrial tower in the world. And the very next year which is the year 1871America over takes the British Empire and becomes the greatest economy on earth which it really has changed history up to this day. And so it all begins so the ancient mystery in the Bible is that tower is linked to greatness or power. So it actually marked the rising of America. Now if you go on from there what happens is that America from then on is building the highest towers on earth. And it goes on as America gets powerful and more and more powerful in the 20^th century it builds higher and higher towers. And when you get to the year 1930 and 31 you got this explorsion of towers; in this little period you have 4 towers that have the crown of the world’s largest, you know tallest building all in America. And the last one is the Empire State Building built in 1931. Well, here you have that going on as America is getting more powerful but at the same time the time that this happens is the year of the Shemitah. Now here it’s going to combine, you got the towers which are saying we’re getting higher and stronger it speaks about rising. And then you’ve got the Shemitah which speaks about humbling man, you know we’re not about pride, humbling and it speaks about falling and collapsing. Well, this mystery is going to go all the way up until our day because what happens is America after the war the Second World War it’s going to become the strongest, the greatest superpower on earth. And then in the same year that that happens 1945 they have an idea to build another tower. And this tower is going to represent America as the center of the world, it’s called the World Trade Center. 1945 is also the year of the Shemitah so here the world trade center, the towers are begun their conceived in the year of the Shemitah. They begin building it in 1966 it’s beginning, it happens to be the year of the Shemitah. It’s finished in 1973 which is the year of the Shemitah. It was built for 7 years, the 7 year cycle that’s the years of the Shemitah, the Biblical Shemitah which is about collapsing. And then finally moves forward and you get to 2001 and the tower is destroyed in the year of the Shemitah. What is the mystery of this thing? Well here is the thing is that again towers, now think about 911, towers are speaking of you know the nation is great, we are great we made a name for ourselves we are rising. But the Shemitah is humbling the nation, it’s speaking of collapse. In fact when you read in the Bible about the days of judgment you read again and again it speaks about the judgment about the high towers because God is humbling a nation. And so you have September 11^th the tower collapse and at the same time Wall Street collapses. This is the 2 interesting mysteries of the Shemitah that not only are you collapsing the economic realm it’s literally collapsed towers. And so you have this happening at the same time and at the same moment the era where America was building the highest towers on earth comes to an end in the year 2000. And we have so far been eclipsed. So here now get to the prophetic, what does this mean. If the rising of the highest towers on earth speak of the rising of a power, a great power America’s rise what does the falling of the tower represent. Well what it would represent prophetically it’s a warning of the fall of America. And it’s a warning of not only the fall of the economy but of the American age as we know it. And on top of that all after 9/11 America said “We’re going to build yeah another tower and this time we’re going to rise higher and higher and this other tower that is still going up Sid and this is also linked to the mystery of the Shemitah, this tower is one of the harbingers of judgment. And it most likely will be finished in the Shemitah that’s coming upon us very soon.

Sid: Now what is happening at ground zero right now?

Jonathan: Right now this tower has eclipsed the tower that they’re building which and remember for those that know the harbinger or those that don’t this tower corresponds with what happened in the last days of Israel when Israel said “We’re going to rebuild higher and stronger after this attack.” And it ended up sealing their destruction. Well this tower at ground zero, this tower is being finished and it’s the same thing it said “We will rebuild, we’re going to grow stronger and bigger and higher.” And what’s happening is this is…it’s eclipsed the Empire State Building and it actually eclipsed the building on the date that was written in the Harbinger before it happened. So it’s really fulfilling this thing and that tower at that tower things have continued to happen some of the harbingers we spoke about that have continued since the book have happened concerning that harbinger. In a sense that’s the last of the 9 harbingers. It came into existence when America’s leaders on Capitol Hill actually pronounced this ancient vow of judgment, this is Isaiah 9:10 “That we will rebuild…” Well, it’s actually the epitome of this vow of defiance. And nobody know exactly when it will be finished but it could very likely be finished within this coming year which will mean that it will be the year of the Shemitah. I would…we were going to talk about the future I would keep my eyes on that because this is a tower of defiance and with Israel it actually brought destruction.

Sid: I have a question for you Jonathan. Do you feel almost like an Old Covenant prophet with the mystery of the Shemitah as you proclaim it?

Jonathan: Well, I feel…I just feel humbled by…

Sid: I know the humble business and I understand that but I feel you’re being just like an Old…you’re being like a Jeremiah. I mean the revelation you have no human could get that it has to come from God.

Jonathan: Well, I wasn’t looking for it Sid and I was literally standing at the corner of ground zero and when I saw one of these harbingers I didn’t know what it was and something said there’s a mystery there. And from that moment it was like everything was…I was led to see and find everything. I mean when I needed something the next thing was to happen somebody would say the word or something would appear. So I know…feel that this thing was being led and at every moment it was like when I started writing literally Sid the book wrote itself. I’d never written a book the Harbinger wrote itself. And now the Shemitah, by the way the Shemitahs just finished in a month and a half of doing it on the road it just happened the same way as “The Harbinger” it just came right through and I hardly had to do anything.

Sid: I really believe and if people don’t understand the message that you have “The Mystery of the Shemitah” and especially the combination of the teaching seminar that you did and we have an exclusive on it this is only place you can get these 7 CD series called “The Mystery of the Shemitah” it’s covering material not in the book. But you need the book so therefore we’re going to give it to you free. We’re going to give the book free to you if you buy this 7 CD’s teaching series which we have an exclusive on… Let me tell you the things that are not in the book that are in the series that are vital, you really need both of these. That’s why we’re bonusing the book to you. The sign and sealing of God’s judgment against America very precise the mystery of what’s coming to the world. The Elijah strategy, in order to stand in view of what’s coming; I mean you don’t even have to be a prophet to see how quickly America is deteriorating; I mean it’s deterioration right before our very eyes it’s so scary. I just read in the newspaper one of the largest mangers of a mutual fund in America said “What is going on with our Federal Reserve the decisions they’re making we were coming out of our recovery but now it seems that every decision is forcing us to go lower and lower we’re headed towards a big depression.” Everything is talking about this right now….

Sid: Jonathan in a nutshell what is the mystery of the Shemitah?

Jonathan: The Shemitah is a…was a 7^th year that God gave to Israel and He said “You’re going to rest and it was just a Sabbath year on the last day of that year called Elul 29 if the Shemitah builds up to it’s climax and all financial counsel wipes away it’s like the great day of nullification Elul 29 everything is wiped away. Well, it’s to be a blessing but when Israel turned away from God what happens is the Shemitah becomes a key sign of judgment that is turned away from God. And what we are seeing is that this pattern that God gave has been actually or this mystery actually has been operating in all of our lives from the day that you were born and has affected our pocketbooks, it affected the economy, it has affected the stock market and has affected as we said “the rise and the fall of towers.” And we’re going to see in this one that it’s so big it’s affected the entire world and even has determined the rise and fall of towers, kingdoms, empires and is affecting the rise and fall of America.

Sid: Okay, give me some specifics.

Jonathan: Okay, well remember Sid to that in the Bible that we use the word, I mentioned the year 586 BC and that’s the year when this Shemitah comes as a judgment to Israel wipes away everything a time of Jeremiah. Well in order for that to happen it was Babylon that came and wiped the city away, Babylon had to rise as a empire. And then the Bible says that it’s going to last until Persia rises, because when Persia they take over Babylon and then the Jewish people return back to the land. So the Shemitah get what this means it’s even back then is affecting the rising of empires, the falling of empires. Now we’re going to just look at the last few in the modern time here’s the Shemitah. We are at the year 1917; now remember one of the things that it means is falling and it means shaking and it means collapse. And it could mean the collapse of nations; 1917 is a year of one of the greatest falls or shaking of the world, shaking of nations in world history it’s the first World War and the Shemitah means collapse like a power. What happens in that war the cause of the war you have the collapse of the German Empire the Second Rite, you have the collapse of the Austria-Hungarian Empire, you have the collapse of the Ottoman-Turkish Empire. That had been for centuries old and you have the collapse of the Russian Empire all of that happening in this same period and some of them are century old powers all collapse. And the key that really caused the war to end the way that it did and with at least 3 of the 4 collapses were 1917. Because that was the year that America enters the war and so 1917 is the year of the Shemitah. Not only is it the year of the fall of all of these powers but in a shaking of a world but it’s also a beginning of America’s rise to a world super power. When you look at the historian they’ll sight the year 1917 not because they know it’s a Shemitah but because that’s what it is. But because that’s the beginning that’s when America got on the stage and ended up from that war it became the greatest creditor our nation in the earth; it became the financial center in the world, shifted from Britain to America to New York City, it begins the America’s rise. So you got the falling of the nations with the Shemitah and you have the rising of the nations in the deal. So that’s 1. Now what happens if you go 4 Shemitah’s forward and I’ll tell you whenever it’s a 4 is the number 4 is linked to kingdoms, empires, the 4 kingdoms of Daniel, the 4 horns of Zachariah. If you go…

Sid: Then now, now excuse me when you say you’re going 4 Shemitahs forward that means 7 years 4 times is that what you’re saying?

Jonathan: Exactly, okay that brings you to the year 1945. What is that again the Shemitah, year of collapse, of shaking, what happens in 1945? You’re right at the peak of the II World War. The other global cataclysm we’re not just talking economies, we’re not just talking economies because this isn’t just affecting the economy it’s affecting the entire earth. And the thing is here you know and each time you have the wiping away of the powers, the wiping away of the kingdoms at each point. Well here’s the thing Hitler began his conquest of Europe in 1938 with attacking joining Austria to attacking Czechoslovakia. Well 1938 was the year of the Shemitah it goes for 7 years; that period went for 7 years it ends in 1945 so the entire thing begins and ends in the cycle of the Shemitah, the Holocaust. The fateful years is called 1938 the year of crstaloff and the first deportations. That begins in 1938 the year of the Shemitah, ends 1945 at the ending of the Shemitah. As you get to the end of II World War the entire earth is shaking now. Do you get the end it’s the summer of 1945 and the Shemitah is heading to its climatic end. Really speeds up to the end well what happens then is that you know it’s leading up to this day of nullification. Well in the month that it reaches to this day of wiping away the world enters the atomic days. The atomic bomb is dropped, you literally have the greatest power of nullification wiping away and coming to the end of the war. And the year up finally ends actually Japan says that they’re going to surrender August 15 and then they surrender on August 2^nd with the very last week of the seven year period of the Shemitah as it builds to its crescendo and the armies the notorious armies have this parade, this precession celebrating the end and the day that they have it you know Russia, America, in Berlin the day is Elul 29 the very end of the Shemitah the 7^th year period. In America this Shemitah brings America to the heights of it’s power, I mean it’s the most powerful nation really in history through the Shemitah. The entire world economic order is now begun in 1945 it’s called Britain Woods and it all centers around America. Well, here we have the height, we have the fall of nations and we have another rise of nations. What happens if we go another 4 Shemitahs that would be 7 periods, 4 periods of 7 — 28 years. And we end up in the year 1973. Shemitah means 3, Shemitah can mean the fall of a nation, this is a pivotal year in America because this is the year that America ruled the Supreme Court in January rules to basically to the killing of unborn children. Now for this sin basically Israel was destroyed. Well, it happens in January…

Sid: Now, just so people understand this Jonathan when you say Israel was destroyed they used to sacrifice babies to false gods which in affect wouldn’t the god of convenience be just equivalent to a false god? Which is why most woman have abortions?

Jonathan: Exactly Sid, I mean exactly that’s it. We are one of the Harbingers, one of the Shemitah’s is that we are retracing what Israel did in its days of destruction exactly. And that’s why 1933 is this turning point and also the same year 1933 America loses it’s first war in the year of the Shemitah it all happens it collapses. In Vietnam we lose our first war and by the way the date that we lost the last…Vietnam it was August 15 that was the anniversary of August 15^th when we won World War II the same thing. And on the Shemitah and you know the year of the Shemitah.

Sid: Now out of curiosity Jonathan when we took prayer out of school was that connected to the Shemitah?

Jonathan: Yeah, well that was the setting of the stage that was the beginning of our early 60’s and begins this turning away from God step by step absolutely correct. But then when you reach this point that it’s led America to do exactly what Israel did and kill its own babies that becomes exact thing yes. And then that same year of that fall comes the World Trade Center is completed which is supposed to be a monument of how great America is it marks the years that America was killing it’s children. So it’s a shame at the same time it’s supposed to be a glory. And if you move one more cycle forward 28 years 4 Shemitahs you get to the year 2001 when again you have the collapse of that tower, you have this completion you have from America’s height in 1945 to its first defeat and then you have the enemy comes to American soil. These are warnings of what is coming and what’s happening Sid is that this mystery of the Shemitah is getting more and more intense, the last 2 Shemitah’s was 9/11 and the greatest collapse and then 2008 the other greatest collapse. It’s happening more precisely than ever before, it’s happening you know more intensely so therefore what that points to is we are in danger of judgment.

Sid: Okay, so that begs the question just a sentence or two what is the 7^th Shemitah?

Jonathan: Okay and I think that we could do it tomorrow but I’ll just mention but there’s a whole other mystery but it’s all from the Shemitah. The 7^th Shemitah leads into the Jubilee and so this mystery begins in the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and goes all the way to our day and they even point to what’s coming now.

Sid: ……

Sid: I told you Mishpochah that when I got back from Israel I believe God has shown me something. I believe that there is going to be a wave, that’s what I’m going to call it, a wave of the Holy Spirit that’s going to have a major impact on the land of Israel. And when this wave hits there going to be young Jewish Israeli sabras, native born Israelis, that God is going to raise up that are going to be like Paul the Apostles just fiery evangelists and take that ancient mantle that was given to the Jewish people by God in the scriptures to be a light to the Gentiles. And these Jewish believers are going to take that ancient mantle and they’re going to turn this world upside down. I was so excited by what I saw, but I also found something out; when I was in Israel I visited with a friend of mine Bob Fischer in Tiberias and I read his book Full Circle. And in this book I found out things I had no way of every knowing that are in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So for starters Bob would you explain what the Dead Sea Scrolls are?

Bob: Yes Sid they were recordings of some of the books of the Bible and some of the theological understandings of a group of Jews that were called Essenes that lived in Qumran the shores of the Dead Sea. These were written down beginning in 250 BC all the way up to the time of Yeshua…

Sid: But because they were in a cave because many of them were miraculously preserved all of these years.

Bob: It’s quite amazing in fact they were found in 11 different caves between the period of 1947 and 1956.

Sid: Well the thing that I don’t understand is according to your book there are about 375 that are potentially very important manuscripts. But of the 375 that are potentially very important only 175 of them have been translated or even studied to any degree. Why is it taking so long?

Bob: Because Sid unfortunately they were discovered over a period of time at a very unorganized manner by one group of Arab explorers after another that happened upon them. And point of fact we don’t really know how many scrolls there are. These are the ones that are more or less accounted for, there were probably many others.

Sid: Something so important, so earthshaking literally for believers in the Messiah and non-believers alike some of the information that you put in your book “Full Circle” it’s so fascinating it’s almost unbelievable. I imagine that there must be a lot of other bomb shells in these Dead Sea Scrolls.

Bob: Absolutely, you know there’s something like that there were thousands literally thousands of fragments that turned to dust and blew away. There’s a story of one scroll that was bought by the Arabs that found it to a CIA agent in the American Embassy in Beirut, and I think it was Beirut. And they took it up on the roof and unrolled it and it was in a high wind. They were attempting to photograph this important scroll, or at least the potentially important scroll and the wind came along and blew off fragments of this thing. And so ultimately the thing was destroyed in the hands of an America CIA agent. You know of course he didn’t do it intentionally but these are kinds of tragedies that are associated with this. The pictures that were taken of the limited pieces of it have vanished forever also. So here’s a potentially vitally important document that just vanished. Well these things were battered about; they were in the hands of a number of secular and church organizations that were throughout the world. There’s little or no coordination with respect of their management, or their translation, or their handling…

Sid: Listen just what you know and you put in your book I’ve got to make my Mishpochah aware of them. On yesterday’s broadcast we talked about Judaism at the time that Jesus came into the body to earth was in basically 3 groups. There were and 2 of them we’re very familiar with one we’re not that familiar with. The Sadducees, the Pharisees we’re familiar with because they’re mentioned in the New Testament, but the Essenes most people are not that familiar with. The Sadducees as you explained only believe in the first 5 books in the Old Testament. They weren’t into the supernatural, they weren’t into life after death, and they were really the politicians of the day. They in fact the majority of the Sanhedrin the ruling body in Israel were members of the Sadducees. Then the second group you explained were the Pharisees. The Pharisees tell me, go over again a bit about them.

Bob: The Pharisees had an understanding of the God head that God was an indivisible unity and that He was involved in human affairs and was interested. But they certainly didn’t have a triune understanding like the Essenes had. But they also believed that the canon of scripture included the entire Old Testament. But in addition to they believed that the oral law that was written down in the form of the Talmud which is the whole oral law. And also later in the Mishnah which is an abbreviation of the Talmud. And equal weight is given to the oral law along with the written Torah. So this oral law was handed down in according to their understanding by God to Moses on Mt. Sinai. And they also had a view of heaven and hell. But a rather strange view, they believed in a reincarnation for those that were not righteous would have gone to heaven and those that were unrighteous would go to hell. And those in between some place would be given another shot at it through reincarnation through another body.

Sid: They also believed according to your book they believed that they’d be resurrected someplace near the temple in Jerusalem. And if they weren’t buried there really what they believed that they would roll under the earth so they could be resurrected. So they could be resurrected so they could roll under the earth from where ever they were to Jerusalem.

Bob: Yeah, so that accounts for the tremendous number of graves on Mount Olives you know it’s just one great big cemetery with grave and top of gravel And the reason for that is the belief system was that they would be resurrected but only from there, only from the Temple Mount.

Sid: Must be the most valuable real estate property in the world.

Bob: It is but they also believed that at the end of days at the time of resurrection that their bodies would literally roll along under the earth and ultimately arrive at the Temple Mount and be resurrected from that point along with everybody who had actually been buried there.

Sid: Okay, now where did they get this belief against the triune nature of God or the Trinity?

Bob: They just came up with it I would think that Rambam came later of course but Rambam codified the whole thing in his 13 principals of the Jewish faith, there’s 13 articles of the Jewish faith.

Sid: Well that’s where really got stuck but they came up with that you say even before Maimonides’s or Rambam.

Bob: Oh yeah they came up with that even before the time of Yeshua but it came to an organized belief system about the time of Yeshua.

Sid: Okay, now the ones that we really want to feature on this interview this week are the Essenes.

Bob: Yes.

Sid: Now most people have never even heard of the Essenes; who were they?

Bob: Well let me get back to the reason why they haven’t heard of Essenes because the scriptures basically ignored the Essenes. There are 88 references in the New Testament to the Pharisees and 14 of the Sadducees and 62 of the Scribes which are probably either one of the 2 sects.

Sid: But you say that the majority of the Jewish people were part of the Essene group at the time of Yeshua.

Bob: Even though you know, even though the Essenes were first to embrace Yeshua; even thought there is amble evidence to show that they seamlessly transitioned into the first body of Jewish believers; Even though the Pauline theologies are written all over the New Testament that are really mere image of what Essenes believed and wrote about in their…

Sid: That was the most fascinating thing I read in your book. I mean I read things in your book that Jesus said in the New Testament yet they were dated pre-Jesus.

Bob: That’s right but even so, even despite all of these incredible things there’s not a single mention of the Essenes in either the Old or the New Testament.

Sid: And how come?

Bob: Or even a hint that they ever existed. I would have to say it was a supernatural interference of a spiritual nature. You know it was a spiritual thing, it was a spiritual warfare block. It was only for us to find out as we’re entering in the end of days the truth is being revealed in a progressive sort of way like an onion being peeled back layer, one layer at a time.

Sid: Here’s the thing Mishpochah these Essences had a Messianic expectation and Jesus fulfilled their complete expectation. And so as you point out in the book and I was never aware of it the majority of the first followers of Jesus came from the Essenes.

Bob: Actually all of the first followers of the Essenes, I say all but there’s obvious an odd 1 or 2. But the first 120 that we read about in the book of Acts were obviously Essenes, they were Nazarene Essenes.

Sid: Okay before Jesus came to earth what were their basic beliefs that caused them to recognize He was the Messiah?

Bob: Well they were… with respect to Messianic expectations let me get back to the basic belief system here to begin with. You know in the same way that we approach the Sadducees and the Pharisees let’s look at first of all their understanding of the Godhead.

Sid: By the way Bob has brilliant charts in his book comparing the three different groups within Judaism and what their belief was. Okay, go ahead now what does the Essenes believe?

Bob: God is from their point of view it was a clearly Triune God and the misunderstanding according to legend had been handed down as an oral tradition that had been given my Yahweh to Abraham as early as 1850 B.C.E. Now it’s well documented that this Triune understanding was being taught and extensively by the Rabbis’ in 515 B.C.E. and it was ultimately recorded in writing in 200 C.E. in at least 2 sacred books.

Sid: Now when you say C.E. that’s the same as A.D.

Bob: A.D. yes.

Sid: It’s so fascinating to see what the Dead Sea scrolls reveal in subjects such as predestination, grace, the Triune nature of God, the Trinity, the Deity of Jesus. What were the first followers like? Fascinating research that will put meat on the bones of much of what you read in the New Testament…