Sid: If you’re not red hot now what are you waiting for? This is the time; did you say “I’ll be red hot in heaven?” Well, let me tell you of course you’ll be red hot in heaven but we need you red hot right now. And if you’re just a lukewarm Christian you ought to see what Jesus says about you in the book of Revelation. “He’ll vomit you out of His mouth” the only option is red hot. Some people say “Well oh that persons a fanatic.” No that person is normal, everyone else is abnormal. “But I want to conform to other people I don’t want to stand out.” Well, you don’t want to stand out you stand out for the devil if you don’t stand out. You know what I’m saying “The only way that you can stand up for God is to stand out. Well, I have a man that stand out his name is Chuck Pierce and I’m interviewing him on a book that I told him I wanted to change the title. I want to call it “Worship Wars” because we really are at war right now. But I’m speaking to Chuck Pierce at his office in Denton, Texas. And Chuck there’s a concept that I have not really focused in before and your book really focuses in this area and it has to do with ascending explain that.

Chuck:   Well, it’s so great to be with you again Sid and it was great meeting you in Israel in the midst of a war season in God’s covenant land. I mean actually it will intensify in the days ahead but when we’re grafted into God’s covenant plan and we’re grafted into Abraham’s blessing all of a sudden what we find ourself in the same war in the earth realm that God is joining in to bring forth His covenant blessings today with. And so one of the things I made a statement after 9/11 I said “This is the season that it’s a war season.” It’s a time for war, we find that in Ecclesiastics and I said “The only way that we’re going to win this war is to ascend and worship and descend and war.” Now the Lord actually spoke this to me Sid He said “Ascend into My throne room as you worship and then descend back to the harvest field and war for its release; I’m ready for the harvest to come into My Kingdom.” And so it makes you wonder how does ascending in worship and descending in war work? Well, ascending think of Jacobs ladder you mentioned that yesterday. Think of Jacob’s ladder, if Jacob had an open, he saw the angels ascending and descending; it established God’s presence in the earth realm in a peculiar way. Well, to ascend means to arise, now if you’re listening out there I love Isaiah 60 it says “Arise shine for your light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.” Arise from the oppression and the depression that has held you down. So when we start worshipping our spirit starts coming into its position in heaven. The word ascend also means to climb, it means to come up. And I love this it means to grown, it means to increase, it means to leap. I mean the Lord can bring such joy into our life when we start worshiping that our spirit leaps. Elizabeth, John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth’s womb and when he recognized Mary in the midst of Elizabeth carrying the Messiah. The same thing happens with us and also the word ascend means to recover and restore. And so really the issue about ascending is we come to this place where we’re worshipping God and we’re really communing with Him our faith level rises. And “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The word comes alive to us and all of a sudden our spirit begins to leap and we know God’s plan for our life.

Sid: You talk in your book about the Second heaven and the third heaven; is there a problem that most people never breakthrough that second heaven which is Satan’s realm to get into the throne room?

Chuck: Well, I think most of us live down here in the first heaven actually.

Sid: So first heaven is like earth?

Chuck: It’s like the atmosphere above earth. See Satan we find in Ephesians is the prince of the power of the air so what Satan will do is he will invade the structures of society to conform our mind to the way society thinks. That’s what Romans 1 and 2 is about. But when we begin to worship God we break out of that conforming power of the earth around us we break out of the conforming power of the way the world thinks. All of a sudden our spirit starts rising into that position God’s given in the heavenlies seated next to the Father. Our feet begin to instead of being bogged down in the earth realm your feet gets planted on the enemies head, you quit thinking the same way that the enemy’s thinking and you move forward. Now what happens is that it’s just easy to see first, second, third heaven. You go through an atmosphere where Satan is controlling a structure, that’s the best way to look at it. You break out of the thinking process of that atmosphere and then you ascend into the throne room and while you’re there the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ starts communicating to us. You’ve been given access to come boldly into the throne room and you can know the mind of Christ.

Sid: But why is it Chuck that so many of us seem to have distractions to taking the time to worship.

Chuck: I love and one of the things I don’t know if you remember but in this book I write about the distractions I call them “worship distracters.” There’s so many things in this realm that we life that distract us from God, we quit thinking like Him, we don’t mediate on Him. I was telling you a key to my life is meditation where I’m really thinking on what God is saying.

Sid: Give me one specific example of how you might meditate.

Chuck: Well, I’ll get up and I’ll set my mind on Christ. I usually I’ll tell the Lord how much I love Him, hallow it be His name. I exalt Him for who He is but then what I’m going to do I’m going to start communicating with Him through His word. He’s written us a book if we’ll just get that and start talking to Him. During that time there’s certain times there’s things He’s having me pray for. There’s other things He wants to communicate to me His heart over to pray for. While I’m doing that I will see a scripture will illuminate to me. Well in just in singing to Him I talk about the air in this book and the sound of worship. And by singing to Him and worshipping Him and talking to Him all of a sudden I mean communicating with Him He impresses things on me and I know what to do. And I start pondering those things and then before the end of the day is out I have wisdom. Because I want to say something to us we forget this verse Sid, He tells us if we ask for wisdom we’ll get wisdom. He won’t withhold it from us.

Sid: So why is it so many people say “Okay, I’m not double minded I want wisdom” and they don’t get it.

Chuck: Well, it’s because we’re absorbed in our own way of thinking. We’re really a very independent people and we’re not dependent upon God.

Sid: And that’s actually idolatry isn’t it.

Chuck: It is it’s a form of idolatry I’d have to say one of the life changing scriptures of my life also is in James chapter 4 were it says “Submit yourself to God, resist the devil and then he’ll flee.” See so it takes those are both active words, submit means to stand underneath. Now most of us don’t equate submission to standing, but the word actually in the Greek means to stand underneath. And then when it says to resist or withstand it means to stand against. And what happens to us is most of us never stand underneath God under the shadow of His wings and then we can’t ever resist our enemy. And it takes both dynamics and then the word of God says the enemy will flee. You’ll draw near to God, He’ll draw near to you and you’ll be one and you’ll know how to move forward.

Sid: What are we going to do on tomorrow’s broadcast will you pray for our people?

Chuck:   I would love to spend time praying, communicating a few truths to them, things that might be hindering them and touching God and then praying for them.   And then let’s just let the Holy Spirit move and He perhaps will tell us some things specifically we need to pray about. If I got just a moment we were just in a meeting in Texas last week and many of you know we’ve been in this war in Iraq and worship was so dynamic. And in the dynamic aspect of worship all of a sudden I felt like I was in heaven and Pastor Dutch Sheets was up there and many of you know him through his book “Intercessory Prayer.” Was up there speaking and all of a sudden I knew that while we were worshiping I knew that while we were in San Antonio. And the Spirit of God said “The war in Iraq will turn within a week.” Well, all I could do which I had the liberty to do was to get up and communicate what God was saying and then He said, “Tell them that the strongman will be found.”

Sid:
And that was of course a month ago and we’re talking about the guy that was in the bottom of a hole “Saddam Hussein.”

Chuck:   And he was an enemy to God’s covenant plan in the earth realm. I’m going to tell you something if you worship God can find your enemy. Many times we get snared by our enemies, we can’t find our enemies, we can’t find what the enemy was doing. Pull aside and submit to God and resist the devil and He will give you revelation of where your enemy is, He’ll intervene on your behalf.

Sid: We don’t have time to go into it but your wife had a tremendous healing with you she was able to have a child. And actually oil went through her veins?

Chuck: She felt like hot oil was being poured through her veins. Of course we were in a denominational church and from the time God set me free from 18 and seriously after I was 24 which I shared earlier in this program I became just an avid seeker of God and a avid worshipper. And Pam was more resistant and when she started worshiping the Spirit spoke this to me He said “The new song will break the old cycle.” And she had never had a normal cycle in our time of marriage that had been over 10 years a normal monthly cycle. And when she shifted into a new form of worship God healed her right there and this is a recorded healing. John Wimber was ministering, this was in January…

Sid: She had endometriosis.

Chuck: She had endometriosis, the Lord intervened not…

Sid: Mishpochah tomorrow is going to be hot….

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, she’s been a guest several times on It’s Supernatural, is Joan Hunter. Now Joan, I have to tell you, we get more responses of people that have had miracles on her show than any other. But she tells me she is moving in some outrageous miracles. Now hold on to your seats. Put the seatbelt on. She tells me now it’s eight breasts have grown back on women. You heard me. Eight breasts have grown back on women. All right. It’s a perfect life, pastor’s life, four beautiful daughters. Everything is going good. Her husband exposes himself. He’s a homosexual. She finds this out for the first time. She is left homeless, penniless. And then a few days after the divorce she gets a death sentence from a doctor: breast cancer, two years to live. Here’s what I want you to do, Joan. There are people watching us right now that have death sentences or have loved ones that have had death sentences. Walk me through what happened to you. Take me from the sonogram.

JOAN: Well you’re laying on the examining table, you know, laying flat. Well, all of a sudden you get that, you see, the cancer there on the screen.

SID: Did you really see it?

JOAN: Oh yeah. I had him turn it so I could see it.

SID: I don’t know if I’d like to look at it.

JOAN: I didn’t, we really didn’t expect anything. And I’m like, oh, that’s not good. I mean, it was just very dark and stuff. And I’m laying there like this and I’m like, I’m like in a coffin. I’m like in a position for the coffin, which is exactly what happens when people get diagnosed with cancer, because it’s known as the “Big C”. Christ is the Big C, not cancer. Yes. Hallelujah. So I’m laying there and I’m like, oh Lord, you know, and you know, all these things are flashing. It’s like my girls have been through enough, they don’t need to worry about planning my funeral. So I’m laying there and I’m envisioning what I’m going to wear, this, that and the other, etc.

SID: Whoa. You know too much.

JOAN: I know that. I didn’t last too long.

SID: You were raised by the Happy Hunters.

JOAN: Right.

SID: But still, when that fear, and that’s what it was.

JOAN: It’s reality, in the natural, our natural mind goes right to the grave.

SID: You know, it’s one thing to teach it. It’s another thing to live it.

JOAN: And that’s why I love writing and teaching about how I’ve lived it, walked it out and got healed, and everybody can get healed. And so I’m laying there because this is what the enemy will do. He’ll try to, because of television, because of news articles, because friends that have died of cancer and different things, all this fear, you have an opportunity, all this fear comes on. And I’m sitting there and I’m like, what am I thinking? I’m like, boom, boom! I’m slapping myself while I’m laying there and I’m like, no, I’m gonna live and declare the works of the Lord. This day I choose life. I choose life, I choose life, I choose life. And I am going to live and not die, and declare the works of the Lord. And you know what? I am right here today still declaring the works of the Lord of my healing. Hallelujah.

SID: So let every man be a liar, but God’s Word is true, and God just told me, and His Word is true, if you have a pain in your neck, at home, studio audience, move your head, you’ll see that the pain is gone. Now while we’re at it, if you’ll stand up. If you have a backache, stand up in the studio audience. Stand up at home. Please do this right now. And so only the back row, they have backaches. What’s the matter? Okay. Good. Now bend over. Touch your neck. Check your neck. Move your head. Touch your neck, everything, even if you don’t have a problem. No, I’m just teasing. All right. Wave at me if the symptom is gone. Wave at me. Oh, I see one wave, two waves, three waves, four waves, five waves. I feel like an auctioneer. Five people got healed just now and how many thousands at home? Okay, Joan, take me back.

JOAN: Okay. So here I am laying there. Been through a horrendous time two days before with the divorce, not knowing what to do and I’m like, I can’t tell my girls. They’ve just been devastated. So I call my parents and I say, “This is what’s been diagnosed. I need you to come into agreement with me. Let’s pray on the phone.” So I lay hands. They agree with me on the phone and then at that point, a little bit later on in the evening I go, I take a shower and I say, “God, you know, I can live without a breast. I can live with different things, you know, and so forth and so on, but I can’t live with this broken heart.” And I said, “God, you know, I’ll serve you, I’ll declare your words, but,” I said, “I need help.” And I said, “God, I need you to heal my heart.” And long story, short, He healed me of depression, He healed me of a broken heart, of trauma and all these other things, and betrayal, unforgiveness, you know, a whole list of things. Worry was the main thing that I believe opens the door for breast cancer. And I’m just, and I was like, okay God, and praying and thinking, and I could feel the heaviness of the trauma leaving the heaviness of the betrayal and unforgiveness, and different things like that leaving. And so you know, I’m going back. We’re doing, you know, the final step before surgery, chemo, radiation, whatever, and talked to him about it. And so we go and they’re like, “Something happened in here. This is your x-ray from before. This is your x-ray today. Your social security numbers match up, but the pictures don’t match up at all.” But God supernaturally healed me. And the thing that’s so neat, hallelujah.

SID: I mean, remember, she saw that darkness of the x-ray. She was given two years to live. Go ahead.

JOAN: And then at that point I realized that I got the greater revelation of dealing with the root causes, not just with the cancer, but what brings on, what opens the door for sickness.

SID: You know what I want to find out? I want to find out how you heal a broken heart. We’ll be right back.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be worshippers of God. We want the marriages in our churches, in Messianic Jewish Congregations to provoke the world to jealousy. And right now there doesn’t seem to be much of a difference between marriages in the church and marriages outside of the church. We’re coming into the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in all history and He wants your marriage to be what He has instructed to be. He wants it to be heaven on earth, He doesn’t want mutual toleration society, He doesn’t want divorce, He doesn’t want a weak… How important a man and woman in ministry is it for them to have a solid marriage? How important is it for a someone with working in the market place and considers themselves to be a good Christian to have a solid marriage? I’ve got on the telephone Pastor Gary Whetstone and Gary is Pastor of Victory Christian Fellowship in New Castle, Delaware. He’s President of the Gary Whetstone Worldwide Ministries which has founded over 207 Bible Schools worldwide. He’s been teaching marriage seminars of which I have 6 cassettes in a binder with a workbook called “What God Has Joined together” ….How important Gary Whetstone is a man’s wife if the man has a mega ministry, and is on television and wandering around the US, or the man is a head of a corporation, or he’s involved in all of these other activities where does the wife fit in in priority?

Gary: One of the things Sid that I think is very critical when we’re talking about husband and wife in relationship and that has to back to the Biblical basis of God called man and that God called woman. If you’re going to ask how does a woman integrate into a man’s life to bring forth the highest degree of fulfillment? First we must understand the creation of man. The gender of the male is the physiological and in the spiritual dimension originating out from God Himself. Man is an initiator, man is literally as a genius he is a creator that’s why Jesus had to come as a man and could not be a woman. Because the woman came from the man himself and her intrinsic quality and commitment is just like it says she is a woman. One that receives the seed of the future, one that takes the initiated plan, one that takes the future goals and objectives and she brings it into her life to incubate, to literally formulate and to assist in bringing that into fruition. I have found that when a man understands the nature of a man, and the Biblical understanding of relationship in marriage, and he understands the makeup of the woman Biblically there becomes a tremendous level of appreciation, value, honor, and esteem that man gives to the woman. It’s just like the scripture in John chapter 8 verse 31 and 32 Jesus said to those Jews that believed on Him that “If you continue in my word then are you my disciples in deed. And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” Many people only take a few sentences in the Bible and they try to build an entire life off of a few scriptures and that is ludicrous. The Bible says that you have got to continue, you begin on a path of revelation and you do not quit until you experience the freedom that’s in that revelation. That’s what I as a man, as a husband, as a father, as a Pastor in a church now, and the world Missionary Evangelist going and penetrating nations with the word is that there must be the depth of the continuation in truth for permanent freedom of result.

Sid: Let me ask you question you were divorced from your wife Faye, and it should have been written in concrete in history you will never see this woman again she will be remarried; you will be remarried you both go on your separate ways but that was not the way it was recorded. It’s recorded in history that you remarried, it’s recorded in history that you’re children had a mother and father to raise them, it’s recorded in history that the two you have become one and are accomplishing mighty things for God. What was it was there one ingredient that caused Faye your wife to change her mind and remarry you?

Gary: Sid I think that you could go to any of the disturbed marriages of America, those that have been divorced and those that are living miserable ever after. What it is, is that the wife is looking for change in the husband. And most of us despise the attitude that we have to prove ourselves to anyone and because of the depth of the insecurity and the inability of knowing what are the people looking for in our lives most men retreat in a depth of bitterness and frustration and anger when it comes to their wives wanting to see change. But the good news is this, the change comes when the man gives himself to the word of God. The word of God is able to clean them like Jesus said in John. He’s able to take the truth of the word and bring freedom. Change is the order of and the affect of the Holy Spirit in the word. When Faye saw change, not something I was trying to put on, but change that became a valid life transformation the conviction that God has changed me and His ability to change her was then set in concrete. That’s what really set her heart back again to believe that this is a new marriage. Nobody wants to return to the miserable life they had before. Everybody’s looking for change.

Sid: Question Gary, had you not followed Biblical principals or vice a versa if it was your wife that had become the believer had she not followed Biblical principles is there any way in the world a) That you’d be remarried; b) To be married today happily to someone else.

Gary: Yeah, the real of marriage is found in the fact that we can only experience what we know and what we don’t know unfortunately suffer the detriment of it. And without the word of God being the sign post of my life, being the very desire of my heart I could not have succeeded in my marriage with Faye nor in any other marriage. Because like many of us on the radio listening we have seen so many marriages they marry another woman or another man very similar to their first, very similar…

Sid: Isn’t it amazing I’ve seen that.

Gary: It’s because of the repetitive cycle it’s called a yoke. Isaiah 10 verse 27 deals with the anointing breaking the yoke and most people live a repetitive cycle of failure in their life because of invisible yokes that bind them. But you know that if a man or a woman, and it only takes one to reconcile a home it does not take two.   Because one moving in the God authority has power to bring visitation to the other spouse. It’s incredible what God will do if just one family member will stand.

Sid: Any exceptions?

Gary: I have never seen in my life as serving full time ministry and being a Christian, I have never seen any man or any woman who has radically sold out to the word of God not see results, never. And we have several thousand of people that every week come to our church in ministry. I mean there’s a lot of people, I mean we are working in multitudes of nations and in cultures that literally have made woman like cattle but we’ve watched it work in every culture. Even in polygamy where men have said “Okay, I’ve got 9 wives.” Many of our areas of Africa that we minister in have that type of lifestyle; we have seen the word transform those homes and families.

Sid: Gary, I’m going to be so bold as to say that every pastor listening to us needs this to help those that he’s going to marry.

Gary: Absolutely.

Sid: Tell me about one family that has changed.

Gary: We have a family that’s in our church that… what had happened was that one of the spouses had fallen into adultery and had never been able to come free in the relationship with the other spouse because of the pain and the fear of rejection in being exposed and held that sin inside for years. As they heard teaching on “What God Has Joined Together” the power of the blood, having cleansing in the relationship, having a fearless communication without the fear of rejection they took the chance in a very controlled environment to share what had happened at a point of weakness in the earlier years in marriage. You know what happened Sid?

Sid: What?

Gary: Because the word had been planted in the husband and the wife there was no judgment, there was only the sense of “I thank God this pressure is off of your life.” Where many other times if it was in the world or even some Christian that I know the husband or the wife would have just flared up with anger, bitterness, frustration or accusations.

Sid: Well I have Mark Biltz on the phone. Mark has been a guest on Messianic Vision previously. For those that aren’t familiar with him he’s pastor of El Shaddai Congregation in Bonny Lake, Washington. He is the one that pioneered the research of tying the blood moons with the feasts and being warning signs from God tied in with the scriptures. And as a matter of fact 2 people that have wonderful books on the subject John Hagee and Perry Stone all quote him because he got the original revelation. So I figured that there’s so many people even the secular press Mark is interested in the blood moons and there’s such an interest in it I want to get the guy that had the original revelation. So let me take you back to when that started; how long ago was it that you originally got a revelation on the blood moons?

Mark: I would say it started in March of 2008 when I saw a total lunar eclipse when I saw it on Purim over the Temple Mount.

Sid: And for those that aren’t familiar with what a blood moon is would you give is the ABC of it.

Mark: Well sure, a blood moon would be a total lunar eclipse. When it’s only a partial lunar eclipse the moon doesn’t turn red or when it’s a penumbral, where the moon doesn’t go directly behind the earth it’s two one side.

Sid: I want you to get even more basic what is an eclipse, why is it red?

Mark: Sure, what happens is when the earth is exactly between the sun and the moon the sun’s light rays that go around the earth’s atmosphere get affected. The shorter blue rays get cast off, but it’s the longer red ray that make it through that hit the moon giving it the red glow.

Sid: Now I personally have never seen a blood moon have you seen it?

Mark: Oh several times.

Sid: What did it look like to you?

Mark: It was incredible it didn’t start red it starts black as it begins to cover the moon from the left to the right. And then at the very end when the last bit of light goes out it switches to this beautiful blood red that’s just an incredible color, it’s just gorgeous.

Sid: Now tell me, we’ll kind of fast forward for a moment, why it’s important for me to know about blood moons and Biblical Feasts and them happening together.

Mark: Yeah sure. The thing that’s incredible if you believe the Bible in Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 it literally says “That created the sun and moon for signs.” We think that it was mostly for light and heat but we see that the very first thing He mentions is for signs for sending signals kind of like “One if by land, two if by sea.” Then the next word is for season. Well the problem is with our English translation because the same English word they translated seasons in Leviticus 23 they translated feasts. So what does that mean fall or food? Actually both are in accurate the word Moad means a divine appointment as if God decided God wanted the sun and moon to send signals on His divinely appointed dates. I believe when He was going to intersect human history it’s totally supernatural.

Sid: Tell me back to 2008… tell me the progression of this revelation.

Mark: Sure on the internet and I saw this beautiful blood red moon over the Temple Mount and I got to thinking about the verses in Isaiah, in Joel, in the Gospels in Revelation where it talks about the sun turning to sackcloth and the moon to blood. And I thought oh wow this… these have to be total lunar eclipses. So I went to NASA’s website…

Sid: Now just out of curiosity even before this did you know much about astronomy and think about areas like this or is this all or was this all new to you?

Mark: I loved astronomy I had a telescope growing up; I had binoculars and I always loved to look at the moon and the rings around Saturn, you know and Mars. And I always had somewhat of an interest in astronomy. I was in the Boy Scouts okay and I think that…

Sid: Well I was in the Boy Scouts but I didn’t have much interest in astronomy, but go ahead. (Laughing)

Mark: Yeah any way I always loved creation I mean to almost 19 to declare the glory of God. And then for me it was just saw the glory of God and I would know. I would just wonder I was filled with wonder and amazement. And then again thinking that from a Biblical standpoint that God said that this would happen and because He created it mathematically science could record 5000 years of eclipses. I thought “Well let’s go see if there’s any interesting eclipses coming up.” And when I went to NASA’s website I noticed that in 2014 and 2015 that there would be 4 total eclipses in a row. And that just kind of caught my eye. I start researching their website and saw that they called it a Tetrad but I thought it didn’t happen at all in the 1800’s and 1700’s and the 1600’s. So I thought that it was quite interesting and I thought that it would be happening in April and October and April and September. And so I went to my prayer closet it was about 4:00 in the morning I was getting up for prayer for weeks at a time at that time to pray. And I was contemplating this a thought came to my mind that I need to put these on the Biblical holidays. So I went to my computer so I switched from April to October to when they fell on the biblical calendar and when I saw that they fell on Passover and Tabernacles both years in a row I just about jumped out of my skin and so I had to go back and look. And then when I saw the last time it happened on these Feast days was 1967 when Israel captured Jerusalem. Right before that when they became a nation in ’48 and I’ll tell you I was doing the Hallelujah dance.

Sid: Well I can see that by putting those two together and seeing 2 of the major events history just happened to be when they had these blood moons. I can see why you did a little Pentecostal dance.

Mark: (Laughing) Well then looking at the book of Genesis and seeing that God created them for signals on His feast days I kind of look at this more. So I knew God is 100% accurate not 99% so I went to see if there were any interesting solar eclipses. And low and behold on Nisan 1, the first day of the religious calendar I mean this is the grand opening ceremony of Moses Tabernacle when the fire fell from heaven and licked the altar. Here is the total solar eclipse on Nisan 1 followed by the total blood moon lunar eclipse on Passover, followed by another solar eclipse on Rosh haShana, followed by another blood moon on the Feast of Tabernacles in 2015.

Sid: Now a lot of people have taken your teaching beyond your teaching have put definite prophetic events that are going to happen. What is your spin on that?

Mark: Well I don’t think that’s wise to ever set dates and I never set dates. But one thing I like to say is I don’t control an eclipse okay, I don’t control the calendar. NASA says that when these are falling God is saying He’s set them up that way. And all I say is “We have to be watching.” I believe that we need to be watching and praying…

Sid: And yet if we see what happened two of the major events in Israel’s history on these particular dates on these particular feasts we say “Maybe it’s something even more than a prophetic warning maybe it’s beyond that.”

Mark: I think so I think in one sense it really is but I don’t know when the event will happen but the thing that is so significant Sid according to NASA you only average one total eclipse every year and a half. Here we have 4 in the year and a half on the Biblical holidays. And the last one get a load of this is a supermoon. This is…

Sid: What’s a supermoon?

Mark: It is when the moon because it’s orbit is elliptical it’s when it’s at its closest point to earth. That is when it’s a perigee is what it’s called. Now sometimes it’s not a full moon when it’s at its closest point it’s at a new moon so you don’t even see it. But think about the odds of this, here you’re going to have a full moon at perigee. So it’s going to be a super moon that is completely blood red and not only that but the closed point to earth for the entire year and it is seen in Jerusalem. It is seen in Jerusalem on the Feast of Tabernacles when all of the Jews are outside looking up at the heavens. And not only that the culmination that makes it totally astronomical it also is the Sh’mitah year the 7^th year of the 7 year cycle when God required all men, women, children, Jews and non-Jews to be in Jerusalem to hear the king of Israel read from the Torah.

Sid: Now what is… has this ever happened before according to your knowledge?

Mark: According to my knowledge it’s never happened before that you have a total blood moon that is part of a tetrad that is also the sh’mitah year that is ceasing in Israel. This is just incredible!

Sid: Okay our time has slipped away but we’ll go into more detail the rest of this week with Pastor Mark. I love the calendar you put together, I love the book called “Blood Moons Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs” and then the DVD. How did you get such I hate to put it this way “How did you get such a beautiful DVD? I mean this is not a typical Christian approach.

Mark: That’s for sure well World Net Daily, and Joseph Fara, George Escobar did a wonderful job. The cinematography is absolutely incredible. The sound, the music, the score is just incredible.

Sid: Just as a matter of review Mark I want you to tell me what a blood moon is, how frequent they are; how frequent they are on feast days and how frequent they are, as you blew us out of the water yesterday and you talked about not only are they coming up on the feast days, but a which is highly unusual, but it’s what’s known as a supermoon. So if you could briefly summarize that.

Mark: Well sure, a blood moon is a total lunar eclipse. It’s caused by the light rays going through the earth’s atmosphere when it’s between the moon and the sun. And the longer red light rays hit the moon so it looks like its blood red. And according to NASA you only get a total lunar eclipse, or blood red moon, once every year and a half. But here we have 4 within a year and 1 ½ and on top of that Sid their falling on the Feasts days God’s appointed times. This is like God’s heavenly billboard trying to communicate to us and warn us of things coming.

Sid: Now the scriptures tell us that this is God’s method of warning us explain some of those scriptures.

Mark: Exactly, well in Genesis 1:14 God said “He created the sun and the moon to send signals on Passover.” That’s basically what He said, He says “For signs and seasons” but that word for seasons is Moad referring to the appointed times like Passover. This is why in Luke 21:25 Jesus says that “There will be signs in the sun and the moon.” Well how could we not expect it if that’s why they were created for?

Sid: Now you also use a phrase when there are 4 eclipses in a row there’s a scientific phrase explain that.

Mark: Yes, the term is a tetrad when you have 4 blood moons in a row without a partial or a penumbral in between.

Sid: Excuse me you lost me a penumbral? (Laughing) Is that like a crinumble or something?

Mark: It’s called a penumbral and that is when it doesn’t go directly behind the earth, but just kind of the earth is not directly between it. Here’s the thing, according to NASA in the last 2000 years only 62 times have you had 4 blood moons in a row.

Sid: In how many years?

Mark: Two thousand years.

Sid: Hm.

Mark: In 2000 years you’ve had 4 total eclipses in a row 62 times but guess what? Only 8 times have they fallen on the feast days. This is what really increases the odds it’s only 8 times in 2000 years has this happened. And look what’s happened last three. Here in ’67 Israel captured Jerusalem. Right after it became a nation in ’48 and then before that it was at the Spanish inquisition in 1493 and 1494.

Sid: And so when was the last time we had something like this happen?

Mark: Well only 8 times has it happened in the last 2000 years where they’ve fallen on the feast days.

Sid: Now have you done research? If the 2 you mentioned ’67 and ’48. The birth of Israel, Jerusalem in Jewish possession just happened to occur on 2 of them have you researched the others out of curiosity anything interesting happen?

Mark: Well yes as a matter of fact like I said Christopher Columbus was a lot of people realized was Jewish. You got a boat load of Jews leaving Spain on the 9^th of Av. All of the Jews were kicked out of Spain and Portugal. And so 1493 and 1494 but you know what’s incredible there were solar lunar eclipses all over the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. You can go back and research it in and 69, 70, and 71 there were solar and lunar eclipses around the temple. And around the death of Jesus in 32 and 33 AD there were solar lunar eclipses all over the feast days.

Sid: Now I know that you don’t like to do this but I’m going to put you on the spot Mark.

Mark: Sure.

Sid: Since things of prophetic nature occur when all of these signs occur on feast days, and that’s pretty obvious. The ones coming up you’re sanctified speculation what might happen?

Mark: Well here’s what I think might happen and this is based on facts, based on history, and based on scriptures. In Joel where it talks about sun turning to sackcloth and the moon turning to blood is given in the same context where the verse says “God will judge all nations that are trying to divide the land of Israel. And here we have this big push to divide the land of Israel. I believe that these 4 blood moons on God’s heavenly billboard is warning Israel not to divide their land, warning the nations not to divide their land or their will be consequences.

Sid: Why do you say that they’ll be consequences to the nations for dividing the land of Israel?

Mark: Well because that’s what God says in Joel 2 that’s what God says I’m the messenger (chuckle) you know. And I’m just saying that what God says “He’s going to judge all of the nations that are parting his land.” So when you look at the odds the facts of history there’s a war involving Israel in ’48, a war involving Israel in ’67, prophetically there could be a war involving Israel in the next year and half or two. So that’s one. There’s something else but I’ll just say that’s one for what I think might happen.

Sid: Oh, tell me the something else.

Mark: Ha, ha okay well here’s the other thing it’s only if you’re on the right calendar and this is why that Biblical Calendar is so important. Christians need to be aware the prophecies that are prophesied will happen on the Biblical dates. But if we don’t know where they are on our calendar we won’t know when the prophecy is fulfilled. And one of the things that I see and people don’t know that in 2001 that was a Shemitah year and it was on Rosh Hashanah that the Dow fell 7%. And the Shemitah year is an economic reset year. This is when the debts were to be forgiven okay. So what do you see an economic reset on Rosh Hashanah in 2001 which was a 7th year of the 7 year cycle the Dow falls 7%. Exactly 7 years later in 2008 now it wasn’t the same day on our Gregorian calendar but it’s the same day on the Biblical calendar. It was at Rosh Hashanah the 7^th year the 1^st day of the 7^th month the Dow falls 777 points. It was a 7% drop on a failed 700 billion dollar bailout resulting in a 700 Billion dollar loss. And so now here we’re coming to 2015 Rosh Hashanah year the end of a Shemitah year and we have a solar eclipse. So I’m saying that there’s a good possibility that we could have a global economic catastrophe this could be our third strike.

Sid: Well you know speaking about dividing up the land, and obviously Joel makes it very clear that the judgment of the nations in the last days these Joel chapter 3 will be based on one fact and one fact alone, dividing up the land of Israel. But you know what I’ve notice every war that Israel’s had in modern times it has not started. But every war that Israel has had in modern times has ended up with Israel having more land. So that’s my intuitive spiritual spin “Israel will end up with more land before it’s all over.”

Mark: I totally agree, I think that’s what’s going to happen. I think that Israel may be the safest place to be.

Sid: Well before we tell people you represent the Israeli Chamber of Commerce, no I’m just teasing I want you to tell me about your book and your DVD series called “Blood Moons Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs.”

Mark: Yes I would love to the book is so much more than just about blood moons. I go into how ever Hebrew letter is a sign. And the Hebrew word for letter is the same Hebrew word for sign. And I go into the ancient paleo-Hebrew, or proto-Canaanite, where every letter was a picture. And I show how Jesus Yeshua is in every letter. I go through some of the letters. But then I also go into replacement theology and how that is so unacceptable and unbiblical. And then I go into calendar…

Sid: And there’s so many Christians that feel that God is finished with the Jew; God is finished with the land of Israel. There in for a big shock. They don’t know that all events at His first coming were involving the land of Israel. And all events at His return involve that same land. He is going to return to Israel; I mean they are going to be in a boat that will be rudderless with that understanding.

Mark: Oh yes I totally agree and here’s something that how I kind of end the book that I think is so amazing. The Book of Ruth I believe is very prophetic. Ruth and Orpah were non-Jews grafted into Israel. So I think that they represent the church. And what you see Ruth whose name means friend joins the Jew works the harvest from Passover to Pentecost from the barley to the wheat and ends up bringing forth the King David and the Messiah through King David. Orpah her name means to turn the back of the neck. And she turned her back on the Jew and went back to her Pagan gods. I really believe prophetically in the book of Ruth the dividing line in the church is going to be the Ruth church who joins the Jew and works the harvest and brings in the Messiah. Versus the church the Orpah church that turns her back on Israel and joins the one world church.

Sid: Okay, quickly tell me about the DVD.

Mark: Yes, the DVD the cinematography is absolutely incredible. George Escobar did phenomenal it was like a regular movie. The musical score was just incredible and just the scenery, oh my goodness. They’re going to love the DVD it’s just incredible.

Sid: Now in order for you to… no I’ll tell you what Mark, I want to go back to the first time that you taught this after the revelation in your congregation. What effect did it have on the members of your congregation?

Mark: Well it was shock and awe that’s all I could say shock and awe. And even to me as well and even as we had discussed earlier this is kind of like a progressive revelation the Holy Spirit just kind of constantly just revealing more and more things as we go in 2008 when I discovered this. And that’s when our congregation really took off we were like oh 280 – 300 people and then we jumped up to about 600.

Sid: But how did it become a book so quickly?

Mark: Well I… you know it was amazing I was giving the notes away from that first service just on our website anyone could read it and it was just going like wildfire. And 4 or 5 other people writing books on my material, then Joseph Farah with World Net Daily called me and said “Pastor Mark you’re the one that knows all of this you know the signs and the meat and the potatoes why don’t you write a book?” So this was last October and so I said “Well okay what do you need?” He said I need you to write 60,000 words in the next month put it all together for me. So I said “Okay, I have everything you know over the years you know I compiled it all and put the book out and it was released in March.

Sid: You know Mark you are such a conservative man by nature and a teacher by nature that I would really be curious to get your spin on whether… I mean in every good believer says that Jesus is going to return in their life time, but in your inner-most being based on your scholarship what do you believe?

Mark: I believe we are that generation there’s no doubt in my mind and I base a lot of that on Psalms 102 where it talks about “When the Lord shall build up Zion that’s when He will appear in His glory.” Well Zion is another name for Jerusalem and its back in Israel’s hands in ’67 and it’s being built up with all of these settlements that the world is so upset about. And in the next verse it says “This is being written for the generation to come.” But in Hebrew the word “acharone and it means the terminal generation it means the last generation. Now I don’t know how long a generation is but I believe that we are that generation.

Sid: Fair enough. Now you state if we throw out the feasts days then we have thrown out the ring decoder. When I was young they used to sell these little decoder rings where you could figure out the answers to questions. Explain to people that don’t know about that.

Mark: Oh yeah I loved that oh man when I was growing up I loved the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew you know all of those detective things coming up with secret codes. And I had my own decoder ring as well and to think that I found it goes back to the feast days. God said He created the sun and moon to send signals on His feast Days. And see here’s a Muslim calendar it’s based totally on the moon. The calendar the world uses it’s based totally on the sun. But God said in Genesis “Let them be for seasons, days and years.” The sun and the moon so that means He’s using the Jewish calendar for intersecting human history for sending His signals. So if we don’t understand His feast days we won’t understand how to decode when He’s trying to talk to us. I liken it to a baseball coach who tips his hat for the base runner to steal. If the base runner doesn’t know the code or the signal he’s going to miss an opportunity. So to me these feasts literally in Hebrew the word Moad means a divine appointment. Then that word convocation the Hebrew word is Micrah and it applies more than an assembly. It’s a dress rehearsal so I asked everyone “Do you want to be at the wedding of the Lamb?” And they all go “Yes.” And then I say “Why don’t you want to be at the dress rehearsals for the wedding?”

Sid: Briefly why are the first feasts mentioned in the Bible called the spring feasts, dress rehearsals of the first coming of Jesus? Why are the fall feasts the last feasts mentioned in the Bible dress rehearsals of the return of Jesus? And you state in your book that His first coming and His return are going to be fulfilled to the day an hour of His coming through the feasts.

Mark: Yes, it’s absolutely incredible. You know I tell people in Revelation it says “Jesus was slain for the foundation of the world.” What that means is it was planned out by the Father from the very beginning. It’s not like Jesus died and the Father goes “Oh go to plan B and resurrect it” you know. And he even had David write the hymns that were going to be sung at his son’s funeral. That’s why the songs were sung. And to get an idea Jesus did not die on any particular day He died on Nisan 14 on Passover. And in the gospels it says that He was bound to the cross the third hour of the day. Well that’s 9:00 in the morning the time of the morning sacrifice. He died at 3:00 in the afternoon and…

Sid: What you’re showing is He was such… the animal sacrifice on that day was such a precise shadow of Jesus that even the timing was the same.

Mark: It’s incredible! At the very moment the high priest is binding the Passover lamb to the altar their binding Yeshua to the cross. And their singing Psalms 118 the Hallel “Bind the sacrifice with cords, even to the chords of the altar.” Can you imagine Josephus says that over 2 million Jews for Passover. Here’s this 2 million member choir Jesus is hearing them all sing “Bind the sacrifice with chords” at the very moment that their binding him to the cross and binding the Passover lamb to the altar.

Sid: And you know it wasn’t like modern Jew today or a Gentile Christian today He understood exactly, He understood He was the same sacrifice that all of those years they were doing the shadow of.

Mark: Yeah! And they were singing the song for 1000’s of years before when David wrote it hear they were singing these songs on Passover. What are they singing Psalms 118 “The right hand of the Lord is lifted up, the right hand of the Lord does valiantly.” You know I mean this is incredible.

Sid: Oh I love the part of Psalm 118 which says “The stone which the builders rejected, (The builders were the Jewish people) it’s become the chief cornerstone,” I like that part. (Laughing)

Mark: Oh yes because when it says they sang a hymn and went over the Mount of Olives and where He was betrayed and rejected that is exactly the last hymn that they sang was the fact that He was the stone that the builders rejected. It’s incredible. So if He became the Passover Lamb on Passover to the hour the next day He’s buried on unleavened bread, then He rises on the Jewish Feast of First Fruits becoming the First Fruits of the Resurrection. And then most Christians don’t know that the Jews have been keeping Shavuot or Pentecost for 1500 years before Acts. So what did Peter say “These guys aren’t drunk it’s the third hour of the day.” Well that’s 9:00 in the morning time of the morning sacrifice is exactly what had happened.

Sid: You know I understand when Jews and Gentiles that are believer in the Messiah start seeing how precise God is why it actually kicks their faith into another gear.

Mark: Oh my goodness it’s like adding nitrogen I mean it’s….

Sid: What are you seeing on people wander into your congregation and catching this for the first time how do they react?

Mark: Well I’ll tell you what it’s the same reaction I’ve heard year after year everyone is in shock and awe and they say “We’ve been robbed! We’ve been robbed! Why haven’t we heard this before?” In Jeremiah it says the Gentiles are going to come and say “We’ve inherited lies and vanity and things that don’t profit” you know. And so for me the greatest revelation is being on the Biblical calendar which is why we have this calendar. Do you know Sid, 2 years from now Easter is a month before Passover. How do you celebrate the resurrection a month before He dies?

Sid: (Laughing)

Mark: We’re not even on the right calendar.

Sid: Well now our time has slipped away. Tell me about your book and this amazing DVD it’s not your typical Christian DVD, it is a top secular DVD making these principals so simple everyone that gets the book and DVD will totally understand it. Tell me what they’ll understand from the book and DVD.

Mark: Sure, what they’ll understand is how wrong replacement theology is. They’ll understand how to understand the signs that God sends, even the Hebrew letters are signs. They’ll understand the science behind all of this and the math. And they’ll understand what we are to do and the DVD is just incredible cinema photography where you know he just shows all of these eclipses and the different things that are going on. The book, and the DVD, talk about how the importance of God’s appointed times.

Sid: And then of course you go into the Biblical feasts and you explain how precisely they occur which is going to nothing but increase your awe of God. But I love your teaching on the blood moons. Tell me some scripture in reference to the blood moons why we should know about them.

Mark: Well what comes to my mind is Luke 1:25 where Jesus says “There will be signs in the sun and the moon.” And the amazing thing about the sun and moon they speak in every language you don’t have to have an interpreter. Okay every language understands the sun and the moon and the eclipse they have for history that God is trying to communicate. And when we see they fall on the feasts days that’s when they have the great significance. And so the whole key is to understating what God is saying is saying, is when these eclipses fall on His appointed time.

Sid: Tell me one last thought for someone that says “God is finished with the Old Testament all we need is the New Testament.” What would you say to that person?

Mark: Well I would ask them “Is God the same yesterday, today and forever?” And the other thing I would say “When did He become God’s editor, I mean God is the what?”

Sid: I actually I like to say that “Did you know the first church only had one Bible and I’ll give you a clue it wasn’t the New Testament.” And it did pretty good for the first… oh we’re out of time.

Sid: There’s something going on it’s almost in the atmosphere it’s by the Spirit of God. Christians that have never had a burden for the Jewish people or Israel are supernaturally getting this burden. One of the things that many Christians are finding is that our roots, the roots of our Biblical faith were hijacked by this character Constantine. We’ve been anemic in intimacy with God ever since, but as God is restoring the original roots of the faith; as God is bringing the Jew and the Gentile together; as God is breaking down that middle wall of separation the intimacy is being restored with God. That’s why I got so fascinated when last Passover I was in Israel and I met my friends the Morey’s and I saw their calendar that they had proposed to come out for the beginning of the month of September, it’s called The Zechariah Prophecy Calendar. I literally fell in love with it. This calendar is produced and printed in Israel. It’s 13.5 x 26. A Russian artist did the artwork from prophecies in Zechariah in English as well as Hebrew. I know that I’m always wondering what is the exact date of Yom Kippur or Passover? Also the exact scriptures that are read in the synagogues on each of these Biblical festivals. So you have this very beautiful calendar, the artwork is literally suitable for framing. Some of you will probably tear it apart but don’t do it it’s too beautiful. This calendar… and there’s actually room to write your… it’s a large enough calendar to write your appointments or things you have scheduled…. This is a 16 month calendar and it starts in the month of September because that’s the Jewish New Year and we have so many festivals that begin in that month and it’s about time you start understanding your Jewish roots and identifying with Jewish people. I have Eric Morey on the telephone; I’m speaking to him at his office in Tiberias, Israel. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about why he chose the book of Zechariah to have illustrated. It’s not just pretty pictures, I mean each… there’s a presence of God on this. Eric and his wife Terri have been living in Israel. Eric is not Jewish from Denver, Colorado. His wife Terri is Jewish and you have been there… did you tell me what 19 years?

Eric: Yes Sid.

Sid: Living in Israel. So you’ve seen a lot of changes in those 19 years.

Eric: Hmm, it’s true we’ve been here for more than a third of the lifetime of this country.

Sid: Just off the top of your head, from the day you arrived until today what’s one of the biggest changes you’ve seen?

Eric: Well we see especially recently a real opening to the gospel here. We see that as a developing thing but we’ve seen recently, very recently actually, an acceleration in that that’s very very exciting.

Sid: Well I believe that the scripture, the word of the Lord, will go about from Zion. Is literally going to be fulfilled in our lifetime. Fiery evangelists like Paul the Apostle are going to be literally knocked off their horse, rabbis are going to come to the Lord and the word of the Lord will go out from Zion. These Jewish believers are going to breathe new life into the church, that’s what I see happening. However, we were talking about Zechariah the 12^th chapter yesterday and I was reading from the 3^rd verse about what is actually occurring before our very eyes. I’ll read it again “And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples. All who would heave it away would surely be cut in pieces though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.” So I said to Eric yesterday “Eric, aren’t you a little concerned you and your wife living there right in the center of a place that God says ‘All the nations of the world are going to come against you?’ Isn’t it a little scary?” And you said “Yeah the scary part means all the United States of America.”

Eric: Hmm. Yeah we… when we did this painting actually we did this painting twice of Zechariah 12:3 of the nations gathered against Jerusalem. We did one was kind of timeless where they were sort of dressed in Biblical costume and it was kind of a mythical Jerusalem there in the center that they were attacking. Then I began to realize that we’re talking about something that’s about to happen. In fact, it is happening. You can see the nations of the world lining up against Jerusalem. For example, go back to 1947 the United Nations voted General Assembly voted 2/3 to have a Jewish state created in what was then called Palestine. So 2/3 of the General Assembly voted for Israel in 1947. In the last few votes in the General Assembly, and there is an inordinate number of votes, hugely unbalanced number of votes concerned with Israel, always against Israel. The votes today are usually something like 153 to 2, or 153 to 3, and 3 are usually Israel, the United States, and Micronesia or something like that. It’s unbelievable, it’s supernatural. 153 nations usually don’t agree on anything in this world, yet against Israel they will agree. Yet if you recall a few months in the Security Council they had a… when Israel was going into Jenin and the United Nations of course had to discuss this and express their views about it. They voted in the Security Council 15 to nothing against Israel, Israel must immediately withdraw from the cities which they had entered out of self-defense. There were bombers coming out of these places killing civilians. The United Nations got up and said “No, you have to leave now.” 15 to nothing means the United States voted against Israel.

Sid: I happen to believe in Genesis 12:3, I was very grateful that our president delayed the formation of a Palestinian state. I used to be a stockbroker Eric with Merrill Lynch. There is something called “selling the market short,” in effect you bet the stock market will go down as opposed to going up. I said to a number of my friends “If the president of the United States votes for an immediate Palestinian state you can make a fortune, sell the market short it’s going to go south. I think forever.” We were given a little grace in the United States and that was stalled and I’m going to believe that God has a great plan for America and America will not, as you just illustrated, be on the wrong side of the fence when it comes to the vote for a Palestinian state.

Eric: Eventually they’ll send for Zechariah 12:3 to come to pass for all the nations of the world to come against Jerusalem. Again as you see these conflicts developing it is clearer and clearer that Jerusalem is the focal point of this whole conflict; not only Jerusalem but the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This whole Intifada started the day… Ariel Sharon wasn’t even Prime Minister yet walked up on the Temple Mount. The Camp David process with Barak and Clinton broke down, and Arafat broke down because they would not release the Sovereignty Act… Barak was willing to give some autonomy in Jerusalem but he wasn’t willing to give sovereignty and Arafat would not accept anything less and that’s when it broke down. So Jerusalem is the focal point, the core of this conflict is the Temple Mount. Why? Because the Temple Mount is God’s throne on earth. The devil, whom I believe is one and the same with Allah, wants to dethrone God from His throne on earth on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. You can read all about it in Isaiah 14.

Sid: Let’s go back to Zechariah, I just believe… now you call it the Zechariah Prophecy Calendar but I believe it’s just purely a prophetic calendar. Zechariah it reads like to me like today’s newspaper of some of the things it says. I’m looking at Zechariah 14 “For I’ll gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem. The city shall be taken, the houses rifled, the women ravaged, then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations and in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, the Mount of Olives will be split in two.” I’ve been told there’s a geological fault on the Mount of Olives that could very well be the beginning of that splitting in two.

Eric: Yeah I understand that too. I’ve seen some drawings in fact of that. It is going to split in two, and it’s going to go to the north and it’s going to go to the south. There’s going to be a valley created in between and the Jews, the survivors who are left in the siege and destruction are going to flee out to that valley. At that very moment, and this is another painting in this calendar, at that very moment Zechariah 14:5 it says “And the Lord my God shall come and all the holy ones will see.”

Sid: Describe that painting I see it too it’s beautiful.

Eric: Yeshua is coming on the clouds of heaven on a white horse, exactly how He is described in Revelation. In fact this painting is triggered from Isaiah 14:5, Zechariah 14:5 but it combines descriptions from Matthew 24, from Isaiah 63, and from Revelation19 because they all describe the same scene of the Lord coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. There’s 2 angels blowing trumpets, as He comes this the trumpet the last… you talk about the last great shofar, this is it. The armies of heaven behind Him coming on the clouds it’s an exquisite painting. Yeshua is saying something because Revelation 19 says He’s got a sword in His mouth. Well you suppose He has a literal figure, actual metal sword coming out of His mouth? I don’t think so, I think it’s the word of God because the word of God is a sword of the Spirit. It’s described as a sword in many cases it divides between soul and spirit. So we pondered over this “What would He be saying, what words would be coming out of His mouth at that moment?” Then we discovered in Isaiah 63 that scripture, interpret scripture, and in Isaiah 63 there’s a dialogue and the narrator asks this question “Who is this coming from Bozrah and Edom with His robes dyed in red?” Describing the Messiah, you’ll see in this picture His robe is dyed in red. Then He answers…

Sid: Hold that thought.

Sid: Well my guest is I think red hot is an understatement for Hank Kunneman. Hank we’re talking about your brand new book just literally off the press “My Heart Cries Abba.” Abba is it an Aramaic word Hank?

Hank: Yeah, that’s Aramaic and also Greek also meaning “Daddy or Poppa.”

Sid: I love it and I also love when you say “Abba” out loud with your own mouth listening right now often He shows up as your heavenly Daddy. Tell me how you got that title.

Hank: I got that title after my own experiences not only what I went through even what we’ve been talking about all week about my father. Just feeling the need to be affirmed by God and as I kept calling Him Abba I kept feeling his love. But something happened, my son, who’s now 15, at the age of 10, 5 years ago was diagnosed type 1 diabetic it rocked my world. I was feeling like blaming myself maybe I didn’t pray enough, maybe you know I should have prayed for him more. And so I was really blaming myself and this is because of me, maybe I didn’t do something right, maybe I didn’t pray enough and I was really just calling to God. And I heard the Lord say to me very clearly “Love, on Abba, call on Abba.” And so you know what I did I just began all I could say after my son was diagnosed and we were watching a little kid you know have to give himself know shots because it’s different than Type II diabetes where there is diet this was insulin dependent. I’m watching my 10 year old having to give himself shots. I was so broken, then again I’m a faith man I believe in healing.   But the only thing I could do was run to Abba’s lap and let my heart cry out “Abba.” And now we’re seeing amazing things happen with my son, there’s a work of healing happening in his body and I believe it’s because as I call out and my heart cries out to Abba Abba comes. And so He’s intervening for my son’s life and so that’s how it came about.

Sid: And there’s actually a scripture Galatians 4:6 what does it say?

Hank: It says “The Spirit cries out “Abba Father.” Once we say “Jesus, come into my heart.” Immediately the Spirit, the Spirit of God, cries out to our spirit and reconnects us to our loving heavenly Father and cries out the name “Abba.”  

Sid: Tell me a little bit about your prayer life, you say that you go into your prayer closet so to speak and you crawl into Abba’s lap.

Hank: Yes I do. You know when Moses and God He said something to Moses He said “Meet me at a place called there.” And I have a place that I literally set a time and I set a place where I go and I meet God, I have this ottoman and literally I just lay overtop of the ottoman and I literally see myself being pulled and wooed by Abba in His arms and in His love. And I can literally feel His presence so strong that others that have walked into the room can feel it too.

Sid: I’ll tell you what I feel it now. What is Abba saying, I mean you’re a known prophet I mean some of the things that you’ve stated on our show and other shows about there would be snow in Atlanta and it snowed in Atlanta. And in strange places there would be in Dallas there would be an ice storm and these are kind of wild things you prophesied that came to pass. And even in the Middle East there was snow after you said it would happen in amazing places, but what is Abba saying to your heart right now for the future?

Hank: The first thing that we have to understand is “Arise shine the light has come the glory of the Lord has risen upon thee and darkness has covered the earth and gross darkness the people.” In other words there’s going to be culmination of yes doom and gloom so to speak evil, but God’s glory… one of the ways that Abba shows His love is to reveal His goodness. His goodness and His glory go together, we’re going to see political shakings, specifically watch the Middle East. There’s a dissatisfaction that is happening with the younger generation of those in the Middle East who have called on other gods that and they are finding out those gods do not exist. And there is coming a spiritual awakening that will begin to take place in the Middle East like we’ve never seen before especially among the young where they’re going to cry out and they’re going to say “Yeshua.” And you’re going to see more political world leaders that are going to begin to be removed by the hand of God. We need to watch Russia, we need to watch Syria, we need to watch Iran, because the Lord is not only putting His eye upon those nations He’s putting His hands upon those nations and there will be some political upheavals that God is going to deal with and He’s going to remove leaders. And you’re going to see this as a sign and it’s going to be what Isaiah 6 reveals. When the prophet said “That in the year Uzziah died I saw the Lord high and lifted up.” And as we see political leaders removed you’re going to see it mark a prophetic meaning, it’s just like you’re going to see some you’re going to see removed. It’s like some are going to be removed harshly, their end of days are not going to be good because of the way that they were harsh to the people that they ruled over. But it’s going to mark in those territories the revealing and the manifestation of Abba’s glory