Sid: If you’re not red hot now what are you waiting for? This is the time; did you say “I’ll be red hot in heaven?” Well, let me tell you of course you’ll be red hot in heaven but we need you red hot right now. And if you’re just a lukewarm Christian you ought to see what Jesus says about you in the book of Revelation. “He’ll vomit you out of His mouth” the only option is red hot. Some people say “Well oh that persons a fanatic.” No that person is normal, everyone else is abnormal. “But I want to conform to other people I don’t want to stand out.” Well, you don’t want to stand out you stand out for the devil if you don’t stand out. You know what I’m saying “The only way that you can stand up for God is to stand out. Well, I have a man that stand out his name is Chuck Pierce and I’m interviewing him on a book that I told him I wanted to change the title. I want to call it “Worship Wars” because we really are at war right now. But I’m speaking to Chuck Pierce at his office in Denton, Texas. And Chuck there’s a concept that I have not really focused in before and your book really focuses in this area and it has to do with ascending explain that.
Chuck: Well, it’s so great to be with you again Sid and it was great meeting you in Israel in the midst of a war season in God’s covenant land. I mean actually it will intensify in the days ahead but when we’re grafted into God’s covenant plan and we’re grafted into Abraham’s blessing all of a sudden what we find ourself in the same war in the earth realm that God is joining in to bring forth His covenant blessings today with. And so one of the things I made a statement after 9/11 I said “This is the season that it’s a war season.” It’s a time for war, we find that in Ecclesiastics and I said “The only way that we’re going to win this war is to ascend and worship and descend and war.” Now the Lord actually spoke this to me Sid He said “Ascend into My throne room as you worship and then descend back to the harvest field and war for its release; I’m ready for the harvest to come into My Kingdom.” And so it makes you wonder how does ascending in worship and descending in war work? Well, ascending think of Jacobs ladder you mentioned that yesterday. Think of Jacob’s ladder, if Jacob had an open, he saw the angels ascending and descending; it established God’s presence in the earth realm in a peculiar way. Well, to ascend means to arise, now if you’re listening out there I love Isaiah 60 it says “Arise shine for your light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.” Arise from the oppression and the depression that has held you down. So when we start worshipping our spirit starts coming into its position in heaven. The word ascend also means to climb, it means to come up. And I love this it means to grown, it means to increase, it means to leap. I mean the Lord can bring such joy into our life when we start worshiping that our spirit leaps. Elizabeth, John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth’s womb and when he recognized Mary in the midst of Elizabeth carrying the Messiah. The same thing happens with us and also the word ascend means to recover and restore. And so really the issue about ascending is we come to this place where we’re worshipping God and we’re really communing with Him our faith level rises. And “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The word comes alive to us and all of a sudden our spirit begins to leap and we know God’s plan for our life.
Sid: You talk in your book about the Second heaven and the third heaven; is there a problem that most people never breakthrough that second heaven which is Satan’s realm to get into the throne room?
Chuck: Well, I think most of us live down here in the first heaven actually.
Sid: So first heaven is like earth?
Chuck: It’s like the atmosphere above earth. See Satan we find in Ephesians is the prince of the power of the air so what Satan will do is he will invade the structures of society to conform our mind to the way society thinks. That’s what Romans 1 and 2 is about. But when we begin to worship God we break out of that conforming power of the earth around us we break out of the conforming power of the way the world thinks. All of a sudden our spirit starts rising into that position God’s given in the heavenlies seated next to the Father. Our feet begin to instead of being bogged down in the earth realm your feet gets planted on the enemies head, you quit thinking the same way that the enemy’s thinking and you move forward. Now what happens is that it’s just easy to see first, second, third heaven. You go through an atmosphere where Satan is controlling a structure, that’s the best way to look at it. You break out of the thinking process of that atmosphere and then you ascend into the throne room and while you’re there the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ starts communicating to us. You’ve been given access to come boldly into the throne room and you can know the mind of Christ.
Sid: But why is it Chuck that so many of us seem to have distractions to taking the time to worship.
Chuck: I love and one of the things I don’t know if you remember but in this book I write about the distractions I call them “worship distracters.” There’s so many things in this realm that we life that distract us from God, we quit thinking like Him, we don’t mediate on Him. I was telling you a key to my life is meditation where I’m really thinking on what God is saying.
Sid: Give me one specific example of how you might meditate.
Chuck: Well, I’ll get up and I’ll set my mind on Christ. I usually I’ll tell the Lord how much I love Him, hallow it be His name. I exalt Him for who He is but then what I’m going to do I’m going to start communicating with Him through His word. He’s written us a book if we’ll just get that and start talking to Him. During that time there’s certain times there’s things He’s having me pray for. There’s other things He wants to communicate to me His heart over to pray for. While I’m doing that I will see a scripture will illuminate to me. Well in just in singing to Him I talk about the air in this book and the sound of worship. And by singing to Him and worshipping Him and talking to Him all of a sudden I mean communicating with Him He impresses things on me and I know what to do. And I start pondering those things and then before the end of the day is out I have wisdom. Because I want to say something to us we forget this verse Sid, He tells us if we ask for wisdom we’ll get wisdom. He won’t withhold it from us.
Sid: So why is it so many people say “Okay, I’m not double minded I want wisdom” and they don’t get it.
Chuck: Well, it’s because we’re absorbed in our own way of thinking. We’re really a very independent people and we’re not dependent upon God.
Sid: And that’s actually idolatry isn’t it.
Chuck: It is it’s a form of idolatry I’d have to say one of the life changing scriptures of my life also is in James chapter 4 were it says “Submit yourself to God, resist the devil and then he’ll flee.” See so it takes those are both active words, submit means to stand underneath. Now most of us don’t equate submission to standing, but the word actually in the Greek means to stand underneath. And then when it says to resist or withstand it means to stand against. And what happens to us is most of us never stand underneath God under the shadow of His wings and then we can’t ever resist our enemy. And it takes both dynamics and then the word of God says the enemy will flee. You’ll draw near to God, He’ll draw near to you and you’ll be one and you’ll know how to move forward.
Sid: What are we going to do on tomorrow’s broadcast will you pray for our people?
Chuck: I would love to spend time praying, communicating a few truths to them, things that might be hindering them and touching God and then praying for them. And then let’s just let the Holy Spirit move and He perhaps will tell us some things specifically we need to pray about. If I got just a moment we were just in a meeting in Texas last week and many of you know we’ve been in this war in Iraq and worship was so dynamic. And in the dynamic aspect of worship all of a sudden I felt like I was in heaven and Pastor Dutch Sheets was up there and many of you know him through his book “Intercessory Prayer.” Was up there speaking and all of a sudden I knew that while we were worshiping I knew that while we were in San Antonio. And the Spirit of God said “The war in Iraq will turn within a week.” Well, all I could do which I had the liberty to do was to get up and communicate what God was saying and then He said, “Tell them that the strongman will be found.”
Sid:
And that was of course a month ago and we’re talking about the guy that was in the bottom of a hole “Saddam Hussein.”
Chuck: And he was an enemy to God’s covenant plan in the earth realm. I’m going to tell you something if you worship God can find your enemy. Many times we get snared by our enemies, we can’t find our enemies, we can’t find what the enemy was doing. Pull aside and submit to God and resist the devil and He will give you revelation of where your enemy is, He’ll intervene on your behalf.
Sid: We don’t have time to go into it but your wife had a tremendous healing with you she was able to have a child. And actually oil went through her veins?
Chuck: She felt like hot oil was being poured through her veins. Of course we were in a denominational church and from the time God set me free from 18 and seriously after I was 24 which I shared earlier in this program I became just an avid seeker of God and a avid worshipper. And Pam was more resistant and when she started worshiping the Spirit spoke this to me He said “The new song will break the old cycle.” And she had never had a normal cycle in our time of marriage that had been over 10 years a normal monthly cycle. And when she shifted into a new form of worship God healed her right there and this is a recorded healing. John Wimber was ministering, this was in January…
Sid: She had endometriosis.
Chuck: She had endometriosis, the Lord intervened not…
Sid: Mishpochah tomorrow is going to be hot….
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth