SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Lisa Bevere, is married to bestselling author, John Bevere. You probably read the book, “The Bait of Satan.” Well Lisa, on the first date with John, he prays for her and she gets free from a disease that is even mystifying doctors today, instantly. What caused this stay at home soccer mom to be a world-class speaker and author, just like her husband, to travel the nations rescuing women sold into sex traffic? She says it’s time for you to rise. It’s going to have the same effect on you. No more couch potato. Lisa, tell me about that first date with John.

LISA: Well he shouldn’t have been asking me out, but he did. He invited me to a Bible study picnic, and I was just thinking free food. I had no idea I was about ready to be ambushed by the spirit of God. So I go to this date. They’re all singing songs. You need to think about this. This is back in 1981, when the songs were bad. And so they were singing with one guitar and one person had their hand up in the air. I’m a college student. I’m thinking, why do you have your hand up? Do you have a question? You have a song sheet. Just look at your song sheet. I was getting nervous. And I began to look down at the song sheet, and I read this one line in the song, Sid, that says, “When God looks at me, He doesn’t see me, He sees Jesus.” And I heard the Holy Spirit speak in that moment, “I can’t look at you. You need a covering.” And I turned to John and I said, “Is this true that God could ever look at me and not see me?” And he said, yes. John didn’t understand what that meant to me. John was a good Catholic boy who became saved. I was a bad person who desperately needed a savior. So we were walking around the campus and he began to unpack the Bible from Genesis to the Book of Revelation. I began to panic because I heard there was thing called a Rapture. I was worried he was going to disappear and I would never be able to get saved. And so I finally just interrupted him. I said, “I want to do this thing, this Christian thing. Whatever it is, I want to do it right now.” And he said, “Well okay, but I’m not done preaching.” And he put the fear of God in me, and I’m just like shaking. And so finally I was like compelled. I was like, we need to do this right now. And so I got born again, spirit-filled and healed on our first date. Because John said to me, “Now you’re saved.” And I said, “What does that mean? What do you mean saved?” He said, “It means your whole again, spirit, soul and body.” And I had not been whole, Sid, for a very long time. And when I heard about wholeness, I said, “So I can have cheese now?” He’s like, “What are you talking about?” I said, “You said ‘whole’.” I said, “I can’t have dairy products. I have lactose intolerance, I have IBS. I live in constant pain.” And he was like, okay God. He just grabbed my hand. He was 22, I was 21. We’re not in a church service, we’re on a college part bench, and he said, “Jesus, if you can save her, you can heal her.” And so I got born again, spirit filled and healed on the first day, and I thought, I might as well marry that guy.

SID: Now, that’s an ingenious way of proposing. But what do you feel when that was happening?

LISA: You know, nobody could tell me I wasn’t healed. You know what happened for me? I felt the warmth of love come into my very being and untie all the knots that had been there since I was 15. I just remember feeling a warmth and a presence of God, and I was just overwhelmed by his goodness, and that was it for me. I went back to my college dorm room, and I said, “Jesus, I need you to wait in the hall just a moment. I have some things I need to get out of this room.” And I went in, and I got out all the beer, I got out all the pornography, and I just threw it away, and I said, just come on in. And I spent all night looking through the Book of Paul, because John had said, Paul said this and Paul said that. And so I thought there was a Book of Paul. And I was, I don’t know, this is seriously what he had to work with. I had The Way Bible. I stood it on its head and I was like, help me open to the Book of Paul, and it opened up to Corinthians, “If any man be in Christ, behold, he is a new creation.” And I was like, God is talking to me! It was profound. It was amazing and I’m so thankful that my life changed.

SID: So she obviously marries John and has a family. She’s a stay at home mom.

LISA: I wanted to be in the background.

SID: Wants to, never saw a microphone she liked, wanted to be in the background as she just said. But one day she had the most vivid, the most profound vision of her life. Tell me about it.

LISA: So I went to bed one night, a large exhausted pregnant woman, and I found myself wide awake standing in front of a lioness. She was laying on her side on top of a platform of stone and on the front of the platform was the word “Numbers” and the Roman numerals XXIII. Sid, this lioness, she never moved, but I realized that she was actually more alive than me. I don’t know if anybody has, everybody is going to Heaven, but in Heaven, everything is prototype, and here it’s just shadow. It looked like her fir was combed gold. And I looked at this lioness and I felt like something inside of me was expanding. And when I felt like I actually couldn’t take anything more in, I heard a voice behind me say, “With the birth of this son, you will awaken a lioness.” And I began to shake, and I came fully awake, and it was morning time, and I was laying in my bed immersed in the presence of God thinking, what just happened? What just happened? Sid, I don’t wake fully. I take two to three hours to awake. But that particular morning, it was high alert. And when I felt like I could actually stretch my hand out, grab my NIV Bible, I opened it up to Numbers 23.

SID: Which was the Roman numeral you saw.

LISA: Roman numerals, yes. And this is what I read in verse 24: “These people rise up like a lioness. They rouse themselves like a lion that does not rest until devours its prey and drinks the blood of its victims.” I’m like, what in the world does it have to do with me? These are fierce words on fragile Bible pages. But see, the truth is, Sid, my husband had been pressing me. He had said, “It’s not right for you to be comfortable when other people are uncomfortable. It’s not right for you to be silent when so many girls in our youth group need you to be a mother to them.” And I would say, “Don’t you dare talk to me like I’m the congregation. I am your wife. You need to feel sorry for me. I have limits on my life.” And at that moment, God said, “No, actually I created you to be fearless. I created you to be free and if you can’t look around to find that, I’m going to give you a vision larger than anything you’ve seen for a fierce awakening.” And I did give birth to my fourth son, and I named him Arden Christopher, which means “fiery, determined anointed one”. And with his birth, my world began to open up. I began to try to reach—

SID: Hold that thought. The change that occurred in Lisa is wonderful. But I tell you that God wants that same change in your life. When we come back, I want to find out how Lisa’s life has changed and how it’s going to impact yours. Don’t go away.

SID: Now Brian Simmons was telling me at dinner last night about some revelations he got in translating the Bible about women. Tell me one.

BRIAN: Well there is a well-worn verse in the Bibles of many men that have used this verse and have hurt people because of possibly a mistranslation, and it’s Ephesians 5:22, “Wives submit yourselves unto your husband as unto the Lord.”

SID: That’s powerful.

BRIAN: That’s a pretty daunting command. But the Aramaic language, again, Jesus spoke in Aramaic. He taught it in Aramaic. The apostles taught in Aramaic as well. The Aramaic text is, “Wives be tenderly devoted to your husband as the church is tenderly devoted to Christ.”

SID: Big difference. Okay. How in the world did you get into the library room of Heaven? I want to go there.

BRIAN: Well you know, as believers in Christ, there’s only one entrance into the realm of the spirit, and that is the name of Yeshua, the name of Jesus Christ. We don’t work it up. We don’t get into an ecstatic state on our own. I was actually asleep and I was taken out of my body, and I was brought into this immense library room. I loved being there. And the Lord came up to me and he said, “Brian, I have brought you here to let you take any two books you want.” And I’m just walking around. But it didn’t take long before I saw a book that I knew I was to have and then soon I saw another book I knew I was to have. But you’ll never want me back on the show when I tell you what happened then.

SID: What?

BRIAN: Well I have to tell you the truth. I saw a third book and I knew the Lord told me I could only take two. And in Heaven, whatever you think is put out over the loud speaker, everyone hears it. Your thoughts are broadcasted. So here’s what I hear coming out of the loud speaker, and it’s my own thoughts, how can I steal this book. And then I said, oh, no, I’m shoplifting on God. I felt so ashamed. But I knew if I could take this book, there was this book, so, if I could just take this book back with me to the natural realm it would trigger awakening in all the nations of the earth. It would bring, it would make the name of Jesus famous in the world. But Jesus came to me and said, “Brian, I cannot let you take this book.” And he looked at me in the eyes with love that melted me and he said, “You are not ready for that book.” Then he promised that, “I will bring you back one day and I will give you that book.”

SID: What was the title?

BRIAN: Written on the cover of the book was John 22.

SID: But there’s only 21 chapters in John. What’s this 22?

BRIAN: Well John 22, go back to John 14:12 and you’ll see that there is a greater works generation. “The works that I do you will do even greater works than these.” I believe the John 22 generation will be a people that do the greater works of Jesus. They will not add to the scripture, and that’s a sealed book. But it is a book that is unfolding and the works of Jesus will be replicated by an entire generation of people that believe fully in the power of God.

SID: I want you to pray. We have less than a minute left.

BRIAN: I just want to pray for you and I have a prophetic word of knowledge. The Lord has shown me that there’s someone watching or perhaps even in the studio that had Crohn’s disease. If you have Crohn’s disease I’m speaking to you. This is a word for you. The healing fire of God right now is coming upon you and will heal you of that disease. Father, I pray blessing upon each one watching, each one, Lord, that takes part in this program today, let the blessing of the awakening wind, let the breath, the rock of God, the awakening grace come upon every one watching today and make us the day breakers that will change this planet, in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: I feel it now. How about you?

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dr. James Maloney Professor for Christ for the Nations in Dallas, Texas. I’m speaking to him at his home and he has a tremendous miracle ministry. I hope you were listening yesterday because some of these miracles like a pacemaker dissolving, having a word of knowledge knowing what’s wrong with a person. What about the person in California the woman whose teeth were rotten?

James: Well this was quite a few years ago Sid there was an usual manifestation of God’s presence in Palm Springs, California. And this lady was just scheduled to have virtually have her teeth just taken out and going to false teeth and she just came up and she said “I’ve got faith brother Jim you know that if you’ll pray for me the Lord will fill my teeth.” And it’s kind of humorous because she said I believe that it’s scriptural.” And I said “What do you mean?” She said “The Bible says open up your mouth wide and I’ll fill it.” (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

James: I don’t know how scriptural that is she’s probably taking it a little bit out of context.

Sid: Yes but if she believes it I believe that triggered her faith.

James: Yes and so I kind of laughed and said “Sister go for it.” And so overnight the Lord really truly did recreate her teeth and it was just wonderful.

Sid: Did a dentist every look at this woman?

James: Yeah she went back to her dentist her dentist there in Palm Springs area and he came out angry she told me. He came out angry and he said “You know who’s been working on your teeth; and said I’ve never used this type of material I don’t know of anyone that has this type of material.” It’s kind of humorous because you wanted to scrape some of it off and analyze it.” You know but it’s a great sign and wonder a wonderful sign and wonder.

Sid: How about the boy who was told he would never grow taller than a 6 year old.

James: Where do you get these Sid?

Sid: Oh I’m not going to reveal my trade secrets (Laughing).

James: This was in San Saba, California… San Saba, Texas excuse me in a very presidios Pentecostal church and it was again quite dramatic because this little boy Sid was stunted at birth and the Methodist brethren was kind of great because the Methodist Brethren were praying and believing asking that the service Thursday night would be the healing service that when we would pray for the little boy the little boy would grow to be normal. And so here was about a 3 year old boy that looked about 8 months a little under a year. I mean his growth was stunted and the parents said that he would not be normal. And because of his frailness and littleness there was a lot of infirmities in his body. And so I prayed and it was like you could almost hear an explosion Sid I’m not exaggerating. Everybody broke out cheering and laughing and some fell under the power and this and that and we just had a great time. But you know in the natural you didn’t see anything but about 5 months later the lady this precious lady, Mary’s her name as well Mary Brown. And she called me and she said “Brother Maloney it was really humorous she said “I’ve been trying to get in touch with you you’re a hard person to get in touch with,” because I was traveling at that time. She said “Do you remember that little boy that you prayed for 5 months ago.” And I said “Yeah” she said “The parents wanted me to ask you how do you turn it off?” “What do you mean turn it off?” She said “They buy him a pair of pants and he grows out of them in 3 days; buy him a shirt he grows out it 2 or 3 days he’s gone through 6, 7, 8 sizes changes of shoe sizes. He’s head and shoulders taller than all of the kids in his class and she repeated it “How do you turn it off?” And we just saw Mary in Brownwood, Texas Sid a few years ago and of course she’s very elderly now and she came up and she “Do you remember the little boy?” She laughs and she says “Well he was playing football as a team down here and he’s 6’ 4” and he weighs about 240 pounds.

Sid: And do you have any idea what the doctor say that said “He’d never be taller than a 6 year old?”

James: You know I don’t know doctors are unique people they really are I got great respect for them Sid, but sometimes you know people can have a tremendous miracle go to their doctor some are very open to them hey I’ll agree with that and some are just I don’t know.

Sid: Now when you were preaching outside of the West Bank there were a lot of militant people there and they literally were growling at you was that true?

James: Yes Sid I had some gentleman come into the meeting.

Sid: I’ve never had anyone growl at me.

James: You know I get all kinds of reactions around the world you know especially when you’re in deliverance of the Lord. You know the demons they don’t like what you teach and preach many times and so I was preaching and they were growling I mean they were trying to intimidate me and these were militant people, Islamic people and actually they were putting fear in me.

Sid: And actually it really was a life threatening situation.

James: It could have been it really could have been.

Sid: So were you fearful?

James: I felt this fear this spirit of fear rise up and hit me and so I stopped and I said “God what do I do in this?” And the Lord spoke to me and said “Well roar back because I’m the only true Lion of a tribe of Judah.” And so…

Sid: I love that, I love it.

James: And the Lord gave me a scripture in Ezekiel chapter 3 it says somewhere around 15 and through 26 “That when they stiffen their neck against you or set their forehead as a flint stone you stiffen your neck back.” So that’s what I did I just kind of got in their face and I just growled and I also said “I’m not going to be intimidated.”

Sid: Well did anyone ever tell you Jim that you have chutzpah, that’s a Hebrew word that means nerve?

James: Well.

Sid: I mean you’re growling back at these militants!

James: It made me angry Sid I just got angry you know I guess a holy indignation rose up because there were a lot of people there that were…

Sid: How did they react?

James: Well they just shocked look I mean a lot of them were Muslims you know they’d never you know heard the simple plan of salvation.

Sid: They’d never heard someone growl at them.

James: Oh it was kind of interesting because afterwards when I gave an alter call those 3 men came forward and gave their lives to Jesus. And a lot of the people that came that were Muslim gave their lives to Jesus and this is what they said to me they said “We know your God is real and that He’s real to you because of your boldness and your assurance and your confidence you know that you weren’t going to be intimidated at all.” And I thought my “God you know.”

Sid: Have you ever had your life supernaturally protected because I know that you minister in a lot of regions in the world with relatives.

James: Yeah, I was in a militant area of India where I was not permitted to preach and I had I called up 15 blind people. The Lord spoke to me and said “I’m going to heal them every one of them.” And so there was approximately 15 people, but I noticed that the 16^th and the 17^th person were also in the line. So I’m going down the line and I’m praying for them Sid and there wonderfully healed. I mean every blind person was getting healed perfectly made whole. And I’m feeling kind of proud I’m thinking well it’s because I fasted a lot you know I prayed you know and this extra fasting and prayers released this great authority.” But what I didn’t know was God was protecting my life because if the 15^th and the 17^th person were 2 Hindu priests. They told one another “That if one person’s not healed that shows us that his God is one that shows respect of persons and we’re going to knife him.” And they had these knives underneath their garments. Well by the time the 15^th person was healed they shook and the knives dropped to the ground. And one of the priests ran off scared screaming, but the other one bowed he gave his life to Jesus. So the Lord really protected me in that situation you know.

Sid: You know Mishpochah one of the most important things that I’ve learned is for your faith to be supernaturally through the word activated before a man or woman that moves in the gifts of miracles lays hands on you it makes all of the difference in the world. And that’s why I’ve listed to 3 audio cassette series by his wife Joy Maloney. She really has a supernatural gift of teaching and I can tell you personally my faith by listening to this was supernaturally activated. Then right after you hear these 3 just brilliant teaching by Joy Maloney, Jim prays a prayer of faith for you for the miraculous. And I don’t believe that there’s any distance with God. Out of curiosity Jim if you have ever prayed for people over the radio or on television and gotten reports that they’d been healed?

James: Absolutely, yes we have gotten several reports. The times that I’ve been on TBN, Lester Sumerall programs and others. Handkerchiefs that we’re sent to us one particular lady in Washington State was paralyzed from the waist down I believe and she was raised up and there for prayer. And yeah God does it there’s no distance in the Spirit realm.

Sid: Well I have found that God has really anointed the voice because it’s spoken word and tomorrow’s broadcast I’m going to pray that you be activated in the gift of prophecy and of words of knowledge and I believe that they’ll be so many people healed…. Jim, I know it came from God, but when did the gift of prophecy I mean I saw you just one after another just prophesying. And by the way you don’t know this but I checked up behind you and I said “Does that make any sense?” And they said “Yeah.”

James: (Laughing)

Sid: So I mean where did this gift come from it came from God but when did it start?

James: It started when I was in Bible school at “Christ for the Nations.”

Sid: Did someone lay hands on you out of curiosity and then it started or?

James: No not really but though I have to say that people have been dramatically and wonderfully used to help promote the gift of prophecy and word of knowledge and word of wisdom.

Sid: See most Prophets I meet are non-prophets they prophesy out of the flesh; it’s so wonderful when it’s the real gift.

James: Well God’s good and I mean I’ve been prophesying for over 27 years and people like Dr. Chuck Flynn and Dick Mills and many of the hearers will know them. They were instrumental in helping to release me, but I was about 18 when I gave my first word of prophecy and it was very specific to the young lady. And I think once I stepped out in tha initial word it just…

Sid: Woops we’re out of time.