Sid: My guest Elisabeth Syre is from South Africa. She’s speaking in the Leesburg, Virginia and that’s where I’m interviewing her by way of telephone. Elisabeth you move in a very extraordinary fashion in prophecy. That gift intrigues me because unfortunately many prophets I call jokingly non-prophet because what they’re saying is not from the devil, but it’s not from God. Tell me a prophecy that you prophesied over someone that came to pass. I like to hear profitable prophecies.

Elisabeth: (Laughing) That is a good way of putting it. I do believe that the Bible says in the book of Revelation that the testimony of Jesus is prophecy. Right?

Sid: Right.

Elisabeth: I would never call myself a prophet I’m a servant of the Lord, but suddenly God uses me in those ways. One particular instance that I can remember is that in South Africa where I was ministering with a lot of African pastors who were not open for many things of the Bible and they were discussing with me and said “Please share with us.” I made friends with these pastors but the one pastor was actually very racist in his way. He said “Well I do not believe that any white person could ever clean my house.” Well we had become very great friends so we could be open with one another what he thought and he knew that I wasn’t racist. So I said to him “You know Pastor Russell I believe that God is going to send you a white masa who’s cleaning the house for you. I believe it will be your healing and it will be the healing for this girl.” I had forgotten about that word but exactly 2 months later the telephone rang and from Austria where I minister often a lady phoned me “I’ve put a young lady on the plane it’s Christmas time. She is near suicide and you are able to help her.” She didn’t ask me, she just put her on the plane very sort of bluntly. I said “What am I doing my family is coming over?” I said “What is her name?” She said “Her name is Martha.” I said “Welcome, she can come.” So I phoned Pastor Russell I said “Russell your masa is coming. She’s coming tomorrow morning by plane.” He said “Hallelujah!” It was Christmas time and they made great friends and masa was totally delivered from suicidal attempts and Pastor Russell was healed of all his resentment towards white people. So that is a prophecy that really was profitable. The other one was for a friend of mine in Cape Town, South Africa. They had lost everything, they had been portrayed in a congregation and they came to me and were brought by a friend named Julie. They sat in my living room I didn’t know anything about them and I said “Wow! You have a lot…” the Lord said through me, I believe that it was the Lord speaking and that all their debts would be gone by the end of the year and they would get a call to country with high mountains where they would live in a very large house near a major city and start a Christian center. It would be in a country where there would be snow and there would be like a river flowing down the valley. I said “Well I hardly believe what I am saying,” but they said “Hallelujah! We’ll take it!” Exactly a few months later the head of the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship of Austria came to Cape Town; asked me to setup meetings, which I did. Here was the couple they took him and on the way he prophesied “Come to Austria we need you, Austria needs you.” They packed up everything only with $10 left in their pocket and they came to Austria a couple of years ago. Started there and as they had nothing they just prayed all day. In a little cafeteria they met a Catholic doctor who offered them a big house free of charge and they started a Christian center. At this moment it is one of the biggest congregations in Innsbruck in Austria and these friends are still there. The prophecy was totally true it was to the point it came out. They are very happy there and they are doing much better than in South Africa God really blessed them.

Sid: There are strategic times in people’s lives…

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: …that if they can get a direct word of confirmation it literally changes their whole destiny.

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: This couple you just described do they believe that that prophetic word literally birthed this great congregation?

Elisabeth: Yes. Yes they know it, they know it. They actually know their whole life changed as they moved to Austria. I think they also brought a big miracle to Austria because they have a love for Israel and the whole city of Innsbruck is more open than any other city in Austria for listening to the Jewish voice to what the Lord is saying about Israel.

Sid: And Austria is one of the dark countries from the viewpoint of anti-Semitism, so God in His mercy raised that group. What about angels? Have you ever seen an angel?

Elisabeth: Yes I have had encounters with angels. First of all, when I was travelling one day I travelled from Germany, Denmark to Sweden. On the train, and the train goes right onto a ferry and it’s a very big ferry with a shop and everything in it. I decided to quickly buy some presents for the pastor I would meet in Sweden. So I took my bag and my purse and I went into the tax free shop and bought it and I came back and looked for my train and the train was gone. I was really was very sort of… I didn’t know I felt panic. I said “Lord where is my train?” I asked one of the men on the boat and he said “Well the train already has moved to the station so if you run maybe you’ll see it.” I started running running with my bag and coffee in my hand and eventually I found the train, but the man in the station did not want to open the doors it was all locked up because the train came from the boat, from the ferry. So I decided “This is my train. I have to stand, I have to take this train. It’s the very last train to Sweden and to the meeting and I have to have this train.” So I held onto the handle of the door stood on the little board and I said “Father give me the strength that I can hold on till the next time. Help me Lord to get into this train and nobody would open it.” The train started shouting from one wheel to the next and as I looked up I saw a man dressed in white with eyes looking like coals almost, like fiery coals and waving the hand and saying “Just go down I’ll open the door.” I didn’t hear any language but I saw the eyes and I knew it was fine. I stepped down very deeply onto the rails and it was in a second I was in the train. He said “Follow me” and he even mentioned my name. He said “Follow me Elisabeth.” I followed then he pointed me out to where my backpack was and my Bible was. He said “That’s your place have a wonderful trip. God bless you.” I said “Lord I know him. Do I know this man he looks so different.” So I tried to find a little card or something in my backpack and I wanted to thank, and I walked right through the train there was no person with that attire on. I asked the conductor he said “There is no such a person.” He looked at me quite strangely and I realized that I had just rescued by an angel. Yes and I came in time for my meeting in Sweden. I’ve had situations where people forgot to pick me up from the plane or from the train but I started to pray and say “Hallelujah” and started to pray in a new language. Then suddenly somebody picked me up and said “I’ve been sent to pick you up and take you to this place and when I looked the person was gone. Yes I’ve had encounters with… I believe that they couldn’t have been normal situations…

Sid: According to my notes you have literally heard angels singing. What is that like?

Elisabeth: Oh that is amazing, that is amazing. In Germany in a meeting there were all very people… very skeptical because they are very big minded people. They had invited my to share something in a little meeting like that. But before the meeting a woman that needed badly prayer because she was ill asked me to come into her room. As we were in that room I said “Do you know Jesus?” So she knew Jesus, so I said “Well God wants to fill you with His presence and His glory.” So she went on her knees and she was from Hungary originally. She went onto her knees and she started to say “Lord I don’t know what to say, I don’t know what to say, will you say it?” As she was praying and pouring out her heart suddenly the whole room was filled with metallic sounds which I can’t explain. It was just like a whole waterfall of sounds. I thought maybe there is something happening outside. I looked out of the window and nothing was there. She said “Oh the angels!” she said “Angels are singing!”

Sid: So you both heard it at the same time.

Elisabeth: We both heard it at the same time. Then she started to sing with these angels in a new language. She was so touched she was healed instantaneously, then we went over to the meeting and I said “Oh my goodness it’s the first time I’m here and they won’t understand because you know these people are mind people. Father please protect me send forth your ministering angels because I can’t talk about this in a new group.” I’m very careful. Then suddenly she said “Oh I heard the angels saying ‘I’m healed! I’m healed!’” The people looked very strange I said “Jesus don’t leave me here alone let something happen.” Suddenly the whole room was filled with it, with that same sound.

Sid: Have you ever… out of curiosity smelled the perfume of the Lord?

Elisabeth: Yes I’ve smelled that, I’ve smelled perfume. In Denmark in a meeting I said “The fragrance of the Lord is here” and all over there was fragrance. I’ve seen manna, manna appearing with a pastor in Germany that really loves Israel. He calls himself the Shalom Fellowship. He prays for daily with his whole group…

Sid: Is there a connection with the release of miracles and loving the Jew in Israel?

Elisabeth: Yes! Absolutely you’ve got the point! Yes! That’s what… When we love Israel and we stand with the God of the Bible and we stand up for the land, plus we have total respect for the anointing of the Holy Spirit no matter if we understand it or not. We don’t always have to understand it we just say “Lord we believe with all of our heart in you.” You know what’s happening? Miracles are being released.

Sid: You know I believe miracles are going to be released on tomorrow’s broadcast. Let me read a scripture Mishpocha, Romans 10:14 speaking about the Jewish people. “How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? How should they believe in Him of Whom they’ve not heard? And how should they hear without a preacher? How shall they preach unless they are sent?” You know this show is done a month in advance and I’m about ready to jump on an airplane with my wife to go to Odessa, Ukraine to have meetings. This is becoming so dark this land, so ant-Semitic this may be one of the last chances to do evangelistic meetings to Jewish people. I believe multitudes are going to be saved and they’re going to be red hot for Jesus and go to Israel, then out of Zion the word of the Lord will go forth and the whole thing in the Bible is happening.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is RT Kendall, I’m speaking to him in his home in Key Largo, Florida. RT is the former Senior Minister from Westminster Chapel in London, England. He holds a PhD from Oxford University. But as far as I’m concerned this book I’m holding in my hands is a key to have you change your whole destiny, your whole life. The title “Total Forgiveness” subtitle “When Everything in You Wants to Hold a Grudge, Point a Finger and Remember the Pain God Wants You to Lay It All Aside.” What did Oral Roberts say when he read this book?

RT: Well, I was almost overwhelmed. He said he’s 80 years old he said “It’s one of the best books that he’s read in his whole life and that if he had a choice between a fortune and this book he would choose this book.” Now that’s what he said. What has been so thrilling is to have endorsement of a man like Oral Roberts who’s on one end of the theological spectrum and then D. James Kennedy at the other end.

Sid: Well I’m going to read his quote “This is a book that should be read around the world.” D. James Kennedy.

RT: And then Tony Campolo has just sent in a endorsement that will come in a future edition and I was just thrilled at what he said “This is a book that crosses denominational and theological lines. Because I don’t care if whether you’re a Calvinist or a Charismatic nearly everybody that you’ve run into they’ve had some problem at sometime forgiving somebody.”

Sid: Let me ask you a question before time slips away something when I was just having conversation with John Arnott the pastor from the Toronto Church where I was speaking a few weeks ago and he was telling me about how forgiveness is a key for healing and he told me a story and something just exploded inside of me something I didn’t personally do that I needed to do. And that was before I was a believer and even after I was a believer when I sinned I repented and God completely forgave me and I knew it, however I really was beating myself up I hadn’t forgiven myself.

RT: Hm.

Sid: And I immediately when I found this key if you will I held up these sins that I knew I was forgiven for from the past, I knew that God didn’t remember them anymore and I asked God, I told God “I choose to forgive myself” and I could feel layers coming off of me.

RT: Well I have a whole section in the book “Total Forgiveness” on forgiving yourself.

Sid: Now tell me a couple of keys.

RT: Well the key is realized God wants you to forgive yourself and if God wants you to do it and you don’t forgive yourself you’re in disobedience. And it’s a form of self-righteousness as if you’re going to punish yourself for doing it, He’s not punishing you. What are you trying to do atone for your own sins…

Sid: (Laughing)

RT: For not forgiving yourself? So it’s a selfish thing we think it’s kind of unselfish but it’s the opposite and it’s counter-productive and another point of total forgiveness it’s not total until you have forgiven God, you’ve forgiven them, and you have forgiven yourself.

Sid: Now you know some thing that concerns me is that’s when you just said “Forgiving God.” There are many people that falsely blame God for circumstances that they’ve triggered by their own actions or the devil has done and it’s such a misunderstanding I don’t see how anyone in their right mind could be angry with God it’s a lack of knowledge that causes this.

RT: Well they have to forgive God nonetheless that he let it happen and a lot of people their bitterness is ultimately directed at God Himself they don’t realize it at first.

Sid: You have an acrostic in your Chapter 4 “Playing God.” It is sooo important, explain that.

RT: An acrostic is a word when you spell it it will summarize a premise a major point. For example this acrostic is need n-e-e-d so when you get ready to speak ask will saying this meet the other person’s need so you put it through:

First – Is it necessary?

Second – Will it encourage?

Third – Will it edify?

Fourth – Will it dignify that person?

Need – necessary, encourage, edify, dignify.

And if we can have presence of mind to remember those four things every time we open our mouth: Is it necessary to say this? Is this going to encourage? Is this going to edify? And will it dignify that person? We would say maybe 1/10 of what we might have said and it will help curve our tongue as much as anything I’ve come across. It’s just a little acrostic to say the Lord gave me that I don’t want to push it that hard but it certainly been a blessing to people and I’ve had people come up to me and say “That’s the best thing they’ve ever come across” to help them in their daily lives when they’re getting ready to speak to avoid the unguarded calm action “Will it meet a need in that other person? Is it necessary? Will it encourage? Does it edify and does it dignify that person?

Sid: You many times when I’m speaking I’m praying about the “What do You want me to say Lord?” I’m talking about when I’m speaking publically and then I’ll have a thought about something and then I’ll have an immediate thought “It doesn’t edify.” And I…even though what I saying is true I shouldn’t say it I get checked.

RT: Exactly. Well I think at the end of the day the ultimate proof that you’ve totally forgiven is when you ask the Lord to forgive them and bless them as though they didn’t do anything at all. And when you can say “Father forgive them” and mean it. You know Jesus didn’t say “I forgive you.” He said “Father You forgive them You let them off the hook.”

Sid: In other words when you say “Well I’ll forgive them,” but in our heart we hope God will send down His…

RT: Yeah.

Sid: His lightning on them. (Laughing)

RT: That’s it so when you ask God to do it He…one day it was kind of like the Lord said back to me RT do you really want me to bless them, you want me to bless them as though they didn’t even do anything? And I had to think “Woops hang on…second.” We sometimes say “Lord bless them but we hope He doesn’t.”

Sid: Well the ultimate to me is of course Jesus but the one that I’m thinking of is Steven he’s being stone to death and he saying “Don’t hold this sin against them.” How could he have even done that?

RT: You just touched one of my heroes. The key to the anointing of Steven that shine on his face he looked like an angel.

Sid: Right.

RT: He had totally forgiven those people he had totally forgiven them that’s why he had that anointing. And when they pray for people they say “Lord I just commit these people to you. That’s not good enough God wants us to say “Lord do forgive them, do bless them.” And that’s when they’re set free, we’re set free, we set God free.

Sid: RT we just have a couple of minutes left I want to redeem the time. The most important that the Holy Spirit could present on this subject please tell us.

RT: The way not to grieve the Spirit is never to point the finger. In my own personal life I read Luke 6:37 every day of the year “Do not judge and you will not be judged, do not condemn and you will not be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven.” I read it every day because I want to be sure that every day all day long I do nothing to grieve the Spirit because I just want a greater anointing. And I know that when I speak against people, when I gossip, or when I point the finger the dove the Holy Spirit will flutter away it’s the last thing I want. So the bottom line to keep the anointing and to see the anointing increased it’s a lifestyle of total forgiveness.

Sid: That is the thought, we still have a little time but you know a big one that I notice RT is when someone hurts someone that I love I might take up a greater offense than the person they even hurt.

RT: You know Sid you’re about to open Pandora’s box right at the end of this week but I need to tell you the hardest time that I ever have in forgiving is when they’ve hurt our children. And we’ve seen eyes of our kids hurt I remember one day one Sunday and I looked at the congregation and there was a person that had hurt our daughter I mean hurt her deeply. And I thought “How dare that person come into this church like that.” And it was like the Lord said to me “Wait a minute you’re praying for revival. What if revival were withheld all because you want me to condemn that person?” And I just immediately it took all of grace I could come up with. It was like you know the story of Cory Ten Boone when she saw the man that had been so cruel to her?

Sid: I do but unfortunately we don’t have enough time.

Sid: Hi Sid Roth here with Larry Sparks and Larry has been studying revivals and there is a lot to be learned as far as anything they did we can do. And I believe that we’re so close to the return of Jesus we can even do it better. Tell me some of the things that you’ve learned about studying previous revivals.

Larry: Well first thing is I immediately I think of the Welsh revival there’s a man named Evan Roberts. This man was desperate for God. He was hungry to seek God he was hungry to see God move in his city and his nation in a powerful way. And the thing that we learn from Evan Roberts is that there is a need for perseverance. You know one thing that I read that he wrote is that “I said to myself I will have the Spirit,” and through all weathers and despite all difficulties I went to the meetings. He was constantly in atmosphere and environments where the Holy Spirit was moving he was constantly doing what he could to keep himself hungry. He said…and this is what gets me he said “For 10 or 11 years I have prayed for revival. I could sit up all night to read or talk about revivals it was the Spirit who moved me to think about revival for 10 or 11 years. Now I’m not saying that that’s always the case where we have to pray for 10 or 11 years but Evan Roberts tells us that there is perseverance that is needed to experience the breakthrough. As a result I believe that the Welsh revival, this man carried he prayed for this for 11 years and he saw over 11,000 people come to know Jesus.

Sid: But what about someone like Katherine Kuhlman what did you learn from her?

Larry: I learned from Katherine Kuhlman that there’s always more and that’s interesting to think because Katherine Kuhlman was somebody I wish I had known because here’s this lady who walked in unusual miracle healing anointing. I mean her healings here I go on YouTube I go on the computer and I watch them and her demeanor and her kindness and compassion it just it’s just amazing. And the miracles would just breakout in the presence of God. But I’ll never forget I watched her talk to the Student Body at Oral Roberts University and the first thing she said this to me was the secret of her ministry. The first thing she said as she opened in prayer is she said “God there’s no one here that’s hungrier for more than me.” And I thought to myself Katherine wait a minute your hungry for more, you’re seeing things that we desire to see, you’re seeing things these amazing miracles just popping left and right in those services, in those meetings and yet here she was saying “God there’s no one hungrier for more than me.” So how does that translate, what does that mean? It means that the God that lives inside of us is enormous He is huge, He is great! And Katherine recognized this Katherine knew this that the Spirit of God who lived inside of her was capable was capable of accomplishing anything. And she had stepped into a certain measure of anointing, of power, or miracles but she wasn’t satisfied she was wanting more. And Sid I believe there’s some listeners who are tuning and there’s a couple of categories and I think the Lord really wants to minister to just based on that word, just based on that word from Kathryn back in the 1970’s for those of you who feel like “You know what I’ve never experienced the filling of the Holy Spirit, I’ve never been filled with the Spirit, I believe in Jesus He’s my Savior but I’ve never encountered God. I’ve never encountered God like you’re talking about I believe the Holy Spirit wants to fill you. And I believe that those that have been filled with the Holy Spirit and maybe you’ve spoken in tongues, maybe you operated in prophecy, or gifts of the Spirit and I believe that there’s more. In the Book of Hebrews it talks about the elementary things of the faith has repentance and baptisms, baptism plural. And I believe that there are multiple baptisms we can experience in the Spirit. Yes we get certain gifts but I believe that there are so much more that we can walk in.

Sid: Larry tell me a contemporary someone now that is in the forefront of revival and what you learned from that person.

Larry: One person I actually gotten to spend a good amount of time with is Randy Clark and some of you may know Randy Clark as the evangelist God used to really help to ignite the Toronto Renewal Blessing. God’s used him in a powerful way in healing and teaching other people in activating them in healing ministry. What I’ve seen in Randy is 2 qualities 2 keys to sustaining a life of revival. We all want revival we all want the move of God we all want to experience God. And God wants to touch you but I also want to encourage you God wants to transform you and in Randy’s life I see these 2 keys that were humility and hunger. Now what does that look like? Humility recognizes that there’s so much more of God that I’m presently experiencing. And Randy was a leader he was a pastor, he was somebody as leaders and pastors it’s easy for us to think “Well even though deep down I’m hungry for God I don’t want to show it in front of my people, I don’t want that to be a sign of weakness no that’s the greatest strength because when you lead a church or ministry or people or Bible study and you’re hungry you’re leading them into the same place that you’re going. And that’s what happened with Randy he got hungry he had these dramatic encounters with God starting in 1984 where everything for him and his church changed. He had an impartation of healing and then his church became a place where God would move for moving. He had in 1989 he had another encounter and then God used him in a greater measure with words of knowledge and healing. And then finally I believe it was 1993 the Lord touched him in a very different way each encounter was unique and different but each encounter made him want more. And there was that humility that said “God I know that there’s more” and hunger which was that driving force that caused Randy to go to different places to interact with different people who were experiencing the move of God he was not to a point of arrogance to where he thought “I don’t need to go somewhere if God’s going to touch me He’s going to touch me wherever I am. Now sometimes we need to go somewhere because it demonstrates true desperation and hunger for God.

Sid: I’m feeling a presence of God and one of the things people say about when they read your book even though it’s brand new we’ve read the manuscript before it became a book that it stirs them up to such hunger for God. I can’t think of a more important thing. So would you pray for people right now that they’d be stirred up, that they’d be hungry for God?

Larry: Yes, yes. Father we thank You that there is more, thank You that every time that we go to the Bible and we look at Jesus we see that there’s more and we are just discontent living where we are. It’s not condemnation we don’t feel bad about where we are we get excited because we know wow God there’s so much more; so I pray for those that feel “You know Larry I want to be filled with the Holy Spirit right now.” I pray in the name of Jesus the people that are listening who desire to be filled for the first time ever Holy Spirit touch them from the crown of their heads to the soles of their feet fill them to overflowing, give them just a mighty baptism in Your Spirit. And I pray that it’ll be a deep and profound encounter God that they will live out of that they will be able to live their life out of that. And that God that it’ll be such a memorable moment that they will always have it as a reference point in their life. And for those you that think to themselves “You know what I’ve been filled with the Spirit in the past I’ve had an experience, I’ve been baptized in the Spirit but there’s something inside me that wants more; I’m not just content to just having this one gift or doing this other thing; I’m not content to wear a spiritual merit badge saying well I was baptized in the Holy Spirit now what?” The now what Paul says “Be filled with the Holy Spirit.” And the Greek means to be ever filled, there’s no end the increase of His government no end of the increase of how much Spirit of God can fill you in the earth there’s no end. So right now I pray for those of you who either you’re hungry for another touch or you’re just on fire and your just saying “You know what I’ll take as much more as God wants to give me.” Holy spirit I just ask You to release that in peoples rooms, in peoples cars wherever they’re listing God give them a deep and profound encounter God and bring them to that place of more or more; God that it just wouldn’t be a moment it just wouldn’t be an encounter and experience I pray for sustained measurable results that they would actually see life change on a continuous everyday basis because of these encounters that we’re praying for right now in Jesus Name.

Sid: …After all of these years and having such a hunger for God how do you still have a hunger for God?

Larry: I do that by just doing some very practical things and I’ve mentioned them but I have seasons and times when I feel my faith is dry I remind myself of what He’s done I listen to testimonies I watch testimonies, I read revival books, I crave stories about what God has done and what God is doing. Maybe some of the most powerful ones is I actually remind myself of my own encounters that I’ve had with God and just remind myself. And I ask Him I ask the Lord to take me back to that moment like smell the smells and hear the sounds and bring me back to that moment of encounter and remind me how powerful it was. Remind me truly of what I have living inside of me.

Sid: Is this the generation that is going to see the greatest revival the world has ever seen?

Larry: I believe it is, I believe it is because this generation…so many people look at this generation and say “It’s a fearless generation, it’s a reckless generation.” It’s a generation that I believe is wired to crave the supernatural and the problem is that if we as the church don’t give them the Biblical foundation of walking in the supernatural they are going to look for it somewhere else and we cannot…that must be illegal on our watch they cannot go to the New Age, they cannot go to the occult, they can’t go to witchcraft or what Hollywood has and all of the different places because the supernatural should be natural to every single Christian.

Sid: You heard yesterday how excited I was at the Days of Elijah Celebration, how about Dr. Michael Brown. He speaks reads or writes 12 Semitic languages a true scholar but deep in the Spirit. I want you to hear his heart in reference to the history, the sad history of what many call Christian anti-Semitism.

Dr. Michael Brown: How is it that in our day… let me read you something. In our day this last year June of last year a number of world Christian leaders representing major denominations wrote a letter listen to this:

June 2001 Christian Leaders representing church representatives ranging from Catholic to American Baptist, Anglican, to United Methodist, to reform church of America, to African Methodist Episcopal, to Evangelical Lutheran to, Korean Presbyterians, to Greek Orthodox, to Mennonite, to Moravian, to National Council of Churches USA wrote to Secretary of State Koln Powell and urged him not to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capitol at this time.

How in the world? “We tremble to consider the destructive consequences that would follow the premature moving as called for by Congress of the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.”

Just got this by email a few days ago reported in the Washington Post July 23. Some Christian leaders wrote to President Bush among them professors from Wheaton College some of the finest Christian Schools in America. Evangelical leaders, leaders of prison fellowship, I’m talking about godly evangelical men and women, not just Christians in name only but people who would be well know the editor of the most major Christian magazine in the world. They wrote to President Bush “The American Evangelical Community is not a monolithic block and full and firm support of the present Israel policy.” They said prayly “Don’t get the idea Mr. President that all Evangelicals stand with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and endorse Israel all the time; and you need to work much more on behalf of the Palestinians and don’t show such favoritism to Israel.”

What in the world is going on? I’m going to explain it in a little while but I want you to feel the weight of it and the reality of it because this is truth and you can’t just stick your head in the sand and say it didn’t happen.

About 10 years ago a Christian group asked me to come into Yale University and ask me to do an outreach and we felt to come in at a different angle and the angle was this. We asked the question, why is there anti-Semitism all around the world, what are the roots of it in history and today? And our answer was there is a diabolical demonic a devilish plot to destroy the Jews because the Jews special calling and the Messiahship of Jesus. That was the angle and we felt from the Lord to do that.

I got up and I lectured for about an hour and then we took questions maybe we had 70 or 80 people there but 30 or 40 of them were non-believing Jews mainly students at Yale. And one by one for about an hour and 3/4s they raised questions to try to refute my argument. One after another tried to come at it from every angle and in the end they ran out of arguments. One religious Jew came up to me and said “I’ve never seen the opposition so graciously dismantled.” It wasn’t that I was so brilliant it was that there’s something going on here. Think about it for a minute. Why is it that communist, who are atheist, have been known for Jew hatred, that the fascias, the Nazi’s who are enemies of the communist were Jew haters? Why is it that Islam is filled with hatred of the Jewish people and produces what we see today with suicide bombers blowing Jews up in the name of Allah?   How do you get that?

You can go to a country like Japan most Japan most Japanese people have never met a Jew in their lives and there has been bestselling books written in Japan during times of economic challenge in recent years saying that the problem in Japan is the economy is the fault of the Jew. And in the Middle Ages when people are dying of the black-death Jews were blamed and they said “They poisoned the wells.” They were slaughtered those that didn’t die were then slaughtered.

How is it you have Jew hatred in Islam and communism? How is it you have white supremacist in America, Ku Klux Klan type of people. White supremacy filled with racism and black supremacy who hate whites and they both hate each other but they have one thing in common they also hate the Jews and honor Adolf Hitler.

Then the same spirit, listen look at the media if you go around the world and watch CNN International, or BBC World News, or Star News International you get outside of America it’s even worse than in our country. You know what they refer to when a Palestinian blows himself up and kills children, mothers and young people, elderly people. You know what they call it? So called terrorism! The Palestinians who we pray for and love and while she’s saved and are friends of ours and involved in reaching out to them with the Good News of Yeshua. But here they are singing and dancing in the streets after 911 it’s a great day of celebration. And Israel calls for National Day of Mourning and the media sympathy is its Israel’s fault that 911 even happened.

How in the world is it? Why the intensity of the hatred and how did it even creep in among God’s people? There’s a reason for this, there’s something diabolical, there’s something demonic, there’s something larger going on! And none of the simple answers work, let me tell you first what happened in the church, and let me tell you why spiritually this is going on and then in the end bring you some encouragement.

Look down in Romans 11. Paul is speaking to Gentile believers and he calls them Gentiles it’s not an insult. But see Paul was dealing with the problem. You know after all the Jews were the favorite sons and daughters that got to sit and feast at the table now they’re outside and we’re enjoying the feasts. What are you going to begin to think? Their out, we’re in, their old, we’re new we have replaced them! They are no longer important they forfeited their role and we have now taken over. So Paul twice in the chapter warns them the end of verse 20 “Do not be arrogant but be afraid.” Then verse 25 “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mysteries brothers so that you may not be conceited.” This is what happened. Ignorance brought about insecurity and insecurity brought about arrogance and turned into Jew hatred even in the church or at least the so called church.

What was the mystery? Paul said “Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentles come in.” In other words not all Jews have been hardened there is still a remnant it’s only in part and it is not for all time. In the end after this vast harvest of Gentiles has come in there will be a softening of Jewish hearts and a turning back of Jewish people to the Messiah. So the hardening is not forever and the hardening is not complete. In other words God is not finished with Israel, God has not replaced Israel. The Church is not the new Israel that has displaced the old.

An editor of a Christian publisher emailed me the other day we worked with him through the years and he said “Mike I just got a proposal by so and so.” I knew the man’s name he’s a fine Christian author, he’s written some excellent pieces. He said “Mike would you look at this proposal this is in your area it’s on the missing piece of prophecy.” I said “I’ll do my guest to get on it I’m busy I have other commitments but I’ll do my best to get on it and get back to you.” I was hoping to do so in a few days but I began to glance at the proposal within a couple of minutes I wrote him back “Run from this like the plague!” The whole thing was how the church has a misunderstanding of Israel and how the church stands with modern political Israel has nothing to do with end-time restoring Israel instead we need to stay with the Palestinians. And what happened was this man of compassion and care went over saw hardship suffering in midst of the Palestinian people didn’t understand the history of it, didn’t understand that has been a choice by the Arab world to leave them as a sore spot to make Israel look bad; it’s been a determined choice it never happened like that. Most Palestinian suffering is not the problem of Israel it’s the problem of the Arab world. I deal with that in “Our Hands are Stained with Blood” and nothing has changed with that within the last 10 years and just gotten worse. Of course we have compassion and pity on these people, but I couldn’t believe this guy too got it wrong. And now he’s got a burden to write about it. I’m not a alarmist trust me I don’t get all worked up.

But when the book came out in 1988 “Eighty-eight Reasons Why Jesus is Coming in 1988” I think He was coming back in September 12^th or something. Somebody said to me “Mike are you going to read the book?” I said “Yeah on September 13.” I don’t really care about the sensationalistic stuff and all of this but I’m telling you something is going on that is very disturbing and very distressing. And if you know history the question is why should we be the exception to the rule? Why should America hang on and do what other nations have not done? It’s very tenuous right now.

I tremble sometimes when I see what goes on in the White House you think that will affect the entire nation that will affect the world.

Sid: Will pick up right here on tomorrow broadcast.