SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest was taught the most supernatural prayer on Earth. Now millions of people are praying this prayer and this is what they’re experiencing. They hear God’s voice clearly. Their prayers are answered and their intimacy with God is off the charts. Do you want him to teach this to you? Well you know, the Gentile is supposed to provoke the Jew jealousy. You provoke me to jealousy. How does one family have 38 immediate family members in ministry? How is that possible?

CLEDDIE: Well it began with a miracle, Sid. There were people that were praying. I had an uncle that married into, my aunt married an uncle who was backslidden. I believe God moves through families. And so his brother was working on a road crew outside of Austin, Texas, and he got his arm in a rock crusher, and he pulled his arm off, pulled the shoulder blade off. And so they didn’t have the doctors. They didn’t have the medicine and the know-how back in the early 1940s, and so they prayed and God saved his life. And out of that one miracle our entire family was impacted because we had no question it was God. My family prayed. My mother was not a praying woman, but after that, my mother became a praying woman.

SID: You said to me that miracles are an evidence of a greater reality.

CLEDDIE: When God works a miracle, whatever kind of miracle it is, it’s an evidence of a greater reality and then we know that there is more beyond. There’s a supernatural.

SID: One miracle settles the argument, would you agree?

CLEDDIE: Oh, I agree with all my heart.

SID: But at 19 you didn’t feel that way. At 19, you were running from God.

CLEDDIE: I was like a lot of kids in Christian families. I didn’t make a commitment to Christ. I was in Tucson, Arizona, and I ended up one morning in a house, and I walked down the hallway to the bathroom, and I looked in the mirror, and God spoke to me, and he said, “What are you living for?” And at that point I knew I had no purpose in my life, but God gave me a purpose at that moment because my choice was to live for him, and I had faith in Christ as my savior at that moment.

SID: How about you? What are you living for? You’ve even seen the dead raised. Tell me about one.

CLEDDIE: I was over in England preaching in Sheffield, England. It was like probably the revival Bible days of Welsh, the Welsh revival. They were jammed. They were standing at the sides of the building. And I called a song leader, not a worship leader, a song leader, you remember those kind of song leaders. I called him up to pray over him, and when I did a spirit of prophecy came on me, and I said, “You’re going to minister. You’re going to lead worship to hundreds and hundreds of people. I see great crowds.” Well the guy died right under my hand.

SID: No! So they’d better not have a lot of rocks to throw at you.

CLEDDIE: I was in England. I could just see the newspaper the next day: “American Speaker/Preacher Kills the Song Leader in Church”. You know, they’re not really friendly over there in the newspapers. But what happened was at that time I called up some of the old-timers, actually the man that was had died under my hand, Smith Wigglesworth was his father-in-law’s best friend, and Smith Wigglesworth died at his father-in-law’s funeral. Mr. Richardson, he died at his funeral in Wakefield, England. And so I called up his wife, I called up C.L. Park’s wife, who was legendary, and I called up a surgery nurse to come and to check him. What took place was the pastor and I got down behind this big wooden pulpit. I was so thankful for that big wooden pulpit. It was as big as a battleship. I mean, I was never so appreciative not having a little transmitter. And I leaned over his corpse and I said, “Paul, he’s dead.” And he looked at him, and he said, “Nobody can see us.” And he said, “He was no minor. He’s clocked out.” In other words, he punched out and fell down. And we called the ladies up there and we prayed. And I wasn’t God’s man of faith and power. I was God’s man of paste and flour. I’m telling you, at that point I was really totally dependent on God, I mean totally dependent. And we prayed for him and God touched Mr. Park. God touched him, brought him back to life. The nurse was in shock because she had pronounced him dead. We took him over and set him a cane back chair. It was setting up against the wall and he sat there for the rest of the meeting just like this. I mean, he was totally just, it was like he was a stiff. He was alive and he was breathing, but I was never so thankful for an answered prayer.

SID: Okay. There is something that you teach that is so phenomenal and most believers go their whole life and they don’t even realize they’re in a spiritual battle. Comment on that.

CLEDDIE: You know, it’s like this. I tell people that they know they’re in spiritual warfare if they had jet lag and they hadn’t been anywhere. And so it’s like right now we see a lot of that in churches where people, they’ve been thinking, their minds have been working. How are we going to work this out? What’s going to happen in the future? Well I don’t preach to people’s heads. I preach to their hearts. I don’t preach to the church like she’s a widow. I preach to the church like she’s a bride. And so what changed my life was seeing the Kingdom of God differently because where there is a kingdom there has got to be a throne, and where there’s a throne there has to be a king, and where there’s a king there will be petition, and where there’s a king there will be worship, and that’s exactly what transformed my life is I came into the realization that God hears and answers prayer, but I came to him as the King of kings and the Lord of lords. I wasn’t a beggar, I was his son. I wasn’t an orphan, I was his child. I wasn’t defeated, I was victorious. And I’m thinking right that there’s a lot of people that come to God like he is a beggar. You don’t have to come to God another day like you’re a beggar. You’ve been adopted into the family of God. I have an adopted son and he is as much my son as our natural born daughter. And if you will begin to understand he wants you to pray and prayers that include his purpose in your life then your life can be transformed.

SID: So for you, prayer isn’t drudgery or religious, or routine. What is prayer?

CLEDDIE: Prayer is dialogue. Prayer is talking to my Father. Prayer is my Father talking to me.

SID: Okay. I am ready for him to release what God taught him as the single most supernatural prayer on Earth. I know you’re not going away.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is red hot for the Messiah her name is Mary Jo Clouse and I’m speaking to her at her home at Lake Mary, Florida.  And I have a copy of her most recently book called “Getting Free.”  And she’s a very popular speaker for the Charisma Woman’s Conference every year as I explained on yesterday’s broadcast because she has been doing it for at least 7 years now they come back and they say “Boy the teaching that you gave made has made such a revolutionary change in my life.” So Mary Jo I’d like to start out with some definitions.  Tell me how we can identify what the blessings are and how we can identify what the curses are especially the ones that passes on from generation to generation. But a lot of people don’t realize this but blessings pass on from generation also.

Mary Jo: Yes they do.   Well first of all I want to say that a blessing has been exalted which means being lifted up, walking in divine health that it reaches about every area of your life that your life touches others that it influences them and makes their life better.  Prosperity and that’s not just having a lot of money in your bank account but that’s prosperity of your spirit soul and body so that you are free from the judgmental critical spirit, your free of bitterness, your free of envy your free of strife and you’re just prospering in every area of your life your happy your having a good time you’re enjoying life, you’re walking in victory and you know that you have the favor of God in your life.  But a curse is like you reach a certain pinnacle of success and then it’s like the rug is come out from under you and here you go again you’re on a roller coaster humiliated and there’s failure in your life and maybe you’re not even able to have children, there’s bareness in your life.  You can have all kinds of barrenness in your life you can be barrenness as essentials and you also can be barren of the fact that you’re not able to love and give love. And I think that when you’re under a generational curse sometimes woman are frigid and they’re so needy that their marriages are not good because they’re trying to draw all of their life from their husband. And God says two whole people come together come together make a good marriage but two half people coming together do not make a whole you are two half people trying to find your identity in that person. And my identity is in Christ Jesus not in my husband not in someone else but it’s who Jesus Christ made me but it’s through Jesus Christ made from the very foundations of this earth.  And He knew me even before I was formed in my mother’s womb and that I was fearfully and I was fearfully and uniquely made and I was made in His likeness and His image.  And so that’s what I like to think that I’m under that blessing that I’m not divorced is not happening in my family and my children will not have to go through that pain that I went through of the divorce.  Because see I think that a lot of the reason I went through the divorce was because I got involved in the occult, I was rebellious toward my parents because one of the things that will bring a curse on you is because dishonoring your parents. And I think that yesterday on the program I gave the scripture Exodus 20:12 and that’s the one for honoring your parents that I gave it as the one that says “The sins of the father would be the 4^th generation and the blessings to the 1000’s.”  And that scripture is actually Exodus verses 5 and 6 where God wants to bring the blessing to the 1000^th generation. But most of us live under the curse because of something in our life that stops us from that breakthrough that God wants us to have with Him.  Actually when I repented I repented of dishonoring my parents from the things I even thought of things that I had said to them that seemed real cool at the time you know when I was a teenager but I thought “Oh God I’m sorry.” And my parents were still alive at that time and I asked God to forgive me of every rebellious act that I’ve ever been involved with and even attitudes that I had had toward them.  And it was real funny that I did that I went home to visit my parents in Arkansas and my little mom and dad were quite old at that time. And I they said “We want to apologize to you for the fact that we never had a car and we didn’t have the things that we have now and we couldn’t offer you those things and we see now that we messed up your life.” And I began to cry and I said “Mom you haven’t messed up my life you gave me love and you brought me up in a Christian home, you gave me the foundation that nobody else could give me. And I said “I love you and I’m really sorry for any rebellion or ever even leaving the church or anything that I was ever involved with that brought dishonor to you. And I really believe at that point that my health began to spring forth speedily because once that thing was broken like a heart problem after I repented the sins of my ancestors and I forgave my parents and forgave myself for being such a rebel.  And I was really not that of a person we all like to think we’re not as bad as we really were but I mean I always made a good living for my children and took good care of them but I just didn’t…I didn’t want to stay in the church that my mom and dad was in because there was a lot of legalism in the church a lot of no’s and not a lot of do’s.  So when my husband and I did start attending a church we attended an evangelical type church and I learned about the love of God and the acceptance of God.  And so after I had repented to them I could even feel even more relief like more bondages coming off of me and I felt light hearted and good.  And then another thing that will bring a curse on you is the elicit our natural sex up.  Young people listen to me don’t get involved sexually with your boyfriend save yourself for marriage. That’s why God created the marriage bed and blessed the marriage bed and said to marry and multiply and He didn’t say to us to commit sex before marriage and to get into all of the things that get into venereal diseases and HIV and all of the other things that come from unnatural sex. Only natural sex is in the marriage bed so I would say to you I would plead with you please keep yourself pure and holy before God because God’s laws work. And Leviticus 20 verse 10 through 21 it talks about not have elicit or unnatural sex. And another area that we get into and bring a curse on our life is the injustice to the weak and helpless. The Bible tells us in Exodus to keep yourself far from a false matter, do not kill the innocent and the righteous for I will not justify the wicked. And one of the things that we are doing in America today and many other countries is we are aborting babies. That baby is not just a fetus that is a life and that is a life that God the Father that has permitted you to bring into the world and to bring it up in the nurture and the admonition of the Lord.

Sid: So when you have seen woman and men that were involved in an abortion repent have you seen actual physical healings occur?

Mary Jo: Yes I have a lot of them get free of scoliosis; a lot of them get free of female problems. I had one young girl that I remember from down in south Florida that had had 2 abortions and it was her boyfriend who had helped her have the abortion.  She was full of guilt and fear and she’s having a lot of female problems she’s having just bleeding.  She’s had fibroid tumors prayed for that conference then broke the curse off of her. Saw her the next year and she said that she was totally healed she had no physical problems and that she had met a nice Christian boy. She rededicated her life at that time at the conference she met a Christian boy and they were engaged and going to get married.  The next year she came back to the conference and she was pregnant she was about 3 months pregnant she was so excited about what God had done in her life and say “Look at me, look at me I’m free I’m free, I’m free.”  And so yes there’s freedom when you break that curse.

Sid: Now when woman are involved in abortion are many of them sometimes even their ancestors are they barren and when that curse is broken they can have children?

Mary Jo: Yes.

Sid: Tell me one specific person.

Mary Jo: This lady was probably in her late 30’s and never had any children. We broke that curse and she asked the Lord to forgive her for having committed abortion and she repented of the sin she recognized that that was where the problem came in barrenness.  She repented of the sin and at that moment and at that…she actually walked out of the room when I had prayed for her and had to go to the ladies room and it was actually as if a DNC had actually been performed on her at that time.  Within that 3 week period after that she was pregnant and 9 months later we were in that area again and was there when the baby was born.

Sid: What kind of curses are involved in people that are always behind the 8 ball when it comes to finances they’re always broke.  I mean it seems as though …it’s almost like there’s a dark cloud is over them when it comes to finances.

Mary Jo: Well see a curse is when there is sufficient amount of money made and yet no matter how much money they make they never seem to make ends meet that’s the curse. Now there’s people that spend their money unwisely and throw their money away that’s not a curse that’s ignorance. But a curse is when God says “You will bring all of the tithe into the storehouse and prove Me with this Sid and see if I will not pour you out a blessing that you cannot contain. If you’re a tithe payer and you’re still not financially prosperous then I would say that you need to go back and ask yourself “Am I trusting in God or am I trusting in myself” because trusting in the arm of the flesh will bring a curse on you.  And a lot of people are under a financial curse because their daddy was poor his…you know every ancestor they ever had was poor or it was just poor managers of their money and they never learned to believe that God wants to bless them and yet God wants to pour out a blessing a lot more than we want it.  He is a God of blessing and not a God of cursing.  And He said “If you will bring all of the tithe in the storehouse and He will even open all of the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing that you cannot contain.

Sid: Mary Jo I’m sorry were out of time.

Sid:  I have on the telephone a friend of mine that when you hear him sing because he is an anointed psalmist a Messianic Jew. When you hear him sing the Shekinah glory of God will come upon you. His name Paul Wilbur I’m speaking to him at his home in Jacksonville, Florida. Paul and I go back a long ways, in fact many many moons ago Paul was working for the Messianic Vision opening letters and your favorite thing, just to remind you Paul, was trying to see how many different ways people would spell my name. Do you remember that?

Paul:  I remember some of them even to the letter even today (laughing) amazing.

Sid:  (Laughing) Well what is amazing to me is it says not to despise small beginnings because wherever I flip on Christian television, or I listen to Christian radio you’re there.

Paul:  Hmm.

Sid:  This is your moment but it isn’t your moment it is God is doing something new. It’s like it’s in the atmosphere around the world and as a psalmist… the psalmists, the Levites go in front of the army of God and normally have a prophetic sense of what God wants. What does God want right now Paul Wilbur?

Paul:  Well I believe Sid and I hope it doesn’t sound too presumptive to say we speak for God although the Bible tells us that we as the sons of God can hear His voice. But I’m reminded of Isaiah chapter 2 I’m sure when Israel was asking the prophets what does God want. He says in Isaiah chapter 2 He says “Let’s go up to the mountain of the Lord to the house of the God of Jacob.” Now listen to this, “He will teach us His ways.” Now most people that I’ve heard that share that scripture Sid stop there but that’s not where God wants us to stop.  He says then the prophet goes on to say “So that we may walk in them.” I believe Sid that the Lord is looking His eye has always been searching to and fro. But I believe He’s looking for a called out people, a particular people those who are called by His name, those who have been to the mountain and not only are hearers of the word but are doers as well. I believe that’s what God is seeking for these days.

Sid:  Speaking of going to the mountain tell me about the song “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain.” This is on your new CD called the “Lion of Judah.”

Paul:  Well that was a CD that we produced this past feast of the Lord in Jerusalem itself called Pentecost or in Hebrew Shavuot the Feast of Weeks. We went there again with just a wonderfully anointed team of musicians. The presence of God Sid… I know I say this every time we interview over a new recording but this time the band had to go on without me. As I stood on that platform downtown Jerusalem at the largest hall in all of Israel the Jerusalem Convention Center; I stopped singing, I stopped playing the weight of the glory of God so pressed on me. I stood there in a puddle of tears the band was looking at me like “What should we do (laughing)?” Because we were climbing the mountain of the Lord and just as God spoke to Moses “Take off your sandals for the place where you’re standing is holy ground.” We were standing in holy ground. The song is again from Isaiah chapter 2 “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain.” It is such a prophetic word for today as the people hear the words of this I encourage them to let those words soak in deep because it is from the lips of God Himself.

Excerpt: “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain”

Sid:  That was Paul Wilbur singing “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain.” It was actually done in Jerusalem before a live audience. Paul you said the kavod, that’s the Hebrew word for the glory of God came upon you. Describe that Glory.

Paul:  Well it’s something unless you’ve actually experienced it is difficult to describe except I would say this way Sid that it’s a disarming of the flesh. There’s weakening of the self and an acute awareness of the presence of God that makes, that makes your flesh man weak but makes your spirit man so strong. I was standing on the platform surrounded by wonderfully anointed musicians and as we were worshipping the Lord we weren’t recording a recording in particular. We weren’t performing a record but we came with the people of Israel to worship on that mountain that He has called His own. As I stood there several times I had to stop singing, I had to stop playing I was reduced almost to a puddle of tears because of the weight of the presence of God. I’d have my hands raised and they’d fall to my side. My knees would begin to get weak and begin to shake. I couldn’t sing, I couldn’t speak I’d stand back from the microphone waiting for the presence of God to lift so that my fleshly part of me, my soul, could continue but you know just enjoying that weight of His presence. Who wants to continue anyway? You just want that presence that Shekhi-nah that presence that glory of God to press in on you and the rest of the world.

Sid:  You were telling me before we went on the air about a close friend of mine who went on to be with the Lord, Ruth Ward Heflin. There was something that she taught that has always stuck with you tell me it.

Paul:  Well it was actually during the Feast of Tabernacles when we recorded “Jerusalem Arise” 2 years ago when I met Ruth Ward Heflin for the very first time. She said something to me that day and she has actually written it in her book about the glory. Her statement will always stick with me was moving into the glory of God, and she put it this way she said “You praise Him until the worship comes and you worship Him until the glory comes then you just stand in the glory.” That’s what we were doing during the recording of that “Lion of Judah.” The glory of came we stood in His glory… you know Sid we used to be so proud in our meetings with the anointing and thank God for the anointing but the glory goes beyond the anointing. We used to be so proud of how many people would come under the weight of the anointing or fall out in the spirit under the anointing but I believe the Lord is looking for those who will stand in His glory.

Sid:  How about you do you want to stand in His glory? There’s some of you that have gotten cold you were hot at one time but you’ve gotten cold. I’m going to give you a prescription order this CD called “Lion of Judah,” start playing it every morning or every evening and begin to press into God. See the anointing on this will destroy the yoke that’s stopping you from pushing further with God.