SID: SID ROTH
JOHN: JOHN BEVERE
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SID: I am going to take this wonderful opportunity to ask a couple of questions to John Bevere that I’ve really wanted to hear from him the answers. John, you said something when I interviewed you on television. You said there was a season in your life where you were praying in the Holy Spirit two hours every day. But then you made a switch and tell me what the switch was and the results that happened.
JOHN: The switch was, I kept, if I’m, if I’m remembering, I’m going back to our radio interview. I was praying everyday ‘God use me.’ Use me to win multitudes to Jesus, use me to cast out demons, use me to heal the sick people, use me to restore people’s lives, restore marriages. And I was praying this way for years. And one day the Holy Spirit spoke to me and He said, ‘Your prayers are off.’ And I said, ‘What!’ He said, ‘Your prayer are off target.’ And I said I’m asking you to use me win multitudes to Jesus, to heal people, to heal marriages, to heal bodies. How can they be off? And He said this to me, He said, ‘Judas cast our devils, Judas healed the sick, Judas preached repentance, Judas led people to me,’ because when He sent the 12 out He sent the 12 out. He said, ‘Judas left everything he had to follow me.’ He said, ‘Judas is in hell.’
SID: Uh!!
JOHN: When He said that to me, I literally started trembling inside. I said, ‘Then what should I be praying?’ And then He said to me, ‘What Paul prayed: that I might know Him.’ And so those who know their God will be strong and do exploits. So He said, ‘You can use me.’ He said, ‘I don’t use people. I transform them into the image of My son.’
AUDIENCE: Mmmm, huh!
JOHN: I mean can you just see me coming into my, or my wife coming in to me and saying, ‘John, use me to make babies for you! (pleading) I want to make babies, Ohhh, I want to make babies. Give me babies or I’m going to die!
SID: Ha!
AUDIENCE: (LAUGHTER)
JOHN: Okay, so what would I look at my wife and say? Oh my gosh, who did I marry! Okay? (Sid and audience laugh) But we’re intimate and out of our intimacy came four really great boys. And He said, ‘I want you intimate with me.’ So my whole prayer started changing. ‘God, I want to know You intimately. I want to know You intimately. I want to know You like You know me.’ Well you know what’s interesting? This was back in 1984-85. And in this time period when I started changing my prayer, I started getting free. I was bound to pornography and here I was in the ministry. And I asked Lester Sumrall to pray for me. I opened up to him, I said, ‘I’m bound, will you pray for me?’ He prayed a very strong prayer and nothing happened. Nine months later I’m on a four day fast, and May the 6st, 1985 I get completely delivered from pornography. Okay? So I’m walking in my freedom a couple a years and I said to God, I said, ‘I don’t get it.’ I mean I humbled myself. I asked one of the strongest men of God I know on the planet to get me delivered, and I don’t get delivered. And then nine months later I’m on this fast and I get delivered. And the Lord showed me that what I was praying, I was praying that ‘God use me, God use me’ and I was afraid that pornography was going to keep me to the preaching ministry I know I was called to. He said, ‘But then you changed your prayers and you said I want to know you, I want to know you intimately. And He said, ‘You had sorrow, but your sorrow was worldly when you opened up with Dr. Sumrall.’ He said, ‘Nine months later your sorrow was godly because your heart was breaking because you knew your sin was breaking My heart.’ So if you look at the difference you can see it in two kings. Saul says, ‘I’ve sinned, I’ve sinned.’ But he’s embarrassed, so he says ‘Now honor me by worshipping with me in front of my elders.’ You’ve embarrassed me in front of my elders. David, when he gets nailed, falls on his face and said ‘I have sinned and against You only I have sinned.’ He couldn’t care less what his elders thought. So that’s the difference between worldly sorrow and godly sorrow. Godly sorrow the focus is on Him, worldly sorrow the focus is on what’s going to happen to me. And when we pray that we can know Him intimately, that we can please Him the best a man or woman can please Him, now it’s all about this relationship over everything else and that’s what pleases the heart of God. See Psalm 89, verse 7 says: “God is to be greatly feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be held in reverence by all those who surround him.” So you’ll never find the presence God in an atmosphere where He’s not held in the utmost of respect. I remember when I learned this experientially. Back in 1996, I was asked to speak in Brazil, the nation of Brazil. There were thousands of people at this conference, it was a national conference. I’m the Friday night speaker. They drive me to the auditorium. There’s cars parked everywhere. And as I come into the auditorium I can hear the worship coming from the inside of the building. Because in their big auditoriums down there, if they have a ceiling on it, there’s like a six foot gap between the upper wall and the ceiling, and it’s for air ventilation but you can hear what’s going on inside. So they walk me in, they put me on the platform. There’s not a seat open anywhere. Thousands of Brazilians, right? So there’s no presence of God. There’s no presence of God in the whole auditorium. Now when I say this Sid, as we know there are 2 types of the presence of God. There is the “omnipresence” of God. That is where David said ‘where can I go from your presence? If I go to the highest mountain you’re there, if I make my bed in the lowest valley you’re there.” That’s the presence of God that says ‘I’ll never leave you nor forsake you.’ That’s the omnipresence of God. The other presence of God the Bible speaks about is the “manifest presence” of God. “Manifest” is to bring from the unseen into the realm of the seen, the unheard into the realm of the heard, the unknown into the realm of the known. It’s when God reveals Himself to our senses. Okay? That is a very real experience in Christianity. Jesus said, ‘I will manifest Myself to you,’ right? So that presence was totally void in that, and I’m sitting there going ‘this is a believer’s conference.’ Place is packed, best worship leaders in the nation, why is there no presence!? So I asked the Lord, I said, ‘God, why is there no presence?’ And all of a sudden God open up my eyes and I’m lookin’ at the people. And they’re standin’ there with their hands in their pocket lookin’ around like this, they got their arms crossed lookin’ down like this, they’re whispering to one another, they’re fumblin’ through their purses, and they’re walking in and out of this auditorium getting concession stand stuff, okay,
SID: It’s like going to a football game!
JOHN: Yeah! So I’m sittin’ there goin’ ‘this’ll calm down.’ Well it doesn’t! They get through with the praise and worship and the leader comes up and starts reading out of the Bible. I’m still seein’ people sittin’ there lookin’ around, people lookin’ down like this, people are whispering to one another, and you can actually hear ‘em mutter from the people whispering to one another. Now I’m angry, okay? I mean I am really angry. So they introduce me. First time I’ve ever spoken in Brazil, 1996, publically. I walk up, I walked up to the podium with my interpreter right beside me. And I just put my elbow on the podium and I just sat there and stared at ‘em and didn’t say a word. Now, now, now picture this, okay? Friday night, national conference, the guest speaker’s introduced and he’s just glaring at you for 45 seconds!
SID: Not too cool!
JOHN: That gets people’s attention, right! So when I knew every eye in the whole auditorium was on me, this is the first words in public I’ve ever said in Brazil, I said I have two questions. Question number one: you’re sitting across the table talking to somebody and the whole time you’re talking to them they got their hands in their pocket lookin’ around like this, or they’re lookin’ down like this, or they’re whispering to somebody sitting beside them, next to them at the table. I said, ‘Will you continue to talk to them?’
SID: No.
JOHN: They said, ‘No,’ right. I said, ‘What if every time I go, you go over to somebody’s house and you knock on their door and they open up the door and they go, ‘Oh, it’s you, again. Come in.’ I said, ‘Will you continue to go to that house?’ They went, ‘No.’ So I said, ‘I’ve been in this auditorium for an hour and a half and I have, or an hour, and I have not felt one ounce of the presence of God.’ And I said the reason is He’ll never come into an atmosphere where He’s not held in the utmost of respect. I said if Pele you’re, well first of all I said if your President, the President of Brazil would have walked onto this platform tonight he would have gotten ten times the respect you gave the Holy Spirit. You, you would have listened to every word he said, you would have given him your attention. I said if Pele would have walked on, Pele’s the greatest soccer player ever in Brazil, would have walked on this, out on this platform, you would have been on the edge of your seats!
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth