SID: I am here with Dr. Michelle Corral. I can’t think of better people to be mentored under than the two you were mentored under. But your first encounter with the supernatural was when you were 17.

MICHELLE: When I was 17 I experienced the power of God being saved. I was listening to an altar call touched by the power of the Holy Spirit, but a battle was going on within me, not because I didn’t want to receive Christ, but because I think my situation, my battle is like a lot of people. You wonder if you go to the front to receive Jesus, can you live for God? And I didn’t want to be a hypocrite. I thought, oh, I would love to receive Christ. But all of a sudden this battle was going on within me, and I felt two hands lift me up. I wanted to go to the front, but I just didn’t know if I should. And two hands lifted me up and before you knew it, I was in the front weeping and weeping and it lasted three days. And this is what you really call being born again when you’re washed by the blood of Jesus and you experience that born again experience.

SID: But then just shortly thereafter, what happened to your entire family?

MICHELLE: Right after I got saved, my mother saw such a difference in me. I’m a product from the ’60s generation, and she noticed such a difference in me that she wanted to go to the place that I was going. She became born again and my entire family became born again. And they’re still serving God to this day.

SID: Something happened to me. A very similar thing happened to me. In fact, I had that great miracle of salvation about the same time.

MICHELLE: Yes.

SID: And then I got a phone call from a woman called Kathryn Kuhlman. You started going to her meetings.

MICHELLE: Oh yes.

SID: And what did you learn when you went to those meetings?

MICHELLE: The very first time though, I had been after baptism in the spirit involved in a Pentecostal church. I did not know what it meant to feel the anointing. And for the very first time in my life when I went to Ms. Kuhlman’s service, I saw the presence of God. I actually saw the glory of God in that meeting. I was up on the third balcony and she started calling out someone that was blind. And all of a sudden the room turned dark and I saw a rod of lightning starting on one end of the pew all the way to the other end of the pew. And it touched a little boy who had been blind from birth, and he was completely healed in that service. And it changed my life forever.

SID: If there was one thing that I could ask you about that you learned from Ms. Kuhlman, what would that be?

MICHELLE: So many things. One thing would be about dying to self, but making the Holy Spirit your best friend, depending on Him for everything, yielding to him. Never wanting to disappoint Him. Always asking His preference, differing the way to the Holy Spirit because he lives in us.

SID: Excuse me, excuse me.

MICHELLE: Yes, yes.

SID: You mean you literally ask His permission to do things? Explain.

MICHELLE: Oh totally.

SID: Give me a concrete example.

SID: Tell me a couple examples of… We know about the dragons you’ve faced, witchdoctors, et cetera in Africa and places like that, but what kind of dragons does the housewife, the student, the businessman, the trash collector, what kind of serpents are they facing?

DANIEL: Well, I read an interesting story in a British newspaper a while ago. The headline, if I paraphrase it, it said a man’s a rock python, eight foot rock python named Tiny, kills him in his sleep. And I was thinking about that. And I was thinking, that man’s snake probably started out as this cute little pet he brought home from the pet store. And he coddled it and he nurtured it and he raised it. And that was the beast that eventually took his life. And I thought, what an appropriate metaphor for what so many Christians and what so many believers and people experience in their lives. Because the reality is, the things that we struggle with, the things that take people down, things like addiction, things like divorce, problems with relationships, problems in jobs, all these different things, the darkness, the bondages that destroy people’s lives, they very often start as a small pet. And we are the ones that feed those things. We nurture them, we coddle them, and then they end up destroying our lives.

So one of the great keys is to learn how to identify those things when they’re young, when they’re small, and kill them in their inception, smash those eggs.

SID: Now you have had a number, a lot of people come and want to do you harm, witchdoctors, et cetera. Tell me, pick out one witchdoctor that came to kill you. I mean, to kill you.

DANIEL: Yeah. Well, this was also a story in Nigeria. And I had to get the backstory of this later from the local pastors. But, in Africa, this is the place where voodoo originated. And so it’s very well known, witchdoctors, witchcraft, animism, we call it Juju, which is just all this witchcraft.

SID: Now some people watching us right now, they think that’s just, that’s not true. But this is a real demonic….

DANIEL: Go on one trip to Africa, you won’t need any more convincing. It’s real. It’s very, very real. And so there are different levels of these witchdoctors doctors, even in the minds of the locals. And some of them, in their minds, are good. Some of them are bad. What we know, we understand that all of that stuff is evil, but in their minds, there’s good and bad. Well, this lady was bad even by voodoo standards. One of the pastors told me, he knew of 10 people that this woman had cursed to death, two of them were relatives of hers. And see, why this lady was feared is because her job was to put curses on people that would kill them.

Well, when we come into a city for one of our campaigns, Sid, there is one group of people that’s not very happy about it. And that’s the witchdoctors.

SID: Why?

DANIEL: Because when we come in, it’s an amazing thing, their witchcraft stops working. There was a man that came to a campaign, a witchdoctor, he was furious. He said his business is that you go to his house, he has these stones out on the lawn.

SID: You buy them.

DANIEL: No, you pay money. You stand on a stone and you hear what he would convince you is the voices of your deceased ancestors. And so he came to us. He was very mad. He said, “Ever since you came to the city and started preaching, my stones aren’t speaking anymore.”

SID: Now for those that don’t understand, if it’s not their dead ancestors speaking, who is speaking?

EMMA: As I want you to see the biblical order of things there, that God says, “I bring shaking. I bring shaking, not because of judgment. I bring shaking, not because I don’t like people. I bring shaking, not because I’m not kind but actually the opposite. I bring shaking because I’m so in love with the earth. That I want them to choose me.” We go to that scripture and so the vision falls out of that. I saw God on his hands, on his knees. It was quite a distressing scene because you like to see God as quite contained and regal and on the throne.

EMMA: But it was very much in that mode of the Isaiah laboring women that God is likened to in scripture where God has got His face in that travailing place. I got down on my hands and knees besides God in the throne room because whatever He is doing, I want to partner with Him. I said, “What are you praying, God? What are you praying? Why are you like this?” He’s saying, “Pray with me. Pray with me people, because I want the nations to choose me. I’m so in love with the earth that I want the nations to choose me and I’m happy to shake you so that you might pick me.”

SID: You’re saying that the shaking, which was prophesied is what is going on now and it will follow by glory.

EMMA: Yes. I mean that is the point. I think you can’t have revival until there’s a challenge. You can’t have brilliant preaching until there’s a shaking and it’s not about, do we hide away? It’s about, a season of becoming harvest-ready. That is the word of the Lord over this. Church, get harvest ready. You see what happens in the plagues of Egypt is we… under the watchful eye of Pharaoh and Moses, is that the shaking is so great that it shakes the false gods of the Egyptians off their thrones. They realize that the false gods cannot do anything. Again, we’re anchoring ourselves in scripture here. We find that the Egyptians realize that the God of Israel, Yahweh, is the true God. We know that because they give all their wealth to the Israelites as they leave.

EMMA: As we layer these scriptural contexts, we understand that God is shaking false gods off thrones right now. He’s saying that I wish you would find me in blessing. I wish you would find me in times of ease but because you don’t, I will shake your gods so that they fall to their faces, so that you realize that I am the one true God. This is the precursor to the billion soul harvest. What I saw at the beginning of the year, the Lord showed the earth moving and it would feel like tectonic plates under our feet were starting to shift and the Lord says, “You are walking into the most uncomfortable season that the earth has ever seen.”

EMMA: I heard God call it, the uncomfortable revival. He didn’t call it the revival of ease. He called it the uncomfortable revival that we are walking into. The prayer is not, “God, save me. God saved me. God, take me away from it.” The prayer is this, “God would you shake me like you shake other people so that any false God in me can fall to its knees and be cast out of me.

SID: You call it God’s purification process. What the devil means for evil will allow us to be vessels, to be containers of the glory of God. Do either of you, have a strong, strong word from God, for the nation of Israel because as you know, we are available on every home in Israel.