Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, her name is Mary Jo, or her family calls her Ma Jo Pennington. I’ve been talking to her all this week about her granddaughter because on September 2nd 2003 her granddaughter had a freak accident, fell 9 feet on to cement by the swimming pool, off of this sliding board. She should have died but she was supernaturally caught up by as she said “Six Big, Big,” I love to say it “Big Angels” And she had a Heavenly encounter; she saw God, she saw Jesus she saw aborted babies; she saw things that people just read about. She saw, and through the eyes of a 4 ½ year old Victoria. They taped recorded what she had seen and her grandparents put it in this book but there’s a section here Ma Jo in your book the second time that your granddaughter had a problem in the swimming pool. Tell me about that.
Mary Jo: Yes, well we were diving to the bottom of the pool because we saw some leaves down there and we’d bring them up and put them on the float that we had that you could see through it had mesh in the middle. And then we went over and put the leaves all in the bucket and we came back over and she wanted to dive some more and I was tired. And so she said she wanted to go down one more time by herself, well she swam down deeper and deeper it’s a pretty deep pool. As she swam down and suddenly she disappeared, I was looking through the mesh watching her go down and I shoved that thing out of the way so that I could clearly see to the bottom of the pool and she was not there. And I looked all around the pool, my eyes were just going everywhere I was just scared I mean it really scared me. She was just absolutely gone and it was 4:00.
Sid: Now wait a second now it was daylight, I mean you can see through a pool, how come you didn’t see her?
Mary Jo: She was gone.
Sid: Huh.
Mary Jo: And then it was longer than her fall from the top of the slid to the pavement, it was much longer than that. And suddenly she came flying out the other side of the pool; didn’t even touch the side of the deck, it was just like somebody threw her from under the water out of the pool and she landed on the deck. I said “Victoria, where did you go?” And she just looked at me; I said “Did you go to Heaven?” And she said, “Yes.” I said “Who did you see?” And she just dove into the pool, because I thought she went to see the babies again, she dove into the pool and swam down to the other end and called back over her shoulder, “I saw all of them.” And that’s all she would tell me right then. But later with her mother she mentioned this and she told her “I went to the bad place.” She said I saw the monsters and things that go “Ah, ah, ah, ah!” I mean she just really, she said “Well, did you see Hell?” And she didn’t want to talk about that and later she said “That that’s really way down deep,” that she didn’t want ever to go there but she went to the bad place. I don’t know what she differentiates the bad place from Hell, but she said she had two fiery angels with her that walk in the fire of the Holy Spirit. And so I asked her, I had transcribed the tape and I knew about those two angels so I asked her “Victoria did you have these two angels with you when you went down to the bad place?” She said “No, I had hundreds of angels with me to protect me.” Now you know if you read the book she means millions when she says hundreds because that’s how she describes the angels in Heaven and the babies in the baby place. And there was many more than hundreds there; but she told me about the monsters and that they look horrible and they got goo and slime on them and these are demons and she calls them enemies. And they trust in satan. She said “If only he went down there by his self then he wouldn’t have any many. What she meant was “If satan had been thrown down by himself he wouldn’t have many demons,” but she said any many. That’s the only way she could say it as a 4 year old.
Sid: And of course as he Bible states he came down with fallen angels so he had a lot of demons.
Mary Jo: He did have a lot of them and she was just saying “If only he only was thrown down by himself he wouldn’t have any many because they are so many and she was so frightened of them. And the reason as she saw and she heard him speaking and she heard these other big demons that were princes over things that they thought they were kings. And then she said, she said “They’re really big and they’re really mean and they get the people.” She said “Those are the really bad ones that get people.” The biggest one that was king, she said “He’s actually not a king, Jesus is the one that is the King.” And she went on to tell what satan said to his demons down there trying to whip them up into shape so that they would come and get more people. And he actually admitted in this passage of transcription of that I had of her satan admitted that they’re getting saved by the hundreds, that they’re turning, but they’re spreading the gospel way down to 100 people which again means untold millions of people are turning to God in this time of the end. It’s going to be a tremendous revival. As she went on to describe she saw the people, she said “They were in water, they were in fire water and they live for 100 years and never die.” And she said “That they was bald, all of them was bald and that they were dragging more people down there and they’re so skinny.”
Sid: Do you think she was describing the lake of fire?
Mary Jo: It had to be that and she said “The people were so skinny” and her voice broke and she said “I don’t even know how to handle that.” That the people were so skinny and so bald and they were living and she said “They lived actually lived in the water, it was fire water; the lived in it for 100 years and you never die.”
Sid: Can you imagine assuming the Lord tarries and your granddaughter grows up to be older and starts preaching this; I mean what kind of an evangelist will she be. Do you believe that God’s called her to be an evangelist?
Mary Jo: Well, she said not 2 weeks ago we were talking about why she was brought back. Because she wanted to stay in Heaven, she said “She was brought back to preach but not while I’m a little kid, when I’m a little older.”
Sid: Huh.
Mary Jo: But I don’t have the power now, but she knows she ordained to preach.
Sid: Was she traumatized by this visitation to this bad place which is a type of Hell?
Mary Jo: Well, she was fearful for a time but this was also about…this was the time that she was going through the fear of God. Because Jesus took her there not to scare her, but to prove to her that He was much bigger than them, she said Jesus is much more bigger than them because He could even protect me because I’m just a little wee girl. And see she had been afraid of the demons up to then, but He wanted to show her His power and might because she didn’t have any reason to be scared of the demons. She didn’t have any reason to be afraid to talk about Heaven because He wants her to talk about it, but she had reason to be fearful of Him because He’s the most powerful. And so that’s when she started being…when I would pray at night “Lord send your angels to protect Victoria.” She would slide down under the cover and hide and then she started, when I started to say angels she’d slap her hand over my mouth. She was afraid of a visitation of angels. I said “Victoria, what are you afraid of?” We prayed against the demons, we cleansed the house, we taught about the demons to get them away from you.” She said “Ma Jo I’m scared of the angels, I’m scared of Jesus and I’m scared of God.” So he was putting her through this fear of God school that many ministers have spoken about where she only feared Him and did not fear the demons.
Sid: But the thing that set her free you told me was when she had her encounter with God and God put her on His knee.
Mary Jo: Well, yes when she was afraid when she went into the throne room and she saw all of the…she wasn’t afraid of God because she had already seen Him dance at the baby place but
Sid: Dance?
Mary Jo: Dance.
Sid: How did He dance?
Mary Jo: He pulled His robe up between His legs and tucked it in His belt and He danced and He hugged my relatives. But He danced at the baby place and so did Jesus and so when she got to the throne room was what scared her was the things with all the wings and the faces and the eyes and the wheels and she was just so scared of that.
Sid: The thing described by Ezekiel.
Mary Jo: Yes, yes. But when she got within where she could see God more clearly He motioned through His mind and hers. He never had to use His voice they spoke by their mind and He said “Come over on My lap.” And she went and climbed up His leg and onto His lap and crawled across His lap and she was not scared anymore.
Sid: You talked about dancing, did she see much dancing in Heaven?
Mary Jo: She said everybody in Heaven is either singing, laughing, or dancing.
Sid: So how did these churches say that you don’t do dancing, these denominations?
Mary Jo: I don’t know.
Sid: In fact I think I recall rereading in the book they were dancing in circles.
Mary Jo: They were doing wonderful dances much like the Jewish dances and she in fact showed us on the side of the pool they hold their arms out the side of each other and they go sideways and they run and jump a little and they were going in circles. And as she was describing more or less Jewish dances; let me just say one thing here. We were at a Messianic Jewish Church not long ago and it was a holiday and they were singing in Hebrew. And she was singing every word in Hebrew that they were and I was just staring at her, the people on both sides of her were just staring at her this little girl who couldn’t even see the screen that they had the words on. And when we sat down I said “How did you know the words?” She said “Well, that’s a song we sung when we were dancing on the crystal sea on the sea of glass.
Sid: My goodness what kind of feedback are you getting from people that read this encounter this 4 ½ year old your grand-daughter Victoria had going to Heaven?
Mary Jo: Everybody is just…they can’t get enough of it. Some people are ordering huge amounts of it just to give it away because they’re so excited about it. It’s just; it’s just going to make such an impact because it has so many different things for the body of Christ and for the world and for people who have been hurt. We’re getting so much, we had no idea that it was going to impact people this way.
Sid: And yet you felt God told you to write the book, He gave you the title.
Mary Jo: He did.
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Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth