Sid: I have a scientist on the telephone, Bruce Malone. Bruce says that there is overwhelming evidence that evolution is not based on science. Now Bruce there are a lot of controversies going on, but one controversy that even many Christians are fuzzy over has to do with the age of the earth. I mean the Bible says the earth is some 6,000 years old, but we have all these scientific dating things; carbon dating excreta that says the earth is millions of years old. What do you say?
Bruce: The vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation it is just that most Christians don’t get to hear those and they’re systematically censored from our school systems.
Sid: Well, so what you’re saying is that some say its millions of years old and some don’t; is that what you’re saying?
Bruce: What you have to understand is that all dating methods involve assumptions; almost every dating method you have to see the amount of something divided by the rate of changes divided by the amount of the rate you come up with an age. But there’s assumptions involved in all of them; you can’t ever date something beyond historical times and know for sure that you have the right date.
Sid: What do you say that the Bible is accurate; that the earth is a little over 6,000 years old?
Bruce: Well, first of all first and foremost I look at a God who made this incredibly intricate gorgeous universe and I think to myself “Don’t you think a God capable of making the entire universe ought to be able to communicate when and how he did it clearly in a straightforward way.” And that’s exactly what He did in the Bible; and second the majority of dating methods agree with that. They indicate this earth is very recently made and I’ll be glad to share a few of those.
Sid: Tell me some scientific evidence that supports the creation view.
Bruce: Well, let me jump into one of the most visual ones. About 8 years ago Dr. Mary Schweitzer down at North Caroline University dug up a Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton in Montana. And when the bones were pulled out they pulled apart and she said she smelled like a rotting smell. She got permission to dissolving away part of this very value bone and found completely unfossilized organic dinosaur tissue inside the bone. Now that would be like King Arthur leaving a chicken leg on a rock somewhere 500 years ago and someone coming along last month and picking up that chicken leg and eating and it still being edible. It is absolutely impossible if those dinosaurs were buried 60 or 70 million years ago for there to still to be undecayed tissue inside of it. And yet there is; that is an enormous indication that the entire rock layers of the earth were laid down recently and rapidly and they aren’t millions of years old, and that’s just one example.
Sid: But wait a second when we look at some of the wonders in the United States like Grand Canyon, that took millions of years to develop.
Bruce: Sit it’s an assumption that those rock layers we see in the Grand Canyon took millions of years; you see there’s two possibilities. One is that over huge periods of time slow little bits of sentiment happened and build up to form limestone and sandstone layers and after many of years that river carved out that canyon. But there’s another possibility that’s ignored and that’s the Biblical possibility and it’s presented as fact in the Bible. That there’s a world restructuring flood; it ripped up the vegetation and the plants and the sediments and redistributed them across this globe about 4500 years ago. And that’s what formed those layers; laid them down rapidly. We don’t even see fossils forming today; a hundred million buffalo died in the 1800’s in the Great Plains and yet not a single one turned into a fossil. To form fossils you got to bury things rapidly and deeply to keep them from decaying and being eaten by other predators. So the rock layers of this earth did not form slowly they formed very rapidly. During this flood there was enormous amounts of water that pulled in different areas around the planet after the flood it lasted for an entire year. And that water covered much of the Western United States after those layers formed it broke through and it rapidly carved out the Grand Canyon revealing all of these sediment layers that had formed during this flood. So you see that there’s not millions of years represented there; there’s merely the evidence of the rapid depositing of those various layers of rock.
Sid: Well, have you got scientific evidence that this could happen quickly?
Bruce: Well, actually we do; one of the best examples was in 1980 when Mount St. Helen’s erupted out in Washington State. The entire top third of the mountain during an earthquake eruption event slid down into the valley as an enormous fluid flood flow. Now they estimated that happened at 160 miles an hour. So you here you have the top of the mountain being shook turned into like a moving fluid. And all of the mud turned into like a snow and sediment flowing down into the valley. You would think it would be like sticking a blender into a bunch of mashed potatoes and blending it up. But that’s not what they found; when several months later that sediment flowed as a fluid flowed back into rock. Just like you’d pour concrete as a fluid and the next day it’s a hard stone; water had back up; it broke through that area. It caused massive erosion in amount of hours; formed an entire new river valley not in millions of years but in a matter of hours and it revealed what that sediment had flowed down into the valley looked like. And you could see perfectly straight lines of sediment as far up and down the river valley as far as the eye could see turning that sediment into different types and densities. Just like we look at the Grand Canyon or we see road cuts we see horizontal lines of sediment up and down the horizon and yet this happened in a matter of minutes not over millions of years.
Sid: Well, how did we get, in this nation, to the point that we can’t at least point to the creationism as a viable cause of creation as opposed to evolution as a viable cause of creation. Why can’t we just do both?
Bruce: Ultimately it just comes down to human nature’s desire to get out of the accountability of God. You see there’s only two possibilities from where we came from; either God made us or something turned into something else; turned into something else that eventually turned into something that turned into an ape that turned into a person. There are no other possibilities; if you don’t want to believe that one moment people weren’t here and the next moment they were then you are forced to believe the only other option. Which is that some sort of an animal turned into us; for that even to have a possibility of being true you need to have enormous periods of time. So only that evidence is shown to students and only that evidence is shown in schools because it leaves God out and then we get to make the rules and that’s why evolution is so popular.
Sid: But you’re literature, your books prove that most of this is just a plain hoax; it is not science.
Bruce: It’s actually worse than that Sid it violates what we do know about the laws of science. It says that matter and energy made itself at some point way back in the past, and yet every experiment that we’ve ever done shows that matter and energy can never be created nor destroyed. It says that information can spontaneously make itself; the DNA language and the DNA code is a language wrote itself and that violates everything we know about language theory. The mechanisms of evolution simply do not work they violate observation. Natural selection of mutations will not cause one creature to turn into another and yet it’s taught in schools as if it does work. It is a sad, sad situation all in an effort to deny God’s existence.
Sid: Now in your research you talk about dinosaur bones next to parrots, penguins, and insects and the parrots, penguins and insects look exactly like the ones we have today. How can a scientist account for that?
Bruce: Well, because people whether they’re fallen and deny God’s existence or not are still creative. I mean I can take a tricycle and a bicycle and a motorcycle and a car and I could line them up. Well, what’s what they’ll do with fossils; they’ll say “What looks most like a bird?” Well maybe it was a dinosaur that stood upright on two legs; so they’ll line up a dinosaur and say it’s scales somehow got frayed and eventually turned into a feather. Whether they find that in between transition or not they’ll line things up in order to explain where they came from.
Sid: Well I’m sure you’re aware of this Bruce, and I’m sure most of our listeners are aware of this, but from elementary school on the students are taught against the literal meaning of the Bible about creation.
Bruce: We have got to prepare our kids and these are great fun easy to read books that are going to reinforce the trustworthiness of God’s word.
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Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth