SID: Outrageous. My guest in the car ride here to the studio brought up something, I mean this is the world’s foremost expert in cults, in deliverance, in the occult, his name is Bob Larson, you have probably seen him on television, and I can understand him going after something like Harry Potter, I mean that’s a no brainer, but the Chronicles of Narnia? I mean good versus evil, I mean actually the gospel in an allegorical form with this lion, and getting, I mean Hollywood has been so corrupt for so many years and now we are finally getting something talking about good things and feel good movies and, so Bob Larson, why do you say that it’s not a godly movie?
BOB: You’ve got a good argument, you’re almost convincing me. SID: Good, well we’ll go to another subject.
BOB: Everything you say is true. And allegorically although Lewis warned don’t read too much into it. You know, C.S. Lewis said, “At times it was the gospel, and at times it wasn’t the gospel.” Nobody knows what he really meant and really intended but the problem that I have is that it crosses over a line in that you have a number of characters and beings in there, intaurs, centaurs, incubi spirits, and many of these beings are actually on the side of good and the worst of which is Mr. Tunis this fawn sater, who is half goat, half human, he is the good guy on the good side, this is the classical, historic, in Satanism representation of Lucifer.
SID: So you mean someone that is in Satanism would go to that movie and get even more excited than a Christian?
BOB: Well they would at least identify with that character and get a little bit of a chuckle that the theater is filled with Christians who are there thinking it is an allegorical presentation of the gospel when you’ve got the personification of Lucifer on the screen hopping around in cloven hooves, I mean there is some confusion here and you can’t just send kids who are Christians to that movie without an antiquate explanation.
SID: Okay, here’s what I hear you say Bob, what I hear you saying that it is pushing Christianity a little further away from Biblical Godly positions so that perhaps the next one might push them over the edge.
BOB: It is a very dangerous thing to eclectically mix the gospel and any sort of Christian truths with things that are outright demonic. Now I can’t read C.S. Lewis’s mind, I don’t know what he was thinking at the time. He was an Oxford scholar; he studied the classic literature modes, and maybe to him it was something that was archetypal.
It was philosophical, but in a world in which sorcery and witchcraft and the occult are so prevalent, and seducing so many of our young people today, I think it’s a dangerous step over the mark, and any Christian parent who is going to say their kid should go see this movie they had better be aware of what they are seeing.
SID: Okay, Bob Larson was recently in New Zealand and was conducting a meeting and there was a man by the name of Shane who literally was abused by his father at knifepoint as a child, horrible situation, I want you to see what happens when Bob actually picks him out in the audience and begins to move with the power of God. Let’s go to that clip.
What’s your first name sir? Shane, Huh? Shane, are you with him? What’s your relationship? Engaged, Engaged? I saw in the spirit a separation from the angry parts, you’re angry Shane. Tonight I came here expecting something to happen to be more freer. What happened? Who do you hate and why? My father. What did your father do? He raped me and handed me off to a friend. He raped you and what? Handed you off to a friend? What did you say? He put a knife to your throat. He put a knife to your throat and raped you, your own father. No wonder you want to kill him, I’d want to kill him too; he deserves to die. I just felt so much rage, just so much hate, so much anger, resentment, retaliation, Look at me. You’re a good man Shane. Your father did a bad thing. He did it because somebody did it to him and the curse that goes way back. Something that evil could only be the result of a long embedded curse. You are here tonight because God is going to set you free if you let Him right now. I’m going to take you through a couple of processes. Look at me. I take the sword of the spirit and I divide soul and spirit and I divide shame of man from the shame of the boy. I want the little boy who was raped, I want you look at me. Don’t be ashamed to look at me, your daddy is a mean daddy, he is a very bad daddy and he is doing something very bad and you don’t like it do you? It hurts and you hate what he’s doing, and he hates what he is doing to you, don’t you? Don’t you? He’s bad, isn’t he? A lot of that is just to do with the anger that was built up in, and I guess I was, was just like a ticking time bomb man ready to explode. It’s okay; it’s okay. I’m sorry for what daddy did. We need to get rid of this thing, now here’s what you have, you gotta do now; you gotta fight. I know the hurt is there, I know the tendency is to slip back into this depressed, defeated, anguished state, but now you are a soldier to fight, you left an ax in the car, so I’m going to give you a sword instead. And that’s what we are going to fight with. We are going to fight with that sword. Who are you, your name; your name spirit? Your name spirit, who are you? Answer me, Jezebel. How many generations do you go back Jezebel? Plenty. How many generations, how many? Don’t touch him stand back please. Twelve. How many? Twelve. And what happened twelve generations ago? Answer me Jezebel, what happened twelve generations ago? Rape and murder. Rape and murder. I loose the dogs of Jezeel on you Jezebel and I bind you to murder and perversion of all of your kind. The curse is broken Jezebel. Get out of this one. Get out The curse is broken. Renounce every right to this child of God. Say this child of God, admit he’s a child of God. Say this child of God: Jezebel. Say this child of God child of God, say it. Say we lift the curse on him and future generations Say for what we did we receive seven times greater the judgment of Almighty God. Receive it, receive it Jezebel; receive it! Receive the judgment of God.
For every child that was molested, for every one that was murdered receive the judgment. Give it to him now. There is a reason I’m provoking this thing and making it do this, get out fully Jezebel, out fully. Now you are getting weaker. Now say where are you going to go? Say the pit. Come out of him, come out. The sign of the cross: in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We pray for you to be full of the Holy Spirit, enter in place of what was there with the presence of the Almighty God. Be filled with the Holy Spirit. We receive it. We receive it in Jesus name. Everybody said amen. Shane, now I want a real hug. Tonight has been great. God is really real, He set me free. I just feel unbelievably freer and am looking forward to what He’s got in store for me in the future.
SID: Bob, that was a pretty powerful man, and I actually saw him trying to swing at you, aren’t you a little afraid when you are involved in deliverance like that?
BOB: No, no I’m not. I’ve done more exorcisms than anybody on the planet and I’m still very much alive and well, I’ve had my ribs broken, I’ve been scratched, gouged, bloodied, but I am doing fine thank you.
SID: Question, what was he like, I saw the video, what was he like afterwards, what did he say?
BOB: It was really amazing, in fact one of the most interesting things we found out when this whole thing was over with; he said I need to take you to my car. So he took us to his car and pulled out an ax. He said I had this ax, I was on my way to murder somebody, I couldn’t take it anymore; I was going to kill. And he said I don’t need this anymore, take the ax. So I took the ax and I handed it to one of the pastors that was there. This was a Christian man; this was a man struggling to love God but so eaten up with rage inside for this horrible thing that his father did to him. And in coming back to what we said a little earlier, let me just point out something, when you deal with the devil like I do, when you are constantly having these power encounters with the forces of darkness, that’s why you take everything much more seriously than the average Christian would.
SID: All right, let me ask you this, Howard Stern, well maybe the Howard Stern of Australia, what do you think would happen if Bob Larson has a one on one encounter with the Howard Stern of Australia? Don’t go away, we’ll be right back after this word.
SID: Bob I don’t get it. I just saw this deliverance you did, now you go to a man that is one of the most filthy foulmouthed people, the Howard Stern of Australia if you will, you are sitting next to him just like me, you’re a real glutton, why did you do this?
BOB: Why not do it? I mean why not step right into – why not be Daniel going into the den?
SID: Let’s go to that clip right now.
Woman: We are here in the studio, Carl is currently getting perked because he is having an exorcism in just a moment; we have Bob Larson here who is the exorcist.
Bob: His parents who should have protected him, loved him and affirmed him did not, and then they handed him over to the devil. Then when he was fourteen, he sealed the deal.
Woman: Do you believe that Carl?
Carl: Yeah I do actually. Have you ever seen anything? You’ve known me for years, have you seen anything?
Woman: I’ve seen two sides to Carl, I see a really beautiful person and
Bob: Absolutely
Woman: The nicest person you could ever know and again I will see what I think is the devil.
Carl: What do you see?
Woman: I see evilness.
Carl: Bearing in mind we are on the radio, and all you can do is hear, when I look at Bob I can’t actually speak.
Woman: From what is that a sign of Bob?
Carl: All I can feel is shaking inside.
Woman: It’s stirring it up.
Bob: Yeah, it’s stirring it up, it doesn’t want to show up. Last thing in the world it wants to do is show up right here on the radio station right now.
SID: Bob, I mean, you got, we Jewish people have a word, it’s called “chutzpa” it means nerve!
BOB: I think I got it!
SID: So what happened after this deliverance on national, I assume it was on national radio?
BOB: Oh, national radio, the whole country heard it. You know this guy is known for this, you know chewing people and spitting them out. I walked in there he was like a puppy dog, he was scared, he was actually frightened.
SID: I saw.
BOB: It wasn’t me, it was the power of God proceeding me, and I just confronted him about his issues, his life, his demons and everything. And I started praying over him and he froze and couldn’t speak. Just literally could not speak. God just froze him on the spot, shut his mouth, and he literally could not say a word.
And afterwards I shared Christ with him off the air, as I was leaving the studio another guy walked up who was one of the people involved as a producer and he said I’ve been witnessing to this guy, I’ve been sharing Christ with him. So it was a God encounter, what it shows me when you are unembarrassed by the power of God and you walk in the middle of where the devil is, God honors it.
SID: Listen, we both know Australia is a very, very ungodly country. This is the most foulmouthed person in Australia. What repercussion did it have on the nation?
BOB: Well everywhere we went, all of our seminars were packed, it opened up all the media, I was in every major radio and television show in the country, secular, because they heard about this and they knew this. You can drive in any city in Australia and there are huge billboards of this guy, he is a household name.
SID: Okay, let’s come back to the United States here for a minute, known as a “quote” Christian country, what is happening here? There is a proliferation of cults, occult groups, pseudo-Christian groups, what’s going on?
BOB: We’re in a post-Biblical age, there is no moral consensus anymore about what the spiritual foundations of this country are all about, you see if from the Supreme Court to everyday decisions in our public schools, and as a result of that the devil has free reign to basically do what he wants to do with only the restraint of the salt of the earth of God’s people left.
SID: What’s happening with, let’s take as an example, Islam in the United States?
BOB: What’s interesting to me is that after 911, sales of the Koran went up. There is now more accommodation of Islam than ever before, and it’s ironic that you are I are paying tax-payers dollars to make sure that the people who want to kill us have a prayer map and an arrow pointing where to bow. This is nuts, this is nuts!
SID: Now listen, a lot of people understand about Islam, but do you understand the roots of Mormonism? Do you understand the roots of Masons? I tell you something, very few people understand this. I’m so glad that Bob Larson wrote this book, we’ll be talking about it. It’s called “Larson’s Book of World Religions and Alternative Spirituality.” We do have the goods now, be right back after this word.
SID: Now listen; Presidents of the United States, the most powerful people in the world are Masons. I know that they are strong Christians. I don’t get it Bob Larson. What is wrong with being a Mason? That’s just a fraternal order.
BOB: Well that’s what most people would like to think, but I would challenge any Mason who happens to be watching us right now to step forward and tell us the oaths and the vows that he has taken and spoken behind the closed doors of the lodge and they will not do it because they speak the most bloodthirsty of curses upon them and anyone else who ever reveals what they teach in the lodge, they speak death, suicide and murder in the lodge. Now it may be symbolic as they argue, but the fact is there is no such thing as symbolically calling death down on your own head, that’s a dangerous thing to do.
SID: You mean if they divulge something,
BOB: I mean if they divulge that, they vow themselves you know to have their tongue ripped out, guts disembowel, horrible things.
SID: Who’s the spiritual head of Masons?
BOB: Lucifer, ultimately Lucifer.
SID: And is that your opinion?
BOB: The worshipful master, look, most of the founding fathers of Freemasonry were Luciferiers. Albert Pike is the most revered Freemason in America, and founder of the American tradition, he was an avowed Luciferiers, I have his books, I have read them; he says Lucifer is God.
SID: Yes but then so how could a real Christian be involved in that if they know the head is Luciferian.
BOB: They don’t know; they don’t know that.
SID: Well if they don’t know it, how can it hurt them?
BOB: It doesn’t make any difference, because it’s what’s behind it, it is the spirit and the power and the force that’s behind it that you’re
SID: Have you ever prayed; have you ever with someone for deliverance because of being involved in Masons?
BOB: Ah, so many hundreds I can’t begin to recount to you, and I always know who to go for, I know to go for the spirit of Lucifer, and the spirit of Lucifer is in everyone who has entered beyond the apprenticeship, entered apprenticeship degree because they vow allegiance to Lucifer. Now in different parts of the country you will have more Christianized lodges, but most of them are very vague about who God is, you will have the Koran, you will have the Bible, you will have whatever sacred books they want to have.
SID: Okay, what is the connection between Masons and Mormons, I have never heard that the two are connected.
BOB: Oh absolutely, Joseph Smith Jr. of course who founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints took all of the secret ceremonies that are done in the temple, in Mormonism, straight out of Freemasonry, it’s the reason the Freemasons hate the Mormons and the Mormons hate the Freemasons because they are a copycat.
SID: Let’s switch gears, but before we do, I am so impressed with this book of World Religions and cults and occult groups. I assume you had a whole team of specialists do the work because you are so busy.
BOB: I do it myself, I do it myself.
SID: Why do you do it yourself?
BOB: Because I have such a fascination, an historical interest in this, it’s been my life, I’ve lived it, I mean it’s crosschecked and referenced by a team of people, but as far as the writing it’s myself, it’s a product of what I have observed in more than three decades of ministry, watching this stuff.
SID: Now I was involved over thirty years ago before I became a believer in the Messiah in something called Silva Mind Control,
BOB: It’s in the book.
SID: I know but, and you know what’s so wonderful about this? He not only has what it is, what its roots are, what it tries to prove, but how to help someone get out of it, how to under – listen first thing is understanding. How many different cults in and occult groups do you have?
BOB: Hundreds, literally hundreds categorized.
SID: So, there are a lot of books on this subject, why did you do this?
BOB: I did this because people needed a quick encyclopedic capsuled summary so that in just a matter of seconds, they can go to the alphabetical index, a friend, a loved one brings up a term they’ve never heard before, what’s that, is that good or bad, they flip, they find it and thirty seconds they got an answer.
SID: Listen, I went to a health food store and a conversation is going on with the owner and someone else, and the owner says, I finally found the ultimate; a course in miracles. This is a strong Christian, and this is the most wonderful thing, it answers all of my questions, uh, uh, what?
BOB: It’s in the book.
SID: I know.
BOB: A course in miracles was received by automatic handwriting through demonic dictation through something called the voice, and it’s got Jesus in there, but it denies all the cardinal tenants of the Christian faith, and in fact seeks to supplant the Christian faith, it was received from the spirit world by a demon, the whole thing.
SID: there seems to be so many new age courses, are you finding there is an increase in the number of Christians that need deliverance?
BOB: It’s just, it’s so explosive that I, and we’ve got a hundred deliverance teams all over America, we can’t keep up with it, the case load, we are backlogged for weeks in all of our teams because of the numbers of Christians who have gotten involved in stuff they didn’t know was bad, or they picked up garbage.
SID: I mean you have even discussed Star Wars has got evil roots, just thirty seconds what’s wrong with it?
BOB: Well the evil roots are it goes back to Zen Buddhism, George Lucas is a Buddhist.
SID: Yes, but that doesn’t make the movie a Buddhist.
BOB: But he has stated publicly that the whole frame of reference of the worldview and characters is based on Buddhism and he has said things like he deliberately concocted Yoda to be a mouthpiece for Zen.
SID: Well you know one of the reasons that I’m interested that I’m so interested in you Bob Larson and what you have to speak, and especially this book. I wish I had had this. A traditional Jewish man, I got involved in something called Silva Mind Control. It was taught by good people, trying to accomplish good things. I found out the most deceived people were those that were teaching, and one day a Christian had enough “chutzpa” enough nerve to say “Sid turn to your own Torah, your own Jewish scriptures, in Deuteronomy, the eighteenth chapter, God calls it an abomination to communicate with the dead, séances, being involved in the various occult and new age types of courses.” Now I didn’t even believe the Bible was real at that point; I believed it was just good stories, but just on the one percent chance that it was real. I said I will go in a neutral gear and I’ll just read the Bible. I mean after all I’m Jewish, and I got the shock of my life! This new age spirit guide that they had instructed that I invite into myself started cursing me when I read the Bible and I knew it was true. Well listen, I didn’t know what to do, but fortunately my Christian friend said there was a greater power than the power that was destroying me, I literally did not care whether I lived or died, and I prayed a two word prayer, but the important thing is I got the name right and my heart was right. I said,
“Jesus, help.” That’s all I said and I gave up and I can tell you that when I woke up the next morning I was just encased with the most love I had ever experienced in my entire life. I tell you that if you could taste this love there is nothing anyone, anything offers to compare, and the love is the love of God, but there is no other name in which we must experience God’s rule but the name of Jesus. Hebrew, Yeshua, the King of the Jews.
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