Our Guest Lil de Fin

SID: You know Lil, I can’t imagine what it was like growing up in your home where your mother lived very close to your great-grandfather.

LIL: Sid, she told me one of her favorite nights was Wednesday night, and on Wednesday night the family would go to Grandpa Wigglesworth’s house, and she said the presence of God was so strong in that house.

SID: There’s something about your great-grandfather I’ve always wondered. He was a pretty rough person. He would punch people that were dying, in the stomach. He would kick them. Do you know why he did that?

LIL: Well my mum and dad explained to me that he operated in the discerning of spirits, very strongly, and so when he was praying for the sick, he would see the demonic spirit behind the sickness, and that’s what he was punching. That’s what he was hitting. But sometimes—

SID: He punched people in the stomach.

LIL: He did.

SID: That’s where the spirit was, the demon was.

LIL: Yes.

SID: I get it.

LIL: Yes. Sometimes he said he would be praying for the sick and he would see a pair of hands go and he would put his hands on the Lord’s hands, and healing took place.

SID: What was your home like when one of the kids got sick?

LIL: We lived in the Congo. My mum and dad were missionaries there. There were no doctors. There were no hospitals. My dad wasn’t a doctor.

SID: So if God didn’t heal you’d be dead.

LIL: My mum wasn’t a nurse. She would just call my dad and together they would pray for us. We would fall asleep and wake up well. That’s all we knew.

SID: That’s enough. Not only was healing normal in your home, the supernatural was normal. Tell me about that house without any furniture, in Zambia.

LIL: Well mum and dad had to leave the Congo when the war came, and we found ourselves in Zambia. We rented a home, but we had no furniture. And one day, mum and dad went out to pray for somebody. And I was about 15 at the time. I was alone at home and this big furniture van arrived. They said, “Is this where the Reverend Barry lives?” I said, “Yes, it is.” And so they said, “Well just sign here.” I signed and I opened the doors, and in came the furniture. And I said the lounge furniture will go there, the dining room there, the bedroom there, lamps, kitchen, a stove, a fridge, everything we needed came into the house, and I had just signed for it. And my mum and dad came home, and they walked in, and they said, “Lil, what have you done?”

SID: What did you do?

LIL: I was used to God providing. I learned something that day, Sid.

SID: What?

LIL: I learned that if you sign for it, it’s yours.

SID: I like that.

LIL: If you see it in the Word of God, sign for it. If you see healing is in the Word of God, sign for it, it’s yours. If you see a miracle of finance, sign for it, it’s yours.

SID: Tell me about a guest that I’ve had on this show. His name is Jack Sheffield. You know him well. He tells me you prayed for him and the same fire on Smith Wigglesworth came on him. Do you remember when it came on you?

LIL: When we get baptized in the Holy Spirit, we get baptized with the fire as well. We’ve got the fire of God on us and in us. All I need to do is activate that in people’s lives.

SID: Well, a little later on in the show, will you do that?

LIL: We’ll do that.

SID: I’m looking forward to it. Now, Jack says that he has tremendous miracles since the fire was activated in him.

LIL: I’ve prayed for many people, Sid, and they go and do far greater things than I’ve ever seen.

SID: One of the things you talk about is you ask God for significant miracles. What’s a significant miracle?

LIL: It’s a miracle that everybody would know about. I was invited to Kenya to help a church in a very poor area, and they said would I go for a week and help the church grow. And so when we got there, we prayed in the first meeting that God would give us a significant miracle. We also prayed that they would put on a roof on the church because it’s going to take faith. They couldn’t afford, nobody in that village could afford to put a roof on a church that size. We said, “God, by the end of this week, would you please finance the roof for this church.” Well in that first meeting there was a young boy about 10 or 12. He came up with his little sister of about five and he said to me, “She can understand everything we tell her to do, but she cannot speak. She’s never spoken.” And I knew this was the significant miracle because the whole village knew this little girl. So we prayed for her that night. We rebuked that damned spirit. And then the next evening I said, “Is that young girl in the meeting?” And the crowd says, “Yes, yes, yes!” And they brought her forward. And so I thought I would have to teach her how to speak, and so I said, “Say mama.” And she rattled off something and they all began to laugh. I said, “What did she say?” They said, she said, “I don’t have to say mama like a baby. I can talk big talk like my big brother now.”

SID: Well I would imagine that traveled throughout the village.

LIL: Well it did.

SID: I would call that a significant miracle.

LIL: Yes.

SID: But what happened?

LIL: So the church was filling up and then the very last meeting we had, there was a very nicely dressed elderly gentleman, and he came up to me and he said, “I have been away from my village for many years. I went away to work.” And he said, “I’ve come home and I see this church needs a roof, and I am going to pay for the roof.”

SID: You know, I’ve read about this, but I want to ask Lil a question when we come back. In 1939, Smith Wigglesworth saw the future of all the moves of God. I want to find out exactly what was prophesied and where we are right now on the moves of God’s spirit, when we come back.

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