Hello, Sid Roth here, welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest has been practicing, soaking in the presence of God for 25 years. She has seen multitudes healed and begin to hear God’s voice clearly and have visions and fresh encounters with God’s love. She says it’s so simple and available for everyone. Interested?

Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Can our dreams contain messages from heaven? Are there hidden forces of darkness trying to block God’s blessings for your life? Do angels exist providing us with supernatural protection disarming our enemies? Is God ready to bring a tsunami wave of healing onto planet earth today? Sid Roth has spent over 40 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural!

SID: Hello I’m here with Carol Arnott and many of you are familiar with Carol and her husband John and they were the leaders of what has been known as the Toronto Airport Outpouring, an unbelievable, something like four and a half million people came from all over the world because the presence of God was there. And Carol has just written a brand new book on soaking. And many of you know what soaking is, but many of you don’t even know what that is, and would you briefly describe what is soaking?

CAROL: Sid, it is positioning yourself before the Lord. It’s saying, “Lord, here I am. I’ve come to love you.” No prayer agendas, no intercession, all that’s good but it’s time to be focused on him and it opens your heart to intimacy, it opens your heart to being transformed, to be healed, to be radically in love and to be empowered as well because you see you can’t give away what you don’t already have.

SID: And when I think of soaking I think of laying down on the floor or sitting in a comfortable chair playing some very relaxing music and being still before the Lord. Now when you started this soaking no one had taught you this, you had no paradigm for it. How did you start?

CAROL: Well, I started because I couldn’t stand in the presence of the Lord. I would be on the floor. And so, I was just there and I would be loving him and his presence would be there and the more I loved him the more his presence would come. And then he would begin to say, “I love you, my daughter. You are so precious to me.” And then I’d say, “Do you really love me?” And then he’d say, “Yes, I really love you.” It’s hard for us to believe because we know what we’re like, right?

SID: Well, and God knows even better than we know.

CAROL: I know. I know. But it’s really opening our hearts to believe that he really, really, really loves us and that we really are his son and really are his daughter. And he absolutely, his whole thing is he wants to spend time with us. You see that’s the most valuable thing that we own. He spoke to me, and he said, “Carol, sell me the most valuable thing that you own.” And I said, “Lord, I don’t know what that is. What are you talking about? Do you want my house? I have to ask John. The only thing I own that’s valuable is my horse. Do you want me to sell my horse?” And he said, “No, I want you to sell me your most valuable thing.” I said, Lord, “I don’t know what that is.” And he said, “Carol the most valuable thing that you own is your time. Sell me your time and buy the pearl of great price.”

CAROL: And that began, Sid, my time spent with the Lord just loving him, just worshiping him. Sometimes it would be just his presence would come and he would tell me the desires of his heart to me and it was getting to know him just much like a young couple in love, they talk for hours. John and I talked for hours on the phone and my mom and his mom would say, “What on earth are you talking about? You just talked to him last night for two hours.” And I said, “I don’t know what we talked about but I just love him.” And so, you want to take time to get to know somebody. Well, it’s the same with God. He’s a God of love, he’s a God of relationship, and he wants us to become relational with him on an emotional level and on a heart level.

TOM: I really do.

SID: Tell me one scripture you look at.

TOM: Yeah. Like Luke 21:25-28 through 28 it says, and there shall be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars, and that word is asteroid. There shall be signs in the asteroids and upon the earth, distress of nations. That’s exactly what I saw, with perplexity they don’t know what to do about it. But to finish the verse, the sea and the waves roaring, that’s exactly what I saw. Men’s hearts failing them for fear and looking after those things that are coming.

SID: And you said we will eventually be able to see it with our naked eye.

TOM: That’s exactly right. But then it says this, but then shall they see the sign of the coming of the son of man. And when you see these things begin to come to pass, then lift up your eyes and look up, lift up your heads for your redemption draws nigh.

SID: When I heard president Trump say announced that he was creating a new branch of service, the space force, how does this fit in or what makes you think that one of the agendas was this wormwood prophecy?

TOM: I have friends, you have friends, that are around the president, they are prophecy believers and they have been in his ear about this issue and about Wormwood. And so that’s part and some of these are Christian scientists who are talking about that, so that’s part of it. And by the way, it’s a giant umbrella, it’s already been funded. The new space force, that’s the new branch of the US military. But if you look at the reasons behind it and its funding, it’s almost all having to do with near earth objects, asteroids and the mitigation of those asteroids. This has come together very quickly, it got funded very quickly and it is because—

SID: I was wondering why it happened so fast.

TOM: And by the way, to add another element to this, at the national cathedral just last week, they just anointed and blessed a brand new King James version of the Bible and the order is that every commanding officer in the space force has to be sworn into duty using that Bible. So Donald Trump and his administration, they also recognize that there is a supernatural element around this issue.

SID: You believe that this could cause a worldwide turning to God?

TOM: Yes. What I saw was people everywhere on their faces begging God. You know the new Testament says some saved with fear, right? Hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Some people are not motivated until something catastrophic like this happens, but the church has also been asleep. Not everybody, but a lot, and this is going to be a wake up call for people everywhere who will be turning to God. Many of the people in the church. I imagine that your ministry, Sid, is going to use this as the greatest evangelism opportunity perhaps in the history of humankind. It’s going to be a great opportunity to reach the greatest, largest number of people because at that time everybody is going to have this on their mind. They’re all going to be talking about it, they’re all going to be begging God to deliver them. It’s going to be a great opportunity. It could literally be what instigates the next great awakening.

SID: Well, Tom, you say based on your study of the Bible that there is a sliver of hope. Why do you say that?

TOM: Well, there is a precedent in scripture, the great prophecy of Joel. You know the great armies of the locusts are going to come over the mountains, but then it ends with God saying, but if you will turn to me with all of your heart and body and soul and mind, rend your heart and not your garments, I will give you a blessing instead of a curse. There is a precedent in scripture. God sends Jonah to Nineveh to tell them in 40 days from now, you guys are all toast, but what did they do? From the King on down, they repented in sackcloth and ashes and God delayed the judgment. I want to say this, I didn’t see this being delayed. In other words, I believe that it is possible God is God and not Tom Horn, thankfully, right? It is possible that if enough people, if the world were to repent basically and turn to God, it is possible that judgement could be delayed.

SID: Do you believe that’s going to happen?

TOM: No. I believe with all certainty that I could have, that April, Friday the 13th, 2029 Apophis is going to fulfill the Wormwood prophecy of Revelation 8 and it is going to impact the earth.

SID: I know that heaven is real, I know that hell is real. And the descriptions of hell of people that have visited to come back to be witnesses of it’s reality, that asteroid is nothing compared to eternity separated from the love of God. I want you to say a prayer and mean it to the best of your ability. Repeat after me out loud, dear God, I’m a sinner for which I’m so sorry. I believe the blood of Jesus, the precious blood of Jesus washes away my sins and in your sight I am clean. It’s so good to be clean and now that I know I’m clean, I ask Jesus to be my Lord and savior, Jesus come inside of me. Amen.

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Ryan Johnson: Hi, I’m Ryan Johnson. Do you have prophetic promises that have not yet come to pass? Join me on the next It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth and I will mentor you so that you have the tools to contend for the prophetic promises and see them fulfilled in your life.

SID: Hello. I’m here with Jermaine and Rebecca Francis and a nice young couple. Between you and me, what’s it like being married to a prophet? Both of you are prophets.

JERMAINE:  It’s absolutely terrifying, Sid.

REBECCA: Can’t get away with anything.

SID: Goodness. Speaking of not getting away with it, Jermaine, tell me about the twin girls that went missing.

JERMAINE:  Yes. We were speaking at a conference earlier this year and some people in the conference had a connection with the local law enforcement and they got word to us and said there were twin girls that were missing and they were searching for them all day and couldn’t find them and so they wanted us to pray. And so the leader of the conference prayed a little bit. Then he walked over to me, I wasn’t even expecting, handed me the microphone and said, “I want you to pray.” And so I just said, “Okay.” And being a prophetic person, we always ask the Lord, what are you saying about this? Don’t just pray from ourselves. And so I just said a little, what are you saying? And immediately I just felt the Lord saying in my spirit begin to declare that these girls would be found within the hour. And so I began—

SID: What are you saying? We Jewish people have a word for that, it’s all chutzpah. That means nerve. It takes a lot of chutzpah to do that.

JERMAINE:  Yes. Yes.

SID: So what happens?

JERMAINE:  Immediately I took the microphone and I began to declare and I said, “Within the hour these girls would be found,” in front of a live audience and handed the microphone back.

SID: It’s better it wasn’t in front of a dead audience.

JERMAINE:  You couldn’t resist—and so we went back into a time of worship and then about 20 minutes later they got back on the microphone and said the girls were found within that hour.

SID: Rebecca, you say it’s easy for believers to prophesy. Do you really mean that?

REBECCA: Absolutely. It’s easy. It’s natural. As you say, naturally supernatural. We’ve overcomplicated it, but I love what Jesus said. He said, “My sheep hear my voice.” And the thing is, he said it so matter of factly. There’s no hype around it. He didn’t need to make a big announcement. It was not that complicated. He just said, “My sheep hear my voice.”

SID: Jermaine, I want to take you back. Do you remember the first time that you prophesied?

JERMAINE:  Yes.

SID: What happened?

JERMAINE:  I was absolutely nervous.

SID: It’s as bad as being married to a prophetess.

JERMAINE:  Pretty close. I was absolutely nervous. And what happened was we are in a time of prophetic activations where they wanted to begin to exercise your gift and begin to step out there by faith. And they said, “Begin to receive something from the Lord and pray for the person I partnered you with.” And so I look for the scariest person as me in the room because I was super nervous. I was like I don’t know if I can do this. And so I found this lady and I just said, “Okay, let’s partner together.” And so I closed my eyes and said, “Okay Lord, if you have a word for her.” I really wasn’t expecting anything and immediately the Lord just dropped in my spirit. She’s looking for a job, she needs some situations with her job situation. And so I just said, “Okay, I’m going to pray this.” Terrified and I prayed it and she begins to weep and begins to cry and say, “Oh my gosh, that’s exactly what I prayed to the Lord this morning. I was looking for a job and you prayed exactly what I prayed.” And that brought so much peace and confirmation to her.

TONY:  I was in the state of Louisiana there was a woman who came forward for prayer. She had 60% bone loss. She was in a lot of pain. I came, when she came up to, and I prayed for her nothing happened. I said “Lord, what’s the problem?” The Lord spoke to me and He said “When she was much younger she had an abortion. She repented, asked me to forgive her but she never forgave herself. So I brought it up to her. Instantly she began to cry. As soon as she forgave herself because Jesus said in Luke 6 “Forgive and you shall be forgiven” instantly her pain disappeared and she was healed by Jesus. I was sharing earlier that there was a woman, I did a, a Minister’s meeting in Joshua Texas. A woman came up. She had one shoulder blade like this, another shoulder blade like that. And, uh, she was in tremendous pain. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “She’s mad at her body. She has bitterness and unforgiveness at her body because she can’t do what she used to be able do. Tell her to forgive her body.” In Luke 6 Jesus says “Forgive and you shall be forgiven.” He doesn’t say who and He doesn’t say what. The minute I ask her to forgive her body she yell, she puts out a yell, and she goes UHHH! And her, and her shoulder blades go “Phoooh” and become even and her pain disappears!

AUDIENCE:  Whooo!  (APPLAUSE)

TONY:  I remember a case. I’ll never forget this case. Uh, this was a, uh, uh, a Hispanic, uh, brother. He spent a lot of time in, in prison. Uh, he had, he had come to church. Uh, uh, you know, he was kind of a street guy. It was a middle class church. They didn’t understand him, uh, he didn’t understand them. And he got hurt in church, because, you, you know, and he developed bitterness and unforgiveness toward the people. And he, then he had cancer. I so I said to him you need to forgive the people. And he obeys the word. He said this. He said when he obeyed the people he said it was as if lightning struck him! The pain disappears. He goes back to the doctor and they could find no trace of the disease!

AUDIENCE:  (APPLAUSE)

TONY:  The first thing I want to say to you is this. I want you to go before God and I want you to forgive everybody. That means ex-husbands and ex-wives. That means son-in-laws and daughter-in-laws. That means father-in-laws and mother-in-laws. That means employers, supervisors, and employees. And if you are mad at your body, I want you to forgive your body. Because the word says, Exodus 15:26: “I’m the Lord who heals you.” The word says in Exodus 23:25: “The Lord will take your disease away.” The word says in Isaiah 53, that Jesus: “was wounded for your transgressions, bruised for your iniquities, the punishment that brings you peace was placed upon him and with his sufferings at the whipping post we are healed.” The word says “by his wounds you were healed.” And see this is what I say to people: I say, Listen, if you get healed I don’t take the credit. If you don’t get healed, I don’t take the blame! 

AUDIENCE:  (LAUGHTER)

TONY:  Look at somebody and say: “Because the Hebrew songbook says—

AUDIENCE:  The Hebrew songbook says—

TONY:  that God sends His word and heals you.” 

AUDIENCE:  —that God sends His word and heals you! 

TONY:  So you really don’t need my hand to be layed upon you. Look at somebody and say “the presence of the Lord is here!”

AUDIENCE:  The presence of the Lord is here!

TONY:  Look at somebody and say “the power of the Lord is here!” AUDIENCE:  The power of the Lord is here! 

SID: This is special, Hank, because we’re living in very special times.

HANK:  You know, I’ve been talking a lot, I know you follow our ministry, this was from New Year’s Eve just a few days ago. We had been prophesying a lot the last month about Iran and North Korea. There’s been a retaliation. There’s been a general of the Uranian army top commander that’s been taken out. And of course the news media is all over it. Calling the President a warmonger and all of this. Here’s where we have to be careful and this is why I’m coming to represent the heart of God.

HANK:  I very little listen to the news and I do it on purpose because when I do hear people talk against, for example, the President, they’re speaking impeachment, I hear the Lord laughing because that’s not God’s idea, nor is it his agenda. God reveals his news through his prophets, Amos 3:7. He does nothing in the earth unless he reveals his secrets to his servants, the prophets. But the enemy, though uses, he uses the airwaves. He’s the Prince of the power of the air. The enemy, how does he, he has to have prophets. He has to have the local media, the national international media voice what his agenda is.

HANK:  Now he’s trying to get us to agree with impeachment. He’s trying to get us to come against this President that happens to be God’s plan. God’s man for a mission of mercy that he’s trying to show the church that right now you’ve got a friend of Israel, you’ve got a friend of the church, Paul prayed. Let the door of the gospel remain open. This President is a friend of you, Christian. “Oh, but he’s immoral.” Listen, do not be quick to judge because they had tried to impeach Moses, but yet Moses was God’s choice and God’s man to rescue and deliver a nation. And the same is true.

HANK:  But here’s what the enemy’s trying to do. Get people to agree with hearsay. I want to share a revelation of what God is saying. Here’s what God said on new year’s, cause I don’t want you to fear about Iran. I don’t want you to think there’s a warmonger. We’ve got four horns, just like Zachariah 4 that are trying to rise up, and if we don’t pray and if we don’t get the right President, which I believe is Trump, it’s God’s man for this next election, we’re going to be faced with four horns; Russia, Iran, North Korea, and China. They will rise up to be enemies. But God has anointed this President to strip them of their power. What the enemy wants to do to preempt a war for World War III.

HANK:  But here’s what God says, “A retaliation shall arise through this President to those in other nations who think that they can bring and afflict fear and harm. They shall say he’s but a warmonger hungry for a war. God says, Do not be fooled, for I’m going to show you the strength and the power of what I’m going to do to raise you up even greater, United States. That your enemies will begin to fear the name United States, again. Do not fear retaliation when you see it before your eyes, but watch what I do in the place of the Middle East. Those who have opposed will be removed.”

SID: You’ve had a vision. Start of 2020. For the next decade, actually even went a little longer. Tell us some of the things you’ve seen.

HANK:  Yes. February 12th of 2019 God showed me a vision that went into 12 years and he said, “Hank, I can’t show you beyond this because your spirit cannot handle beyond this. And he said, the reason it’s 12 years is because I’ve come to set things in order in the earth should I choose to tarry.” Here’s what I saw, some of the things. First of all, he said there will be two specific signs to reveal great awakenings and this will begin to happen. He said protests and power outages, and we’ve already seen since that word fulfilled power outages as a sign that the places that are going to experience these power outages are going to be significant for those that sit in darkness are going to see a great light.

SID: I love your teaching. And she breaks it. She calls these dances because you’re from a, and I hope you got this, because you are fighting from a position of a victor. One of your dances you call the Dance of The Unoffended Heart. What is that?

ANA: I had this vision where God took me up and I saw all these horses running and they were really wild and beautiful. But then I looked and I saw there’s this one horse that was really struggling. So as I got closer I looked and I saw it had a muzzle over its mouth and on the muzzle was written the word offense. Then I heard the Lord’s voice say, “Offense blocks my flow of my spirit.” I thought, that’s the first time I’d ever heard that. Then He showed me that, and then I got to it. It’s like He showed me and then I was tested with it because we had a car that was gifted to us when we came back from overseas. We didn’t have a vehicle and someone gave us this beautiful car. It was our present from God.

We were like, “Thank you, Jesus.” Then it was stolen. It was stolen right out from our driveway in the middle of the night. I’ll never forget that moment. We woke up and we realized it had been stolen and we were crying. “God, what are we going to do?” Then we grabbed hands in the living room and I heard the Lord’s voice say, “I’m testing your response.” I’ll never forget. We grabbed hands and we said, “We’re going to choose to not be offended no matter what happens, God.” But this is what I mean by the unoffended heart is if anything gets taken away, that we’ll say, “We love you, Jesus, no matter what. My faith in you is not going to be shaken, no matter what comes. It won’t be wavered. It won’t be moved because I trust that you are good Daddy and you still will take care of me no matter what it looks like right now.”

SID: We’re also dealing with something called rise from the enemy. This affects being offended. It affects us even at the cellular level. You have been able to look into someone’s body cells. What do you see happening?

ANA: Yes. I was praying for a woman one day and she came and asked for prayer and she had a lot of things going on actually, cough, respiratory thing, back pain, joint pain, you name it. She had a lot going on, but what happened is as I was praying I saw this image. I saw a blood cell and written across the blood cell I saw the word trauma written like that. So I said to her, I stopped and I said, “I’m just going to ask you something. I feel like the Lord showed me something. I could be wrong, but just tell me.” I said, “Did you go through some kind of trauma as a child when you were really young?” She said, “Yes, yes.” Then I said, “Actually the Lord showed me about that, but what I see is that when that trauma happened, a lie came in that somewhere along the way that you believe that you’re not good enough. I believe this sickness, all this stuff you’re experiencing is all attached to that lie.”

She started crying. We ended up walking her through repenting for coming into agreement with the lie that I’m not good enough. As she broke that off, then she was physically completely healed of everything that she came in there with. So this thing about lies is so important. When we’re in warfare, I do this all the time. I actually, every day I ask the Lord practically, I say, “Jesus, is there any lie that I’m believing right now that’s not of you?”

SID: Because when you can get rid of that lie, you use a phrase, and you’re going to love this phrase, Ana refuses to be a landing strip for the devil.

ANA: When Jesus, He prayed for that man and all the demons came out of the man, and then the demons asked Jesus, “Can we go into those pigs?” When I look at that Scripture, I see that demonic activity, it looks for somewhere to land. So I’m like I am not going to be a landing strip for the enemy. I’m going to keep myself clean. I’m going to repent of sin, if I have any sin in my life, first and foremost. Then I asked the Lord, is there a lie I’m believing that’s not of you? If Holy Spirit brings it up, I say, “I break my agreement with that lie in Jesus’ name. Now God show me truth,” because we’ve got to get truth setback. You pull out the lie, you’ve got to get something to put back in. So what’s the truth, God? Then He shows me and I say, “Now this is mine and I claim it and I declare it over myself.”

SID: One of the greatest and one of the most overlooked weapons is the dance of joy. Are you ready for joy next?

SID: You teach that a lot of people don’t understand that when they plant or sow, it must be intentional.

PATRICIA: Right. Well, that’s what Isaac did. I believe Isaac intentionally sowed that seed because obviously it wasn’t the greatest land to sow in and they’d been in drought and famine. It was just like. But he knew the covenant that he had with God through his father Abraham. And so he intentionally sowed believing for results. And I find faith is the key, Sid. Faith is the key. So when we get a word from God and we intentionally respond to that, knowing that I’m being obedient to your word, Lord, and I’m intentionally doing this, then there’s an expectation for what God said is going to happen is going to happen.

SID: That’s the faith dimension.

PATRICIA: Right. It is the faith dimension.

SID: Now, I understand you lived in Mexico and you became very, very rich.

PATRICIA: That’s right. Well, a lot of times, Sid, people in our Western culture, they equate being rich with the world’s monetary system or material things, but in the kingdom it’s so different than that. So there we were in Mexico living in the slums of Mexico and we were living in a very humble place. We were in one room. Our whole family was in one room, in a little apartment that was maybe 600 square feet or so, and we had six other young guys living with us. One bathroom, a little kitchen area, and we were rich as could be. We had, of course, everything that we needed as far as shelter. We had a good sleep every night. We had transportation to get to where we were going.

SID: You were really happy with one bathroom for all those people?

PATRICIA: We were at so much grace at the time and grace makes you rich. I tell you. But every day we were able to go out and see people run to the Lord. We saw people healed from sickness every day. I’m sure, and I don’t think I’m exaggerating on that in that season. We saw them delivered from demons. We saw supernatural provision come in. We were building homes for the poor. We were building orphanages, medical centers, furnishing them with supplies. We had an abundance, and it was a good thing that we didn’t have a great big house to look after, whatever, because we wouldn’t have time for it anyway.

SID: But you felt so satisfied, so rich.

PATRICIA: Yep. That’s what rich is all about. When you’re satisfied, like just think of it, in our Western culture we think we have to have everything bigger. In fact, people go into debt to get something bigger because the world’s expectation is that’s what calls you rich, right? Or a greater car or a higher end handbag or whatever it is. And they go, ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching, go into debt with it. That’s not rich. That’s bondage. But you can have a small place that you live in with everything paid for, no debt, everything that you need and more, no worries. Free to serve God, I call that rich.

SID: I do too. Did you know that you can ascend to and descend from heaven at will and it’s biblically true? Be right back.

SID: Then you began operating under an open heaven and the seer gifts started being activated. Tell me about that.

JUSTIN: That’s right. Yeah. So almost immediately I began having dreams. I was trying to read through the Bible as quickly as possible. And I went to bed one night and asked God, “Why don’t you speak to people in dreams anymore?” Because I had just read about Joseph and being raised in a denomination… Actually both of my grandfathers were pastors in a denomination. But I was taught that God didn’t do that anymore. Well, this sincere question in my heart to God before I went to sleep, he heard it and he answered and I received a prophetic dream that night that led to someone that I had known for years to get born again and delivered and restored to their family all because I had a prophetic dream that God used to really bring this person into the kingdom. And from that point forward dreams and shortly thereafter visions became very commonplace.

SID: However, you got really embroiled into ministry and you went through what the world calls burnout. And for seven years it was like the open heaven closed, the gifting stopped. But then you got a hold of two major revelations that not only changed his life, but I promise you, if you will do what he did with these revelations, it’ll change your life. The first person was someone, a prophet who’s now in heaven permanently. His name is Bob Jones, and he provoked me to so much jealousy because every time I’m talking to him, he says, “Well, I was just spent… About an hour ago I was up in heaven. I did this. I did that.” And I’m thinking, what’s a matter with me? I’ve never been up in heaven. You’re doing it all the time. But what did he, major thing he taught you, key?

JUSTIN: Yes. He taught me that waiting on the Lord, waiting in his presence, not reading the Bible even, not even praying, although those things are important, but waiting in God’s presence and discerning the presence of God, waiting for him to lead us into an encounter that that was the doorway. And Bob actually said that many of his most dramatic encounters with God began with something subtle. It began with him waiting in the presence of God and maybe seeing a slight vision or maybe some prompting of the spirit. And it was whenever he leaned in or pressed into what he was seeing, that it became a major encounter even to the point of being caught up into the throne room.

I think I’ve been convinced largely because of scriptures like Hebrews chapter four that we have an invitation to come boldly before the throne of grace. Or a Revelation chapter four that there’s a door standing open in heaven. That was actually Bob’s favorite verse. And there’s a voice saying, “Come up here and I will show you things which are to come.” Hebrews chapter 10 tells us that Jesus has made a new and living way for us to enter behind the veil into the holiest place. And this is a privilege that used to be only for the high priest once a year, but now God has given every believer an invitation to come into his very manifest presence behind the veil into the very throne room. Yeah.

SID: But then you read another person who is now in heaven. She lived over 300 years ago and she took the revelation for you even further. What did she teach you?

JUSTIN: Yes. So Madam Guyon, a 17th century contemplative, lived a life of deep experiential prayer, and she wrote really systematic steps to entering into the presence of God. Some of her principles, such as she would say that prayer is nothing more than the application of the heart to God and the internal exercise of love. In other words, prayer is not primarily a prayer of the head, it’s primarily a prayer of the heart. There were other things that she taught as well related to the word of God and allowing prayer, reading the scriptures to be a real catalyst to a high place of encounter.

Becky: And I went running to the man and I got down to him and when I reached down and touched him, he felt like he had been dead for a long time. His body was cold and stiff like it had been dead for a very long time. And I said, “In Jesus’ name, I renounce the spirit of death. In Jesus’ name, I command you to come back to life.” And nothing happened. And I’m like going, “Oh Lord, this is a healing evangelist’s worst nightmare.” I’m like going, “A man actually died in the healing line. Help me, Lord.” And so I was a little confused at what was going on, why? And so I laid my hand on him again and I said, “You breathe now in Jesus’ name.” And I said it three times. “You breathe, breathe, breathe in the name of Jesus.”

And he took this big gasp of breath … and then he started to roll around and foam at the mouth and all this demonic activity started coming out of the man. I’m starting to stand up looking at this. And a woman out there had come to visit her people and she said, she goes, “Don’t you know who he is?” And I said, “I don’t, I don’t know who he is. Who is he?” She goes, “He’s the witch doctor.” And I was like, “Oh, I get it.” And that morning I had prayed very differently before going out and ministering to the people all day. I had, as we were praying in the spirit, [speaking tongues] as we were praying in tongues that morning, I prayed something I’d never prayed before. But I’ve prayed it ever since. I said, “And may every curse and assignment that they try to put on us today, may it bounce back on them and teach them a lesson in Jesus’ name.”

SID: Well, that was a literal bounce back. The guy goes to touch her, to put a curse on her, and he falls out dead. Would you pray right now against the spirit of death, the demon a death?

BECKY: Amen.

SID: Because I know the authority you carry.

BECKY: Okay, let’s hold hands. In the name of Jesus right now I renounce that spirit of death coming against you in the name of Jesus. I declare no weapon formed against you will prosper. This disease, this sickness in Jesus’ name, you leave their body, that spirit of suicide, you leave their body, that desire to abort your child. I command that spirit of death to come off of you in the mighty name of Jesus. No weapon formed against you will prosper. No evil will come near your dwelling. And those lying spirits will be silenced in the name of Jesus. That spirit of death, you come off of these people right now in the name of Jesus. Amen.

SID: Amen. But then, the next day, she goes to visit the witch doctor. What happened?

BECKY: Yes. I went to go visit him the next day with the help of the interpreters and I wanted to give him the opportunity to get born again if he was willing. And I walked into his hut and I said, “Hi, I’m Becky. Do you remember me?” And he went like this, because he didn’t want to look at me and he was afraid to look at me. And he was … and he felt embarrassed about everything that happened because he realized that he was operating in the lesser power than what we operate in Jesus. Amen? And so, I gave him the opportunity to get born again and he says, “I can’t do what you’re asking me to do.” And I said, “why can’t you?” He said, “The other which doctors,” which are higher than he is, “They already came to visit me and they threatened me if I give my life to Jesus.”

And I tried to minister to him and he said, “I can’t. They’ve come and they have threatened my life. I cannot do this.” And I said, “Okay, I’m telling you how to get born again. I’m just telling you and this is what you do.” And so I told him and we were walking out of the hut and outside of his hut were standing several of his wives, because out there they have multiple wives and many children and grandchildren and all of that. And they were standing outside of the hut and he walked me out to the doorway. So he saw everything and heard everything that was going on and they said, “We don’t want what you have. We don’t want your inheritance. We want this Jesus that she’s talking about.”

SID: You literally saw the contest between evil and God. And it’s a no contest. We win.

SID: How could you know that? How could you make a statement to a mother, that her son is dead, dead, dead? And I guess if he ever for some miracle became alive, he’d be brain dead.

JASON: Because I saw life in his eyes and I knew those two angels. I’d seen them before and I knew it. I walked out, we said, I mean he is walking out of the hospital and we held onto that. The next morning I came back though and it was about 9:00 AM and walk in and he’s still in bad shape. I mean, he was still in a coma. Doctors are still saying there was no hope. I walk up to his bed and I said, “John, this is Pastor Jason,” and we’d actually never met. I’d only been their pastor for three months at this point.

And I walked up to his bed and I said, “John, this is Pastor Jason.” And tears started rolling down his eyes and I said, “Do you want me to stay with you?” And he shook his head yes. And at that moment I felt like the Lord said, as a shepherd, there are times that I call pastors to leave the 99 for the one. And that’s what I’m calling you to do. And I stuck by his side. We saw God do incredible miracles. He walked out of the hospital completely healed and whole 16 days later.

SID: How old is John Smith now and what is his health like?

JASON: John Smith is 19 years old and he was cleared by all doctors 40 days after that. He is perfectly fine.

SID: There’s a word that God taught you. and most people don’t know what you’re really… They know what the word means, but they don’t know what you’re referring to. God said positioning. Did he speak to you with an audible voice?

JASON: And audible voice. Because I was wrestling with this. I go… And even before John’s accident, I was wrestling with reading the Book Of Acts, seeing people in incredible need today knowing God could do miracles that we read about in the Book Of Acts and throughout the New Testament, but not seeing it today. There’s a disconnect. And I was praying, “Lord, do what you did in the Book Of Acts today. We need you to show up. People need breakthrough.” And a week later, John Smith happened. And as we walked through that process, I go, “Okay Lord, I know we can’t dictate the outcomes of miracles. We can’t be really focused, but what do we need to do?”

And I started this study through the scripture of looking at every miracle and realizing that God always chooses to partner with us when he’s about to do a miracle or breakthrough, whether that be in finances or health. He always uses a human component. And we need to position ourselves for a miracle. And the greatest perspective is… It’s like a baseball analogy. You’re out in right field, out in the… And you don’t know when a ball’s coming, but when it comes, you got to be ready to catch it. And that’s the best way of how to position ourselves, I think, for a miracle, to be ready for what God wants to do.

SID: I want you to take me through how Joyce Smith positioned herself for her son’s miracle.

JASON: Yeah, definitely. When she walked into that room, she’d heard the report, she knew exactly what the doctors were saying about John, that he was dead. And in a split second, because I believe that if she would have made a different move, if she would’ve said, okay, I’m just going to allow my son to die, he would’ve been gone. But in a split second… And so many times it’s our split second response when we get that call and life turns upside down, what we do in that split second will dictate if we’re going to position ourselves for a miracle or not.

When Joyce walked into that room, she didn’t have to think about it. It was inside of her. She grabbed his feet and she prayed, “Holy spirit, bring my son back to life.” There was not any other talk. And what I always say is that when we get into a moment like that, what we put inside of us is what comes out. And that’s why it’s so important to, before it even happens, before we’re even in a situation, to be putting that stuff inside of us to know. And what stuff am I talking about? The scripture, God’s principles, about how do we position ourselves. That stuff inside of us so that when that moment comes that we can do what Joyce did and position ourselves and believe God for a miracle.

SID: God told him so many things.

JASON: Yes.

SID: In addition to how to position yourself? God told him to ignore certain things. Imagine, ignore them. We’ll be right back.