Sid: Hello this is Sid Roth here welcome to Mashuga for Yeshua. Mashuga is a Hebrew word it means crazy for Yeshua for Jesus. And you may say “Well Sid you’re crazy for Jesus.” And I’ll say to you what are you crazy for? Everyone’s crazy for something I just happen to be crazy for Jesus. I am Mashuga for Yeshua.” My guest Rick Renner he’s got to be more Mashuga than me he picks up his whole family and he moves to Russia and this was before Rick this was before communism was down is that correct?

Rick: Oh yes communism was to rule and king at that moment.

Sid: And I remember going there before communism was down and I remember all of the security I had to go through and long lines in the stores and how awful those hotels were. How could you have done that to your family Rick? (Laughing)

Rick: You know Sid with the first time I went to the Soviet Union I just feel in love with it. When I saw those red flags and the sickle and the hammer and the soldiers carrying their machine guns something in me just woke up and said “This is where you’re supposed to be.” It had to the grace of God.

Sid: You told me that you really were pushed over, so to speak, when you were teaching in a Bible School in the former Soviet Union and God spoke to you. Tell me about that.

Rick: It was the first above ground Bible School in the Soviet Union. There was about 200 students and I did not want to go there. I had grown up in a family we had 5 missionaries and I said “Being a missionary is something I’m never going to be.” And someone really kind of guilted me into going on this mission trip and I found myself saying “Yes.” So I ended up on this airplane landing in the Soviet Union, next thing I knew checking into a hotel where there were cockroaches and rats and…

Sid: It must have been the same hotel I was at (Laughing).

Rick: I mean the Soviet Union had just fallen apart.

Sid: It was awful and by the way I did the same awful thing you did I took my wife I didn’t know what we were walking into. I did one of the first Jewish…probably the first Jewish outreach in the former Soviet Union and I didn’t know how bad it was and I took my wife there. Do you know there was so many cockroaches and bugs and everything else you could imagine in the hotel rooms that we had to move our bed into the halls because that was safer than the rooms.

Rick: That sounds like a Soviet hotel.

Sid: Okay so you forced yourself you’re speaking and what happens?

Rick: I stood up and I opened my Bible and when I opened my Bible the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “Welcome to you to your new home.” And I literally was just stunned by what I heard and I thought “What?!” And the Holy Spirit repeated to me the second time “Welcome to your new home.” And that hour that I taught the whole hour that I looked into the eyes of those students I kept thinking “This is my new home, these are my new people.” And Sid God absolutely transferred a love for the Soviet people deep into my heart. And do you know when my family finally made the big move it took a little while for me to get my family there but within a year we were there. And when we got off the airplane came down those steps from the plane of course there were Soviet soldiers back in those days standing there with a machine guns and it was dark. But my entire family got on our knees right on the tar mat right on the bottom of the airplane and we dedicated ourselves to this land and we kissed the ground and we asked God to put the Soviet Union into our heart. And we just didn’t know how deep it was going to be put into our heart. Now we’re still there and that was way back in 1991.

Sid: Now how many children do you have?

Rick: We have 3 sons.

Sid: Okay and how old were they when you came?

Rick: Joel tuned 2 that week, and I think Philip was 6 and Paul was 8 and so they were young. And moving your family to the Soviet Union was not something were doing back in those days. And I can tell you Sid that there are people who came but as far as I know were the only ones that stayed. We don’t know another missions family who has been in Russia as long as we have, we don’t know anyone. We watched history change right in front of our eyes.

Sid: I’m sure but all of these years later since the early 90’s you have 400 churches that you’re an apostle over. You have a television network, how did you get into television?

Rick: Well television started in the very beginning and I preached at a…I preached in a big event in the city of Regolatsia and the event was broadcast and my wife and I were watching the broadcast and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “Now I’m going to tell you why I really brought you here.” You know sometimes God gets you in a direction and doesn’t tell you the full story until you’re in route.

Sid: I understand.

Rick: Well now we were there and the Holy Spirit said “Now I’m going to tell you why I really brought you here I want you to take Sunday School to the people of the Soviet Union on television.” And so I just begin to do…

Sid: You know the Holy Spirit’s brilliant what a great idea (Laughing.)

Rick: You know they didn’t know the Bible but they were absolutely open hearted to learn and the Soviet Union has collapsed and everything is just raging out of control a time of craziness and people were hungry for answers. And at that particular moment they wanted to hear what Americans had to say. So I began to travel all over the Soviet Union and we began to develop a network of stations that have been with us all of these years. And we broadcast all over the former Soviet Union.

Sid: As from what I understand you were probably one of the first Christian networks in the Soviet Union.

Rick: I believe that we were the first actually and it’s been such an honor that we’ve been able to broadcast for all of these years that stated in 1992.

Sid: Okay I need you to help me out I am really in lack of better words in awe of the gifting God has given you. I’ve been reading your book “Dressed to Kill.” I love the subtitle before the title “You Don’t Have to Take It Anymore Because You Are Dressed to Kill.” Since I brought that up what does that…briefly what does that mean?

Rick: It really has to do with putting on the whole armor of God. And you know Paul’s pretty specific in Ephesians chapter 6 about “Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.” And God has provided this wonderful weaponry for us and if we will wear that weaponry and if we will walk in that weaponry it enables us to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Sid: You know I want to let people understand what I’m talking about: #1 you are a very very anointed Bible teacher. #2 You have a handle on the Greek as few people I have ever heard. And I want you to kind of illustrate this by where it talks about the armor or God. It’s Ephesians chapter 6 in the 10^th verse it says “Finally be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.” Explain the Greek in that because what you did with that one sentence it would be enough food for the average Christian for a month.

Rick: Thank you you know I studied Greek in the university so it’s a very serious thing with me. But when Paul says “Finally my brethren” that word finally is totaloipon in Greek. It means “now to the rest of the matter.” And in fact when you take the whole book of Ephesians which is filled with theological subjects you come to the very end where Paul uses this word totaloipon the word finally, in some documents it would have been translated “Now to the last and most important matter at hand.”

Sid: That does make a difference you know when you say that it really grabs your attention rather than “Finally” you know that’s just like an after-thought but go ahead.

Rick: I mean when you consider Ephesians is filled with the eternal plan of God it’s teaching on the grace of God, salvation, family matters, husband and wife relationships. But when you come to the end that word finally is almost the equivalent of if you’re not going to hang on to anything else that I’ve said to you in this letter I’ve saved this to the end so that this will stand supreme in your mind “Finally the most important matter at hand my brethren be strong in the Lord.” And then Paul begins his text on spiritual warfare it’s very powerful.

Sid: But let’s just go down a couple more words “Finally be strong in the Lord.” Tell me about the word strong.

Rick: That word strong is the “Enduo” that’s a compound of two words the word in and the word duo which is the word dunamis the word power. And that word strong describes the specific kind of power that is placed to be put in something. In other words this not just a free floating power that’s floating through the air but this is a power that’s designed to be placed into some kind of receptacle. In this particular case the Holy Spirit was talking to us you and I are the receptacles especially made to be the containers of this special power. And the Greek that is used describes a power that flows in and gives an inner strengthening. And it is a command and so this is not an option it is something that we are commanded to receive. “Be strong in the Lord, receive an infilling of the Spirit which makes you strong.” And when Paul says “In the Lord and in the power of His might” it’s really describing about the mighty miraculous power of God.

Sid: I’ll tell you when I just read your teaching on one line from Ephesians I mean I felt like I read the New Testament for the first time. That depth makes such a difference in our comprehension Rick, I know that you know that, but most people you know they read that one line in the English and they miss most of what God’s trying to communicate.

Rick: You know the Greek language was fashioned by God I believe in a special way and the Holy Spirit choice it for the New Testament because it is so full. And so when I teach for instance in “Dressed to Kill” I really don’t teach verse by verse I teach word by word. Every single word is like a whole illustrated sermon and it just opens up. David prayed in Psalm 119 and said “Open my eyes to see wondrous things to behold. And I believe that when you study the Greek New Testament God opens the eyes to see things that are just wondrous.

Sid: Okay 1980 you’re a student, you’re in college, you’re home, you’re praying and you have an angelic visitation. Was that your first angelic visitation?

Rick: Yes it was and it took me completely off guard.

Sid: Tell me about it.

Rick: I was at home at the time and I had just laid down on my couch and Sid I suddenly felt a presence in the room. I’m sure that you had experiences where you feel something but you don’t know who it is or you don’t know where they are. I felt a presence in that room. And I sat straight up on the couch, reached to my right, turned on the lamp and within seconds standing in front of me a man materialized. When he materialized there was such a peace that came with it he was standing I would say that he was standing 5 to 6 feet in front of me. And when I looked into his eyes I’ve never seen eyes like that you could look into those eyes forever they were so deep. And he…I thought to myself “Who is this man?” Now I thought that and he never opened his mouth but he answered me it was thought to thought communication. And he said “I am from the presence of the Lord.” And I understood that this was an angel and he stood there and he began to communicate with me 3 things about my life and about my future. It was a very formative stage of my life and so of course this has had a great impact on my life. And I’ve only rarely shared this experience.

Sid: What did he tell you about your future?

Rick: Well the first thing he told…well the first thing he did was he held up his hands and in between his hands it looked like he was holding a parchment or a text. And I understood that it was the words of “1 Peter 1 where God talks about sojourners and those who had experienced difficulty in life.” And it was like those words left his hands and entered into me. And when they entered into me they filled my chest these words about being a sojourner and about being with people who have suffered difficulty for their faith. Then he raised his hands again and it was in between his hands he held the words Isaiah 53 where the Bible talks about the suffering Savior. And the words of that entered into me and I understood again that the sufferings of Christ and the people who have suffered. Then Sid it was like the whole room filled with a map. And this map began to violently shake.

Sid: What was the map of?

Rick: It was a map of the world.

Sid: Okay.

Rick: Yeah I could see the whole world and this visitor said to me that “There’s going to be earthshaking events that are going to take place geographically in your life.” And I understood that God was giving me a ministry which was going to reach out to people who had traveled and that my life would be a sojourning ministry that living in America probably was not going to be my destiny. I didn’t understand exactly what it would be but I understood that it would be a sojourning ministry and that God was calling me to minister to a people who had suffered and that we would see earth shaking events happen during our life and would live in a part of world where there would be monumental changes. And just as soon as he appeared he disappeared. And I found myself sitting on that couch in that room just pondering what had just happened to me. It was really life changing experience.

Sid: You know before we went on the air we were talking about your belief in end times based on your knowledge of the Greek and spending a lifetime studying the scriptures and loving the scriptures the way you do. And you told me that you really feel, and you distinguish between last days and the last of the last days. I’ve often wondered when I read the book of Hebrews and it starts out “In these last days” and I thought “Boy they sure missed it.” Comment on the difference between the last days and the last of the last days.

Rick: Well the last days is a period that began on Pentecost at 9:00 in the morning. I mean God is very specific on His calendar. When Peter stood up and said “These are not drunken as you supposed seeing that it’s the 9^th hour of the day this is that what was prophesied by the Prophet Joel that I will pour out My Spirit in the last days.” And that marked a period a period which some people called “The Church Age” other people call it the age of grace. But the Bible calls it “The last days” and we have literally been living in that time period for 2000 years. And so when people get skeptical or maybe they even get a little sarcastic and they “Oh the last days we’ve been living in the last days for 2000 years.” That’s exactly right it’s been about a 2000 year time period. But when you talk about the last of the last days the Bible is very clear in 2^nd Timothy chapter 3 in verse 1 where it talks about…

Sid: I’ll tell you what when we come back from the break I want to pick up right there because most believers I know realize we are in the last of the last days and I want you to explain that from the Greek. And everyone wants to understand this as best as they can. And that’s why we asked you to put together a 4 CD series called “Prophetic End Time Alert” in which you teach with your amazing gift of teaching and understanding the Greek. I mean you even told me for most of your life you were you really didn’t care about the rapture you believed in it but you felt that’s not something you can really know in this life but recently God has shown you from the Greek that you are 100% convinced of the pre-trib rapture. And you say and I agree it’s about ready to happen! But your book “Dressed to Kill” it says “You don’t have to take it anymore because your dressed to kill. A biblical approach to spiritual warfare and armor now most people say “Well biblical approach to warfare I don’t want that.” What would you say to them?

Rick: I would just say you’re going to just have the fight of your life if you don’t learn how to put on this… this armor this armor is designed to help you so that you can stand against the wiles of the devil. And whether you like it or not you’re going to have a conflict with the devil at some point in your life and you can either be prepared for it or you can be unprepared for it.

Sid: My understanding is that if you’re right and I’m right then the return of the Messiah is eminent everything intensifies.

Rick: And it’s a time for people to know how to put on the whole armor of God.

Sid: Now have you had many people give you feedback of the difference it made in their life by reading this book.

Rick: Ah Sid there have been 100’s of 1000’s of people that bought this book it’s in multiple languages around the world. And people have used it in Bible schools, in study groups, it is. Well I’ll just tell you Kenneth Hagen said that “It should be the classic on spiritual warfare” and laid it on his pulpit and taught from it word by word. And…

Sid: I can understand why he or anyone would do that. I can’t understand anyone that hasn’t read this book because he we are in the last of the last days, things are not getting better people take a look open your eyes. And the devil knows his time is short and I’m going to tell you something if you will prepare yourself all the devil can do is blow air at you. I’m telling you, you don’t have to take it anymore because when you are dressed in the armor of God and Rick you have marvelous full color illustrations of what Paul observed while he was in prison what that armor looked like most Christians don’t have a clue what it looked like. But more important than that from the Greek how to really put that armor on and stand when you’ve done everything else stand as you just explained as a vessel filled with the power of God. And devil you watch out when we come back I want to hear a bit about your understanding of end times.

Sid: Today there’s going to be a change a decided change in your destiny. I have on the telephone Dr. John Miller he’s a Chiropractor from Tampa, Florida but for the past 20 years he’s studied communion and the healing that’s in communion, the full understanding of the atonement of communion. And as he teaches this and as people participate in communion it radically changes their life and they do it daily sometimes more than once a day. Now John kind of just whet the appetite tell me about one miracle you’ve seen from people that take communion.

John: Okay this was a very interesting one because we had talked in these previous programs about taking communion daily and saw how the New Testament church did it daily. Jesus said “As oft as you take this.” He didn’t prescribe a time; I had a case that was sent to me her father is a great international evangelist and the girl was dying of Epstein Bar which is a virus that’s half way into Mononucleosis and Aides. It’s a condition that you never get rid of and when your rundown physically or mentally it crops up and usually puts the person down for a couple of days to a couple of weeks in bed. Now this was the worst case that I’d ever heard of because 39% of her heart and liver had been destroyed with the virus. Her dad called me and asked me if there was anything that I could do? And I said “Yeah there are some things in my practice that I could use but is she a Christian?” And he laughed and he said “She’s a Children’s Evangelist in a children’s diagnostic hospital.” And I said “Well, there’s a way that she can be healed without any treatment from me through communion.” And he said “Well I’ve been a preacher for like 60 years and I’ve never heard of that.” He said “Do you mind if I come down her?” So I went out and bought some wine and unleavened bread. When they came to the office we just went out to eat and I explained to her communion. Now she went took it 3 times a day because she said “Well, I’ve been taking the medicine for this condition 3 times a day.” So she listened to a cassette tape of me teaching communion and she took communion 3 times a day. The second week her father called me and said that “The doctors in that hospital where she worked were coming down to her office saying ‘What did that doctor in Florida do because you’re tests are coming back normal and this is an incurable disease?’” So working with this patient I learned that communion wasn’t just once a day if you wanted it more than that she felt that she needed that coming in her mind and her spirit 3 times a day, and she got fabulous results. I remember…

Sid: What’s the bottom line what happened to her?

John: She was healed from that condition.

Sid: John Mishpochah we’re going to take communion together John would you lead in that right now.

John: If you take the bread I want you to remember Paul’s words “Not discerning the Lord’s body for this cause many of you are weak, some sickly among you and some sleep.” As you hold that bread for the first time maybe in your life I want you to connect with that represents the Body of Christ that was made to be sick with your sicknesses. Father in the name of Jesus we thank You for so much for the knowledge of the atonement of what You provided through the body and the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. We thank You now that we have the element we hold in our hand that represents the body of Jesus Christ. I ask that you sanctify this bread as the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ that took our sins, took our cares our worries our sicknesses, our diseases in His body at Calvary. Father as we walk into the tomb where Jesus is lying all wrapped would look somewhat like a mummy we look at His dead body there’s no active sin in it, sin is not encamped in a dead body Jesus has taken our sins and done away with it paid the price. There’s no anxiety in that body, there’s no fear, no nervousness in a dead body, all of our anxieties our fears, our worries, our cares were casted on Him. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him and it no longer exists. He was made to be sick without sicknesses but in a dead body there is no sickness it has been totally done away with. So as we partake of this body of the Lord Jesus Christ that we’re holding we receive total healing in every organ, in every cell and every function in our body. We give you the praise and the honor for it in Jesus Name.

Sid: And Jesus prayed the prayer this way “Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu Melech halolam hamotzi lechhem meen haretz. Amen.” You may partake. Oh there’s such a presence of God that’s moving on people right now John let’s take the wine.

John: I want you hold the wine up to the Lord Father we thank You so much that You loved us so much that you were willing to give Your son for our total salvation. Lord Jesus we thank You that You were willing to come to earth striped of our Deity take the persecution, our sin, our shame, every evil thing in us You took and You shed Your blood to make us righteous. And right now Father we asked that you sanctify the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ as the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. The blood that sealed every part of the atonement, the spiritual, the mental and the physical; Lord let us realize right now that the blood that we hold in our hand is the most powerful substance in the Universe. It’s more powerful than all of the nuclear and all of the atomic bomb that’s ever gone off because all that can do is destroy life. In the blood that we hold in our hand right now is the only thing that created life eternally. And right now we take the blood of the Lord Jesus in and we give You Heavenly Father and You Lord Jesus all of the glory and honor do You in Jesus Name.

Sid: And Yeshua prayed this Hebrew prayer He actually prayed this at the last Passover Seder. “Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu Melech halolam bo-ray puree hagafin. Amen.” You may partake. John when you partake of communion once, twice, maybe even three times a day, after you have finished what do you normally do?

John: That’s the time that I like to do spiritual warfare. There’s no place that demonic sources that where the blood of Jesus is being sprinkled. I think that’s the appropriate time to do what Paul says in Ephesians 6 “We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and against principalities of this world and the wicked spirits in heavenly places.” I like to speak to the devil with the blood of Jesus on my breath.

Sid: Ah I love that!

John: I was a bouncer for 2 nightclubs in St. Louis called “Gas Light Square Section” when I was going to college. And it was your job to put the people out that was causing problem without hurting them so that there was no liability. And those big guys with liquor on their breath with hit you in the chest and knock you back. And their breath was very intimidating, so I just can imagine how intimidating it is to the devil to have the blood of Jesus on your breath when you bind him and command him to desist in any activity against you and your family. I think spiritual warfare and communion are the perfect team.

Sid: With all of the fear Mishpochah that’s going on in society today I don’t know of a better time than for the true revelation of communion to get deep into your spirit…

Sid: Now my guest Larry Randolph is a prophet; he’s been a gift previously on Messianic Vision. And when you were on television with us Larry you stated a prophecy that then came to past. Do you remember the prophecy and tell us what it was.

Larry:   I do Sid it was 2008 I believe it was on your program and the Lord had given me a string of insight into what was happening. And one of the things that was interesting was He showed me that a young man that was famous in Hollywood was going to die shortly and I believe that it was a month or two after the show aired that this young man which was Keith Lecher I believe was his name. And that was the one I think you’re making a reference to.

Sid: Yeah and they reminded me after you were on the air but I want to find out more about you. Your father was a prophetic Pastor; your great-uncle had quite a ministry; tell me about him.

Larry: Uncle Newton was his name; my grandfather’s brother, a great uncle. He was born blind; he was blind from birth and never saw the light of day but he had an incredible healing ministry from what I heard from my family. People would come to his little house in the late 1800’s, early 1900’s and they would be…cripples and blinds. He had a really gift for opening blind eyes and he would being blind and never saw in his life. And he also had an amazing anointing for praying for people out of wheelchairs; so the house was filled with crutches and wheelchairs and people gave testimony to that. And my Dad sort of picked that gifting up and he too had a very very strong healing ministry; however it was accompanied by really great prophectic gift so I grew up in that environment. And I must say I caught more of the prophetic maybe than some of the miraculous; although I’ve seen a lot of that. Although the prophetic seems to be was transferred down through the spiritual DNA of my life.

Sid: Now I don’t want to get too far ahead of ourselves but I’m just kind of curious “When did you realize that you were walking in that same prophetic gifting as your great-uncle and as your father?

Larry: You know I don’t think that there’s every bee a time that I didn’t know it; it’s like I was born in that culture; I was born in that environment. We were very small church; my dad pastored this very very small church in the backwoods of Arkansas. And I was born in 1950 and by the time that it was ’53 or ’54 I was 4 years old I was already playing instruments in church and testifying and preaching. Going to the jail services with my dad and praying for people, going to nursing homes prophecying praying over people; that’s what Dad did so I did that with him. So Sid I thought it was normal; I thought everybody did. I thought the Baptist did it; I thought the Methodist did it. I’d never been anywhere but our little church; I thought everybody did that. So it was a shock to me to find out that it was kind of unusual. So it was very familiar to me and it just seemed to be something that was living; like a living spirit that was in our family that I picked up on. And I remember one of my first strong prophetic words was at 4 or 5 years old; I would get up in the morning to go out and gather eggs because we lived on the eggs that our hens laid. And the Lord spoke to my heart; it was an impression in my heart of how many eggs I would find and I believe that it was either 7 or 8 it’s hard to remember that long. But it was exactly the number the Lord showed me and I thought “Wow, I got this gift too.

Sid: Now it sounds to me with a gift like that; a father in ministry that you wouldn’t have had such a bad image of yourself. How’d that happen?

Larry:   It probably happened because of a number of things. My father had a 3^rd grade education because during the depression he had to leave school and go to work on a peanut farm with his father and my mother had a 7^th grade education; so I was born into a very uneducated class in Arkansas; backwoods. We were born in object poverty, the house that we lived in was built out of scape lumber and in the 40’s you could see the air outside; there was no in door heating other than one little stove, there was no indoor plumbing; there was no indoor water. And so not only that we were considered holy rollers at the time. (Laughing) we were called Independent Pentecostals and so because of that it was just kind of sense of not being worth anything. So I had a self worth was very low; bad self esteem, low self-image. I was an inter-vert. Then when I was in church I knew had to preach a little and play mandolin and sing and do a little prophetic but that was because I was safe in that environment.

Sid: So why at age 13 did you run away from home; that’s pretty young.

Larry:   Well, a couple of things, my life was so I was having panic attacks, anxiety attacks when I was 5 or 6 years old. And at 6 years old I discovered that I had rheumatic fever which is a heart murmer so I for nearly 10 years I took penecillin 10,000 units a day for that. So the time that I was 13 I added it all up in my mind; man this is not working out. Here I am rejection; poor and impoverished, I feel isolated, I didn’t have a friend in the world, I couldn’t talk to people, I was insecure, my grades at school were terrible, I had rheumatic fever, a heart murmur, we were poor. I thought I don’t want to be a part; I don’t want to serve this God; I don’t want to serve the God that my father’s serving. Although I loved God I just said “Something is different and so I think I’m going to be a rock star. And so that’s what I did; I left the church at 13 and begin to play night clubs for 7 years every night for 7 years to pursue what my life said, you know I was a legend in my own mind. So…(Laughing)

Sid: Were you good though?

Larry:   I was very good and then after that I was a professional musician and when I came back the Lord at 20 years old with the Jesus movement I started playing guitar with a guy named Russel Taft who people would probably know his name. He’s a Dove Award. We had the first probably that I know of the first rock gospel group in the south back in the early 1970 or 71. I don’t know the exact years but somewhere in that ballpark. And was very rejected there; no church would have us you know; and of course it’s common to have an upbeat more modern music but it wasn’t then. So that was that, and the I let go of that because of a dream of the Lord and a visitation about ministry and about the prophetic He wanted to bring me into.

Sid: Tell me about that in more detail.

Larry: Well, I had two things, the dream or the …the dream and then there was a visitation from Jesus Himself that followed. I have to be brief, the dream was that I was traveling; in this dream I was traveling across a bridge with all of the guys in my band. It wasn’t my band, it was Russ’s band and I just played guitar; I had just gotten redecated and to the Lord so we were playing in churches again; we were playing rock gospel; it was sort of ahead of the curb. But anyway the Spirit of God was strong on us for youth and evangelism and we was traveling and we were going to Nashville to cut our first album. I had already taken a picture for the album and in the dream the Lord stopped me and I stopped and they went across the bridge and I saw them fade away in the darkness. And I said “Oh Lord, what’s going to happened to me.” And I looked to the heavens and I looked where the big dipper was and there was 2 big dippers; instead of 1 there was together and they began to pour out upon my head. And there was this oil in the dippers in this vision dream-vision down upon my head. And the 2 dippers were 2 distinct ministries; I knew that at the time and then it became 1 steam on the top of my head. And I woke up out of that dream sweating but with the Spirit of the Lord all over the room and had to tell them I know longer can be a musician you know even for the Lord I’m called to other things.

Sid: Now what were the 2 things you saw that you are supposed to be doing?

Larry:   You know what, it took me awhile to figure out what they are because what I did I watched my life to find out what the 2 prominent giftings were one stream and they were prophectic, and teaching a prophet and teacher. I thought it was pastoring at first because I love people and I want to pastor but when I went out to minister people never called me back, I was a great pastor; they called me back because of revelation I had. Either word or revelation about things that are coming to pass in the prophetic. So it became apparent to me that the revelatory gift in my life was in one stream and the area of prophecying and words of knowledge as well as unveiling revelation in the scripture and that became clear to me by the time that I was 25 that that was my path. And that’s what I’ve been doing other then pastoring 10 years in my life; which was a good experience but wasn’t my primary calling. My primary calling as you said came right after that dream or had a visitation from the Lord, not a vision, but literally I was wide awake and the Lord came to me and stood before me and talked to me.

Sid: Well, let’s find out more about that on tomorrow’s broadcast but I also want to here many of the things that he’s prophecied that’s come to past. And I also want to know the prophecies that he sees that have not come to pass yet. But your book “Original Breath” it’s the newest book that you have and the 2 CD’s set “Breath of Heaven.” You talk about an area that…and I guess it has a lot to do with your calling but it has a lot to do with the way that you were raised as a child that you had such a negative image of yourself. But most people they don’t realize it but their copies and they are not originals; speak to that for a minute because that’s what your book that you have and the CD’s set are all about.

Larry: Well, they don’t realize the —- giftings and potentials that they have inside of them that God has given them because they’re so blinded by their own upbringing that might have been bad or some bad perspectives of self in the book. And the CD series is alerting to the fact that they are an original and that God breathed an original impartation into their life and no one else owns. They own a piece of God’s breath like Adam owned that no one else owns and they just haven’t discovered it yet.

Sid: So why do people copy everyone else rather than be the original that God created them to be?

Larry: I think its, again I think it’s insecurity because here’s one of the things that the Lord said to me many years ago. “There’s some things you have to be.” And I guess that just goes back to visitation when Jesus talked to me but afterwards He said “You have to be real, you have to be genuine and you have to be as humble as you know how to be; and you have to be authentic because the anointing is attracted to authenticity.” I realized that true anointing comes out of authenticity. He said “You know because He says that when I go to heaven Jesus is not going to ask me “How come I wasn’t Moses, he’s not going to ask me “How come I wasn’t Billy Graphm; He’s going to say “How come you weren’t Larry, how come you didn’t…

Sid: Larry, I’m sorry we’re out of time right now, but I want to tell you something Larry is prophesying another outpouring of the Holy Spirit greater tha Pentecost that is coming to the US, He talks about it; how to prepare for it and how to be the person God’s called you to be rather than a copy. Isn’t it time your authentic.

Sid: Well my guest is red hot for the Messiah. You’d be red hot for the Messiah always if you always saw miracles. Now my guest says he always sees miracles when he does 3 things. Kynan Bridges what are those 3 things?

Kynan: The first thing that must be present if you want to consistently see the miraculous especially those that are in ministry or even if you’re not in ministry where ever you are is proclaim the kingdom. You know the kingdom of God is one of the most important and powerful forces in the earth realm. I mean there is nothing more powerful than God’s kingdom. The kingdom of God is the government of God, the rule of God and the domain of God. So when we proclaim the Kingdom and Jesus Yeshua as King it automatically manifests a culture of the miraculous. The second thing that you must do is develop an atmosphere, or cultivate an atmosphere of the Holy Spirit. You know a lot of time when I’m ministering to people I’m in a place where there’s a need for healing for example I was in a Healing School and we were conducting one and there were 1000’s of people present. I’m preaching and it was like I was hitting a brick wall and the Holy Spirit began to direct me. I began to shift the focus away from trying to see the healings to really making room for the Holy Ghost. And He began to give me words of knowledge, words of wisdom. And all of a sudden the Holy Spirit turned my attention to the strongman in the room, the strongman was unforgiveness. And as I began to address unforgiveness healings began to breakout automatically. So we have to have a culture or an atmosphere of the Holy Spirit in our churches, in our churches, in our synagogues, wherever we are. We have to learn to develop a culture of the Holy Spirit. Number 3 Sid you have to be determined. You know this is not for the faint at heart. The Bible says that “The kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force.” Some translations say “Press into it.” So we have to be violent emissaries not in the physical realms but in the spiritual realms of the kingdom. You know 2^nd Corinthians 10 says “The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.” That word picture is literally demolishing, to tear down. That is not something that happens if you just say “I tried it and it didn’t work, I laid hands on that person and they didn’t get healed, I prayed for that sickness to go and it didn’t happen.” You have to be determined, you have to not relent until you see breakthrough.

Sid: Now what do you mean by cultivating an atmosphere of the Holy Spirit? Explain that.

Kynan: What I’m talking about is presence, remember the Bible says in Genesis chapter 1 it says “That in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void. And darkness was over the face of the deep and the Spirit of God hovered, or brooded, over the face of the waters.” And it said it said “God said let there be light.” Now there is a spiritual principal, it’s called the law first principal. We see something in the scripture first and it’s really a precedence throughout the scriptures. And what that precedence is that before there can ever be miraculous manifestation there must be the presence of God. We have to learn how to recognize, invite and invoke God’s presence everywhere we go. We do that by becoming sensitive to the Holy Spirit. We have to be intimate with the Holy Spirit. We have to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit because He is the One that is going to facilitate healings and miracles. So if we want to see them more we have to create… it’s almost like a greenhouse Sid. It’s almost like setting a thermostat to the right temperature so that the atmosphere is conducive for miracles. I don’t know if that makes sense.

Sid: Not only does it make sense while you were speaking that’s what was happening. The whole atmosphere is filled with the presence of the Living God. Which means that if you proclaim healing right now Kynan I believe people are going to be healed. Would you do that?

Kynan: In fact, there’s someone listening right now and they’ve been having a problem with cataracts, I feel the anointing all over me. Cataracts are literally being supernaturally healed. There’s someone whose had a problem with their back, their lower back, and the Holy Spirit is fusing the bones together in the lower back and the pain is leaving right now by the power of the Lord Jesus. There’s another person that has had diabetes and they don’t believe that they can ever get healed of that. But there’s enough anointing presence right now if you will just stretch your hands right where you are the Lord’s even changing. He’s giving you a brand new pancreas by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sid: Well I’ll tell you what I see people with metal in their hips and even anywhere in their body I see it turning to bone. If you would step into that presence of the Holy spirit, I command the metal to turn to bone in Jesus name. Arthritis in the fingers, it’s gone in Jesus’ name. Kynan, I am so concerned about Christians that are ignorant to the fact that demons cause a lot of sickness and therefore you have to get after that demon for the person to have the healing. For instance, what’s your experience with cancer?

Kynan: Well I believe as many, many people who have written literature on the subject like the late Smith Wigglesworth; I believe that cancer is a demonic spirit. Now let me clarify something because this is how the devil works when a person hears that they think “Well are you saying that I’m demonic?” No, no I said cancer is a demon; you are not your cancer. And that’s the first thing that has to happen for the person to be healed. They must divorce themselves from their sickness and no longer own that sickness any more. So I believe that when people understand by the discernment of spirits that what they’re dealing with is a demonic spirit. Like cancer, I have seen… the Lord showed me by revelation that cancer is the spirit of death. It is a manifestation of the spirit of death and many people are praying “Lord heal my cancer, heal my cancer.” Instead of saying “Lord I rebuke this demon spirit, that’s trying to take my life.” Until you understand the nature of what you’re dealing with you can’t properly address it. So I believe that cancer Sid is actually a demonic spirit.

Sid: And I believe that people are going to be set free from cancer right now as you pray for them just the way you explained.

Kynan: Father, in the name of Jesus I curse the Spirit of cancer, I come against bone marrow cancer, I come against leukemia, Hodgkin’s lymphoma, melanoma, brain cancer. I come against cancer of the ovaries, the cervix, colon cancer and any other form of cancer Lord. Right now I curse it by the roots just like Jesus cursed the fig tree and I command that cancer cell and the production of cancer cell to be die right now. And I speak life to those healthy cells and command them to come forth. That the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made them free from the law of sin and death, therefore cancer must leave their mortal bodies right now, in the name of Yeshua.

Sid: And I pray that any damage done is totally healed with the healing virtue, in the name and the power and the majesty of Yeshua the Messiah of Israel. Kynan, share with me briefly one testimony of someone where you cast the spirit out, the demon out and they got healed.

Kynan: Well there are many (Laughing), but for example there was a lady who had been having ear infections, chronic ear infections for years. She’s an adult, she has children but I mean debilitating ear infections where she would have to go to the hospital and have fluid in her ear. So one day she came to one of our meetings and I simply cast out the spirit of infirmity. You remember Jesus prayed for the woman that was bowed over for 18 years and He said “Woman, thou are loosed from your infirmity.” He never prayed for her healing, He loosed the infirmity that had her bound. And so I prayed over this woman and I said “I release that infirmity from your body.” Sid she has never had a single ear infection since then.

Sid: Hmm, and if you had prayed for just a healing I don’t believe that she would have been healed.

Kynan: You know can I say this I just feel the Holy Spirit to say this? Notice when I shared the vision of the Lord Jesus that I had. One of the things that was so important was love and compassion. You see at the core, at the core of Jesus’ ministry and His healing of the sick was a heart of compassion. And there’s someone listening right now Sid that has been bound with bitterness, resentment, rejection. And that thing has literally been clogging the flow of God’s miraculous healing in their lives. And I just want to release the love of God over you because God wants everyone to know that’s listening that He loves them. In fact every act of healing that ever will be and ever has been has been a manifestation of God’s great love for us. Thank you Lord.

Sid: Mishpochah is a Hebrew word it means family and we’re the Mishpochah the family with a Jewish heart made up with Jewish and non-Jewish people. Why? Because the middle wall of separation has come down and these 2 have become something greater than it’s parts we’ve become what Paul calls the one new man the Body of Messiah. Why, because we are about ready to see the glory come to the church. We’re about ready to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. I tell you heaven is closer to earth at this moment than at any other time in history. And the Messiah has come to set the captives free, to open the prison doors but there are some areas in your life of compulsive habits, of smoke symptoms if you will of what’s really going on in your soul that you have buried so deep that you’re not really aware of it. And if you’re not free how can you set other people free and God is having you listen this week to get the tools from Craig Hill Founder of Family Foundations… Craig we were talking yesterday about how shame goes from generation to generation.

Craig: Right.

Sid: And you had a case with your own son he said a bad word, the teacher told you about it you turned all different shades of color you were embarrassed, you wanted to show her you were a man of God and you know how to discipline your son right in front of her. You were headed towards your son and you were arrested by the Holy Spirit what happened?

Craig: Yeah He stopped me right there Sid and He said “What are you doing?” And I said “I’m going to discipline my son.” And the Lord said “No, you’re not your going to shame him.” And I said “What do you mean Lord?” And He said “You’re going to connect his value to his works and you’re going to make him feel he’s worthless because of what he did.” And the Lord said “That’s not my attitude toward him he does need to be disciplined but he’s not worthless.” And the Lord said “The reason you’re doing that is because you feel so worthless on the inside as a Pastor and as a father.” And the Lord said “That is shame” and the Lord said “You’re going to have to deal with your own shame before you’re even qualified to be able to minister properly to your son.” And you know it took me an hour at home of allowing the Lord to open that up to me expose to me that feeling, that deep feeling on the inside of worthlessness, the lie that the enemy had put on the inside that because your son sad a bad word you’re a worthless father, you’re a worthless pastor, you have no value.” And the Lord said “That’s a lie and it’s deep rooted emotionally within you. The truth is I love you you’re my son; and you’re value doesn’t float up and down based on the behavior of a 4 year old.” And once I got a revelation on that on an emotional level and the Lord really spoke truth to me it set me free.” Which is what Jesus said of course in John chapter 8 verse :32 “You’ll know the truth and the truth will set you free.” And then when I was free inside then I was able to minister to my son and to share with him that was a bad word and that he did need some discipline he needed a spanking, he needed some correction. But he didn’t need me to make him feel worthless because he did that he needed me to let him know that I still loved him, that God loved him, that his destiny did not change, his value had not changed, but there was correction and discipline coming because of what he had done wrong. And I was able to do that and I know that that was an experience that sowed life into him rather than death, it sowed honor and glory into him rather than shame which was what the devil intention is.

Sid: You maintained that actually the opposite of shame is glory, what do you mean?

Craig: I really think that’s true. It says in Hebrews chapter 2 verse 7 speaking of man “Thou has made him a little lower than the angels, Thou has crowned him with glory and honor.” God intended for us to experience the feeling of honor and glory, glory of course is a feeling of great value. Shame is the opposite of feeling of great value it’s a feeling of worthlessness of having no value. So as we were talking you were talking just at the beginning of this broadcast that God is just about to pour out His glory upon this earth. Which is experiencing small measures of it, little tastes of it but there’s intense glory that’s coming that’s the intensity of the value of who God is and the value of who we are and what He paid for us by the blood of Messiah.

Sid: You know in your tape series you identify areas of shame that are actually hidden to many believers could you tell us a few.

Craig: Well so many times we don’t recognize that same really is the root of a lot of compulsive behavior, we don’t realize that we’re shaming other people when we’re connecting their value to their works. And so some of the areas that shame is imparted, well maybe I can share a little bit some of how shame get’s imparted because as you just alluded to it’s a hidden type of thing. Many times we’re shaming people around us, shaming people in our own family as a result of our own shame and don’t know it. I identified in the tapes 7 rules as it were in a shame based home. In other words, if you do these things this will identify shame. Many times people don’t realize it. Really if we start with rule number 0.

• Rule Number 0 is “There is a rule maker and the rule maker is always right.” In other words “I’m the father around here everybody does as I say.” Or maybe the grandmother or mother could be anybody.

But rule

• Number 1 is: “Always remain in control of all behavior, all feelings and circumstances.
• Rule Number 2: Better do everything right, always be right.
• Rule Number 3: is an interesting one when rules 1 and 2 fail and things do get out of control blame somebody. In other words never take responsibility if anything that doesn’t work blame somebody else in your life for things that don’t work.
• Rule Number 4: Deny everybody in the family any expression of personhood. In other words nobody gets to share feelings, thoughts, needs, desires, hopes, dreams. If you share any of those kind of things in a shame based family you’ll be ridiculed and told “You’re stupid, you’re foolish, you shouldn’t even think those things.”
• Rule Number 5: Always hide and maintain secrecy with anything that’s wrong. In other words we establish a vast appearance management system so that we make everything look okay on the outside even when things are not okay. And by doing that again we just retain all of the shame on the inside and continue to shame everybody else.

Sid: Would you say that someone that has to control every circumstance behind that is shame.

Craig: Always, always behind all of control is shame.

Sid: Could that have infected even the church from the pastor down?

Craig: You know what I think it does infest a lot of churches that where there’s a deep fear even on the inside of the pastor of things being out of control, things not working the way he wants…

Sid: So what happens if God wants to do something that Pastor has never seen before he’ll cut it off before it has a chance to manifest and show the fruit.

Craig: Absolutely, out of the deep seated fear on the inside that something might get out of control and that really is a manifestation and a symptom of shame needing to control everything to make sure everybody does things right, that everybody does what I want them to do. Because when shame is deep in the heart shame says “When something gets out of control that’s how I can get blamed, that’s how I can get hurt, that’s how somebody can make me feel worthless.” And so the way that I can keep everything in tact and I keep myself valuable is I just make sure I control everything and then nobody ever does anything that they’re not supposed to.

Sid: Let’s go back very briefly to your book “Bondage Broken.” You point out something that when you’re soul is out of peace and you don’t even know it you medicate it through watching television, through gossiping, through lying, through exaggerating, through criticizing, through addictions, through overeating, through sexual perversions. Explain that briefly.

Craig: Again the concept is simply this – those external things that we do we struggle with anger or impure thoughts or all of those things that you mentioned are really external symptoms they’re like smoke. They’re always emanating from a fire because the soul is out of peace. So when the mind, will and emotions are out of peace the flesh engages to try to bring a false comfort a false…

Sid: Even though your mind doesn’t know that your soul is out of peace your still by that smoke that’s the only way sometimes you can tell.

Craig: The way that you can tell is the external symptom of seeing the smoke observing that hey this is going on and again it’s not there for no reason it has a reason it has a reason. And beneath that soul being out of peace there’s always a deep rooted fear of some sort, that I’m not valuable. And again shame is really a type of fear, shame is a feeling I’m worthless, I’m of no value. And when that is working on the inside then people are going to do something that provided comfort. And again all we usually tell people to do is to try harder, pray more, read the word more all of which are good things, but they won’t set a person free. What a person needs in order to really be free is to interact with the Lord Jesus Christ allow Him really to identify the fuel from which that fire is emanating…

SID: Barbara, you learned about this breaker anointing at a congregation you went to. You would call the pastor Mother Neil. It wasn’t so popular for a woman to be a pastor back then.

BARBARA: No. She broke through to an amazing revival, latter rain revival, and had a congregation of 3500 people. And that’s where God took me once I got saved, to train me. And I sat under that anointing. God knew what He wanted to release in me.

SID: When was the first time you could remember seeing how the breaker anointing operated with her?

BARBARA: It was probably in about 1971. When I first went there, because she was a woman, I wouldn’t go to the service.

SID: But you’re a woman.

BARBARA: I know. And I was a feminist but I didn’t think a woman should be in the pulpit. So I would only go in the evening when her son spoke. But when I finally got up the nerve to go in the morning, she would just move powerfully, never talk longer than 15 minutes, 20 minutes was a long message. But 450 alcoholics got delivered. This one man, I’ll never forget him, powerful, he’d lay hands on people and God would just work miracles. But he had been a hopeless alcoholic who sold his baby’s shoes just to get money to buy a bottle of alcohol, liquor to drink. And it was man after man like that, mostly men who were just marvelously, miraculously delivered just like that. They didn’t go through 12-step.

SID: Did you say 450?

BARBARA: Over 450.

SID: But you were telling me that like when an oppression would try to come into the congregation, what would she do?

BARBARA: She was amazing. She was in a wheelchair by this time. She’s in her later years. She would have somebody roll her up to the platform. You could feel a visible oppression and she would just take her right arm, I remember this so well, and she would just lift it up in the air, and as she lifted it up in the air she’d let out this “haroosh!” And it’s like you could feel every oppression. You can feel every constriction. You could feel everything that kept people in captivity leave the room and it was like a cool, fresh breeze of just the peace of God invaded that room when she would do that. I mean, it was amazing. I’ve practiced since then, “haroosh.”

SID: I’m going to have you pray that at the end of the show.

BARBARA: It was amazing.

SID: But tell me about yourself when you need the breakers to show up for physical healing for yourself.

BARBARA: A remarkable one was my husband died in 1999, in February. And in July of that year, I developed, I woke up that morning with excruciating pain in my back. I couldn’t even move and I was like paralyzed in position, not because of the paralysis, but because of the pain. Found out there was a hole in my spine, in my vertebrae. The spinal cord was bulging out. And after five days of this I said, I can’t take it. And I knew at that point, I taught in the medical school so I understood what was going on. And I said, I understand why people want to commit suicide with pain. And so I said, okay, I’ve got to do something immediately. I had a medical diagnosis. They wanted to do surgery, but I couldn’t take the pain. So I drove to the office and told my staff if they knew God then they could lay hands on me and make this go away. And I said, if they didn’t know God well enough to lay their hands on my back and make that pain go away I’d fire them all. And I said, either Jesus the healer is in you or he’s not in you. That’s how desperate I was. And do you know, Sid, they prayed for me. It might have been half an hour. But do you know that I was totally healed.

SID: That’s the breaker.

BARBARA: That was the breaker. That was the breaker.

SID: Okay. In the last 18 months, you have seen more miracles than in your entire ministry of walking with the Lord.

BARBARA: Absolutely.

SID: How many years have you known the Lord?

BARBARA: I became a believer in ’69.

SID: Okay. Why are you seeing more miracles now? What’s going on?

BARBARA: Well I got tricked. I got tricked. That’s how I got into it. Well two prophets came and one said that, it was very specific, the next one was even more specific, and said, “You are going to Lake Michigan and you’re going to begin to hold healing services, healing and deliverance services, and people are going get miraculously healed.” And I thought, oh brother, that’s pretty specific. And he said, “You’re going to do it now.” I thought, now? And you know, I had seen a miracle here, a miracle there. I had even seen somebody, I had one marvelous cancer healing in all my years of ministry. And so but I had to believe the prophet. Either I believed him and would prosper or I’d let that analytical mind take over. So I just did it. And I happened to go over to a church. A pastor was in very bad shape. They had given him three years—three weeks, not three years—three weeks to live. And I thought, oh brother, what am I going to do. I remember when my husband was dying, we were pastoring. I thought, I got to get the congregation calmed down, all of that. And on the way over to preach for him that Sunday, I said, “I’ll do anything you want me to do.” He said, “I want you to preach.” And the Lord said, “I want you to hold a healing service.” I thought, a healing service? He’s dying of cancer. I thought, then I’m going to have to do something about this cancer. And then I was hoping, he was so sick he wouldn’t be able to come to the service.

SID: You think you’re the only one who thinks like this.

BARBARA: I mean, I’m just telling you the truth, yeah. So I thought, he’s so sick, three weeks. He had a stomach tube in. He couldn’t eat, had lost weight. It had now spread to his lungs and the guy had the nerve to show up in the Sunday morning service. I know it was his church, but believe me, it was one time I wished the person was sicker than they were. So he showed up in the service and I thought, God, what am I supposed to do with this guy? I’m teaching on healing. So at the very end I finished my teaching and went into healing the sick. I didn’t know what to tell him. It was so serious I knew I needed to hear from God. The only thing I heard, Sid, this is incredible, he couldn’t even walk as fast as a turtle. That’s how sick he was. So I just looked at him and I said, “Larry, run. Run around the church.” And he got up.

SID: Slow motion.

BARBARA: Slower than a turtle he walked. He couldn’t run. So then he got around to the first corner in the front of the church and he began to run. Well running was going as fast as a turtle. And so he did three circles around the church, the speed of a turtle. That was what running was to him. That’s all he could do. Somehow, he developed strength. He asked me to stay on. We had lunch together. They asked me back. Their church was one mile from Lake Michigan. And I had that prophetic word about go to Lake Michigan. I was in his office. He said, “Would you come back and do healing services in the fall.” And in the meantime, I notice this was February, the end of February, back in 2011. And by May of that year, he was jogging. I noticed him on Facebook. I was checking up on him on Facebook. He was jogging a mile. He has never gone back to the doctor. He says, “I won’t go back. I don’t want to hear any bad news. I am healed.”

SID: When Barbara teaches about the breaker anointing the revelation hits us. When the revelation hits us the breaker manifests themselves. Teach about the Hebrew word “parats”.

BARBARA: The word “parats” means to break out, to break through, to increase, to advance. It always implies increase and going from a confined space to an enlarged space. So it can have to do with the anointing on your life and increase it. It can have to do with finances. It can have to do with emotional wholeness or physical wholeness and increase.

SID: Give me an example of someone that broke through that sat under your teaching.

BARBARA: I can tell you about this guy just this last year who had hepatitis C and he had a liver transplant. And the liver transplant, he had it for 10 years, it failed. And he was going to have to have a new liver transplant and I prayed for him, and didn’t even know. He just said, pray for me. He wanted to keep everything confidential. So I didn’t even know what I was praying for. I just prayed for him. He went to the University of Chicago and the doctors were getting ready to do the prep for the new liver transplant, and they noticed the liver was functioning fine. He didn’t even know it had been healed. And then, so then they tested him for hepatitis C because hepatitis C never goes away, and they couldn’t find the hepatitis C. Well they didn’t believe it. They thought the blood had gotten mixed up. And so they drew it again and it still came back negative for hepatitis C. So they were really puzzled and they were sure he had hepatitis C. They did it a third time. Well after the third one came back negative, they finally said, he now has a normal liver and no hepatitis C.

SID: Now that’s the way it’s supposed to be. Barbara has seen that not only is she walking in a greater anointing of the miraculous, but it’s God’s will for you to be walking in a greater anointing of the miraculous. And I’m going to believe that when she prays for the breaker to manifest himself in your life that doors that have been shut are going to open in every arena of your life, in healing, having to do with salvation of loved ones, having to do with your family, having to do with your income. We’ll be right back.

Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah of the greatest revolution, the greatest revival, the greatest move of God’s Spirit on planet earth.  And I have in my hands a new book it’s a hardback by George Barna. Many of you are probably familiar with him he’s the founder and directing leader of the Barna Group a research and resource firm whose clients have ranged from such ministries as the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Focus on the Family, to corporations such as Ford, Walt Disney, US Navy, US Army.  And the thing that intrigued me is although George has written 35 books he writes them because of the research that he does through polling principals and the understanding of the scripture, and the prophetic edge he has. What he predicts come to pass because of all of these ingredients and one of his books, which he wrote back in 1990 “The Frog in the Kettle” more than 90% of the predicted outcomes became reality.  And I have in my hand his book “Revolution.”  And let me read from the back of the book “Millions of believer’s have moved beyond the established church and chosen to be the church instead.”  That almost doesn’t make sense George, what do you mean by that?

George: Well, what we have are many, many people that are so committed to their relationship with God that they’re saying “I cannot let anything stand in the way of me having an ever growing relationship with Him.”  And as they have assessed their life and everything taking place within it many of them have realized that while they have counted on their local church to be the place that facilitates the development of that relationship they now realize that actually that body is not really helping then.  And so they have said “You know what I can’t stand before a holy and righteous God after I die and say to Him “Well, don’t blame me it was my churches fault.”  We’re responsible for what takes place in our spiritual development and so if we can work with the church productively that’s a great thing and certainly we want to invest in it and help it grow, but if we don’t have that place that really enabling us to be all that God had really intended us to be, it’s really our responsibility to figure out how to facilitate that.  And what we’re seeing is that millions, tens of millions of people now are saying “I don’t want to just go to church I want to be the church.” And so they’re figuring out how to develop networks of relationships, how to get involved in different types of ministry activities that have absolutely nothing to do with a local church, and it’s not that these people hate the local church you know they would bless it as much as they can. They’re simply saying “But I have to be responsible for my life.  My commitment is such that I cannot stand back and allow my spiritual life to flounder; I have to take this thing by the horns and go for it.”

Sid: In America today the easiest thing is to go with the flow. It takes really almost a move of God for someone to go against that stream.

George: I think this is an incredibly significant period of time where we’ve got this many people who have lived in our culture which on the one hand probably morally is becoming more decadent, then it’s been perhaps it’s history.  But on the other hand we’ve got people who are experiencing so much pain and so much need and so much dissatisfaction and lack of fulfillment with life that they’ve finally come back and realized you know what God is the only answer.  His ways are the only ways that make sense and so I need to get really deeply in touch with that and wrap my life around His principals, so that all of this makes sense.

Sid: Now many of these millions of people that you give the title revolutionary to don’t understand what’s going on for instance take me.  I’ve been a believer now for over 30 years. It’s always been my thought if I don’t do something through the local church, if I’m not submitted to everything the pastor says or if I don’t God forbid attend a local church then there’s something wrong with me.  Do you find others are feeling that way?

George: One of the reasons I wrote the book was to encourage people like you who have that feeling.  As we were doing this research and it just kind of happened on to obviously God led us to this but it wasn’t intentional on our part we discovered that there are all these people throughout the country who have this kind of holy angst within them to try to reach out to God and have this deeper relationship.  We discovered that they couldn’t talk about it because every time they talk to another believer and they said “Well you know I’m not feeling like I’m really getting what I need to be deeper with God from my church.”  Oh, you can’t say that, every time well you know I’ve had to drop out of church so that I could be the church, “Oh you can’t do that.”  And so there was this whole issue that they were struggling with everything they talked to another believer who was part of a congregational church and had not really gone through this process of evaluating what was going on they were made to feel like they were defective Christians like they were second class citizens of the Kingdom of God. And what we’re trying to do now is to help them realize you know what if God wants to orchestrate your life use you in a different way that’s fine. You got to go back in church history and realize human beings made up the local church the way that it’s configured today about 1700 years ago. We’ve kind of made that tradition into something that we believe is holy and cannot be changed.  But the reality is when you look through scripture what you find is that God tells us the kinds of things that we need to believe the ways that we need to live, but He gives us very little in the way of methodology for practicing that.  He wants us to be His holy loving serving people obedient to Him, but whether we do it in a building, outside a building a lot of people a few people doesn’t matter to him.  What He wants is our hearts, he wants us to bear fruit for His kingdom.

Sid: I want you to define a revolutionary, and to tell me what are the passions of a revolutionary?

George:  A revolutionary is somebody who has said when I look at my life what I understand is that I live for one reason and that is to love, obey and serve God.  My life is all about Him, He created me for His purposes not for me to go out trying to make sense out of my own purposes.  And so these are individuals who say “I want more of God in my life, I will do whatever it takes to get it, I will go where He sends me; I will do what He tells me to do.  I live for Him.  That is first and foremost in my life.”  And as we examine these people more closely all these revolutionaries we found that there’s a commonality they have is that their constantly trying to balance these things that we’ve come to label the 7 passions of a revolutionary.  And these very simply are things like having constant intimate worship experiences with God.  In other words not just saying “Hey, I got to be at the place Sunday morning where they do the worship.

Sid: But why does that person have to be a revolutionary what your describing if someone were to know nothing but read the New Testament they would say “George Barna what you’re talking about is normal.”

George: Well, that would be wonderful if that were the case, but the reason we’ve labeled  these people revolutionaries is because they refused to become wrapped up in a the cultural assumptions that have really in many ways prevented us from being 1^st Century Christians. From being the kind of believers the devout followers of Christ that we’re called to be in scripture.  Am I suggesting that this something absolutely new on them?  Absolutely not. What I’m saying is what we’re thankfully finding is a growing cadre of people around the nation who are saying “You know when I read the book of Acts it doesn’t look at all like the church that I’ve been part of.  When I look at the book of Acts it doesn’t seem at all like the life style like I’m living today but I got to get back to that.”

Sid: What are other passions of revolutionaries?

George: Well, we talked about the constant intimate worship, secondly it has to do with having spiritual conversations with people that we know.  You know there’s all the talk about evangelism in churches but that typically become programmatic.  What you see in scripture is that it’s relational, it’s all about developing a personal connection and being able in a regular course of conversation to talk with people about the meaning of Christ for their life.  A third passion has to do with spiritual depth and formation of the person, we might think of this as discipleship.  But having some kind of deep commitment where every day they’re working on their knowledge of God, their relationship to Him and His scriptures.  The fourth passion has to do with how we invest all of the resources that God entrust to us for the advancement of His Kingdom.  So often we look at all the things that we have and we think it’s for us. It’s not for us, He has really kind of hired us, or empowered us to be portfolio managers for the Kingdom.  So our money, our ideas, our relationships, our possessions all these things and more were given to us for one reason, and that’s to advance His Kingdom.  Revolutionaries are constantly thinking about “How do I use it for that purpose.”  A fifth element has to do with our commitment to serving needy people what you see all throughout scriptures, it’s certainly throughout Jesus life is it’s about ministering to other individuals and so revolutionaries have that commitment.  A sixth thing has to do with the nature of our relationship.  Christianity is abundantly relational kind of faith, but it’s not just enjoying each other’s presence it’s also all about accountability being able to help each other grow by being serious about living in ways that scripture talks about.  And the final passion that we’ve found common to revolutionaries had to do with the centrality of family as a faith oriented experience.

Sid: Now do you know what you’re describing to me?

George: What?

Sid: You’re describing the Hebraic understanding of God and working out your relationship with God and man, as opposed to the Greco Roman understanding, that’s what you’re saying.  I even used the work Mishpochah to start my radio show which is a Hebrew word, and it means family.

George: Well, then we need more of that kind of teaching.

Sid: Okay Mishpochah maybe you have felt almost isolated because your so on fire for God and you don’t understand what is going on and you think maybe there’s something wrong with you because you’re almost bored by what’s going on.  You know George I spoke to someone from a very well-known and wonderful congregation that has been going to that congregation now for 30 years.  And you know what they said? The saddest thing, it hasn’t changed in 30 years. If you miss a Sunday you will go the next week and it’s the same.  But God has got so much more, He’s so diverse; you want to understand yourself, you want to understand what’s about ready to happen in the future….

SID: Hello Sid Roth here with Dr. Larry Bates, and we found out that our money in banks is not so safe. How about our money in life insurance companies?

LARRY: The same thing, the life insurance companies are different from banks, see as a banker I have literally created millions of dollars out of thin air with a stroke of my pen, it is what we call PFA banking; pluck from air. Then we charge interest on that which we create out of nothing under the fractional reserve banking system.

SID: You have to be really, here comes that Hebrew word again, you have to be really mashugah to lose money when you can do stuff like that and yet the banks have lent so many bad mortgages they are losing money. Well they were loaning money like drunken sailors.

SID: So how safe is our life insurance company?

LARRY: Well Sid, a life insurance company can only loan out what you have loaned them. Now here is the fundamental question, if the people they have loaned your money to can’t pay them can they pay you?

SID: No.

LARRY: That’s right, so here we are again, we are back to money, cash at the crash will be king. And this is why we are seeing a lot of big venerable, 150 year old firms go out of business, because they ran out of cash, it was a run on the bank.

SID: Will there be a wealth transfer and if so, how can we be the head and not the tail?

LARRY: Well we know there will be a wealth transfer because the scriptures tell us that will happen, it says the wealth of the wicked will be transferred to the righteous, but here is the fundamental truth we don’t need to ignore. I don’t believe that God in his infinite wisdom will give people who don’t understand the system; he is not going to give them a burden to handle all this wealth. And then the first thing we need to understand in all the midst of this shrinking is that our God is not a God of fear, we shouldn’t be fearful. He is a God of love and of power and of a sound mind. So we have to get wisdom and understanding like the men of Issachar, they understood the times that they were living in, since none of this has caught God by surprise, we shouldn’t be surprised either if we are tapped in to God’s wisdom, you know we ask for wisdom from God and he says he will give it to us and he won’t upbraid us for asking.

SID: Okay, you have asked, you have been involved in money your whole life, where do you invest your money? If I can be that personal.

LARRY: Oh absolutely. I have paid for agricultural real estate, I have residential real estate paid for, I have gold and silver coins and I have cash in money markets and CD’s, cash at the crash will be king, I practice what I preach.

SID: Now do you count gold as cash?

LARRY: Absolutely, in fact it is the ultimate form of cash, gold and silver is money, anything else is credit. Gold and silver are the only monetary assets that aren’t somebody else’s liability.

SID: You went to Asia recently and it was very interesting, they were going through what the United States appears to be going through right now, tell me about that.

LARRY: Yes, we’re doing during the Asian economic crisis which again was a currency crisis, much like we’re facing today, ever since 1971 every economic crisis in the world has been a currency crisis, this is no exception. And I was doing briefings in seven different countries and this one particular day I was at the American club in Hong Kong, this was a meeting being put on by the Full Gospel Business Men’s Group in Hong Kong, very prominent people, we had the biggest collection of tycoons I had ever been around in my life, we had the chairman of Mercedes Benz of all of Asia, we had the Lippo Group people, the Reaidos, the economic advisor to the Governor of Hong Kong, I explained how the system was working, how that God wasn’t caught off guard, and he wasn’t anxious about their situation, and this one Chinese gentleman said in his broken English, he says, how you know this? I now understand; how you know this? And I said well look I have no wisdom of my own, but I am tapped into the source of wisdom, and the only way you can tap into the source of wisdom of God is through an intimate relationship to the Son Jesus Christ. And I said if you are interested in knowing that see one of these men with the flowers in their lapels and they will be glad to share that with you, they told me five or six of those tycoons got saved that day.

SID: These are some of the wealthiest men in Asia.

LARRY: Absolutely.

SID: And you know I hear religious terminology like saved, like born again, scrap it all, what counts is knowing God, hearing his voice, having no fear of death, having no fear of life, living and knowing that God, the Creator of the universe is pleased with you, living and knowing that God the Creator of the universe speaks to you, what can man do for you? If God is for you what can man do to you? He can’t do anything and these wealthy tycoons they just wanted to have intimacy with God.

LARRY: Absolutely, because the shaking had occurred and things that they had held dear to them, their money, they saw that it was passing away.

SID: I am reminded of Joseph. Joseph was given wisdom for the crisis that was coming before it happened. Well we are in the midst of it right now, is there still a chance to use this Godly wisdom?

LARRY: Absolutely, you see we are at the tipping point, I believe we have a minimum of two years, maximum of five years to get or house in order. If we are fortunate we will have two years, if we are fortunate we may have five years, but you need to share this information with the people that you care about, because if you don’t then you are going to be, you are going to have a burden. If you take care of yourself and don’t share this information with other people, here is the good part about it, if you share the information of wisdom and understanding with someone who is concerned about the current situation you earn the right to share with him or her the reason for the hope that is in you.

SID: Tell me about these three DVD’s we are making available, Economic and Political Crisis, strategies for weathering any crisis while keeping your finances and political freedoms intact.

LARRY: Well we go through and show people how this is not an accident, it is a planned destruction of America, it is planned, I debriefed a former KGB agent back in 1983, was with the disinformation arm of the Soviet KGB, they were spending four hundred million dollars in disinformation campaigns against the United States, I show in this DVD the blueprints and how they have accomplished the disinformation series, the disinformation period, we are now entering the destabilization period and I will show you what to look for in the destabilization period. After destabilization you come to a crisis period just like Joseph in the Bible, Joseph was raised up for such a time as this, and God is raising up modern day Joseph’s to be a blessing when all of the shaking comes, we know the shaking is coming because the scripture tells us that everything that can be shaken will be shaken so that that which cannot be shaken will remain. You see money is a weapon, spiritual gifts are weapons, but we must never allow our weapon to become our identity. If we do that we have the potential of becoming a terrorist in God’s eyes.

SID: Powerful statements, you know the shaking, you don’t have to be a mental giant to realize that shaking is going on, but the biggest shaking, the biggest crisis, is when you leave your temporary residence that is called your earth suit or your body, and when you slip right out of that some shall go to everlasting light and some to everlasting condemnation, everlasting is a long time. How do you go to everlasting life? By knowing the Czar Shalom, the Prince of Peace, Jesus the Messiah, because he died for your sins, if you will repent and believe that God sent Jesus to die in your place and ask him to be your Lord and live inside of you then you will have intimacy with God. If you have intimacy with God you have everything. If you have everything and don’t have intimacy with God you have nothing, chose this day whom you will serve. It’s God, that’s who.

On It’s Supernatural: Doctors said a woman only had a few hours to live. See how she suddenly got up and went home miraculously. Plus, Jesus appeared at the foot of this woman’s bed. See how He reached down inside her and took away every hurt and rejection she ever had.

Do angels exist? Are healing miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get Supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 25 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Jean Blasi. We were just talking about, I’ve been having a new experience, Jean. There has been heat from my neck up. It’s like I’m on fire. And this has happened often to you and many of your friends. What does that mean to you?

JEAN: Well, it’s an anointing of the Lord. It’s an increase of anointing for one thing, and it’s God really increasing Himself in our life. Often I feel the healing anointing is from the neck up.

SID: Are a lot of people going to be healed that are watching this TV show?

JEAN: I believe that, yes I do.

SID: Now Jean had more rejection and fear than a human should have; than any human should have. When she was 3 years of age, she had pneumonia. Literally died, came back, was resuscitated, but had a lot of complications. When she was 8, your father’s holding you, and he dies. Then one month later, her mother dies. She’s adopted three times, she’s away from her brothers and sisters. She eventually gets married, and then your first child dies. What did you think about God at that time? Or did you?

JEAN: I was such a hurt, wounded vessel, I don’t know if I even thought about God. I just was pain. I guess I did think about God, because I thought He didn’t like me. I thought something had to be very wrong that I would lose that many people. Yeah, I did think about God.

SID: But in God’s infinite love, He walked into your bedroom. Explain that.

JEAN: Yes He did. One night He just came into the room. It was that incredible, glorious resurrected body, and the radiance of the throne room. He came in and held His arms out to me like this and just stood there, and every, I don’t know what to call it, fiber of His being for lack of words, every part from His head to His feet was rays and rays of love. His whole being just coming out into me, and the joy, such incredible joy. I’d never known such a thing. I literally said “Oh Jesus!” I knew who He was, and I said “Oh Jesus!” I’d never felt so good. I didn’t know anybody could feel happy inside. It began a whole series of incredible experiences of Him drawing me to the Lord, to Himself.

SID: Your husband lost his drug store. What happened?

JEAN: Yes. That also led into another experience. I was standing in my living room, just going

“I don’t know what we’re going to do.” Just lost. “Oh God, what are we going to do?” And I heard this voice. Now that I know God’s voice, I understand it was an audible voice. I heard this voice say “Jean, your husband will not always be just a pharmacist. I’ve called him to be a minister for Me.” It scared me to pieces, because I thought a man had walked in my front door, and I turned around to see if there was a man in the room, and there was not. I can go on, we felt the Lord told us to move to northeast Texas, we moved there, and I had another experience with the Lord. I got in with a bunch of people who thought I should work my way to heaven, so they told me… I was a concert pianist at the time, and they said I need to give piano lessons. If I didn’t, God would take away my talent. So I thought, maybe I could get to heaven. I didn’t understand these experiences, so to me, that didn’t mean I was saved.

SID: You were really on a search for Jesus that came in your bedroom.

JEAN: Yes I was, I was so hungry for Him, but I didn’t know how to find Him.

SID: So you’re giving the piano lessons, and one day you happened to have a mother that is unlike the other mothers. She stays, and she wants to talk to you. What did she say?

JEAN: I’m just me, I’m just honest about things. When she sat over there, I thought “Oh, nobody has that kind of love. She’s just putting on.” She was rather disgusting to me. And so, one day she said “Could you just make a pot of coffee and we could have a cup of coffee together? I’d like to share something with you.” Outside, I put on a smile and said “Oh yes”, and in my heart I thought “That’s really rude.” So Jesus just works with you like you are. We sat down at my kitchen table, and she shared the gospel with me, which I had never heard before. She said to me “Jean, has anyone ever told you that Jesus loves you?” And it went straight to my heart, those deep pools eyes of her just piercing in me with such love. I said “No, no one’s ever told me that.” She talked to me about Him dying for me, then when she left, I went into our living room and sat down in my husband’s recliner. I was so undone, because that had pierced my heart. I was crying so hard, and I said “Jesus, I’ve got to have You. I don’t want to live if I can’t have You.” And here He comes again. The whole living room had that throne room radiance again. The whole place was lit up. My whole being was infused with Him again. I can tell you the day that I got infused with the love of Christ.

SID: Tell me about that.

JEAN: That was right in that chair, and I have loved people from that day. God has graced me with enough love to love them by the millions. I love His people.

SID: Then you had an encounter with the Holy Spirit.

JEAN: I called this lady and said “I received Jesus! I’ve met Him!” She said “Well, do you have the baptism of the Holy Spirit?” I said “I didn’t know there was one. How do I? Is that more of Jesus?” and she said “Yes.” So I went into my bedroom and got on my knees at my bed, and again, I’m just going “I have to have this. If You love me, You’ll give me this”, not knowing any better. I actually had an unloved spirit. That’s what life had done to me. I didn’t think anybody loved me. All of a sudden, here comes the glorious presence and radiance of heaven again, just filled the room again, all over me. I did not know what you do in order to have a prayer language,

but the word, the Bible, tells us out of our belly shall flow living water. Gushing out of me came this incredible prayer language and I couldn’t stop!

SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back, but wait till you find out what happens when the hand of God enters such a hurting human being. Be right back after this word.

SID: Now Rich Vera had six hours in Heaven. But he says, although it was six hours, there’s no time in Heaven. And so it was unlimited teaching was downloaded into his spirit. Tell me about what happened when you went to Heaven.

RICH: You know, I was grilling fish in Hawaii with friends and I passed out. And so instantly when I fell to the ground I was taken out of my body and it was right in the presence of the Lord. Now I always have the idea when I see Jesus and when I jump on him, kiss and love him. But because I wasn’t living up to his expectations to what I knew was best, there was a sense of failure on the inside. There was a sense of so much to do for God. I’m calling God. I’m here. I’m wasting my time being selfish allowing bitterness and what people did to me, keep me away from the living God. I spent what it seemed to me 45 minutes or more begging the Lord for his mercy. I felt that at any time something could open and I would go right to Hell. And I begged the Lord from my whole being asking, “Lord have mercy. Please send me back. And if you send me back I’ll do anything you want me to do. I’ll preach for you. I’ll live my life for you.” Was about a time when begging with such a force that I heard at a distance, way at a distance that the sound of the ambulance pulling over to the house. And I began to see way down there, opening the door, coming out, coming down the driveway. And when I saw them I opened my eyes back on the backyard. And I told my friends, “This is not a sickness.” I said, “I’m not dying.” I said, “This is a visitation from God.” They had no idea what I was talking about. They told the paramedics that I was okay, that it was a visitation from God. I don’t know how they took it. So when they were gone, I told them, “Pull me in the house,” because I was in the backyard. Neighbors heard me screaming. They were coming out the windows. They dragged me in the house, threw me on the couch. The moment I hit the couch I was taken up my body again, and this time I was in the presence of the Lord. But I wasn’t begging for mercy. Now I knew that the Lord gave me a chance. I knew that the Lord allowed me to return, and that I wasn’t going to die and go to Hell. Now walking with the Lord, the funny thing is my mind that I have down here, it works perfectly up there. So I remember everything down here and I always say if I see Jesus, I’m going to ask him every question I can ask. I’m going throw a thousand questions.

SID: How would you like to ask Jesus some questions? I have an idea you would. I have an idea you would, too.

RICH: And I began to ask him questions. I said, “God, tell me about the healing ministry and the prophetic ministry, and the working of miracles.” Because these are the gifts that God has given me as a minister. And the Lord answer my questions. And I go, “Lord, am I going to raise the dead? What’s going to be this? Am I going to preach? How big is going to be my audience?” And the Lord was not paying attention. So I got frustrated and I said, “Fine.” And I thought to myself, somehow, I’m going to get the answer from you. And the Lord says, “I want you to see something and meet some people.” And He’s walking me down, and suddenly the Lord, before He walks me down, He looks at me and says, “Why did you allow what people said about you and things that happened, and the accusations, how mean people, why did you let this turn you away from me? Don’t you know that I’m the one.” And he took me back since I was little boy, incidents that in my life that He was with me and I had no idea. Now when the Lord is telling me this, I’m listening to his voice, but I’m having a visual like a TV screen of the events. And as the Lord is talking to me, up to the say I was 18 years old when I got born again, and the Lord says, “I was with you this event and I’m the one that visited you and saved you.” When He’s talking to me His voice and His words are coming to me with such a force that they started cleansing me from all the bitterness and all the anger. And instantly, by Him talking to me, I was filled with His love and I was delivered from the hatred, the bitterness and all my rescindments. And I was filled with the love of God to the point that I wanted to go to every person that did me wrong and hug them and kiss them. It was a love that it was beyond my way of expressing love. And I learned one thing. The voice of the Lord carries power to deliver us, to change us, to heal us, just His voice.

SID: You know, here in America, we have, what, maybe eight Bibles per Christian. We’re fat with Bibles. And we’ve heard the stories since we were in Sunday school, little kids. And we kind of take it for granted. We forget how powerful every word of the Word of God is.

RICH: Well Jesus said, “The words that I speak, they’re spirit and they carry life.” So words are not just noise, you know, like you hear a voice and go, you’re just making noise. But when Jesus talks, there’s two elements to his voice. His voice is an audio and his voice is visual. And my experience is because everything He will talk to me, I will see it. That’s why you hear prophetic people say, I see this and I see that. You’re hearing something from the Lord. So when God talks to us, and actually words that are spirit born, spirit led, are words that will carry vision and will carry audio. And this is the power of God. Because the Bible says, without vision that people perish. But the Word of God brings vision to us. There’s a need for us to hear the voice of God, not just through a prophet. One word of the Lord can carry you for a whole life, one single word.

SID: Now God told you, when you came back and He taught you about the gift of prophecy, but what did he tell you, you would be able to see?

RICH: You know, He showed me some people. And He says, “Look up.” And He told me, “What do you see?” And I see, “Well I see,” and I described people. He says, “Look again. Tell me what you see.” And I see, “Well I see,” and I described different bodies. He says, “Look again.” So I began to describe blue tie, red this. And then suddenly an angel turned the group of people around, and an angel came and peeled in from the back like if it wore a banana. So when he peeled them instead of seeing their brain or their body organs, I could see them what happened to them when they were children, things in their lives, what they were thinking, incidents in their lives. And the Lord says, “Look now.” And when I saw it, something right away was downloading in my spirit. And the Lord says, “From this time on when you see people, you will know. And as you speak by my spirit I will heal them, I will deliver them, not only physical, but from things that are happening in their lives.” So that’s really what released me to another level of the prophetic in my life.

SID: Let me tell you something, I was with him and I just talked a bit about backsliding, and I don’t understand someone backsliding, I said, because I had such an experience, I could never even fathom that. And he began to tell me the experience that I had. He said, “I see it.” And he began to say the words, but he had no knowledge of this before the fact. So I’ve already tested this gift. But what excites me even more than that gift, I have to tell you, is the revelation you got from Isaiah, from Peter, from Elijah, from Moses. Oy vey. I wish I had those revelations. I want to hear it in the next segment. Be right back.