Sid: You know in the tumult of your day, day to day life do you long for peace powerful enough to defeat your greatest fears?  Strength to overcome your mountains of obstacles you face or the presence of God to fill you with power?  I’m interviewing Michael Galiga; he does not speak by theory, he’s not just some teacher that knows how to teach, he is a man that has won every battle.  He has found how you can draw into the secret place of God’s presence and power and wisdom.  He get’s downloaded ideas that result in $l00,000,000 real estate deals.  He has found that whatever the problem, whether it’s unemployment, whether it’s your facing foreclosure or whether it’s sickness or whether it’s broken relationships, whether it’s plain fear, being paralyzed and not being able to make a decision God has something better for you.  You can win every battle and Mike you talk about in your book, “Win Every Battle” an amazing experience when God called you to Israel in 2005.  But you put out a fleece, what was that and why would you even put out a fleece?  I think it’s great to go to Israel, what’s the big deal?

Michael: Well, Sid I was raised in a family that when times got tough and just the year before started my own business and moved back to Oklahoma to take care of my Mom and we didn’t have a lot of money and so the way that I was raised and you don’t have a lot of money you work hard, and if times get hard, you work harder and harder and harder.  And so I’m praying one night and journaling and God says okay, I want you go to Israel and I’m going “Well, I kind of wanted to go, but I don’t want to go right now because I need to work hard.  But so any way eventually I agreed to go, I said, “Okay, okay I’ll go, period, but I have these two residential lots that my wife and I bought and we don’t want them anymore and it’s very expensive, a lot of money Sid, and so we needed to sell them, we needed to sell them since we didn’t want them.  So I said, God, I’m asking you, I’m going on record, I’m asking you, I will go to Israel but I’m asking you to have both of these lots in contract, not closed but in contract before I leave.  And then there was another fellow that owed me a lot of money and I’ll say the amount, not to brag, but it was $200,000 and I will name his name Bob in Indiana.  You Bob has told me that he’s not going to pay me.  And so I would like to be paid before I leave, and he said to both of those things, done, I’ll take care of it, you go to Israel.  So about, three or four days before I left something like both lots are still for sale and I don’t have the $200,000 so again it was about four or five days before I left, the phone rang about 10:30 a night that was the broker that had the listing and he said, “Mike I have this offer, can I come by?”  He comes by, it was a great offer, it was perfect.  My wife and I sign it and we say yahoo, praise the Lord, but we still have another lot for sale and don’t have the $200,000.  So I continue to praise the Lord and this is stretching me like big time.  And so the night before I left, it was 10:30 at night a broker calls the same song and dance, he calls and he’s got a great offer on the second last lot.  Can I come by and he came by and it was a full price perfect offer and we sign it.  And so that part of the deal that I struck with God was done the night before I left, but I still don’t have $200,000.  I’m still, I’m maxed out Sid, you know I’m walking in ground that I’ve never walked on before.  And so I said, “I’m going to Israel” and I went to bed that night, and I said, “I’m going to Israel, I don’t care I’m going no matter what, even if I don’t have the 200,000, but I know God is going to give it to me.  So I got up that morning, my wife and my little boy drove me to the airport, I went in the airport and waved goodbye to them and I sat at the gate Sid. Thirty minutes before that plane took off I felt like a quarterback that knew that he was going throw the touchdown pass with twenty seconds left in the Super Bowl.  I just knew it Sid, I just looked around at people and said, these people are nice people, but they don’t have a clue of what’s about to happen.  I got on the plane, I sat on my seat, there was nobody next to me, suns coming in through the window, and I said God this is the eleventh point nine hour and I know that you are going to deliver me and the stewardess came on and said, hey, if you got a cell phone on, it ought to be off and just then the door shut and you know when the door shut and it compresses and you can hear it?

Sid: Right.

Michael: You’re not getting off that plane at that point, you cannot get off that plane so I’m going to Israel, but the plane had not started back out yet.  We hadn’t left, my phone rang and that about ten second period, it rang as I was punching the button to turn it off and he said, “Hey, this is David from Indiana, I just wanted you to know that we just wire transferred $200,000 payments to your account and I know that you’re going on a trip out of the country, have a great trip.”  So I spoke to him for about ten seconds and I hung up.  Two things, the money was there before I left, but only after the door shut Sid.  Second of all, I never told him I was going anywhere.

Sid: How did you feel when you got that telephone call?

Michael: Well, I melted into the seat, you know this is a place that most people dream about going and they never go there because they haven’t taken that step into faith.  And I’m telling you, I was a hurting unit, when I got on that plane I was full of faith, but I was thinking either you show up of I go down in flames.  I’ve never done this before, ever.  And so I stepped out on faith and that’s when it happened.  That’s when the supernatural takes over.

Sid: And when you were coming back or maybe even before you found out, you heard from God that the devil had a strategy against you.

Michael: Yeah, very real I’m journaling about a month before I left and I’m journaling, I’m writing down what God’s telling me to do and what He’s up too and He says, Mike, Hey your sensitive point is your wife and child.  And the forces of darkness, satan and his minions are going to come after your wife and child and because you’re going to Israel because I told you to and your being obedient, I the living God am going to protect them with my hand, I’m not sending somebody else, I’m going to protect t them with My hand, Myself.  And I thought that sounds cool, I love that.  So I’m coming back from Israel, I land at the Oklahoma City airport and turn on, been gone ten or eleven days, and my wife is on the phone leaving me voice mails, leaving me voice mails, very stressed out, and sobbing.  And so I pull up at the gate and a fireman is waiting at the door and a stewardess says Mike Galiga where are you and she said, everybody sit down, Mike Galiga get up here right now, I run to the front of the plane and she says, “Your wife and son have been hit by a pickup truck in the Will Rogers International Airport here in Oklahoma City.  I know where their car is and they’re on their way to Mercy Hospital, come with me.  So I did, I got in the car, but Sid my heart rate didn’t even bump any.  It was a supernatural sustenance sustaining experience where I knew that God had told me that He would protect them and He did.  No matter what somebody told me, I knew that they were fine.  My heart rate didn’t increase, I didn’t sweat, I didn’t get excited, I got in her car, drove to the hospital and got there and this is the story that I was told.  Mike we were walking into the cross walk and I saw an object, I had the umbrella up and it was drizzling and I saw an object to my right and it ended up being a pickup truck and an arm and a hand an arm, a big one pushed me back out of the way of the truck, but it still hit Michael, threw him ten feet in the air and he landed on his feel looking at the front bumper of the truck and the truck skid to a stop.

Sid: Wait a second, “How old is Michael?”

Michael: He would have been five.

Sid: You tell me a five year old is hit by a car, goes ten feet in the air and lands on their feet?

Michael: Looking at the front bumper of the truck and the point of the story is they couldn’t find anything wrong with him, an hour later or so they released him, he didn’t even have a scratch.

Sid: What did this teach you about obedience?

Michael: Well, it taught me that these are things that happen when God says that I want you to do this or that.  And when you do that and you step out on faith with direction that you can’t fail.  And what I’ve learned is that faith translated into people’s terms that don’t go to church and they don’t understand this Sid is living as absolutely far into the uncertain as you possible comfortably can every day; because we all value certainty.

Sid: You know what I find in my life, the most exciting times I have with God is when I walk on water.  I’ve never really walked on water, but some of the things that I’ve done have been equivalent to it.  But it doesn’t happen until I put myself in that position.

Michael: Yeah.  That’s exactly right, once you get a taste of this there’s no going back.

Sid: It is like I was telling a few friends, I do meeting where I lecture on the supernatural and I promise that people will be healed.  Well, I’m just like you Michael, I can’t heal anyone, but when I put God on the line and unsaved people come, they get healed.

Michael: Yeah, it’s amazing.

Sid:  Michael you have battled fear and won, explain what fear is.

Michael: Well, first of all fear is a thing, and unchurched people, people that aren’t use to seeing this and hearing it are baffled by it at first, but fear first of all is a thing.  It’s a demonic force, it’s not just a feeling and those things are all, have been conquered by the blood of Christ.  I know that that sounds weird, but I’m a businessman, but when you take that blood and say “Fear you can’t be here anymore you have to leave.  And you begin to reprogram your mind and ask God to reprogram it from living in the certainty, worshipping certainty to saying I am going to X out certainty on my values list and plug in uncertainty.  I want to live in an uncertain world because that is where all the passion is and that’s where all the joy comes from.  The Bible calls it faith, when you live in faith, your happy, you’re joyful.  No you don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow, but what happens tomorrow is pretty awesome.

Sid: It’s pretty awesome, again it’s easy for you to teach on this but what to me is what is awesome is some of the experiences you have had where you have literally overcome a spirit of fear.  And on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re going to talk about overcoming. But, you know when you were talking about in 2005 when you went into your closet and you literally were saying I’m not coming out of here until I experience the same presence of God that King David experienced.  But the issue is that was when you really finally surrendered.

Michael: Yeah, that’s the first step Sid, step number one is absolute total, unconditional, unrevocable utter complete, wall to wall surrender.

Sid: How freeing is that?

Michael: It’s freeing to the extent that it’s hard to believe that you’re that free.

Sid: Well, listen I want you to win every battle; I want you to conquer fear, I want you to be so free.

Sid: Hi. Sid Roth here with Leif Hetland. Leif, you teach on regaining the vision. You teach on dreaming with God. You’re a dreamer, right?

Leif: I do.

Sid: You are a dreamer. And when you impart this, people have inventions, people have healings, people have new direction for life. They have encounters with God. Tell me about Edwin.

Leif: Well Edwin is a businessman.

Sid: He sat in on your teaching.

Leif: He sat in on my teaching and I’ve released this actually to all my team in the Philippines because I wanted every single one of them to be able to realize that there’s a dream in your life. But I realize many of them had a funeral of their dream. So they actually, the dream was dead and they had buried their dream. And Edwin is also a dreamer. And he is a businessman, owns a construction company, and he also has one of the greatest real estate company. But during the recession they were hit very hard.

Sid: Of course.

Leif: And so he went up on a mountain area where he goes alone with God. And the good news, he is a son. He’s just finding his place in the Father’s embrace and love.

Sid: He’s not an orphan any more.

Leif: He’s not an orphan now. He’s a son. And he started to dream with God. But his dilemma was he didn’t have money to be able to pay his workers. And all of those workers that is construction workers, they get paid, but not just paid. That’s his ministry. That’s his ministry in the business. So Edwin, he started then to dream with God. And God gave him a word. He said, “Your dream is whoever lends to the poor, lends to me, and I’m going to show you.” And he was driving down from that mountain and he saw a poor beggar sitting on the street. And Edwin said, “What would you like God to do for you?” And this guy said, “I just would love to have a home.” He was homeless. So Edwin, he gathered his crew and he started to dream. They didn’t have money to pay the workers. But now instead, they built this guy a beautiful house, a home. And while they were building his home, a Korean businessman, he calls in and he ordered a house. Now another group of people called in and they ordered a whole set of upper-middle class houses, and later on, there was a school. And in a matter of two months there were so many orders that came in for Edwin that he had made more money during the first two months of recession than all the previous years back together. So Edwin, he continued to dream with God and he’s doing very well.

Sid: So if you’re a dreamer with God, if you dream with God it doesn’t matter what happens to the economy. It doesn’t matter what happens in any arena of your life because if you’re dreaming with God, if God’s for you, your mother didn’t raise a dummy, who can be against you? Leif, tell me about that Filipino man that had that idea for the Korean company.

Leif: It’s kind of a fun story because also he is another dreamer. But he didn’t realize when the down luck was going to come. There was a Korean company, and it’s been on the Internet, that has been looking for a scientific and a mathematical solution. And a lot of the Filipinos, they would like to get something from Heaven that would be an answer to this solution. And in the natural they tried everything, but nothing was taking place. And he also had deemed in the presence of God. And he was actually just going to a restaurant, and he was in the restaurant heading to the bathroom. And when he’s going into the bathroom that’s when the download came. It sounds strange that he shared the story. He was in the bathroom and suddenly he got these downloads from Heaven.

Sid: Now you said, you did warn me this was a funny story.

Leif: So he took actually toilet paper and he throwed it down there and then he took it, put it in his pocket, went back home, went on his computer. And first of all, it changed his life financially speaking. He’s been made partner of this Korean company. And this is just one out of many stories. What I like so much about this story, it was that his creative solution, and I believe that with any problem that is up there, there’s somebody, God is just looking for a dreamer, somebody that will just align up with him that can solve that very problem. And that’s why this story or that testimony is so beautiful to me. There is something in each person, everybody that is watching right now, something God has placed within us to solve some of these problems. But all God is looking for is somebody that would co-labor with him, sons and daughters that would just receive from Him the solution to some of the problems.

Sid: Tell me about the Alabama pastor that sat under your teaching.

Leif: That was just a few weeks ago in Alabaster, right outside Birmingham, Alabama. And it was also an amazing service, a good old country church. But he never dreams, and he told me, “I never get to dream something.” I said, “Just watch it.” I said, “Tonight when you go to bed, just watch and see what’s going to take place.” And it was actually his wife.

Sid: You know what? That’s a word for you. Tonight, when you go to sleep, watch and see what takes place. Go ahead.

Leif: And so the wife called me the next day and then she sent an email to my office. And this was just tremendous because he said, “I never get dreams. But I saw in my dream, and it was the weather forecast, day-by-day for the next six days, I saw it in my dream.” He said, “And I never get that.” But the wife said, “In the natural, the first thing I do in the morning, I look at the weather forecast.” He’s also a businessman and they are looking at buying this big warehouse as well as office complex to remove his office. And he’s been struggling, should he do it or not? But in his dream, he got a clear answer for what is going to take place in the next six days in his dream, and he knew exactly what he was supposed to do in regard to this large purchase that didn’t make sense during the recession.

Sid: How about you? Because your dream, you’ve had a funeral for it. You’ve given up. You still love God, but you’ve given up on that dream. Or you, you have never even had a dream with God. I’m going to have Leif, in the next section, pray for you and I expect you to dream with God because you are a son, you are a daughter of the most high God, and you count. You’re special. You’re not damaged merchandise. You are fearfully and wonderfully made. You are special to God and He wants to show you. Be right back after this word.

Sid: My guest, Bruce Allen, I don’t see how he could help, but be red hot for the Messiah, with some of the experiences that he’s had on yesterday’s broadcast.  I’ll tell you Bruce, just that one story about the person getting a new heart and being verified by a medical doctor would make someone, in my opinion red hot for the rest of their life.  But that happens a lot when you minister, especially when you talk about where we are the seventh day.  And you show it scripturally, do you find that the presence of God gets very strong when you teach on that subject?

Bruce: Oh, very very often yeah.

Sid: Well, let’s go back to when God spoke to you the first time about supernaturally being transported from one location to another.

Bruce: The Lord seems to like to challenge me just as I wake up when I’m not firing on all four cylinders or eight cylinders, or whatever we are on that day.  But so He challenged me and asked me a question, “Can a man be translated by faith?”  Now, I had absolutely no paradigm for that, that’s never been on my radar to even consider.  I mean I’ve always been fascinated with the story of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch and how he was transported twenty eight miles away after he baptized that eunuch and he was found in Azotes; and so that challenged me, because I believe anything in the Bible that they walked in we can walk in.  So when He asked me that I began to ponder shortly and then remembering what I’ve been teaching on the seventh day and the third day; I finally said, “Yes Sir, I believe so.”  And immediately the Lord responded, “Good, prepare.”  And now I’m really, I said well, “God, how in the world do I do that?”  He said, “I just told you, by faith.”  And so here I am, you know just getting up trying to wake up and God’s challenged me with something that’s extraordinary beyond anything I’ve ever really pondered or conceived of.  And so I began to pray and study, well about a week after that I got a call from a friend, this couple have a Bible college in Spokane and she said, “Well, I had a strange dream about you teaching in our school last night.”  I thought okay, that’s I teach in the school, “What was the dream?”  She said, “Well, you were teaching on translation by faith,” and immediately she got my attention.  I said, “Really,” so she told me the story how I had been teaching the class and at the break and I said for the rest of this session, you have to meet me in and she named some foreign city and you vanished, but two of the students were able to vanish and follow you.  And I said, “Really.”  I said, “Do you remember the scriptures I was using in that dream to teach?” And she thought for a moment and she said, “Yes, I do.”  I said, “Would you please write those down?”  And she did and that’s really where I began to study the word in even more depth, because I had been where do I start, where do I start?  And from that point on the Lord began to open the word to me and I discovered that this belongs to the believer.  And if we just learn to believe His word this should be a normal Christian experience, rather than an extraordinary or a one off experience.  And so I began to fast and pray and study the word and you know Hebrews 11:5 said, “By faith Enoch was translated.”  Well it’s right there in the Bible, so a man can be translated by faith.  So six months into this pursuit of God, this adventure I was driving from Seattle, Washington actually, Edmonds which is right on the water of Peugeot Sound to Spokane which is about a five and half to six hour drive depending upon the traffic.  My friend John and I were coming and we had discussed what the Lord was showing me, I said, “Let’s pray and believe God.” Because I told the Lord, I said, “Lord, I’ve been praying and fasting and studying, and I believe I’m ready for my first lesson.”  So we prayed, we put on a worship song and we started driving and I remember every exit, I remember we stopped for gas and ate.  But we did that trip in less than two hours and I got to tell you that really really put me on tilt because I thought okay, translation, I’ve seen instant translation, but you compressed time.  And so that gave me, I mean a royal challenge, so I began to not only study the word in greater detail because I know in the Old Testament, God caused the clock to go backwards a few degrees and made the sun stand still with Joshua for a full day so this is not outside the purview or the realm of the possibility of God.  But as I studied the word, I had to go to a little bit of Physics and I began to understand something that really liberated me in this; because we’re taught in school that the shortest distance between to points is a straight line.

Sid: Right.

Bruce: And the Lord said, that’s true in the natural however, in me the shortest distance between two points is being there.

Sid: Um, that’ll change anyone’s paradigm for physics.  Ha-ha.

Bruce: Absolutely, shifted me.  Then He said this “Is it possible for a man to be in two places at one time?”  Well I know He’s going to throw out anything I thought I knew again, so immediately I had to respond well, “Yes Sir, I believe it is.”  He said, “That’s true because in My word it says that you are already seated together with Me in Heavenly places; therefore you are in two places right now.”

Sid: Now, since that happened to you, has this happened again? Have you ever been translated to another city or another country?

Bruce: I was, that was, right after that we had our conference over New Years and during the conference just as we had started, I had told a friend of mine, “I don’t know why, but, he was a professional photographer, but bring your cameras and you just snap pictures as you feel led, I believe we are going to catch something supernatural.”  Now, I had no idea, I just knew that I had that witness in my spirit.  Well, at the beginning of my message, I was caught away in the Spirit and I was above the earth looking down on the nation and I saw the outline of the nation and I questioned, I said, “Lord, is this Latvia or Lithuania?”  He said, “Latvia.”  Now it was nighttime there, I saw the lights of the city.

Sid: Now, out of curiosity, “Were you a little afraid? I mean this kind of very different thing to happen to someone.

Bruce: You know Sid, what’s interesting is that in every single experience I’ve had in Messiah, I’ve never had a fear.  There is always, it’s like…

Sid: I mean it’s like when I first learned to ride the bicycle I was fearful I would fall.

Bruce: Yeah, I understand, well, I was more of a daredevil so, but no it was always, when He’s with me “How can I be afraid?”  I don’t know how to explain that.

Sid: Okay, so you see yourself over which country?

Bruce: Over, Latvia.

Sid: What happens next?

Bruce: It’s nighttime, there’s just a little bit of a cloud, you know a smattering of clouds; we came down from above, through the roof of an apartment flat and I stood in front door number 212, apartment 212.  And I heard weeping inside, and I knew that it was a child, and where as I was going to knock I immediately went no, I opened the door and walked in and in the back room was a little eight year old girl named Natalia, I asked her her name.  And I inquired, “What’s the matter?”  She said, “My parents can no longer find employment or work, we have no food, we have no money and we are going to be evicted, we don’t know what to do and she was just pouring her little heart out to God.  And so I comforter and prayed with her.

Sid: Now, wait a second, you were not fearful, but what about her seeing you in her room?

Bruce: You know that was the interesting thing; there was no fear at all.  And I’ve never thought about that aspect before, now that you mention it, but it was nothing, it was like normal.  Then another aspect was that I don’t speak Russian.

Sid: And you were able to communicate?

Bruce: Perfectly.

Sid: Okay, so what was going on with her?

Bruce: Well, she was just pouring her heart out, she was concerned for her parents, she was concerned about the future, she was concerned about all of these things. And so you know I don’t know how long I was there, time has no, when you are in an experience with God who cares about the time, so I ministered to her and then I was back, when I was done I do remember saying goodbye i.e. and everything will be okay.  I was back in the meeting ministering.  Well my friend, Bob had taken these pictures and…

Sid: I’ve got this picture in front of me and this is, I have to tell you Bruce this is outrageous, I see you in the church, but it looks like it’s not really you, it looks almost like an outline of you.

Bruce: Right.

Sid: A shadow of you.

Bruce: Transparent.

Sid: I know that’s what it is, and what is this cloud up on top of the ceiling?

Bruce: I don’t know?

Sid: I mean it looks to me if I was to take a guess, I would say that it was a glory cloud.

Bruce: Yeah, it could be, it could be, I don’t know, I don’t look at that.

Sid: Well, I’m looking at that and that is amazing.  Were there many healings that night when that all transpired and you went for a trip for Latvia?

Bruce: That whole conference was highly unusual, the Lord visited in profound ways.  My friend the shoulder you see there just as you’re looking at the picture on the left, I believe you know him, Andre Ashby.

Sid: Sure, I’ve interviewed him.

Bruce: Yeah, we’ve done a few conferences together and he moves in the glory quite strongly and I move in the prophetic and the signs and wonders happen, so yeah, there were a lot of supernatural things that did take place.

Sid: Well, I’m just overwhelmed by this picture alone, but I’m also overwhelmed about what’s going to happen to our Mishpochah when they read your book, “The Prophetic Promise of the Seventh Day” because we are at the beginning of the seventh day.  And you prove Biblically what is avail to us at the seventh day and I mean, these promises are so fabulous, but as I started reading your book I felt such a presence of God.  Now it’s brand new so we can’t talk about the book, but you have been teaching on this for many years and do you see the glory really showing up when you teach on this?

Bruce: Frequently, frequently.

Sid: And the miracles?

Bruce: I’ve seen more miracles since the Lord began to give me these revelations than at all my, the rest of my life combined.

Sid:  Now my guest, Shira-Sorko-Ram has been in Israel for forty years.

Shira:  Actually forty-four years.

Sid:  Forty-four years!  Oh, am I short changing you?  Okay, you’re right you went you went there just in time to bump into the Six Day War and you’ve been there ever since.  And you’re the best person I know to ask the question, “We see all these revolutions, at least trying to be in the Middle East, I mean it’s the most amazing time I think in my life time, seeing all the upheaval going on in the Middle East right now.  What is your prophetic sense, your Biblical sense as to what’s going on and what will happen?”

Shira:  Well, you know God’s Beloved People, the Jewish people we hear all the time “Well, we are a hard necked people, stiff necked people,” and that’s not a very good thing to brag about.  God has promised that He’s going to bring the Jewish people back into salvation, it is in almost every single Prophet, it’s in the New Testament that the Lord is going to raise Jewish people, bring them back from life from the dead and so it’s going to happen.  Now the question is Sid, what is it going to take to get our people to turn around and seek God?  Right now the Jewish people in Israel are sick and tired of religion for the most part; because the Ultra Orthodox Leaders are so, they’re not what the people want.  Their opinionated, you know they’re ritual oriented, the love of God is not seen, the love of man is not seen, you know loving your neighbors as self, they’re hard and the country doesn’t want that.  But they don’t know where to go, we have not had yet; the believers’ is this country; the freedom to really get the gospel across the nation.  However as we said yesterday, “I think it was that there are at least 15,000 people that are born again Jewish believers.”  Do you know that years ago when a Jewish believer went into the Israeli army, the officers there were very suspicious of them, they thought okay this is a cult, this is this, that and the other thing.  Today, for the most part the army is very happy to receive Messianic Jews because they know them as a hard working honest people and so even in the army there is a testimony going out.  Another thing Sid is that we are realizing our people here in Israel are not going to know that God is alive until they see miracles and we as a Body, in our congregation in Tel Aviv; we are beginning to pray for very very sick people; people with cancer, people with going blind; and we are just saying we’re going to stand with these people and we’re going to see healing.  It is time, God has promised; He’s the same yesterday, today and forever and so we are really stepping out there and we’re beginning see some healings and we’re just not going to stop.  This is where; this is what I believe is going to bring the Jewish people to know that Yeshua is truly the Messiah.

Sid:  But the pressure that is going on right now, what is going on in these Muslim nations all around you?

Shira:  Look, as you I’m sure have heard, the young people, the students, the educated, they’re seeing facebook, they’re seeing internet, their seeing email, and they are seeing a different lifestyle that they didn’t use to be able to see.  They see that there’s freedom and the people in many countries that are Democratic they’re not tortured; they’re not thrown in jail for protesting.  And so these people are yelling freedom, freedom, freedom, they want freedom and I think that they genuinely do.  The problem is that if that these authoritarian dictators go down, what’s going to move in?  It’s going to be the ultra extremist Muslim organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood.

Sid:  Yeah, but in the west we sugarcoat them, who are they really, who is the Muslim Brotherhood?

Shira:  This is the best explanation I’ve heard.  Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood have the exactly the same goals; the goal is to raise up a Caliphate across the world where the world is dominated by Shira law.  That is the goal of both of these.

Sid:  So what’s your saying is these more moderate Arab nations where as these young kids, idealistic and they want the best for their country are going to end up even worse than they are right now.

Shira:  That is true, what the Shira law, you know if you convert to another religion under Shira law you are beheaded that’s what happens; it’s a death sentence and all of these things you know, cutting off the hands of thieves and killing adulters and all of that.  That is that is the law, and that’s what they’re wanting to do.  So I think that Egypt is one of the best examples, you see these young people that were down in Tahrir Square you know that everybody saw and they were wanting freedom, freedom, freedom.  But what in the latest elections the certain local elections there in Egypt, guess what, the Muslim Brotherhood won the elections and slowly they’re going to take over; as I said, the goal of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood is same.  The difference is Al Qaeda comes in with their guns blazing; the Muslim Brotherhood believe that they can take over through elections and that’s the difference.

Sid:  Well, okay I can see the handwriting it doesn’t look good for Israel outside of God, but God.  What in the world is going to cause a prosperous US Jew to want to do what the scripture say were supposed to do and that is immigrate to Israel?  What in the world would cause us to want to go there with the big mess that you’ve just painted for us and anyone that reads the newspaper knows?

Shira:  Well, if we read the prophet, it’s not just Israel that’s going to have lots of problems; it’s all the nations of the world!  I mean to me personally as an individual who is wanting to hear from God in whatever I can to me Japan is a wake up, a wake up sign; I mean that country has been devastated out of nowhere…

Sid:  Do you see that as a forerunner what’s going to happen to other nations? 

Shira:  I think, listen just like I think it’s impossible that it would happen to Japan, but it did; so why Japan?  Japan, I don’t think has been anymore anti-Israel than all the rest of the countries almost.  So yes, “I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you” and almost all…

Sid: So, what’s going to happen to the United States if we do what Joel 3 says will bring a curse and that is “Dividing up the land of Israel,” what’s going to happen to our country?

Shira:  Well, God has a lot of natural disasters at His beckon call, and I mean just in the last couple of months there’s been terrific, terrific disaster in the United States, just natural disasters! 

Sid:  But it seems to be increasing with intensity.

Shira:  Yes.

Sid:  What is going to happen to American Jews because I see the hand writing on the wall in Europe, I see that Islam is spurring anti-Semitism like the world hasn’t seen since the times of Hitler?

Shira:  Yes, well what do you think about this?  What do you think about the Standard and Poor’s declarations that the US economic standard is liable to go down within a couple of years?

Sid:  Well, I think that that anyone with half of a brain recognizes that it must happen short of miracle. 

Shira:  Incredible; you know when Britain turned against Israel and did not keep it’s word my Father use to talk about this a lot, He’d say, “Britain went into World War II with nations that the sun never set on her empire, she came out of World War II with almost nothing and she was very very anti-Israel.  If America loses its economic ability to produce then it’s going to be a second rate country; sooner than later.

Sid:  So, because I see this short window of opportunity that’s why we’ve launched Project 77.  I mean I see God’s mercy, I mean, I see Orthodox Jews that are coming to the Lord, I see the spiritual scales being removed from the eyes of Jewish people; and woe is me at this strategic set time to favor Zion, if we don’t heed that shofar call…

Sid:  Now, my guest Shira Sorka-Ram is red hot for the Messiah, I’m speaking to her at Tel-Aviv Israel where she has been a citizen and lived in Israel for over forty years.  And Shira, I remember many many years ago and you just refreshed my memory that was back in 1973 just before the Yom Kippur War; you had your own Yom Kippur War tell me what happened.

Shira:  Well, I was living in Jerusalem and there was a gal, a Jewish gal from Britain who had come to know the Lord in Britain, so her parents sent her to Israel trusting that she would forget all this stuff about Yeshua if she lived in Israel.  So she came here and somehow, I don’t remember how I met her and she moved in with me and lived with me for some time.  Meanwhile, I went for a trip to the states and when I came back I found that she was engaged to young man also a Messianic Jew.  Well, when her family heard that their daughter was engaged to a Messianic Jew they absolutely blew their top.  And there were other relatives of her, aunts and uncles that were already in Israel besides her own family in Britain.  And so they went to the orthodox newspapers and they said, we have a missionary on the street and she is taking tracks to the western wall and passing them out there, she taking tracks to the University and passing out tracks there to the university students and that she’s got to be stopped.  Well, that appeared in one of the orthodox newspapers and it was an incitement to violence and a couple of days later I heard a big explosion, I was on the third floor of a building where I lived and I opened the door and the whole stairwell was very very badly on fire and I immediately thought I wonder if the place is going to burn down and that was the only way I could get out was through that stair well.  So I called the police and they got there very quickly and there happened to be a newspaper man that was walking by or in his car going by and he stopped. And after they put the fire out he came up in the stairs and said, “What in the world’s going on?”  And I said, “Well, I believe this has happened because of my faith in Yeshua the Messiah.”  Well, the next day in Yediah Denote, which is the #1 newspaper on the back of it it said, showed my picture and said, “I believe in the God of Israel and he speaks to me.” I don’t where he got that from, but something in my conversation and here it was you know that God is speaking to me, but it went from newspaper to newspaper.  I had not actually been to the Western Wall passing out tracks nor had I been to the university, but it got a lot of publicity; in fact it actually went all around the world.

Sid: I know, I read about it in the United States, it made the major newspapers, but “How in the world did your parents put up with their daughter in Israel and a bomb is put in her house to kill her; how could they let you stay there Shira?”

Shira:  Well, listen Sid; I was twenty-seven years old.

Sid:  I don’t care my daughters older than that right now and I want her, if someone’s trying to bomb her.

Shira:  Well, I don’t know I just felt that God would protect me; I felt I was there in His will, and I was there for a purpose.  I began to see this purpose little by little as I stayed in Israel, I certainly didn’t know it at the beginning.  But I simply felt that I was where I was supposed to be and that was it.

Sid:  Shira, you have been in Israel for forty years, but there are many people listening to us that don’t know the history of Israel from just a little bit just before you even got there, I wonder if you’d give us a synopsis?

Shira:  Well, the Holy Land is a Holy Land, everybody knows the Holy Land is a place that God gave to the Jewish people through Abraham, He says “ I give it to you and your descendants forever,” and so Israel had it, but Israel sinned and so the Lord said, “If you sin Israel you will be scattered throughout the whole world, but when you come back to the Lord then I will gather you from the four winds and I will bring you back to your own land.”  Well, if anybody ever wanted to know whether God could keep His promises, here after two thousand years of the Jewish people being tossed out of their own land, even though there were a few Jews always in the Holy Land, most were not here they were scattered around the world.  Now, the Turkish Empire had this land, it was called the Ottoman Empire; had it from 1453 to 1917, that’s over four hundred years.  They ruled all this area, they ruled Egypt, they ruled the Mediterranean area; they ruled all of this area.  But in World War I, Britain and as you know the allies won and so the Ottoman Empire disappeared and the Middle East was divided up between England and France.  And so we have the whole area of the Holy Land, so in 1922 the British wrote a letter to the Jewish people and said, we favor having the Holy Land as a homeland for the Jews, 1922.  However, it wasn’t long before those that came to power in Britain decided not to do that and they divided seventy-six percent of Jordan, of this Holy Land into an area called Jordan.  And then in 1946 folks, 1946 that the year after World War II Jordan became a nation taking seventy-six percent of the whole Holy Land leaving twenty-four percent and so Israel was hoping that the Jews were hoping that they would get land, but then the British decided that they would divide it up again and it became a very nasty messy place because the Arabs were saying we don’t want any Jews here.  The Jew were saying yes, but this is the land that God promises and that you promised it.  So in 1947 the British handed it over to the United Nations, the United Nations divided it up between Israel and the Arabs.  Israel accepted it, the Arabs did not accept it and that is when the wars started; 1948 Israel declared its Independence and we do accept what the United Nations said, the Arabs said “We do not accept what the United Nations said,” and from that time on there has been war over this area of the Holy Land.

Sid:  How in your mind will the Palestinian problem be settled?  In the mind of most of the people in the west, the only way it can be settled is a two state solution of the tiny sliver of land that Israel current has.

Shira:  Right, Sid I don’t think that there is any any solution to this; I just don’t see a solution coming.  I think that it’s going to go on and on and get worse and worse for Israel.  If you want to know what Israel is most afraid of besides Iran, it’s the United Nations because the United Nations pounds away at Israel.

Sid:  Why do they pound away at Israel?  It’s obvious they do it why?

Shira:  Well, it’s very simple.  Around, somewhere around fifty nations are in the Arab League, it’s not exactly that number but around that in the Arab league and they all vote as one group.  And there’s the Muslim countries that are another great huge group and when you put those two together; the Arab League and the Muslim countries they have in almost every situation a majority in the United Nations and they simply run the United Nations. 

Sid:  So what is going to happen in your opinion?

Shira:  Well, this September the Palestinians in the West Bank say that they are going to demand the country of their own country without negotiating with Israel.  Now what that means is their saying, were going to have our own country but we will not recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state.  We will not accept Israel’s claim of defenses that she needs, like certain borders where she can defend herself and so we’re just going to declare our own state and then you know what can happen.  If Hamas takes over the West Bank, which it very likely will, then we will have rockets coming out of the West Bank, just like we have rockets coming out of Gaza all the time. 

Sid:  So what is going to happen, will the world just then legislate a two state solution to avoid this?  I mean the UN looks to me like they really want that state, a Palestinian State.

Shira:  The only person, the only country that could stop this is the United States.

Sid:  But with our current administration, I see that as little likelihood.

Sid:  Speaking about being red hot for the Messiah, I wish you could be a fly on the wall on some of my conversations with Jewish people that have received the Messiah.  I’m thinking of one man in particular; he’s an orthodox Jew, he’s Sephardic; he’s got Hispanic type of accent and he started watching our television show, it’s supernatural.  And he got up enough chutzpah, that’s nerve and he called the guest and the guest lead him to the Lord and prayed with him to be filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in supernatural languages and so then he called me.  And he calls me about once a month and he is so hungry for God.  At the same zeal that he had for Orthodox Judaism he now has for Messianic Judaism and I mean I have never met someone so hungry for God.  And this tells me the times and the seasons were in; we’re in the season in which God is having mercy on Israel once more so that individual Jewish people can have personal relationships with God; where they can hear His voice and fulfill their destiny.  And in the United States God has shown me that we have a window of opportunity and He’s told me; look its obvious and as you hear my guest Shira-Sorko-Ram, who is a living history of the nation Israel, will be talking to her in a moment.  He has shown me what the orthodox Jewish people are saying, “We are in the footsteps of Messiah.”  We can literally hear His steps; “They would say ready to come,” I would say, “Ready to return.”  And that’s why God wants to have mercy on Jewish people, and in the United States I obtained the names and addresses of two million Jewish households.  And God gave me a dream, He told me, “More Jewish people would come to know Him through this book,” He told me what book to do, I put it together and do you know what?  We have mailed 600,000; I wish I had time to tell you the stories of so many, especially Orthodox Jews that this book is affecting; and having an impact on…and then we will seven books to seven Jewish families in the United States.  We are seeding one of the greatest revivals in history.  There is just something special when a Jew and Gentle who know the Messiah come into the love of Messiah and the love for one another.  And there is nothing more exciting than a Muslim and a Jew coming to the Messiah and talk about having shalom on earth, peace on earth.   Shira-Sorka-Ram is there anything neater than a Muslim that has an encounter with the Lord and then loves the Jewish people?

Shira:  You know this is one of the most interesting things that’s happening in Israel for the Muslim people Israel is the freest place on the globe for people to preach and evangelize Muslims.  Because Israel is a Democracy and even the ultra orthodox would be pleased to know that Arabs have become Christians instead of Muslims because they, you know the Muslim fanatism is a worry to the whole world.  There is actually things going on that we can’t give details about, but there are Muslims in the territories that are coming to the Lord in a way that is just absolutely amazing.  In one place I know whole village has come; now what’s going to happen to them, we don’t know.  We had some Jewish people that were going up there and witnessing and teaching them and but now it’s too dangerous for them to go; but here’s a whole little village that has come to the Lord.  They call themselves, Muslims for Yeshua.  They don’t know anything else, what do you call yourself?  But they have truly come and said, “I believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, and I have given my life to Him.”  So, and then there’s works here in Israel also in Israel proper; we actually support one Pastor Yoseph Hadad; his wife came from Lebanon you know when Israel pulled out of Lebanon Sid, there was 7,000 Lebanese soldiers who came along and went with Israel back into our country.  So they’re not all here anymore, but there still a couple of thousand Lebanese Arabs that are here that are nominal Christians.  Okay that’s why they fought with Israel because they were nominal Christians and Yoseph Hadad this pastor has a congregation up in the North and is evangelizing these Lebanese soldiers.  And I think what greater gift could God give to these Lebanese soldiers who fought with Israel, gave up everything; lost their homes; lost their extended family; came here but they’re now getting the word of God here in Israel.

Sid:  This is such a strategic moment in history.

Shira: It is.

Sid:  With, I mean I know you read the Bible every year through, and you’ve done this for many years, I know you have godly parents that now in Heaven that instilled the love for the Jew in Israel in your heart.  And so you have this wonderful heritage, but what is going on right now in your opinion and where are we headed?

Shira:  Right, well I remember back when my Father was still alive in the early ‘70s, someone came to him and said, “What’s going to happen in Israel, what’s going to be the future?” This is early ‘70s and my Father said, “Well according to the Bible, according to the prophets all the prophets, it’s simply going to get worse and worse and worse and worse until Israel sees that there’s no hope outside of the God of Israel; and then God, as they draw near to God, God will show them the way to salvation.”  Now, I don’t think that He’ll do it by you know a puff of wind, I believe that He’s going to use the Body of born Again Messianic Jews in this country and that’s what we’re here for, that’s what we’re doing, the number is growing, but…

Sid:  But what was it like forty years ago when you came to Israel as far as the number of Jewish believers in the Messiah?

Shira:  When I arrived in this country in 1967 I don’t think that there were more than maybe one handful of Israeli, Israeli born believers here in this country.  They just didn’t exist.  There were a few immigrants that had come, some of them from the Holocaust, very traumatized people, but as far as any kind of strong body; there was one congregation in Jerusalem of faithful people; but I mean it was tiny, tiny, tiny there was almost no Jewish believers in the whole country. 

Sid:  Today, what is it like?

Shira:  Today the newspapers are right, that there’s around fifteen thousand Messianic Jews around the country.  And as you probably know, the Orthodox of the Ultra Orthodox do not let the Messianic Jewish people use radio or television; we have no television possibility stations or radio.  Whereas they have multiplied billions of shekels that the government gives them from every possible corner, but they are very afraid of us and they don’t give us the freedom to use TV.  But lately there are more and more items on the news itself that is talking about the Messianic Jews and it’s getting more let’s say objective, then it was in the past; when we were just considered a cult or a bunch of screwballs.  In fact just a week or so ago there was a long I think thirty minute or forty minute broadcast on station Channel #1 of Israel and they even used part of the footage that we ourselves, MAOZ had filmed and we filmed a protest of Ultra Orthodox Jews in Ashdod.  And in Ashdod it was in front of a Messianic Jewish Congregation and this Rabbi set himself up a platform, loud speakers and everything and he started yelling at his 1,000 guys, you know his Ultra Orthodox that they had bussed in.  And he said, “The Messianic Jews are like Hitler. Hitler wanted to destroy us; the Messianic Jews want to destroy us just like the Nazis.  Well, we filmed it.  We sent someone there and we filmed it and the Channel 1 took it and blasted it across the screen and of course Israeli’s were horrified.  So it really showed that we as Messianic Jews obeying the law, paying our taxes are people serving the army.  And while as the Ultra Orthodox do not serve in the army, they don’t pay taxes, they don’t work, they expect the government to give them money to live on so that they can study the rabbinical books.  And I think, I think the tide is slowly, its slow Sid, it’s slow, but it’s still turning.

Sid:  But there is some pretty ferrous persecution of Messianic Jews in the land of Israel.  It’s not as easy as they in the United States; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:   My guest Shira-Sorko-Ram, I have known for many years, personally read her newsletter; I think that it’s the best newsletter from the Middle East.  And she is a walking history because forty years ago, in 1967 she went to Israel and she’s been there for forty years, it happened to be right at the Six Day war.  And then they had the Independence Day Celebration, I’ve been in Israel for Independence Day, everyone goes out in the streets and they act just a little Mischugah.  Is that right Shira-Sorko-Ram, a little crazy?

Shira:  Well, it’s completely Israel; it’s not like anything else.  You know the soldiers and the people get out in the streets and they dance in circles, especially up in Jerusalem; yeah it’s a happy time, but it’s not like a bad time; they’re not doing crazy things like you know, the carnivals.

Sid:  No, but what I’m saying is that they get so excited, I mean it’s a happening is what I’m saying. 

Shira:  Right.

Sid:  So, you were talking about that first celebration just after the Western Wall was in Jewish hands for the first time in how long?

Shira:  Well, since 70 AD.

Sid:  Wow.

Shira:  Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jewish people, that’s a long, long time; nineteen hundred years.

Sid:  So the euphoria must have been over the top at that time!

Shira:  It was, it was and some of the things that people would say I couldn’t help but be excited about it even though I knew it wasn’t going to happen the way they thought.  They were saying things like this, “The Jewish people have now shown the Arabs that the Arab’s can’t win.  So this is going to be the last war; these are the days of the Messiah, this is the last war, there’s never going to be another war because Arabs know they can’t win.  And there were these little stickers that everybody had on their cars and it said, kol hakavod l’tsahal which means all the honor goes to the army and I knew that (HA) I knew that wasn’t a very smart thing to say; And let me jump six years ahead in 1973 when the terrible Yom Kippur surprise war came against Israel.  You didn’t see any more all honor to the army, the sign changed.  The stickers were different, they said, “Israel trust in God,” that was big difference.  But the euphoria lasted for six years, it lasted from ’67 to ’73 when the terrible Yom Kippur surprise war when the Arab countries attacked Israel.

Sid:  Were you living there, I know that you were living there, but were you there at the time of the ’73 war?

Shira:  I was not, my Father had passed away and so I was in the states with my family at that time.  Now when the war took place oh, I was absolutely stunned as everybody was because it was a complete surprise.  And I wanted to get back there; I wanted to get back into Israel, but my family asked me that I stay a little bit longer with them.  So I went back about three months later and the country was completely different Sid.

Sid:  In what way?

Shira:  People were depressed, stunned; from that time on even violence in the country went up.  And back in 1967; yeah there were sometimes somebody would break into a car and steal, but I mean you never heard of murder or violence; it just didn’t happen; it was remarkable.  And I came from Dallas where you couldn’t even walk down the street back in 1967 at night in certain parts of the city.  But in Jerusalem you could walk anywhere at any time, it was a really interesting change in culture.   But ‘73 happened and our country, Israel started going downhill, it’s never recovered since then.

Sid:  Now looking, remembering what Israel was like forty years ago and looking at Jerusalem, looking at Tel Aviv would you have ever thought it would make that kind of transition?

Shira:  No, it’s completely impossible to figure how this has happened.  Here is Israel surrounded completely by those who want to destroy the country and yet the economy booms, skyscrapers are going up; the shekel, our money is stronger than the dollar.  I mean can you imagine?

Sid:  Now, listen I wish all of my money was in shekels rather than dollars; I know what’s going on with the Israeli shekel.  With all of the deal with Iran and all these nations I mean nothing has changed; it’s still an impossible situation and yet Israel was prospering!

Shira:  It’s a start up nation; it’s a start up nation!  It has more start ups per a person than anything country in the world!  It’s a remarkable sign to me that God has not left the Jewish people; they, I know that the Jewish people are brilliant, but they’re not that brilliant!   I mean is amazing that this nation is growing, it is so much higher standard of living than any nation around it and yet it has to defend itself against total destruction every moment of every day.

Sid:  Now, going back to the Yom Kippur war in 1973, I have heard many accounts of miraculous things that occurred for Israel to have won that war!

Shira:  Oh, it is, it is! I think that the war lasted nineteen days.  And you know Syria was on its way into Northern Galilee.  The Jordanians actually stayed out of the war; that which was very smart of them by the way; but Egypt attacked and came up the Sinai and it could have gone either way.  It could have gone either way when you have those two large armies doing a pincher act against Israel; it is amazing and miraculous!  There’s many, many stories; there is one fellow that had a, that was in a tank going up the Golan Heights and his unit all the rest of the tanks were knocked out by the Syrians and he took this tank and zig zagged it up the Golan Heights.  And it was at night so that the Syrians thought it was several tanks you know; they couldn’t imagine that this is one tank it was finally blown out.  He found a couple of other tanks twice and he changed tanks and went zig zagging all over the place you know with his tank and knocking positions of the Syrians out and he is today one of the Israel’s greatest heroes.  I do not believe this man could have done this without the hand of God, because the Syrians were coming down the Golan Heights, they were ready to take over the Galilee.  And you know what that would have been, that would have been a slaughter of all the Jewish people in the Galilee area, which did not happen.

Sid:  To me, the greatest reality that our God is interested in us as individuals is the creation of modern day Israel and the survival of modern day Israel.

Shira:  Yes!

Sid:  I mean there is no other explanation to why Israel exists so that begs the question; here you have Iran; Iran wants to nuke, its very obvious wants to nuke Israel.  How do you live under that pressure?  As a believer I know how you live, but how does a nonbeliever live under that pressure?

Shira:  I want you to know that Israeli’s are very very fearful, they know what Iran is saying she’s going to do.  Iran, Ahmadinejad is talking exactly like Hitler did, exactly.  And back in Hitler’s day this is what Israel says, the nations did not take him seriously and their not taking Ahmadinejad seriously, when he says that he’s going to wipe Israel out; and so there’s great fear, there is great great fear over this.

Sid:  As a believer, you’re obviously concerned; do you believe he’s going to nuke Israel?

Shira:  Well, Israel is very tiny, so I don’t see that God is going to let Ahmadinejad nuke Israel; I just don’t see how that can happen because it would knock the country out you know with the radiation and everything else.

Sid:  You know Shira; I’m much more concerned about the United States than Israel, because the Bible does talk about what happens to nations that divide the land of Israel.  You know were out of time right now.

Sid:  Well, I have on the telephone from Tele Aviv, Israel Shira Sorko Ram.  As far as I’m concerned Shira and her husband Ari put out a newsletter from Israel.  There organization is called, Maoz.  Shira, Maoz means strength.

Shira:  That is correct.

Sid:  And I image a lots of people get your newsletter and don’t know even what Maoz means.

Shira:  No.

Sid:  Now what is behind, why would you pick Maoz, that word for your ministry?

Shira:  We took it from the scripture, the Lord is my strength.  And the word for strength is Maoz.  It means fortress or strength and so we said, “That’s what we’re going to have to have in order to make any type of impact in Israel.”

Sid:  Well, you should know because forty years ago in 1967 you emigrated from the United States to Israel.  Now let’s be candid, most American Jews haven’t even been to Israel let alone are thinking of Aliyah or becoming citizens of Israel.  And forty years ago there was probably even less talk about that.  What caused you to leave the wonderful American lifestyle and go to Israel?

Shira:  Well, we were getting ready, my family and I were going to have a tour here and so we were planning to get here in October 1967 and while we were planning that the six day war took place when in six days Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jewish people.  Judea and Samaria, Gaza, the Golan Heights, even the Sinai Desert, they all came back into the hands of the Jewish people.  And so that raised an interest in my mind because I was saying this is a sign of the last days.  Jerusalem coming back into the hands of the Jewish people is a sign of the last days.  And so that’s when I began to think a little bit stronger about coming to Israel.  Now also I know that this a fact that when I got here many young Jewish men and woman from the United States immigrated at that time.  There was a big immigration of young people from the States.  I don’t know if it has ever been like that since, but there was just a number of thousands of American Jews who came at that time because of the excitement of Jerusalem coming back into the hands of the Jewish people. 

Sid:  But you went by yourself, am I right?

Shira:  Well, I came over on the tour and I was getting ready to go back on the tour and we were standing out in front of a hotel, that was it getting ready to get on the bus to go to the airport and the bus came late.  And meanwhile I was talking to my Father because I had been working in documentary films and my Father said, “You know this is remarkable what’s happening in Israel.  I mean, even the people themselves are saying “The days of Messiah are here,” people that did not know who the Messiah was, but they still said, “Something’s happening.”  So he said, “Why don’t you make a documentary film about what God is doing in Israel by bringing the land back into the hands of the Jewish people.  And so because that bus was late, I decided I would stay here for a few days and then I decided a few weeks, and then a few months and at that time I was hooked, I was here.

Sid:  But what did your parents think about you being, I mean that you’re young, your single, you’re there in Israel by yourself.  What did your parents think about that?

Shira:  My father is a man of prayer; he was a man of prayer he has gone on to his reward now.  But he loved Israel and he prayed for Israel all the time; wrote about Israel, and I do believe that I’m here.  My life is spent here in Israel, because of the prayers and the love that my Father had for Israel.  So yes I’m here,

Sid:  Okay what was it like forty years ago in Israel?

Shira:  Totally amazing, I can remember the first Independence Day after the Six Day War.

Sid:  Now at that time, they hit you on the head with those little funny hammers that were plastic?

Shira:  They had the hammers.

Sid:  I’ve been out there in the streets when that happens.

Shira:  Oh it’s terrible, but any way…

Sid:  It doesn’t hurt, but okay. 

Shira:  I was living in Jerusalem at that time, I lived in Jerusalem for six years after you know getting there in 1967 and everything is new to me.  Everything is new, I didn’t know what to expect.  But on the Independence Day, which was in the May of 1968 okay, so it’s the first Independence Day of Israel when Jerusalem was back in the hands of the Jewish people. 

Sid:  That had to be so exciting. 

Shira:  Well here’s what happened, I went out of my house and I saw people everywhere moving in a certain direction which was towards the Western Wall, you know, the new Western Wall as far as Israel is concerned.  So I followed and there were thousands of people, they were all making their way to the direction of the Western Wall.  Well it filled up very fast, but outside of the city gates of Jaffa around the old city there were, I don’t know maybe 50,000 people and I stood there and they all started singing this song which all Jewish people know, “Jerusalem of Gold,” And they started singing Jerusalem Jerusalem of Gold and you could image how it sounded for 50,000 people sponteously singing about Jerusalem, it was earthshaking I have to say.

Sid:  I can feel it as your saying that.  So you’re swept with this crowd, there looking at the Western Wall for the first time in Jewish possession, what a moment!  You had no doubt that you were suppose to be there at that point I’m sure. 

Shira:  Oh, it was a euphoria that lasted in Israel for about six years.  It lasted from 1967 six day war until 1973 the Yom Kippur War when the Arabs did a surprise attack on Israel and 2,000 soldiers were killed.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, but there is so much history in Shira-Sorko-Ram that I want to get it out in this interview…

Sid:  My guest Leif Hetland, if you’d been listening to him all this week you are so red hot for the Messiah.  But Leif I have to ask you something, is this love, this Sonship, people could take it to another extreme and make it a license to sin?

Leif:  Yeah, and I hear many people are asking me that question, and first thing I often say is that Jesus for three years, who only said what the Father was saying, did what the Father was doing; he lived as a Son and eventually Simon said, “Who do you say I am?” “You are Christ, you are an anointed Son.”  So the identity of Jesus, He lived the life as a Son, but He did not sin.  So first I just want to say, the old orphan with me, I must be holy to have God’s favor and then I this will increase my sense of shame and guilt.  So what I did in my old orphan heart was that I feel I need to be holy, I need to do these things and then God is going to be happy.  The new, when I became a Son and had a baptism of love, I want to be holy, I don’t want to do anything that hinder intimate relationship with Poppa God.  So as an example with my wife, I have a beautiful wife named Jennifer and I travel all over the world and there’s been all kinds of temptation and opportunity and I’m saying that it is easy for me to say no if I have a big enough yes.  I believe love is greater than fear, I can be fearful that I’m going to get caught or fear can be my motivating, but I have realized that there is something much greater than fear, it works maybe on the penalty system, but it doesn’t cure the hearts of the people.  Love cures the hearts of the people, so I do not believe that it’s a license to sin.  Now people do not need a license to sin anyway even if they are religious or rebellious.  But I believe that subtly because of relationship and you become sensitive to Father God; you become very sensitive and you recognize what Jesus did on the cross for you.  When you recognize the sensitivity of the Spirit, I don’t want to do anything to offend, even in my staff.  We’ve had some tension lately and there have been thing.  I stop with tears and I realized that I carried and offense because it harms relationship, I would rather have relationship than being right and then you humble yourself.  And so if there is even a small sin I want relationships with my wife, with my children, with my staff, with my Poppa God and I want to be able to love other people and now the sensitivity of the Spirit I think is so much greater motivation to live in righteousness then it is to be drawn towards sins.  Anyone that do that, I think there are some major love deficits that needs to be filled up.

Sid:  Give me an example of someone that has sat through your course on healing the orphan spirit and you’ve prayed for an impartation of supernatural love, tell me about one person.

Leif:  It is almost difficult to think about one because I automatically can see masses and masses and thousands and thousands.  But I could go in and one of the people that I keep seeing was Paul and that was so dramatically changed that had been a missionary.  He was burned out, they lived in poverty, they had been struggling and striving.  And in their marriage they were tired, they were weary, they were worn out and he had this encounter.  He just laid down and he just wept and he wept as this liquid love came all over him.  When he was finished with this experience with Poppa God he became a Son and he became a beloved Son from that very place.  Not just his finances, not just his marriage, not just his ministry and his mission, everything had literally.  And I’m not saying that it happened in one moment, this now five years into his journey, but it happened automatically there was a shift and change and things started happening.  And I still remember even, “Daddy Leif, do you know somebody gave me a car?”  And he had been praying for a car, “I said somebody gave you a car?”  He said, “Yes, somebody gave me a car.”  Later on somebody gave him another car, and said, “Daddy Leif, why didn’t this happen before? why didn’t God…”  As orphans, you have to strive and stress for everything, we are Sons and Daughters.  I am not saying some people that are listening are going to get a car.  But I just love the testimony when I saw his face and he was just sharing, “Wow, look what Poppa’s doing.”  I mean he has always been extravagant, there’s all these things that has been available in my account, but there is only one key to the Masters account and that is Sonship.  That is the key and that is also the key to covenant relationship with one another.  That’s how we become a family and then we can say, “Our Father which art in Heaven.”  “Then we can say Your kingdom come Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.” So literally there’s thousands and thousands of testimonies; this one is the easiest for me because it is probably the area I see the most testimony.  I could tell many stories where we had mass healings of people that are lost.  That all I got to say is Poppa, I’ve done it over and over again and people have watched the whole environment changes, they are not even saved yet, but mass healing has taken place and then we lead them to Jesus.  But all I need to do is, if you just honor Him as a Father and we are saying it together that’s all it takes, you are coming not as an orphan begging, striving, hoping that God, you are going to twist His arm, but instead you are coming.  Even before they are saved and the result of the mass salvations took place.

Sid: I would like you to give them a little down payment, if you will on the two CD’s that were making available called “Healing the Orphan Spirit.”  Would you pray for an impartation of Daddy’s Love?

Leif:  I would love to that.  Father I just, you are a good Poppa; I thank you that you are in a good mood.  I thank you that you are smiling, not frowning and every person that is listening, when you are looking at them, even if there is sin in their life, I thank you Father for what I believe is Your goodness is going to connect with any evil, any darkness Your light is going to penetrate and if there is people that don’t even know Your precious Son of Jesus I just ask that you overcome evil good.  The goodness of God would lead to repentance, so I’m asking for a goodness revolution to just touch people that are watching where they are overwhelmed by Your goodness in so much time where there is so many dark clouds, let Your sunshine through.  And I want to pray the prayer that I know changed my life in the year 2000 and that is “That you are Mine and that you are My Beloved.  The Father says, this is Daddy, Father God, He says that you are Mine, you are My Beloved.” Just pray that with me the people that are listening, “You are mine.  Say “I am His, I am Daddy’s.

Sid:  I am His, I am Daddy’s.

Leif:  I am His beloved Son or Daughter.

Sid:  I am His beloved Son.

Leif:  My Poppa loves me.

Sid:  My Poppa loves me.

Leif:  He likes me.

Sid:  He likes me.

Leif:  I’m His happy thought.

Sid:  I’m His happy thought.

Leif:  He is for me not against me.

Sid:  He is for me not against me.

Leif:  I receive Your love.

Sid:  I receive Your love.

Leif:  I receive Your healing.

Sid:  I receive Your healing.

Leif:  I receive the Spirit of Sonship.

Sid:  I receive the Spirit of Sonship.

Leif:  So I can say Abba.

Sid:  So I can say Abba.

Leif:  Daddy.

Sid:  Daddy.

Leif:  Father

Sid:  Father.

Leif:  Just feel it is coming now.  Ha-ha.  It’s the dove, it’s the presence it’s coming over you right now.  Whoa.

Sid:  Well Leif, there is actually people that have hearing problems; their ears are being opened, but not just in the natural.  In the natural, but also in the supernatural;  some of you are going to hear God’s voice clearer than you ever have before.  What else is God doing Leif?

Leif:  I’m also seeing here, first of all there a lot of fear, anxiety that’s been about jobs, marriages, different things, but I sense that it is mainly like a tightness in the chest and then some of it has been measured, a lot I even feel like just a lot of pain, it goes up from the head and it goes down the neck area.  But it has just been released the tightness of the chest, but it is a fear.  “He said, I have not given you a spirit of fear, but I have given you a Spirit of Love because you are loveable, I have given you a Spirit of Power, because you are powerful, and I have given you sound mind.  So the soundness to people’s mind and I just got that in my spirit, He said, your mind suddenly, wow you can think clearly.  The offense is gone, so I am going to go and ask forgiveness, or release forgiveness, something was the soundness of the mind and fear gone when love moved in and suddenly the power came.  Power, your powerful, the power came upon you.

Sid:  And I’m also believing right now that God is showing something is going on with eyes. Some of you that have problems in your eyes or vision problems, or even blindness, you are healed in Yeshua’s Name.”  But, deeper than that, you’re going to be able to start seeing in the Spirit.  One last thought, on what it’s like to be a Son, Leif.

Leif:  It is restful, it is peaceful, it is powerful, it is just secure, it is secure in the middle of all the insecurity.  Living your life as a Son, and that’s the freedom because the dove is there and it will remain there.  So I just want to encourage people.  People call me an apostle of love, they call me doctor Leif, they have all these titles for me, but that is not how I live my life.  Not even being a fatherless movement or pasturing or networking churches or author, no!  I focus my life as a Son and when I do that there’s always peace, there is provision…

Sid:  And I want those that are listening to us right now to focus your life as a Son to walk in this kind of love.

Sid:  My guest, Leif Hetland it’s an understatement he is red hot for the Messiah, and we are talking about something that plagued him even as a Baptist Pastor.  He had an orphan Spirit and he didn’t even know it.  But when he got free, the glory of God set him free, he began to understand the love of the Father, it transformed his life, but it’s not just that it transformed his life and his family’s life, its transforming churches when he shares this.  Tell me the experience you had at Pastor Bob Phillips church.

Leif:  Yes, Pastor Bob Philips had met me at a healing school with Randy Clark and while we were there I was able to give an impartation to his staff.  So he said that I would really like you to come to Houston, TX and I want you to share with our church.  And he’s the Senior Pastor of The Encourager Church and he serves on a lot different boards and so Dr. Bob Philips, he wanted me to release this message and bring a whole environment of family in.  And so we had some amazing services and he actually described it because he is visiting me now, because he described a whole environment of our churches.  It is one thing to have a visitation and we’ve had powerful anointing and gifting and impartations and power, but he said, “Something changed in the whole environment of our people, the very DNA of our people and it lingered it continued to stay upon the people.”  So the message that I came in with was both the Baptism of Love and it’s kind of people asked me, “Are you married?”  And I said, “Well, I think so.” Now if I cannot say yes, I’m married and my wife, her name is Jennifer we’ve been married for twenty-two years, I have four children.  If you have these uncertainties you probably have not had this baptism of love experience that I’m talking about.  It is like, Baptism of the Holy Spirit and so we released that over so there is no longer fear in the room.  That is the first thing, it is a Baptism of Love, you’re My Beloved Son.  Second thing was healing the orphan spirit and get rid of the pain and some of the things that took place.  And the third thing was the glory of God came into that place, even to the extent that people went to different places; Dr. Bob Philip and Juan Carlos who’s leading the God’s Spirit in Mexico today.  They went to Mexico, met with 2,500 young people, the same presence that was on them in that meeting came into the room and just changed the environment there in Mexico.  There was an impartation just of the environment and was a family environment, it was a love environment, fear was moved away.  They brought me to Mexico as an example and I was down there and it was taped all over the Latin world and I gave an impartation of love, healing the orphan spirit.  There was screams all over, it was televised, but it touched all over Mexico and something changed in the environment there.  So we are not talking about a visitation, but our lives, marriages, fear.  When fear moves out, perfect love cast away all fear.  So when the healing of the orphan spirit there’s screams, they’re yelling; some from childhood, some from the abuses, some from the shame, but also with all the drug cartels and what they were going through.  Many of them was up they’re husband has been killed, they’re pastor has been dismissed; there was so much pain in the room.  And we had gone with the anointing, powers and healing, but there was something that was missing.  But when that orphan spirit left and they got a glorious encounter with Poppa God something changes.  It is not just they started out there as the Encourager Church.  But that impartation of that went to a young explosion meeting where all the youth was out in the spirit, several of them were taken up to Heaven and they’re some amazing testimonies.  That move again, they asked me to come down and do their annual leadership conference from all over Mexico and plus it was taped all over Latin world.  And one example, while I released the love, one from Argentina that watched on line says, “That it was all over the world, Spain and all over people were watching, but it was like liquid love that came into the room he said; and the waves just continue and it has been going on four twenty-four hours.”  So he was one to testify and he’s been set totally free.  So the love started to touch even over technology, the sounds of love that came in there just continue and it’s just like liquid love.

Sid:  So liquid love is the best way to get rid of fear, to get rid of shame, to get rid of that orphan spirit.

Leif:  Yes, I say the Baptism of love is what changed.  I really feel that the biggest breakthrough I saw was with my friend, Bill Johnson and Randy Clark doing a healing school at Hosanna Lutheran Church.  And it has been five years ago now this Spring and when we were up there to Filipinos,  but all over the place, but two Filipinos they came up to me and they said, “Can you give us a “Father’s Blessing?” And they wept, because we are orphans, when they heard about orphan spirit.  But all over the place people stood in long line and they cried out because this orphan spirit that started to manifest.  I released the Father’s Blessing, they came up to me afterwards, showed me their hands; oil was coming out of their hands and that is Dr. Paul and Amir Auto, the President of Destiny Ministry International.  I didn’t know who they were, just two people in a conference, but a Father’s Blessing was given and the Father said, “I believe in you, you are valuable, you’re beautiful Father God I released what He saw about them and I started to release the destiny over their life.” They went back and since then revival started to break loose with a lot of signs wonders and miracles.

Sid:  Tell me the story about the feathers.

Leif:  So what happens, I went down the first time to the Philippians to their 500 leaders and it was actually literally wind that came in and blew over chairs in that meeting when the love came in.  But the second time I didn’t even know, I mean this is maybe the Baptist in me Sid, but I didn’t know that I was prophesying.  But in the middle of my message that I was preaching about I suddenly just, I didn’t know I did it, but I just stopped and said you are moving from an organization an orphanage, a church and you’re becoming a family.  When I said that I didn’t know and I have several key American leaders with me sitting on the first row, three big orange feathers just from nowhere just started to soar above my head and they just continued to float.  They continued to float long enough to when everybody in the audience, nobody listened to what I had to say.  And I’m thinking this is pretty rude, I’m sharing powerful message, I didn’t know, I was the last one to know that something was happening.  And then finally one called and said, “Daddy Leif look, look over your head,” and the feathers was there and I had those feathers with me; I carry them with me as a memory stone.  The Filipino’s they said, “What did Daddy Leif say when the feathers came?”  They learned about stewardship of the supernatural that is a sign that makes you wonder, what does this make us wonder about?  So they found a DVD and they saw that when the feather’s came and they said, “You are moving from being an organization, an institution, an orphanage, a church and you are becoming a family.”  And when the family was said, they said, “How does family look like?” was their question, and they started go into the presence of God to see how was it between a Father, Son and Spirit; that’s how we’re suppose to operate here.  And the next time I came I was blown away because everybody was family.  They operated like family, they gave like family, they love like family, it was a family, I didn’t visit an orphanage, I visited a family and since then the families on the earth has been blessed all over the world as a result of that ministry.

Sid:  You know so many, families, husband, wife, and children are run, as you put it, like an orphanage, because they’re all love starved, they’re all orphans.  So many churches are run as spectator sport where you go; you are invisible, you get feed, and then you leave, but that’s not what God meant.  Tell me what’s it’s like to have a church that’s a family rather than an orphanage.

Leif:  Well, first of all the first thing I recognize, I just need to, they are my heroes in the Philippians because I came to them as how did you do that?  What I feel here what I said, “You taught us that us Daddy Leif.”  “What did I teach you?” I gave them my notebook and what I did was observing a prototype of something that was from Heaven that was manifested on earth. One of the things that I saw, there was no punishment, I am not saying that there was not discipline, but there was no punishment.  There was no fear in the atmosphere.  I saw the supernatural what was natural.  I saw the way that they took care of one another, I saw that over ninety percent of any issues that was automatically gone.  I saw that when you are coming there it is not what I can get, because that is the orphans, but what can I give.  When they were coming there they were there to add value, not to receive value.  I saw, I mean that there was a major shift in the way that they were viewing…

Sid:  What you’re telling me, is the entire atmosphere changed.

Leif:  Yes.

Sid:  And when that atmosphere changes how is easy is it for people receive miracles, for people to be delivered, for people to be healed?

Leif:  Yeah, as I say we last year, a team just came back last week, but last year three of the meetings, every person was healed in the meeting and nobody know who prayed for whom.

Sid:  Every person?

Leif:  Every person, it was the only time in my life or ministry, I don’t say that it is normal, but it just happened in three meetings where every kind of disease just left and it was just the presence, and it was the family and it was the love and nobody knows who prayed for whom in a sense that it was not because I was there or somebody was anointed and gifted.  This was the nameless and the faceless move, it is a family; it is Sons and Daughters that is only doing what Poppa is doing.  And everyone carries, we are different from anointing and gifting, but that’s how you live in interdependence, they are not independent.  They need one another, they add value to one another, they honor one and another and it is just a phenomenal feel but it creates an environment where it seems like Heaven is coming down, not just to visit but it creates an environment where creative miracles is taking place, tumors are disappearing, and it is very very attractive as I say for God to come because He don’t want to come to be a visitor again and another program. He wants His family, He wants to habitation, not the visitation and that’s the environment.  So the supernatural seems so natural, it seems so easy and I feel why do we make it so difficult, including in my life that is supposed to be the Father of this movement?  I’m learning and I’m saying, wow this seems so easy, so simple.

Sid:  Boy, I can just feel such a velvety presence of the Holy Spirit, can’t you feel that?  Now Leif Hetland gives these seminars all over where he prays for the impartation of the Father’s blessing.  He prays for impartation of supernatural love.  He prays to have you healed of an orphan spirit.  He prays that you would be free from the perhaps you had a father that was absent or abusive, or just cold.  He prays for you to experience intimacy with God.