Sid:  But there’s something that is preventing you from walking in the intimacy of a true Son of God.  You’re born again, you will go to Heaven, but there is something missing in your walk.  And that’s why all this week I’ve been speaking to Leif Hetland about an orphan spirit.  Leif, for those that are just tuning in, explain what an orphan spirit is and perhaps how to recognize if you have an orphan spirit.

Leif:  An orphan spirit is a primary identity of someone that is living the life without a home.  And what I mean by that you can have a 10,000 sq. foot house, but still not have a place of home, a place of security, we were made for that.  Every single person in this world God wants us to have security, a place of love, unconditional love because if there’s love deficits in your life you are going to look for love somewhere else; a place of value because to God, I mean you are fearfully and wonderfully made even before you were in his mother’s womb He knew you.  There’s something in each person that there is a value, but orphan’s don’t find that value because the orphan spirit is looking for value in what they are doing or they are judging themselves because they are never going to do enough; they don’t have a place from where the Father they have value.  And they don’t have a proper purpose in life that is from Heaven towards earth.  Orphans would live towards inheritance; either you will find it through massive striving, lack of peace, very self-reliant.  Orphans would have an incredible independent spirit and there’s two ways that I see an orphan spirit and you can recognize if you have one.  Are you comfortable with love?  Are you comfortable with intimacy?  If you are not comfortable and that is the major thing that I recognize in the same also with a different relationship, husbands and wives.  The orphan spirit will blame, the orphan spirit will say well, he did or she did, I didn’t do it, me, me, me that is either manifested in I me, me, me or pointing the fingers to other people playing the blame game.  So I think there’s a root here of restlessness, a root here where you do not have and an A+ on the Father’s report card.  You have not heard the voice that Jesus heard that He wants all of us to have that you are my Beloved Son or my Beloved Daughter.

Sid:  Okay, that leads to the next question, explain to me what Sonship really means.

Leif:  Sonship is also getting back to identity like Jesus was a Son of the Father and you will find that all throughout and that’s why the Jewish faith is so beautiful and you will find it because they define family; Abraham, Isaac, Jacob; but it has to do with family.  A son is somebody that has the identity of a father, have a heart of a father and are living the life in intimacy and relationship with the father is in proper relationship.  One of the Bible terminologies is the Spirit of Adoption, but you’re now part of God’s family; of the Father’s family; He is your Poppa; you are a Son or a Daughter and He is Our Father, but to be Our Father He is my Poppa.   He is your Poppa so you have a Daddy, a Father and you have been affirmed by the Father and that’s the key to being affirmed by the Father and anointed by the Spirit then you can be lead into the wilderness to be tested and come out with a testimony.  A son is somebody that has lived there life like they have a home, they have inheritance; all that Poppa has is mine so that when I am facing difficulties or challenges in life I’ll just say “Well, I’ve got a big big Poppa I’ve got small problems.  But if you got a little Poppa you’ve got big problems.  So that’s it, it is a relationship issue between a Father and a Son it is not a gender thing I am using now.  I’m just using the language like the guys, we are going to be called the bride of Christ for eternity; so this is just a language of a position that we have with Father God.

Sid:  Explain to me at the moment your eyes were opened and you were healed of an orphan spirit.

Leif:  I was lying on a floor and then as Jernigan had just sang a Father’s song over me and I heard the Father’s voice saying, “You are my beloved Son Leif, whom I am well pleased.”  The liquid love that flowed up and down and when I came up from that very floor one of the first things, I just started to weep.  I couldn’t weep, I couldn’t cry before because as Norwegians we don’t do that, just women cry, but not men; and now I weep all the time.

Sid:  Was that the first time you were ever able to freely weep?

Leif:   Yeah, I would say so because I shut down my emotion; I didn’t show a lot of affection; I was afraid of intimacy.  And so there was a lot of issues so when I came as an example home to my wife I just repented, I said, “I’m so sorry,” because there was areas where I had not been able to demonstrate love that I hadn’t been able to express love.  That I hadn’t been able to affirm her, I went to my children many times.  I remember one picture the Spirit gave me was my son came into me and said, “Daddy Daddy did you see my new shoes?  And I was, “Yeah, yeah, yes son I know it’s okay, but I’m working my sermon right now.”  And I just started to think about it and I just started to weep again so I went to my children and I said I’m so sorry for you are more valuable than my sermon, you are more…I mean I wept pretty much for two months afterwards because I started to think about all of these experiences where I had operate as an orphan and to fare financially speaking, the pleasures and everything else.  Jesus didn’t seem to have those pressures because He only did what the Father was doing.   He said what the Father was saying; He lived His life like a Son, He has an inheritance.  “Son all that I have is yours,” became an expression He told me a couple of months later, “All that I have is yours.” And I’m like wow, “Does that mean all?”  “Yeah, all that I have is yours.”

Sid:  The people listening to us right now, they’re dealing with fears of all kinds, they’re dealing with a father that had a lack of being able to show affection or even worse did things to them, or abandoned them, they’re filled with fear, they’re filled with shame, what’s the best way to get rid of this?

Leif:  The biggest thing is to come Home, to come Home.  First of all I want to remind all of us including myself, I had a great father, a good father, he didn’t do any of these horrific things and I literally have talked to thousands of people.  For ten years this has been a primary message, what I am seeing here with let’s come home to Father God.  He will never hurt you, He will not abuse you, He is not distant, He is not angry, He is inviting us like He did with the prodigal son to come home, you don’t have to be in the distant land, you don’t have to be in the pigpen or you don’t have to be out in the field you can come home.  That’s the first things is and what I mean with that is just to come to Poppa God and just getting a revelation of His love towards you, because when I started to get a revelation of the Father’s love towards me and not just that He loves me, but even likes me; He delights in me, I’m His happy thought.  The second element and there is a healing and that is I’m asking the area in my life that is not comfortable with love, because those areas are not comfortable with God for God to pour His love.  And that was including Derrick Prince and newsletter in February 9, 1998.  He had a great healing, deliverance, all this ministry, but he had that orphan spirit so he described that experience that he always all of his life.  We know Derrick Prince, but he had this little dark cloud, he had this struggle with oppression and when that happened to him he experiencing the love.  And he described in his February 9^th, 1998 of his love experience and all this healing took place.  So I’m not saying that you’re always finished with it, but as soon as I start to think like an orphan or feel overwhelmed by finances I am just climbing up on my Poppa’s lap being His little boy and then suddenly finding my security, my love value, my purpose in Him and being a Son.

Sid:  What if someone says, “I see an area where I’m not comfortable with love, what should they do about that?”

Leif:  First thing is just asking Father God to pour His love into those areas, because perfect love casts will take away fear.  I’ll give you one example, because I go a lot into some of the darkest Muslim nations in the world and I use to have a lot of fear doing it.  And the way it cured was that I was bitten by a Pit Bull when I was young and I’ve always been afraid and fearful of Pit Bulls.  If a Pit Bull was to attack a little kitty cat and I know maybe some of the listeners would react.  But if I asked, “What do you think I will do?”  And I need to be honest, I would do nothing.  “Do you know why?” Because the fear that I have for the dog is greater than the love that I have for the cat.  But now if my daughter was there I would have no fear at all.  Why? Because the love that I have for my daughter is greater than the fear that I have for the dog.  I spent three months just receiving love, coming to Poppa and I said, “Poppa I want you to love on me because the love has to come from Him, go through Him and back to Him.  It is not something we make up or we try.  I just position myself, “Daddy, I just want You to love on me today and I want your love go deeper.  I want you to touch…”

Sid:  I’m reminded of the scripture that says, “You have not, because you ask not,” and what you’re saying is that it’s so simple you are asking for Him to open you up to His love.  You’re asking for His love.

Leif:  Wow!  And in 1 Corinthian’s 13; gives a good definition of what love is.  “Love never fails,” that means love always wins.  “It is patient, it is kind, it does not envy.” That’s the nature that you’re pouring into yourself.  It is something that has to do with His nature, the other experiences that I have been in lately is not just to ask that, but I have encountered with Him who is love and that has to do with, I’ll just open myself and through those encounter who He is what you become.  So when fear comes my way it is always an invitation for me to have an encounter with Him who is love; and the love that I experience is not what I just study and read about, but the love that I experience being with Him is what I become and what I become now I can release and the love in me can now change the fear that is around me and you can change an environment and settings and that’s what we just saw when I was overseas a few weeks back.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought.

Sid:  My guest is Leif Hetland, and just before we went on the air I was thinking you know, every show I start out with “We’re the Mishpochah” which is a Hebrew word for family.  And Leif isn’t that what we’re talking about this week when we talk about the orphan spirit and the spirit of son-ship and the devil is the founder of this orphan spirit and he tries to spread it to everyone possible and God is the family of Sonship which God’s really trying to make an extended family.

Leif:  Yeah, and that’s the beauty I hadn’t even, because I don’t know Hebrew as well just know a few words, but as you said that first of all, “Heaven on earth is a family business.  It started with a family and it ends with a family and we’re living a season where the Father is restoring His family here on earth and eventually they are going to be represented from every nation tongue, tribe and language.

Sid:  Well, Malachi talks about this restoration of the last days the Spirit of Elijah is going to come and restore the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers and it says if that doesn’t happen they’ll be a curse on the earth.

Leif:  Yeah, and on the other side we are seeing it in Romans 8, “Creation is moaning and groaning.”  So, there’s a cry in creation from the poor to Muslims, to people all over in homes and poverty and pain and suffering.  Where are the Sons, where are Daughters?  Creation is moaning and groaning and groaning for the very manifestation for us to become what we already are.  Get back and live a life like we have a home, like the prodigal son that leaves sin and let’s get back home to the Father’s home.  If it is rebellion or religion, let’s come home and I have experienced both being, rebellious and religious so I speak out of a lot of experience.  But that’s the glorious home coming that’s taking place in the kingdom.

Sid:  Well, you know most people with an orphan spirit are under a deception and they don’t even realize that they have this because they’ve pushed that fear and that injustice and that pain down so deep that they rely on themselves and that they’re so deceived they think they’re relying on God.

 Leif:  Yeah.

Sid:  Tell me about yourself.  Tell me about how you got an orphan spirit and how you got free.

Leif:  Yeah, I believe that some of that orphan spirit is in us from birth.  It started with me, give me, bless me, I need a clean diaper, “Wah Mommy I want.” Everything is about self in the center and so to a certain degree some of that is there, but for me a major shift that took place was that I came from a godly home.  I mean we have from every angle, both from my Mom and Dad side which is very unusual in Norway, my country, very solid Pentecostal background, good theology, good security.  I had it all, had a great great home, but the deception was the enemy came in and there was a abuse that took place when I was about twelve years old.  And I didn’t know that I put on fig leaves; fear, insecurities, guilt, loneliness, because pain seeks pleasure, now you feel shame and you feel pain and you start to cover up.  And I didn’t realize I started my journey to become a prodigal son, the enemy the ultimate orphan came in and now in the next moment, this is even before I was saved and I gave my life to Jesus, but automatically I started to run towards anything that could try to stop that pain.  The good news was that when I was eighteen years old I had an amazing encounter with Jesus.  Supernatural encounter with Him where I was saved, I was healed and delivered, set free from all kinds of things.  It was just one of those glorious salvations that was the good news!  The bad news was that I went to church which was more like an orphanage where they now was training me to go from a prodigal son to become the prodigal brother and I started with all the duty of religion.  And that kind of was my journey for many years; I went to Bible College, seminary became a pastor and now of course I must be holy, I need to do this, I need.  The prodigal brother issue because if I do that maybe Poppa is going to be well pleased with me.  But, I never do enough, my wife doesn’t do enough, my children don’t do enough.  I never have enough money and no matter what I did I could not please my Father.  So some of those lies that that orphan spirit was there, I mean I was…

Sid:  So you were fear driven, that’s what I’m hearing?

Leif:  Yeah, and it’s to the root of the orphan spirit that’s why the first thing it starts with is a Baptism of Love because “Perfect Love takes away all fear.”  When you’re becoming free from fear than that’s when you can start to live.  But yes, I was fear driven, but it is connected to this orphan spirit.

Sid:  But as a Baptist Preacher, I recall you just got so dry.

Leif:  Yes, I was burned out; I never did enough.  I had some amazing encounters with the Holy Spirit, but the problem was that it was leaking.  The Holy Spirit visited me and I knew now the anointing…

Sid:  And by the way, that’s why the people go from meeting to meeting because they have encounters with the Holy Spirit, but they leak.

Leif:  Yeah.

Sid:  So, they could go to meetings the rest of their life, but if they’re still leaking they’re never going to be satisfied.

Leif:  Yeah, and one of my favorite picture of the Holy Spirit is the dove and because I have started to study and look more and more at doves.  And what I realized I can have the dove and this is how I realize in year 2,000 when I first an encounter with the Father’s love I realized that I was in a big Word of Faith Church, a black church preaching and a dove was there, signs, wonders, miracles.  The power of God just touched that place, it was amazing and then I came into the car and I started to think certain thoughts and every else, the dove was gone, the presence was gone and by the time I got to my wife and kids and got home; I mean I was irritated, I was this and I was that.  I didn’t have love, joy, peace and all of these wonderful things that the dove brings.  I had pigeons but I didn’t know what happened and I started to just notice in that in my life that…

Sid:  But why would you leave such a wonderful place so filled with the Spirit of God and come home irritated; I don’t get it?

Leif:  Well, that’s why I think that that orphan and that orphan spirit comes in, because I didn’t understand that the superglue on your life that is going the dove to stay that’s where we have been anointed by the Spirit.  So we’ve had a baptism of water, a lot of people that are listening and some have had what we call a baptism of the Holy Spirit, the dove came upon you, but they’ve not had a baptism of love and have not been affirmed of the Father.  That was the key for the dove to stay upon Jesus.  Even in the wilderness had the dove stay there and when He came out of the wilderness He was full of the Spirit.  That’s what happened to me in the year 2000.  Suddenly the Father came and similar what Jesus had and there was a voice from Heaven, lying on the floor in Melbourne, Florida that says “You’re My Beloved Son whom I am well pleased.”  I just wept because I couldn’t understand God could be pleased with me because I looked at all these different issues.

Sid:  How does this play out in your marriage with an orphan spirit?

Leif:  Well, when it said that, “You do not do enough,” and you strive for approval when you are constantly having to do something and you are competing with other people and the next moment you are often judgmental because your wife doesn’t pray enough or suddenly in the next moment you start the blame game.  And it affected my marriage and I many times weep about it because I didn’t realize what I was doing that I had such expectation that I thought that God had on me.  And now I put this same expectation on everybody else and it was built up on this fear base and so they didn’t do enough.   So they did feel the affirmation and just the love and the “I’m well please with you, you are my beautiful bride.”  And they didn’t hear that so much, but “You didn’t do this,” or “I wish when I’m preaching you should be up in the front or the kids should be quiet,” or woo I’m still getting drained even talking about how my life use to be as an orphan, it’s just a… It was just a very painful thing for us.  We just survived in it and a lot of orphans do; they learned how to survive in the orphanage.  But why would you want to live your life in the orphanage when you can come home into a beautiful beautiful place?

Sid:  …When people hear this teaching and you pray an impartation of the Father’s love, what changes are you hearing that occur to people?

Leif:  The biggest thing is I say first of the individual life.   People are becoming free from themselves because self has been I the center of the orphan spirit life.  And second of all that I see what major changes they are stopping and they are not judging a lot of the people that are around them because the measurement is not based upon what everybody else does.  You suddenly feel the pain of a brother falling or you feel the pain of your spouse that has been struggling because you’re viewing them with the eyeglasses of love the way the Father views you.  And the other thing I’m seeing, I’ve seen some amazing miracles, I’ll just share one of them in Ankeny, Iowa that I never forgot; Renee was sitting in a wheelchair and it was in an Assembly of God Church in Hawkland Assembly of God, late that night I prayed and we saw a lot of healings but one girl sitting in a wheelchair.  She had been prayed for by all the big names in America, actually I had prayed for her before.  Tragic accident and from her neck and down she cannot move. And suddenly I didn’t have a lot of anointing or faith, but I asked, “Renee what would you like the Father to do for you?”  And she said, “Healing my orphan spirit.”  I never forgot it, tears coming to her eyes and I just started release a Father’s Blessing for her and to make that story short, because we have watched it over and over again, but I said, “Father I know that if this was my daughter Lila that was sitting here, I know what I would do, and now Father I know that you love Renee much more than I love Lila, give her a sign that you are going to heal her and in a matter of one hour and forty-five minutes, Renee is running all over the room, everybody is shouting.  Her father comes in who is in from a different theological equation that believes maybe this was God’s will.  But we had tried faith, we had tried anointing, we had tried giftedness and I have seen major miracles happening when suddenly they realize that, “I am a beloved daughter, my Poppa loves me, He is well pleased with me, He wants to give me great gifts.” And when something shifts in the view towards God and God’s view towards them, suddenly now the view towards others and their views towards the future is just changing in people.  Some major miracles are happening, mainly all kinds of mental disorder; four people bipolar, I mean we have just had so many things where they are laying on the floor for just hours just weeping like I did.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; I wish you could have been a fly on the wall just listening to our conversation before this interview.  Leif Hetland, this is such an important area, we’re talking about healing the “orphan spirit.”  For starters would you explain what you mean by what you mean by an orphan spirit?

Leif:  Yeah, I do believe that the orphan spirit, to put it in a very simple terminology, it can be believers or nonbelievers;  it can be Muslims or it can be from any religious faith, but it can also be somebody in the church, but it is primary an individual that are living their life without a home.  Not without a house, but they do not have a place of security where they feel secure, where they feel loved, where they feel value and they feel purpose.  So they will always then usually two tendencies; either to rebellion which we talked about before, more like the prodigal son and he was a son and there were sin issues and struggles and strongholds and it will take you to this land or sooner or later the pig pen.  Or there would be the religious aspect of the orphan spirit and that is, “Look at what I’m doing for God and you’re constantly working and striving and everything else hoping that Poppa is going to be well pleased with you,” because you are an orphan with an orphan spirit that don’t have a wonderful home and a place in the Father’s heart.  You have not had an affirmation and a father’s blessing over your life; comfortable with Jesus, maybe comfortable with the Holy Spirit, but perhaps you don’t know Him as Father God.

Sid:  Well, to be candid with you the emphasis since the Charismatic Movement, I don’t know about before because I wasn’t a believer in the Messiah before, but since the Charismatic Movement the emphasis has been Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but not Father God.  As a matter of fact most Christians don’t focus on Father God, they focus on Jesus. 

Leif:  Yeah, I believe what’s taking place is that there was a orphan and he was the first orphan with an orphan spirit and his name is Lucifer.  He actually rebelled against His Father and he took actually one third of the orphans with him and eventually…

Sid:  That was quite an orphanage he put together.

Leif:  It was and he created.  But one of the strategies that Lucifer, I mean you can run to the cross over and over get even saved, healed, delivered, but the cross don’t bring you home.  Jesus says. “I Am the way, way to where?”  “I Am the Truth, truth about what?”  So what we have seen is that Jesus was there not just so that we can get to Heaven, but to bring Heaven to us.  The second Adam came to bring us back again into a relationship with Father God.  Back into family where you could hear His voice, see His face, feel His love, experiencing His presence and live in His pleasure, living your life like a home, like Eden.  That’s where I think one of the missing pieces are is that Lucifer is trying all over the place and even if we can get hold, like myself tremendous Jesus encounter with healing, deliverance as well as salvation tremendous encounter with the Holy Spirit.  I had power, I had the dynamite; but orphans with dynamite can be very very dangerous and you can hurt yourself, your marriage, children everybody around you if you are not aware about this orphan spirit; so it’s a testimony of my life.

Sid:  Now so many people that are believers have an orphan spirit in your opinion?

Leif:   Yeah, in my opinion I believe that the majority of the believers have an orphan spirit.

Sid:  I believe that also.

Leif:  Yeah, I believe like myself that deception is very deceiving I didn’t know I had one.  There is some example in 1995 when I first went to Brownsville and we were reminded, it was in the Father’s day that move was started, but in August as Baptist Pastor from Norway stood in line and I came in.  And I didn’t know I had that orphan spirit and constantly hoped that if so and so would pray for me and this one, but they just walked by me and I was more and more offended that certain people didn’t touch me and I didn’t realize that I had an orphan spirit was rising up.  Other people were being touched, look at that person being blessed and so that one has a testimony and that one got healed.  If it was a family I would rejoice because that’s my brother and my sister that just got healed or touched and blessed, that’s how you

Sid:  That you were so hurting that you couldn’t think that way, you could only think from a selfish mindset.

Leif:  Yes, and that’s what orphans do and they are in competition that’s why we split churches, that’s why marriages split.

Sid:  Give me some of this so that people listening, give me some of the symptoms of an orphan spirit, how we could recognize it if we’re working from that.

Leif:  Let me give you some of a couple of examples, first of all orphans are often independent and there very self-reliant.  They’re independent, it’s about me, bless me, touch me, fill me, me, me so when it comes to…they see often God as a master, but they are independent or self-reliant;  while sons and daughters when in a family realm are interdependent.

Sid:  You know what I often think about, Jesus said, “I only do what I see my Heavenly Father doing,” and seems to me and orphan says is pragmatic and says, “Well I don’t see my Father doing so therefore I got to do it myself.”

Leif:  Yeah and here’s the ache that I feel in my heart, I have some powerful testimonies of transformation in my own life, but there’s several stories that come to my mind.  But one of the first time that I taught this very thing I’m remember people weeping all over the place, they ran up, but I’m guessing a transformation taking place when they get this very revelation and that is that first of all of Father God, but I believe that is the dysfunction of Father and I dealt with it different types of father.  If you had a father that was abusive, a father that was authoritative, a father I mean I went into different types of father and all over the place people just started to weep.

Sid:  A father that is not abusive necessarily, but distant.

Leif:  Yeah, now God is

Sid:  Or absent.

Leif:  Yeah. 

Sid: I mean look at the African American community, how many are single parent households. 

Leif:  Yeah, and just a couple statistics, I’ll try to not use a lot of them, but I was just thinking that  40% of all children today will go to bed in fatherless homes their Daddy, natural Daddy is not even around.  And 63% of the suicide comes from fatherless homes, and ninety percent of all homeless and run away children and the list goes on and on and on.  So America’s government said, “The number one problem that we have,” this is Federal Interagency for Child and Family statistics they say that, “The biggest problem we have in America of all problems is fatherlessness, Number 1!  What Jesus wanted to do and He said…

Sid:  You know what I’m wondering as I hear you say this, because I’ve heard people say this is that many people become homosexuals because they never had a good father relationship.

Leif:  Yeah, and we have seen literally mass mass deliverances when it comes to homosexuals; mainly just when there was a healing of the orphan spirit when you release.  What I do is, I release a Father’s Blessing over people and I represent Father God and I ask sometimes forgiveness for the natural fathers standing in the gap.  But even the Father bless them and then He says, “Now you can be fruitful, just be fruitful, multiply and take dominion.”  But right before and I know that you as Jewish people understand this better than us Norwegian and Americans, but it was the Father’s blessing that said, “Now you can be fruitful, multiply, take dominion, whoa, ask of Me and I will give you the nations.”  Right before there is a correlation right between a Father and a Son, but we do not see the relational element of being a Son like Jesus.  At first in the natural for eighteen years, excuse me for thirty years, but you will find that when He was twelve years old till He was thirty years old that He placed Himself under the subject of submission under His Father’s mission in the natural and then the Heavenly Father came and says, “You‘re My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.

Sid:  I have to believe that there are people listening to us Leif, right now that feel that disconnect, they’ve substituted other things, but they know in their heart of hearts there’s a disconnect between them and God.

Sid:  Have you read, there is such a difference in the Bible between twenty-first century American Christianity and what the Bible says it’s suppose to be like.  And one of the biggest problems is discipleship and one of the biggest problems in discipleship is the early church understood things that have been lost.  For instance, in the area of deliverance; the early church understood how to literally dismantle the anchors of demons so that they have no legal rights so it’s simple to cast these spirits out.  And my guest Mark Virkler has been instructed by the Lord to put together a series called “Prayers that Heal the Heart.”…Mark I am really overwhelmed at how complete your course is…

Mark:  …everyone needs these prayers and when I first went through them with Kaye Cox my first question was, I think I’ll find out from the prayer counselee which of these seven prayers they need.  And then after I prayed with a half dozen people I came to the realization everybody needs all seven and so I stopped asking the question which one you need and I said, guess what, you need all seven.  And if by any chance you didn’t need one of them, that means you wasted five minutes in prayer you didn’t have to waste, but it’s better to cover all your bases rather to have something hanging around.

Sid:  Well, let’s go to the third supernatural prayer for replacing negative beliefs and renouncing intervows, what is that?

Mark:  Well, it’s a couple of prayers that actually go hand and hand.  A negative belief would be an unbiblical belief; a belief that does not line up with scripture; like for example I believe that “I’m probably going to fail.”  Okay, that’s surely doesn’t line up with scripture and if I believe that I might make a promise to myself;  I might promise and say, “You know what I’m not even going to try, because I’m pretty sure I’m going to fail.”  So with every belief comes a vow, you might not be aware of the vow, but the vow in this case would be, “I’m not going to try, because if I try I’m just going to suffer I’m just going to fail again and again and I can’t handle the emotional pressure so I’m not going to try.”  And people say well I don’t think I made a vow and if I did make a vow I have no idea of what my vow would have been.  I say, “Well look at your action, because you believe you’re going to fail what action do you take?”  And they say, “Well, the action I take is I don’t try anymore.”  I say, “Okay then your vow was “I’m not going to try,” because it’s a root fruit relationship.”  You look at the fruit in your life, trace it back to the root and say what is the root that’s producing this fruit?  And so we need to replace ungodly beliefs and inner vows with godly beliefs and godly purposes.  Not another godly vow, because we don’t really want to make a new vow; we want to say, “I purpose by the power of the Holy Spirit to do this.

Sid:   Well, I’ve heard of people that have made vows literally, “ I make a vow to do something and it was an ungodly thing,” it was before they were even a believer and then I’ve heard of them saying, “Well, I break that vow in Jesus Name, but nothing changes.”

Mark:  Well, you know just last week in a seminar I did the lady I was praying with she had battled with rejection and inferiority;  feeling she wasn’t worth anything and she said she went to a seminar recently and got prayed for and they prayed through a specific prayer which happened to be one of these seven prayers.  She said that she felt a level of relief but it wasn’t totally healed.  And I said, “You know what, you prayed one of the seven prayers, let’s pray the other six because you know there’s power when one can put a thousand to flight, two can put ten thousand.  So I don’t suggest anyone pray one prayer, I suggest they bundle them up, pray all seven and if they do they are going to find an intensity of release instead of just a partial release and a partial healing.  They are going to find a complete release and a complete healing.  So in this case here, you know you got to believe I am going to probably fail, so I’m not going to try.  Well if you journal that and say, “Lord what do you want to say to me about my belief I’m going to fail.”  He is going to come back and say, “I will make, I have made your way prosperous.”  And so that’s a godly belief; that’s a railroad track to run on, because belief’s are railroad tracks that govern my life so now I’m going to say fine, my confession is “God has made my way prosperous and therefore my new purpose in the Holy Spirit is I’m going to step out in faith believing that God is with me and believing He is prospering my way.”  So an ungodly belief and an inner vow repented of, “Lord I repent for believing I will fail, I repent for the vow of not trying and instead I replace this with a godly belief that You have made my way prosperous and I choose to step out in faith believing that you are with me.

Sid: You know Mark; I love your section on replacing negative beliefs and renouncing inner vows.  What about in the area of money – finances.  Have you had any testimonies in that arena?

Mark:  Well, probably all of us have our own personal testimony; one ungodly belief would be I’m not going to have financial freedom in my life.  I’m always going to be in want, there will never be enough to make it through.

Sid:  You know someone might not even verbalize that, but there life pattern is they’re always in trouble financially.

Mark:  Exactly, again you look at your fruit and if the life problem, life says I’m in trouble, then there is a root belief behind that.  And in this case the belief is probably “I believe money is secular, I believe money is evil, I believe I can not earn enough,” and so I have to vow something so how about if I just vow that “I’m going to equate poverty and godliness together, that it’s spiritual to be poor and God doesn’t care about money.”  And now I got a rail road track , I’m running my life on an ungodly belief  and so I need to come to God and say, “God what do you believe about money?”  What do you want me to say and believe about money?”  And I might journal; I might write down the question, “Lord, what do you want me to say?” And then I fix my eyes on Jesus, tuned to flow and write down what He says back.  He may give me a scripture verse or He may give me something else.  Here’s one of the things that He’s given me; He said, Mark I have given you the power to make wealth in order that I might confirm the covenant with you.  Now that’s a scripture verse from the Old Testament.  And so I say, “Wow the proof that you are in covenant with me is that You have given me, You have given your children the power to create wealth.”  Well then I am going to have a new purpose in the Holy Spirit.  I’m going to purpose to believe God for the power to make wealth, I am going to believe God for financial prosperity and financial blessing that is what I purpose and I will not give up until that is the reality in my life and that is what I see.  I lend and I do not borrow, and now I have a new railroad track, a track of faith, a godly belief that replaced an ungodly track which was a track of a negative belief.

Sid:  You know, I’ve said this before, but what a difference it would make in someone’s walk with the Lord if they had just known these seven areas of prayer and gotten set free of all these familiar spirits and spirits of infirmity and spirits of addiction and look at all the nonsense they would have avoided in their walk with the Lord.

Mark:  Well, I agree Sid and in my own life God has corrected me and several ungodly beliefs.  I use to say I have a B level brain because when I was in college and high school I got straight B’s all the way through.  So my belief and my confession and my vow was I have a B level brain.  And when I prayed about it God said, Mark don’t ever say that again.  He said now that you have the mind of Christ you have a triple A brain, you are brilliant and you confess that.  Say in the anointing of the Holy Spirit I am brilliant and He said get yourself out of the prison and box of unbiblical beliefs and come and believe what I believe about you.

Sid:  How can two walk together unless they be agreed?  It’s good to agree with God.

Mark:  Amen, amen.

Sid:  Alright Mark let’s go to another area and that has to do with breaking negative words and word curses.

Mark:  Word curses, yeah.  You know a lot of times the Bible says life and death is in the power of the tongue and God spoke things into existence and we speak things into existence and if someone speaks a negative word it can crush our spirits and crush us and we can speak a negative word I just gave you an example.  I spoke a negative word, that I have a B level brain and it crushed my ability to move forward and be all that God wanted for me.  Sometimes people will say, you can’t take that job because that job can’t provide an income for you so even though you’re an artist or musician I think that you should to and take some other job.  Well, that’s a word curse and if you believe it and you let it soak into your spirit and you agree and say yes, I cannot support myself as a musician now this word curse controls you and rips from you your destiny in God.  And that has to be broken in prayer.  Say “I break the power of this word curse in the name of Jesus, it has no authority over me, I command it to fall to the ground and become powerless and I confess the truth that God has spoken to me,” and then you go in prayer and say, “God what is the truth you want me to confess,” and you let Him give you the new truth and then you speak that.

Sid:  And I know that from previous times we’ve had you on the show, is that you find that the discipline of believing God will say something to you and write it down shocks people.  People that have never heard from God all of a sudden start hearing from God.

Mark:  Well, exactly you know when you’re in prayer just quiet yourself down and fix your eyes on Jesus picture Him right there with you.  And say, “Jesus what do you want to say about this belief or this thing.” and then you tune to His voice and we define as spontaneous thoughts that light up on your mind.  And you begin to write that flow of spontaneous thoughts and you’ll end up with a paragraph of God talking to you.  And you bounce it off your spiritual advisors and make sure it’s God and then you run with it. 

Sid: My guest had supernatural peace poured into him in Africa. I mean, a peace that is so strong, so tangible you can’t worry even if you try. This peace is so powerful it overcomes every negative circumstance. Now he’s pouring this peace into other people. Next on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

Can ancient secrets of the supernatural be rediscovered? Do angels exist? Is there life after death? Are healing miracles real? Can you get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 30 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I love the rarified air of Heaven. Now I have, to my knowledge, I’ve never said this at the introduction of a show. But I have been looking so forward to interviewing my guest, David Martin, because you see, David received two impartations from God that I believe, as a mentor of you in the End Times, you must, absolutely must receive. But David, let’s start out with, in 2005, you received three prophetic words. Tell me about them.

David: I did. Sid, I was in the midst of a 17-week revival in Connecticut, and as I was driving back one night to the church, about midnight, God really spoke very strongly to me. I hear many things from the Lord, but these were like three imperative words. And what He said is bad times were coming. This was four months before Katrina happened, and literally I saw Katrina. I saw it. And if I saw correctly, Katrina was nothing. What really impressed upon me when that happened is God saying to me this is a wake-up call. So that was word number one. Number two, He said to me His people were not taking His Word serious. We’re kind of picking and choosing the parts we like and of course we all like prosperity and those kind of things. But God said we need to look at the totality of His Word, and the one thing specific that He spoke to me of significance was the sowing and reaping, that as we sow we will reap. God says I’m not mocked in this.

Sid: Now most people hear of sowing and reaping with money, but that means everything.

David: Every thought.

Sid: Every thought.

David: Every thought. Not just heir deeds, but those thoughts that we think on those things that we’re meditating on. And that’s where He really began to teach me about the importance of meditating the Word, because those words that we’re thinking, particularly those that stir up emotion inside of us, were creating good or bad, but they were creating.

Sid: What was the next word?

David: The third word that we were so caught up in our self, the things of this world, things that were important to us personally, and you know, what causes us to be selfish or things that are just important to us.

Sid: It’s almost the spirit of this age that we’re living in right now.

David: Absolutely.

Sid: So we have to fight the spirit of this age.

David: I believe God is helping us to make right decisions right now.

Sid: Okay. When are these horrific times going to come on America?

David: Well I believe we’re already seeing them. I mean, other peoples in the world, whether it’s Indonesia or Haiti, the Bible says in the last days this would be the case, you know, wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, famines. But I believe very earnestly God spoke that in 2005. But then in, two years ago, God said to me, “You have two years to prepare for what’s coming,” which is where we are right now.

Sid: What is coming?

David: Well I think more bad. I mean, it’s going to cover every area, Sid. It’s going to be economic. It’s going be geophysical, financial, economic, I think even in the church, in the religious world. We’re going to see a lot of shaking.

Sid: People losing their ministries, people being caught in sin.

David: The sin is going to find you out.

Sid: But you know what? It’s to the advantage to be found out. How would you like to find out about the sin after you die and you go to the Day of Judgment? I mean, now is the time to get rid of that sin because of the precious word of the Messiah, of Yeshua. David, I am excited about these two anointings you’ve received. Tell me about the first one, the circumstances.

David: Well the circumstance, it’s a really long story and trying to make it short is difficult. But essentially, there was a revival that went through East Central Africa in the ’30s. It was called the Shining One movement. And the people of that movement literally heard about this in the ’90s when I was in their refugee camps in Rwanda. But the people of that day shined, they literally radiated the Glory of God.

Sid: Listen, last night at dinner David was shining. Tell me about this. I mean, non-believers, people walked up to you, like last night I saw this, said you are literally shining.

David: I hear it all the time. It’s just a common thing that I hear. But to me what’s more important is that all believers, I mean, this is what we’re called to do. We’re called to radiate.

Sid: I’ve always felt that in the latter times that when we walk in holiness and there’s only room for the Glory of God, it’s got to be released, and of course we’re going to be shining. These people walked in such holiness. They would repent of little sins that most people here in America wouldn’t even think anything of. Explain that.

David: Well when I was there in 1998, through a unique series of circumstances, which is very supernatural in itself, in the midst of a pastor’s conference, God poured out His spirit and 250 pastors all got baptized from the Holy Ghost. I mean, we’re talking non-charismatic people getting baptized in the Holy Ghost, three hours of glory. God said to me, “Go to the birthplace of that revival.” And while I was there, the next day, walked into the chapel where this revival happened 30-some years earlier, and while I’m in the chapel, a man named Enoch walked in

Sid: Kind of, that’s an interesting coincidence, Enoch

David: Well Enoch just happened to live a long time. He was one of the founders of that story where in this chapel, this revival started in this chapel, spread all over East Central Africa. But because God had told me in 1979 to study miracles, to prepare for the end, if you will, to teach people how to walk in the miraculous for these days. And the one miracle, Sid, that God really directed me to, to study, was transfiguration. I had been studying this for 30 years. Now here, I’m face to face with a man that walked in transfigured anointing, and I’m saying, tell me about it. And as he explained it to me, he said, “David, this anointing with this move of God really wasn’t about shining. It was about holiness” And the presence of God was so strong that people literally could not live with any kind of sin. They come into the altar everyday repenting, as you said, of the smallest little thing, bad thought, bad action. But he said, what happened over the course of time is they started shining.

Sid: Not only did David receive the shining light anointing from one of the people that were connected with this move in the ’30s, but he received an anointing that I don’t believe you’ll survive in the last days unless you have it. And I’ve experienced it, too. Don’t go away we’ll be right back.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to hear God to have such intimacy with the Holy Spirit.  Now what I love about my guest this week, Jim Hockaday is God has given him the gift of empowering you to release what God’s already put within you.  When you hear his teaching and the presence of God comes on you with this teaching, you’ll develop such intimacy with God.  For instance, Jim tell me about the time that you told the lady that had a tumor to go into the ladies room and put water on the tumor. How did you come up with that?

Jim:  Well, I guess it’s, you could say through a process of learning to work with the Holy Ghost and open my heart up to possibilities. In other words, not to be so confined in the way that I’ve always done it.  I just go into every service just wide open.  I’ve looked at this lady and she had a tumor on her breast that was the size of probably, and she’s the one that made the reference to it, and she said I have a tumor on my breast that’s the size of a grapefruit.  And without batting an eye I said well it will just disappear, you go back to ladies room right now, take someone with you and I said go ahead and put water on that and you’ll see it disappear before your eyes.  Well she did it and she came back in, you didn’t need to ask her if it happened.  She was like a freight train going through a tunnel just rejoicing at the top of her lungs, dancing and shouting.  In fact, the whole place took off dancing and shouting and running all over the room over her testimony.  She came back and it was completely well.

Sid:  Jim, what if she had come back and it wasn’t.  What would you have said?

Jim:  Well, I’ve had some that have happened that way.  I looked at a lady and I told her I said “Now you’ll go out, you won’t go three times without having that tumor disappear.  Do you understand what I said?  She said, yes Sir.  I said go out right now this is your first time.  She went out the first time.  She came back in and she said, well its half the size.  Well good, it’s going the right direction.  Well, I went ahead and I started preaching again, we were preaching on the God kind of faith, in other words, the faith that doesn’t fail.  And I looked at her after about ten minutes I said go and I said now is your second time.  Do you remember what I said, she said, yes I do.  I won’t go out three times or two more times without it being gone.  I said that’s right.  She came back in and she said, well it’s real hot where that’s at but it’s about the same size the size of a…half the size.  I said well, that’s great, that’s good it’s hot that means it’s working.  I said so you remember what I said didn’t you, she said yes.  So I got to the point in my message, I said well now’s the third time.  Go out and see the rest of what we said is so.  She went out and she came back in now this was what happened.  I saw her when she came back in she stood at the back door.  She didn’t come back in like rejoicing, running up to the front.  So I knew she was going to try to tell me that it was still there.  So she started walking down and she looked at me and said well, it is still there half the size.  And I walked off the platform got about two inches away from her nose eye to eye, and said I’m sorry I said if it would disappear that’s what happened.  She said well, I’m just telling you what it is.  She said that its still there.  I said that it would disappear that’s what happened.  She said yea, but I went up there and its half the size but I said it would disappear and that’s what happened.  And she looked at me and got mad.  And said well, all right then, it disappeared.  I said good, I’m glad that you’re in agreement check it right now.  She did and it was gone.

Sid:  There is such a depth of understanding  the truth of God’s Word that you can’t hear enough about people that have walked in this and that’s why I’m making this six CD Seminar available to you, “How to develop intimacy with the Holy Spirit.”  As far as I’m concerned Jim this is the course correction that those that understand the truth have to get to with intimacy with God.  It’s going to make all the difference in them walking in the promises.  Talk a little bit because I love to hear you teach about intimacy with God.  Talk a little bit about that.

Jim:  Well, I’ll make it real real simple here and you know it’s as simple as how well we begin to develop an awareness of His presence.  And so, you and I are right now on a name to name basis and were talking with one and other and I’m very aware that you’re on the other end of this phone and were having this interview.  But there’s a whole lot of people out there that are listening their hearing our voices just as well as you and I are hearing our voices but their there but as included as you and I because we’re not calling them calling them by name.  Now, if I said Honey to my wife, Erin, hey babe I love you, just want to let you know I’m talking to you right now on the air.  Now, if she were listening, it would draw her into the conversation, would it not? 

Sid:  Of course.

Jim:  Sure, because I made it personal.  Philemon verse six says that the communication of our faith would become effectual by the acknowledgement of every good thing which is in you in Christ.  Intimacy with the Holy Ghost begins when you begin to acknowledge His indwelling presence and when you begin to acknowledge Him he is drawn into your world.  He’s there, but you know that there are a lot of things that are around us all the time and we are not aware of it, we don’t recognize it.  Take Gideon for example, the Lord appeared to him in a vision and a man stood there that was the Angel of the Lord and Gideon didn’t even recognize Him but when he did; what happened?  Oh I’ve seen the Lord today.  Well, yes.  God is with us right now in the person of the Holy Spirit because of our Lord Jesus and when you begin to acknowledge His presence, immediately He’ll begin to work with you.  He was sent by the Father, Jesus said as your advantage in life.  In other words, you could say it like this and sum it all up.  In the same way that the disciples had such an amazing time walking with Jesus for three and half years that is exactly what the relationship is like for us to walk with the Holy Spirit.  To have that kind of closeness, awareness and to have that kind of presence in our life.

Sid:  Now, when you talk about acknowledging God’s presence your saying talking about what the Word of God says. 

Jim:  Talking about what the Word of God says, revealing the scripture, it comes to life.  And also…

Sid:  Well, give me an example, do it right now.

Jim:  Well, I would start out even right now and I would just begin to say, Father, I just thank you so much that you did send the Holy Spirit and He does live in my heart and because of my Lord and Savior right now, I am one with God in Spirit, inseparable.  Holy Spirit your there right now and I know that you’ve got things to share with me.  And so I just open up my heart because I know that you’re speaking and then He begins to speak.  And so right now there is somebody that has had a lump in the throat that seems like it’s difficult to swallow and even when you do it’s painful.  But that lump disappears right now in the wonderful precious Name of Jesus because the Holy Ghost is revealing that and the anointing is beginning to flow and it’s no different in life.  As you walk with Him, there’s times when He’ll speak and there’s other time that you’ll just recognize that He’s there.  But all of it gives you confidence and boldness to approach life according to the word and know that you’re an overcomer.

Sid:  Now speaking of boldness, now tell me about that boy that had polio that his leg straightened out before everyone watching.

Jim:  Yea, it was pretty wild, he had polio and had one leg that was drawn up as though it was almost in a crossed position while the other leg was normal and hanging down and it was drawn up and small and skinny, and not the same length.  And when we prayed for him, all of a sudden his leg shot out.  Now the Pastor’s wife was sitting right next to him and she was given to many visions and she said, when you walked over a large angel walked up and when you prayed that angel grabbed that boy’s leg and jerked it out and it became completely normal and whole.

Sid:    That’s the type of thing that’s about ready to be released and I believe as people develop their intimacy with the Holy Spirit it’s going to be released in their life.  I mean that what you just described is sensational, but it’s also normal according to the promises of the Word of God. 

Jim:  Yes Sir.  In fact and I’ll make this small little observation, Jesus said that He was going to send a helper to help us.  Now, here’s what we’ve done.  We’ve made the Holy Ghost the doer.  Were twitteling our thumps waiting on God to do something and were assuming the position of the helper.  Lord, if you’ll do something, I’ll help.  But the Bible declares and Jesus has said it himself in Matthew 7 and James reiterated this same principle throughout his epistle that we are the doers of the word.  The Holy Ghost is the helper and when someone has recognition of God and their aware of His presence.  They become bold to become a doer of the word.  And when they step out to do that’s when the miraculous happens because the Holy Ghost will help.

Sid:  Consider yourself challenged; by the way I have heard a Word of Knowledge that someone’s back was healed.  In fact their entire spine was straightened out in Jesus Name.  Are you catching anything else Jim?

Jim:  Well, I just want to make reference to any type of stomach disorder.  You can just be confident that this afternoon if you’ll take this that’s been spoken, go get yourself something to eat.  The Spirit of the Lord will come upon you when you put that first bite in your mouth and you’ll see that your stomach has been healed.

Sid:   Okay, this six CD seminar on “How to develop intimacy with the Holy Spirit.” 
Same anointing of healing right now.

Sid:  The thing that stops people from having intimacy with God, the thing that stops people from manifesting their healing, the thing that stops people from even fulfilling their destiny is they have issues in their life that maybe came from a trauma they had at an early age and they don’t even remember the trauma.  It could even come generationally and they don’t have a clue and year after year after year they feel like there’s something missing yet their born again, yet their filled with the Spirit so they say, I think I have everything.  Well, I know I have some answers for you this week, I’m interviewing Peter Horrobin and Peter for over twenty years has been studying how people can be free in every area of their life.  And there is an area that I just don’t hear that much talk about, freedom from trauma.  There are a lot of people, Peter Horrobin that have been in military and they come back and they can’t even talk to their family about some of the trauma that they went through and they have problems the rest of their life.  There are other people that have traumas in fact in your seminar you were talking about someone that even in the womb, one of your director’s when before they were even born, tell me about the trauma that had occurred to him.

Peter:  Yeah his name is Serall and he is Indian, and when he was in the womb and was probably about three months from being born, his mother saw a man killed right in front of her; shot dead.  And she was absolutely terrified thinking that this was going to happen to her as well.  And a child in the womb picks up all the things that the mother is going through and he was traumatized in the womb.  Now he did not come to us with stories and say I was traumatized in the womb and I need prayer.  He came to us because he was actually a pastor, a really good man, had a good ministry, but he said I can’t move forward.  I’m crippled with fear on the inside and I’m reluctant to be able to do the things I know that God is telling me to do.  The fear was controlling him.  And so when our team prayed with him and were asking the Lord to show where the root was, we were right back into this experience and this man began to cry as a little baby as he was set free from the trauma he picked up from his mother.  What happens in these cases, satan is no respecter of persons and Jesus came to set captives free and many people are in captivity to the enemy and the Lord’s prayers has delivered us from the evil one; and Serall got delivered from the evil one and it changed radically.  Up until that point he had a congregation which was quite big, two and a half thousand.  But in the next year his congregation went right through the roof, he finished up a year later with twelve and a half thousand in his congregation.  And the restriction, the fear that was controlling him and preventing him from moving forward had gone, completely set free.

Sid:  You know what I’m reminded of, you teach about Jesus said He came to bind up the broken hearted and in the Hebrew, what is broken hearted mean?

Peter:  Well, when in Isaiah 61 it says the sovereign Lord would bind up or heal the broken hearted.  The Hebrew word brokenhearted means actually shattered into separate pieces.  It is the same word that was used when Moses threw down the tablets of stone and they were shattered into separate pieces.  Do you remember that?

Sid:  Yes.

Peter:  And that’s what Jesus does, He binds up those who have been shattered by the experiences of life.  One of the story that has really thrilled us and amazed us and has blessed many people was the story just being published is “Linda.”  And Linda, when she was twenty-three years of age, she fell off a cliff on a night hike with her youth group in Sydney, Australia.  She fell on jagged rocks below and she broke her back in four places.  She was helicopter out ten hours later and three years down the line, doctors could do no more for her.  She’s in constant pain, she’s on medication for the pain and the side effects of the medication, she could hardly walk twenty five yards is as far as she could walk without having to stop for the pain to subside.  She said who’s going to want to marry me, I’m never going to be able to have children and she began to plan her own suicide.  And in that stage of her life we met her at a medical conference in Australia because she had been a nurse.  She was now pensioned off on a life time disability pension.  The doctors in Australia said that she could never be healed and so they put her on a lifetime pension.  And as we began to explain to her how about trauma breaks us on the inside our body reflects the pain that’s still there.  She began to understand that when she fell off that cliff it wasn’t just the body that was traumatized but we are spirit, soul and body.  We are a person inside our body as it were and the doctors did everything they could for the body but Jesus heals the soul and the spirit.  And when we prayed for her for that inter-brokenness to be restored as prophesized by Isaiah in Isaiah 61 we watched as the Spirit of God came upon her and actually began to manipulate her whole body.  Her body was being stretched out as if the spine was being stretched and put back into place.  At the end of that evening she stood up and she was completely healed.  Today she is not only healed, she went back to the doctors and said she will not need my pension anymore.  She was the first person to ever come off her lifetime disability pension in Australia. 

Sid:  That may be the solution to some of our problems in the United States.

Peter:  Well, I believe passionately that is the case.  Actually she went back to work as a district nurse in the outback of Australia and she fell in love with the son of one of the people that she was nursing.  And she is now married and she has got her own children and it is an amazing story.  Jesus has given her back the years that we say the locust has eaten, satan robbed her but Jesus has healed her.  Not just healed her so that she is existing, she is living an abundant life and fulfilled as a mother as well; amazing story.

Sid:  Do you find many people that have had trauma in military that get set free?  Can you give me an example?

Peter:  Yes, I first learned about this when I was ministering to one of our team up here in the United Kingdom who had been, he was a very old man when we prayed for him.  But he had been a real gunner in the Second World War; and he had had many terrible experiences in flying in those bombers and having to shoot the pilots of the attack air craft that were coming upon him.  And he had many horrendous experiences and he locked them all away; and he really struggled with nightmares of these things that would come up at night and he could never get it off his mind until Jesus went right back into those experiences that he had.  And I know today that there are many people who come out of the military and in the First World War they talk about being shell shocked and the experiences that people have in Viet Nam or whether it’s been Afghanistan or where they are traumatized by what they have experienced.  And I believe that there are many many of the military today that could be completely healed by Jesus completely set free if they were able to come to Him not just as their Savior so that when they die they are going to go to Heaven, but that the Kingdom authority of Him who is the healer come right into our lives.  Deal with the traumas that they’ve gone through; it may be painful but it is only actually walk through the reality of what happen with the one that can heal us.  That we can be set free, we can be healed on the inside.  That inner brokenness can be restored, we can be delivered of this infirmity and the pain and we can be given our lives back.  I’ve seen it happen to so many people, I know that it can happen to many many more.

Sid:   Peter, I don’t here many people talking about trauma, why is that?

Peter:  Maybe it’s something that God is only really opening up to the body today to understand, but where ever we go I ask people to put their hands up as to what traumas they have gone through.  You’ll find that in any congregation we have 100 people there you will find 75 of them at least have had either car accidents, they’ve fallen, they’ve down stairs, they have fallen off horses, they have had military experiences, they have been abused.

Sid:  Do you find many people have had sexual trauma before marriage?

Peter:  Sexual trauma affecting their marriage.  Yes.  I’ll never forget a young couple who they’ve been married now for three or four years but they’d never been able to fully consummate their marriage.  They loved each other very much and when they got married they longed to complete their relationship, but the marriage bed became a place of terrible fear for the lady.  And as we began to pray with her she began to unpack the memories that she buried.  She knew that there was something bad back there that had to do with sex and getting into bed brought those memories right…the fear that associated with those memories right to the surface.  But she didn’t actually know what it was and again this was sexual abuse where as a young girl five or six where she was terribly hurt in awful sexual abuse and so deep inside that broken part of her associated sexual relationships with fear and pain.  So it’s no wonder that when she got into bed with her husband she could not consummate marriage because she was unhealed in this area of her life.  She loved Jesus, she loved serving Him, but she was unhealed and it was only when He healed these things that she was then able to fully consummate the marriage and then go on to have a normal marriage life. 

Sid:  You find that many people have these ungodly soul ties?

Peter:  Yes, you are touching into another big subject.

Sid:  I tell you what, we are out of time.

Sid:   My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is Glenn Arekion and Glenn has a brand new book that I believe is mandatory for every free believer in the world.  It’s called “The Power of Praying in Tongues” unleashing the supernatural dimension within you; it’s brand new, but it will literally light a fire under you.  And I know something about you; I know you need a fire lit.  Tell me a bit Glenn about George Washington Carver.

Glenn:  George Washington Carver was a great man of God who believed in prayer and as he began to pray he called it, communicating with my Father.

Sid:  You know you don’t hear about that side of him.  You hear about all the inventions, but you don’t hear about the source of the inventions.

Glenn:  That’s the reason why he had all the inventions.  He had so many recipes and so many use for the peanut just by knowing the voice of God; by just communicating and having and intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit.  And so he had so many inventions.  That’s what supernatural languages will do to you.  It will open you up the creativity of God because when you are praying in that supernatural language you’re tapping into the mind of God.  And God’s mind is loaded with ideas.  God’s mind, God knows God’s got more ways to deliver you out of your problems than sickness got to keep you the problem.  So when we begin to tap into that supernatural language just like George Washington Carver, God will give us all kinds of ways to get us blessed, to get us prosperous to get us out of any situation that we may find our self in.

Sid:  Give me your definition of speaking in a supernatural language.

Glenn: Well, it is a supernatural utterance by the Holy Spirit in a language never learned by the person doing the speaking.  It is coming from your spirit man and you’ve never learned that language but it is a language of the Holy Spirit that’s coming out from your spirit.  Just tongues is the language of the supernatural realm.  Just like French is the language of France. 

Sid:  Why is it that there’s a whole group of Christians that say speaking in supernatural languages was necessary in the first church but is not necessary today?  How did that happen?  Where did we go astray?

Glenn:   Well, this is some those people who call themselves sensationists that they don’t believe that tongues is for us today, they don’t believe that the gifts of the spirit are for us today that it all passed away with the apostles.  But if that was the case then they should never have been called the gifts of the spirit.  They should have been called the gifts of the apostles.  And the last time I checked we are still living in the church age.  The gifts and especially tongues or supernatural language is for us in the church age.  Jesus said that the believer will speak in new tongues.  So there is no record in the Bible that tongues ceased.  Eventually one day it will cease, but not today as long as the church age is still here it is for us today; as long as the Holy Spirit is here it is for us today.

Sid:  You know, I’ll tell you a funny story.  I know a man that I just gave a copy of your book “The Power of Praying Tongues” to.  And he…I said why don’t you speak in supernatural languages today?  He said, well to tell you the truth I don’t know anything about it.  So that’s why I gave him your book and then I said, I said what do you do in church without the miracles or anything?  And he says well to tell you the truth, I sit on my hands.  And then I said to him well isn’t that boring?  And he said to me, well to tell you the truth I’m comfortable doing this.  I mean it’s really pretty sad, he literally…I’m reminded of the scripture, my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge at God’s word.

Glenn:  That is so true; and were walking away from power just having like a social club because we don’t want to tap into the supernatural language of tongues because we don’t want to offend anybody.  But there’s power available.  I mean life would become a great adventure; church will become a great adventure; ministry will become a great adventure when it is led and directed by the Holy Spirit.  And if we are led by the Holy Spirit of God, see to me praying in the Spirit is the beginning of being led by the Spirit of God. 

Sid:  Now, let me read a quote of yours; “As long as the devil can keep you from speaking in supernatural languages he will keep you away from miracles.”

Glenn:  Yes, that is correct because tongues is the entrance to the supernatural.  If he can keep you away from that, he can keep you away from all other miracles.   I mean there are people that would tell us today that tongues is not for us today.  Well, if the devil had his way, tongues would not have been for any day.  But it began on the day of Pentecost and is still for us today.

Sid:  Well, I’ll go one step further, with what anyone that has even a limited understanding of end time Bible prophecy and reads the newspaper today must recognize we’re in the last days. 

Glenn:  Yes.

Sid:  And if tongues was so important in the beginning of the church and so important in these great moves of God’s Spirit throughout the history of the church, I don’t see how we’re going to be able to even survive in these last days without using that supernatural language.

Glenn:  That’s right.  It is the key to effective last day living.  That’s what Jude tells us, he tells us, but you beloved, he’s has already mentioned to us that there will be a time of apostasy; he said in verse 18 Jude, he told you that the apostles told you that there would mockers in the last days who would walk after their own ungodly lusts.  But you beloved that’s us Christians in the last days, we are living in the last of the last days; building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost.  So he was telling us that last day’s effective living come by praying in the Holy Ghost; especially in the world in which we live right now.  There is so much fear if you look at the news media.  If you look at what’s going on in the world today; all the news media, all the negative news of what can happen to America.  How the economy is so bad.  Jesus even, himself said that in the last days, men will look at things that are happening and they would have fear in their hearts.

Sid:  You know you brought something out that I’ve never seen before in your brand new book from Acts: 6:4 which says but we will give ourselves continually to prayer and the ministry of the Word.

Glenn:  Yes.

Sid:  But, it was not a prayer, explain that.

Glenn:  Well, the little Greek texts says that we will give ourselves continually to the prayer, meaning a definite article.  Meaning that the people who said the prayer it was something that was already known among the disciples.  And in the book of Acts in the early church, the prayer was praying in the Spirit.  The prayer was praying in tongues.  That’s the reason why it said that we would not neglect that, we would give ourselves, we will dedicate ourselves to praying in the Spirit and that’s what happens to Peter after James was beheaded.  The scripture said that the church began to pray without ceasing, the prayer was made without ceasing.

Sid:  And somehow the devil has lifted the prayer from even spirit filled Christians, let alone those who think that God doesn’t do this anymore.  He’s literally high jacked the prayer.

Glenn:  But, I’ll tell you what happens when this prayer has been high jacked.  The scripture says that when the church began go pray without ceasing, God sent an angel.  That’s what praying in a supernatural language will do.  It will activate angels; it will create angelic activities on our behalf.  And we need angelic activities on our behalf in the last days.  Especially with all this threat and all this stuff coming against us.  We need the protection of angels and one of the ways that we can activate angels is by praying in the supernatural language.  That’s why Paul says though I speak with tongues of men, and tongues of angels.  So tongues will release and activate angels to work on our behalf.

Sid:  I like it when you needed to buy a church building, it became available but you had no money, briefly explain that.

Glenn:  Well, I just moved here from London, England.  I had just moved to Louisville Kentucky and I did not know any building.  I was holding service, but I just came here in the hotel and then they came and told me that the hotel would be demolished so I would have to find myself another venue for church.  And I did not know where to go and I did not have any money what so ever.  So I just began to, I locked myself in my prayer room.  I called it my holy room and I began to and nothing goes on in that room except prayer.  So I just began to pray in tongues and I stayed in that room for three days and just prayed in that supernatural language.  Saying to God that I don’t know anybody here.  I don’t have any money, I can’t buy the building, you are going to have to give me a building.  So I spent three days praying in that supernatural language of tongues.  And on the third day I got a phone call from a friend of mine that says, hey Glenn there’s a building available do you want to go and have a look at it.  So I said sure.  So I went to have a look at it and while I was driving there and I heard the Lord in my spirit, that’s your building.  So well, thank you Lord and I got there and it was a brand new building about two or three years old.  And there was everything in that building; there’s nothing to be done in that building; chairs open, everything in that building.  I said to that man, well how much is that building?  He said well, you know it should go for a million dollars but for you we will give it to you for $500,000.  Now he could have told me any price, would make no difference to me because I have no money whatsoever.  He said well, if you want that building just come over on Thursday and just sign for it and bring 20% down for the deposit.  I said sure, I’ll do that.  So I went back home and again, cause I had no money whatsoever, I needed to bring for deposit $100,000.  I didn’t have any $100,000, so I went back to my prayer room and I just prayed and prayed in the spirit, prayed in tongues, prayed in tongues, and prayed in tongues and prayed in tongues and I heard the Lord say just give him $5,000.

Sid:  And the amazing thing is they took the $5,000 on a million dollar building although it was available for a half a million.  I’m going to tell you something, you won’t survive if you are not mentored in praying in tongues.  We will teach you in this book, “The Power of Praying in Tongues,” how to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, the reasons to motivate you if you already are; to pray in tongues and this special CD called “Your Personal Trainer for the Supernatural.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Brian Adams, was on a 40-day fast and he heard from God. As a result of what he heard, he made a course redirection, and as a result of this, he has opened up his hearing from God, his ability to pray for the sick, and so many other realms. You wouldn’t think one little revelation would do this. I mean, he used to pray for the sick, and he would have maybe 30 percent healed. Now he has over 80 percent healed. But it’s not just for healing, it’s for everything. And I have never seen someone take a short revelation from God and expand it to every arena of life. Brian, what did God speak to you that changed your life forever?

Brian: I was finishing up a fast, and I was in prayer one day, Sid, and the Spirit of God spoke to me so gentle and just so quietly. He said, “Faith moves me, son, but forgiveness releases my power.” And that’s what we’re looking for, for the power of God, because we as humans are powerless apart from Him. So as He releases His power, I begin to experiment in the prayer lines in trying to continue to ask God, show me more, Father. Show me about what you want me to do. And as he began to show me that faith releases power, He took me to some scriptures that talked about where people refused to forgive they would have tormenting spirits released against them, and then I knew, a scripture came to me, and I heard this in my spirit, that fear has torment. And all of a sudden, I started thinking, fear, now that’s phobias. That’s anxiety attacks, different things that a lot of times doctors can’t heal, and these were tormentings. I began to put, asking the people to pray and release people, forgive them, and just make a conscious decision. Prayer is actually what I call it. They would pray these prayers. We would see them free from anxiety, from phobias, from fibromyalgia, just different things from mental to physical, to even soul issues.

Sid: Wow. Speaking of phobias, severe phobias, tell me about this woman that had this severe phobia that was confined to her house.

Brian: Sid, that was awesome to see God do that. What happened was this lady had been married. Her husband was an abuser, and I mean, not just small stuff, but he would rape her, he’d beat her, keep her locked up inside the house and alienate her from her family. And there’s so much of that going on. So she began to hate him, of course like probably anybody would, and when she started hating and having this unforgiveness, the tormenting spirits of insanity and depression, and all this came upon her. Well he eventually left by the law making him leave. She lost her job, she lost her drivers license started having seizures, all these different problems. She would not leave the house, Sid. I mean, it had been two years she had not even left her house. The only time she did was when her mother or sister would come to take her to the doctor quarterly. She’d shut her eyes as tight as she could. They’d put her in the car, leaving her eyes closed, they’d take her, she’d get inside, the doctor would shut the door, she would then open them. And so this doctor that was treating her was a believer. He said, “I believe that you can do her more good than what I’m doing her.” Gave me her phone number, and I called and I went to visit her.

Sid: Okay. So Brian took this revelation and went to visit her. Let’s take a look at what happened.

Dave: Hello.

Brian: Hey.

Dave: Pastor Brian.

Brian: Hey, Dr. Dave.

Dave: Listen, I have this patient. She hasn’t been out of her house for almost two years. She’s been in and out of mental institutions about six times, and well her husband, he beat her, he raped her and he abused her.

Brian: No.

Dave: I figured that you can help her more than I can.

Woman: Please help yourself.

Brian: These are really good. Thank you. Did you make them yourself?

Woman: No, my sister. I used to bake. I used to a lot of things.

Brian: Can you tell us a little bit what’s been going on.

Woman: I don’t really know where to start.

Brian: Well we’re here to help, not judge. So where did it begin?

Woman: Well he seemed like a really great guy. He swept me off my feet. He was always there with roses. And I was in the emergency room maybe ten times last year. My panic would get so bad that I wouldn’t leave the house for days and weeks, and then months. I couldn’t, I can’t do anything.

Brian: You know what? As bad as it is, God wants you to forgive. I know it’s not easy and real forgiveness never is. This is the beginning of your healing.

Woman: [crying] Please help me.

Brian: I call this the conscious decision prayer. Okay. And I want you to declare this out loud for me. I trust in Jesus the Messiah.

Woman: I trust in Jesus the Messiah.

Brian: I choose to forgive my husband for beating me.

Woman: I choose to forgive my husband for beating me.

Brian: I choose to forgive my husband for putting me in the hospital. And I command you to come out in the name of Jesus. Faith moves God, but forgiveness releases His power. We were taught in 1 John 4:18 that in love there is no fear. Torment does not exist, but God’s complete and perfect love expels every trace of terror.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here at the Mobile Convention Center. I heard that there was a move of God’s spirit here. And John, you know me. He was shepherded at the great Brownsville Revival in Pensacola, Florida, and I would go there because I like the presence of God. I mean, I’ve never been a drug addict. I’ve never been an alcoholic, so I can’t describe. I can’t compare. But I can tell you the presence of God, there is nothing this world has to offer compared to this. And the presence of God, John, came on this pastor’s wife who had for some 23 years had been confined to a wheelchair from an auto accident. She couldn’t walk. Her husband married her just nine years ago. He had never seen her walk.

JOHN: No. So when we was helping her walk and I was watching his face, and I mean, just a look came on his face like, oh my God. And then I saw tears jump out of his eyes. And so then I knew, I said, whoa, we’re looking at a miracle here. ‘Cause I didn’t know if she had any movement or any feelings at all, but I mean, she was totally paralyzed from the waist down. And then a week later she came back and walked essentially without any assistance. We just sort of maybe touched her little bit just to keep her balanced. But now, Sid, she’s actually, they’re leaving the wheelchair in the pastor’s office. She’s walking out to the church. She’s standing up singing and she’s walking out in the audience and praying for people. The woman is walking.

SID: Tell me, because I’ve never had you publicly tell me this, and I am fascinated by it, about the orthodox Jewish man that was dying, that came to the Brownsville Revival.

JOHN: He was diagnosed by his doctor with a brain tumor and was very sick. As a matter of fact when they brought him down to Pensacola he didn’t really get his doctor’s permission to come. He asked the doctor if he could come and he cursed, and he said no. And so he said, “Well am I dying?” And the doctor said, “Yes you are.” And he said, “Well, if I’m dying what damage could it cost me?” So they brought him down and he got there about 5:30 in the evening. And I remember meeting him. And he was so dizzy. He was throwing up ‘cause he had equilibrium problems and his eyes were going sideways like this in his head, sideways, ‘cause of the pressure on his optic nerves. And he was so sick he couldn’t even hardly greet me. I didn’t really think he was gonna be able to make it to 7:00 when this started, but he did. And so in revival back in those days when the glory of the Lord would come in the church, you’ve been out on a cloudy day and feel the sun come out on a cloudy day you can feel it on your exposed skin like the back of your hands, your ears, and all. We’d be at worship at Brownsville and it would feel like the sun would come out. And sure enough, that night–

SID: Well right now I feel a heavy, good, but not bad, a heavy presence, and I’m having difficulty not shaking. Is that what you’re talking about?

JOHN: It is. Welcome to revival. [laugh] It feels like the sun come out. So that night he was in the service and it felt like, sure enough, during worship, it felt like the sun would come out. And so all of a sudden this guy stands up like this out of his wheelchair and he says, “Oh my God, I’m healed!” And I remember looking at him back there and I thought to myself, if that man’s standing that man’s healed, because he was so sick and so dizzy. Well to make a long story short, he went back to Atlanta, walked into his doctor’s office, not in a wheelchair, walked there.

SID: I wish I had been there.

JOHN: I wish I had, too. And the doctor, when he saw him he cussed again, and he said, “What in the blankity-blank are you doing here? How come you’re not in your wheelchair?” He said, “Well I went to Florida. I went to that revival.” And he said, “I want another MRI.” The doctor said, “No, no, no, no.” He said, “Look I’ve got your MRIs back there and I know what they look like.” He said, “Look, forget the insurance. I’ll pay for it out my pocket. I want another MRI.” They did one. The tumor was completely gone. He brought 30 people back to Brownsville, 30 Jews back to Brownsville with him on a bus, Sunday morning, and every one of them was saved and filled with the Holy Spirit.

SID: Do you hear that? Every one of them had an experience with God and filled with the Holy Spirit. I believe a miracle settles the argument. I absolutely believe it. And this is what I proclaim. Proclaim the Kingdom of God after you have demonstrated the Kingdom of God and everyone will want to know the king. It’s so simple. You need not be confused. We have a cerebral gospel. Like I talk to orthodox Jewish people and I say, look at Isaiah 53, 800 years before Jesus came to Earth. It’s a perfect description of Jesus, and they’re not even sure that the Bible is coming from God. They’re not even sure that there is a God. But show a Jewish person one, it isn’t an accident that the scriptures say, “The Jew requires a sign.” It isn’t an accident that the two times lightening has struck revival with Pastor John Kilpatrick. These are the ingredients. He has a heart for the presence of God .He has a heart for walking in holiness. He has a heart to pray and he has a heart for the Jew and Israel. I said something spectacular would happen on this particular segment. I guess I’m holding back. I’m expecting it on the next segment. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

JOHN: Jesus! Father, we pray tonight that every life will be touched and bondage will be broken, that addiction will be broken, and Father, the fear and the anxiety, and Father, the weight that people are carrying tonight will be lifted in the name of Jesus. God, I pray for every sickness, every disease in the name of Jesus. By the power of the blood of the shed blood of the lamb let the healing power of God flow through your body right now in Jesus’ name, in the name of Jesus.