SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernaturally. And wow, that’s all I have to say. Lightening has hit twice because on Father’s Day, 1995, lightening hit in Pensacola, Florida, and there was a move of God’s spirit. Four-and-a-half million people went through the doors of your congregation. Never in your wildest imagination did you expect four-and-a-half million people from all over the world because they were hungry for God. And then that ended. But there was a prophesy that you didn’t know at the time about there was going to be 50 miles away another move of God’s spirit. Tell me about that.

JOHN: It was prophesied at the very time they prophesied the revivals coming to Pensacola that it would go 50 miles to the west, and I didn’t know that, you know. All I knew was there was there was a prophesy about a revival coming to Pensacola. And so whenever I left Brownsville, in 2003, I moved over here and started a church in 2006. I had been gone from Brownsville about close to three years. And when so I came over here to start this church I didn’t know at that time about the prophesy that it was gonna go 50 miles to the west. And if you leave the parking lot at Brownsville and go to the parking lot at the Daphne Civic Center it’s exactly 50 miles from parking lot to parking lot, exactly 50 miles.

SID: I want to take you back to that Father’s Day service because I like it. That’s why. I understand, you know, as any pastor that has a large congregation, you have to have certain authority and things in place, etc. But you got hit by the spirit of God to the point where you were on the floor for how many hours?

JOHN: That day I was on the floor for four hours. But honestly, I was really not incapacitated, but I was really almost useless for three months.

SID: I have an inside information on you, well maybe I won’t tell you who from, but someone in your house very close to you had to take your shoes and socks off every night because you didn’t have the ability.

JOHN: That’s right. And I had to have ladies come home with Brenda to help undress her and get her ready for bed because she couldn’t get herself ready for bed. I couldn’t take my shoes and socks off. And actually, it took me about three months to be able to function and to get my sea legs and to be able to function under the glory where I could pray for people. It took me about three months.

SID: John, what is the glory? How would you describe the glory?

JOHN: I would say the glory is the manifest presence of God. It comes from the word “kabad”. It’s a Hebrew word. It comes from it. And it means “heavy”, the heavy, weighty presence of God. And so, you know, most people understand the anointing. Most people understand the blood. But when you start talking about the glory they get confused and they sort of intermingle the glory with the anointing and they’re completely separate. The anointing is God’s authorization in a person’s life to do the works of the ministry, but the glory is God’s weighty presence. And that’s what happened when they dedicated Solomon’s temple. The glory came in to the point where they could not even stand to minister.

SID: I read about that, and it is so tangible there. And that was under the Old Covenant. How much more should we have under the New Covenant? But now let me take you fast forward. Lightening struck again. You had a young evangelist that you knew nothing about beyond, you know, he got a good reputation, but you had never heard him yourself, a little nervous and he speaks. When were you touched by the glory? And I understand this was the first time of this magnitude since the Brownsville-Pensacola days.

JOHN: Yeah. He spoke for me the remaining two nights of my conference, this year, which I held in July, and he did a wonderful job on Thursday night. But Friday night when he came in miracles actually broke out, and we saw blind eyes open and deaf ears pop open.

SID: Out of curiosity, about how many deaf ears popped open?

JOHN: I saw six people’s ears pop open within a space of 20 feet. I saw ears pop open.

SID: Did you know at that moment that he’s back, lightening has struck again?

JOHN: Yes, I really did. I knew, I heard the familiar sounds of a revival. A revival has a sound and I heard the sounds of revival. I heard them there and then I heard the moans, and I heard the praise, and the worship, and it was sustained. It hits a crescendo and it just sustains itself, and it brought back so many memories of Brownsville. And I knew, I said to myself, oh my God, it’s back. And so this revival is not only a revival of God’s presence like Brownsville was, but I would say that the differences, the miracles are more plenteous, they’re more frequent, and they’re major miracles. We had miracles at Brownsville, too, but these are all the time, and I would say by the hundreds.

SID: Wet my appetite. Tell me about that pastor’s wife. As I understand it, she had an auto accident and she was in a wheelchair unable to walk for 23 years.

JOHN: Twenty-two-and-a-half years. It happened on Christmas night 22-1/2 years ago and the only way I ever knew her was in wheelchair. As a matter of fact whenever I left Brownsville my wife, when she’d go to church she’d drive to Mobile to the Bishop’s church, so she knew that. We knew them and they’re wonderful people. And boy, when they came that night and made them pray for her and she said, “Oh, I feel your hand on my foot, my leg,” I knew that she didn’t have any feeling below the waist, and so I knew, I said, “Oh my goodness.” So she moved the foot things off the wheelchair and she tried to stand up, and she stood up just for a second and fell back down. You could tell, I mean, she didn’t have the ability to stand.

SID: Well her muscles had atrophied from all those years.

JOHN: They had atrophied. And so she sat there for about four or five more minutes, and this time she stood up. And when she stood up she sustained herself. And so Bishop got under one arm and I got under the other arm, and we began to help her walk. And at first she could just barely move her feet, but by the time we came back after two or three laps around the church she was moving her legs like a majorette.

SID: What was going on inside of you, in you?

JOHN: I wanted to run.

SID: You wanted to run.

JOHN: I mean, I was jumping up and down and I thought, my God, I’m gonna snatch her shoulder out. She had her shoulder wrapped around my arm and I just jumped up and down. I thought, I’m gonna snatch her shoulder out of the socket. ‘Cause, I mean, I was watching Bishop’s face, Sid, when she was walking the first time, ‘cause I knew that he new his wife, and I was watching his face when he was trying to help her walk.

SID: He had never seen her walk. How long had they been married?

JOHN: Nine years and she’s been a wheelchair 23 years. So I was watching his face, and whenever she started moving her feet I saw a look of horror come on his face like, oh my God. And then I saw tears jump out of his eyes.

SID: John, hold that thought. There is such a presence of God and that’s the name of this congregation, Church of the Presence of God. That’s what God told him to call this place. I can’t wait to what’s going to be happening when we come back. Be right back after this word.

JOHN: Something deep inside of me was calling out to the deep of God and I said, “Lord, there’s gotta be more.” And I would come in here in this building and I would scare myself, friend. It was the stillness of that dark pre-dawn hours, 4:00 in the morning, 3:00 in the morning, and I’d lay on that front row and I’d grab my belly and belt out like a cow. Oh God, I need you, Lord! I would walk these floors and I would cry out loud. I knew nobody was around. I knew nobody could hear and I’d lift my voice some times until I would be hoarse and I would say, “God, there’s more. There’s got to be more!”

Sid:  Now, my guest is red hot for the Messiah. He understands poverty and he understands the principals of the Bible that cause people to prosper.  And as a result, I mean you don’t have to be a mental giant to know that the world economically is in trouble.  Although, interesting enough, guess what country is prospering beyond anything you ever imagined.  Israel.  I mean, I should amazingly, but it is.  Yeah, most of the other countries are really running into economic problems.  So I asked Charles Vance, because, and you’ll find out his background in a moment. Because of his background to teach a series called “Prospering in the Hard Times” because it is not based on the economy.  It is based on the Kingdom of God principals.   And why did I pick Charles Vance to do this?  Because, #l. He was born in West Virginia.  Charles, for those that aren’t that familiar with West Virginia, tell me a bit about the economy of West Virginia.

Charles: Well, according to my last censes Sid, I don’t think that’s most recent, I don’t think all the results are in, but that the last censes, it was the most poverty stricken state per capita in the union.

Sid: And you know a, it seems to me as I read a bit about your life, for instance in 1975 you went into the construction business and you were barely getting by. But, what we were your expectations inside of you having been raised in poverty?

Charles: Well any, I think any time you are raised around poverty you are going to think poverty.  The mentality is, this is, this is what’s gonna be pretty much the rest of my life.  And that was my thinking.

Sid: I’ve seen so many people, their parents had nothing and they have nothing and they don’t realize it but they are just reproducing their parents.

Charles: I call it going to seed.  Until something different gets planted in someone, they’re going to reproduce the same thing over and over and over again from generation to generation.

Sid: Okay, so you get in the construction business in ’75.  You don’t think you are going to do much and you don’t do much.  But, then in 1981 you ran into an interest rates going up to what 21% and what happened to your business?

Charles: Well, it stopped.  I think the construction business around the country stopped in 1981.  They raised the prime interest rate to 21% and nobody was borrowing any money to build anything.  To build new homes or to build remodeled, to do anything hardly.

Sid: And one day, a friend of yours, who was a Pastor, you had him on the telephone and things were so bad you said “please pray for me.” What did he say?

Charles: He told me no! It was just kind of like somebody stuck something in my face.  I thought, man we’ve been friends for a long time, I can’t believe you’d…no, I need your prayer; I’m in tough financial condition.  The kids are sick it’s a mess.  People from church were handing me, we call them, a spiritual Pentecostal hand shake, Sid, and they’d have a ten dollar bill folded up in their hand to give me some money or bring me some food.  We were in a horrible financial condition.

Sid: And so, he would not pray for you, but he said he wanted to spend some time with you and as a result of this time; keys were opened up to you.  I don’t understand why you didn’t understand some of these keys, having been in the church so long.

Charles: You know if nobody teaches them, I’ve found for myself, that you can read the Bible and just read it through and if you don’t have revelation of it you are just reading words.  But if somebody can wet my taste on a particular direction in the Word of God, for instances about the goodness of God, the love of God, the grace of God, the mercy of God, the things that God desires for me to have.  The things that was purchased through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, things come alive. Start coming alive and I start hunting then and this is actually what happened when my friend started sharing with me some truths. Just some Biblical laws, it caused me to start hunting through the Word of God. And as I began to hunt through the Word of God, I discovered that God wanted me to prosper even in the midst of a poverty stricken state, He wanted me to prosper.

Sid: In the midst of a poverty stricken state and in the midst of even recessions and interest rates zooming up.  I mean you had everything going against you except for these Biblical Principals and as a result of following these, principals what happened to your finances in 2004?

Charles: Well, in 2004 we actually became millionaires my wife and I, and, were still in the state of West Virginia. I’ve had people say, have you lived there all of your life.  Not yet, because we are not dead yet.  God is continuing to bless us.

Sid: Now, according to what I’m reading here, according to the United Nations report, you and your wife are among the top 1% of the wealthiest people in the world.  And I understand when you teach these principals to others, people have actually become millionaires from following these principals which are right in the Bible.

Charles: This is as simple as somebody making Jesus Lord of their lives.  You know that the Bible says in Roman’s chapter 10:9 if thou shall confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thy heart that God has raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.  So I am saying something, I’m saying it by faith making Jesus the Lord or the boss of my life and then believing inside of me that Jesus died for my sins and He was raised from the dead the scripture says you shall be saved.  There’s a positive, there are laws in, I hate to use this term, but it’s like a recipe or a formula in the Kingdom of God that God gives us routinely throughout the scripture.  When he tells us to do something he tells us that there’s a blessing attached to our obedience by faith.

Sid: But you must have tremendous business knowledge.  You must have tremendous abilities in the business world.

Charles: Thank you, your flattering way way to much because that’s not true.

Sid: Wait a second, if you’re in the top 1% of the wealthiest people in the world you’ve got to be just brilliant.

Charles: My Uncle Vic was eighty years old and he walked through this building with me that we are currently our ministry is housed in is 40,000 square feet.  By the way, it is paid for completely with two business deals that God allowed me to make.  And he walked through this building and stopped back at our TV production department and said Charlie, son you couldn’t have done this, he said you’re not smart enough to do this.

Sid: Now, did you agree with him or were you embarrassed?

Charles: No, I thought it was funny.  He is a real frank fellow.  He went on to be with the Lord now, but I said Uncle Vic, you are exactly right.  He said this was the Lord, son.  He always called me son, he said, this was the Lord.  Well, there is no question about it. Now, did I have to use some diligence?  Did I have to use the knowledge that I had?

Sid: Now, did you have to work hard?  Or did you just sit back and let it happen?

Charles: No, you know work hard, but I think work smart is a lot more intelligent way to do any kind of business.  And I’ve learned that to work smart with the principals of the Word of God the God that I’ve learned through His word.  They’ve changed my life financially, but they have to be put to work.  You can’t just say, well there it is so it’s going to fall on me. It doesn’t happen like that.  Nothing in the Kingdom of God happens like that. No matter what God creates for us, if we don’t work or do what he instructed us to do, James said faith without works or action is dead.  We have to put our faith together with the Word of God and we have to put action with it.  We have to do something.  Follow the instruction that God gives us and we have found that when we follow the instructions of the Lord, even when we are in the midst of a state that is just covered in poverty.  The poverty mentality is just extraordinarily horrible here.  People think poverty, they talk poverty.  We’ve just discovered that when we put those principals to work, that it reminds me of Isaacs in Genesis 26 when he sowed in a land of famine because he obeyed the instructions of the Lord, he received a one hundred fold harvest in the same year.  And it’s happened time and time again for us.

Sid: I have to tell you many Bible believers are so turned off about the manipulation on many Christian programs having to do with money, that they just want nothing to do with it.  Is that equivalent to throwing out the baby with dirty bath water?

Charles: Oh, I certainly believe that it is because there are Biblical principles. You know, I tell our folks this, at our church. You spend forty, fifty, sixty hours a week working for money and then when you come to church a lot of times you don’t want to hear anybody talk about money.  Well, it what you do the most of your waking hours.  Why wouldn’t you want to hear what God’s Word says about your money and about your finances?  Because it’s threaded throughout the Word of God and it’s not just in one spot here and there.  It’s all over throughout the Word of God.  And God has principals, not for us just to operate our life spiritually by but he wants us to operate our lives while we’re on this planet by the principals of His Word.  And every time that we do and do them by faith success has been the result for me and I know that it has been for many people that I know as well.

Sid: Well, you have taught a four CD series called prospering in hard times and you’ve taught these principals for many years.  Give me one quick testimony of someone that has taken your teaching and I might add, it is the most balanced teaching that I have seen and you also include “You’ve Got To Be Walking in Biblical Character”.  Tell me one quick testimony of someone who took your course and what happened.

Charles: There’s a couple people that attend our church that have been here for a few years, probably ten years that was in church with me.

Sid: Were out of time, bottom line what happened to them?

Charles: They started mowing fields for a utility company and became millionaires.

Sid: Okay, I’m not saying that you’re going to become a millionaire, but I’m saying if you follow these principals, you will prosper in all areas of your life.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth your investigative reported here with two gentlemen from Africa. One was a former witch, the other a former witch doctor. And actually you came from four generations of witch doctors. They understand the supernatural realm like few people that are Bible believers; in the west, in the United States. I want to understand the supernatural realm better. Now they were able to put curses on people when they were on the side of the devil and the people would die. So that means they know how to reverse the curse. That means they know how, when people are sick, to get rid of these spirits that are causing the sickness. You know the Messiah said to make disciples; to teach people my ways. If you were to teach me – and I want you to; both of you, I want you to tell me one thing that will help me move in the supernatural, will help me pray for the sick and see them recover. I want you to tell me one key. I’ll start out with you Samuel since you’re shaking your head the most.

SAMUEL: First of all, you have to be able to identify your calling and your office. That is one of the most important things. You must pray God to show you what you are in his kingdom. Now after identifying your office and your calling, now all that you’ve got to do now is now stay in focus and do the things he wants you to do. For example, when I came out from the witchcraft kingdom, people were really trying to take me off from deliverance because they said he doesn’t read the Bible. He just talk about spirit, spirit. He doesn’t know the Bible. He talks about this, this, and if I had listened to the people, I wouldn’t be sitting here. So first you have to be sure that what you are walking in is what God asked you to do; your calling and the office. Then after that, you stay focus and that’s it. You don’t struggle, and it’s there.

SID: And that’s what I see. A lot of people are gifted and they do a lot of different things. People that are pastors, many times they do so many different things rather than what God really wants them to do.

SAMUEL: Because in each person at a particular time, he gives you an assignment and an office and he’ll put anointing on you on that particular thing that you walk in. That line he puts our body, we are body. He said you walk in this line. He puts our body so when we meet the gift of Christ edifies the church and edifies the body.

SID: Now out of curiosity, do you know my calling?

SAMUEL: Ha! Ha!  I’m not praying to what’s your calling. I want to know where God has really fit you and I want to know where because it seems as if you are so interested in supernatural things and that’s where I want to help you. I want to really know where you’ve been fitted then you do like this because the heart is…

SID: So the job of an apostle is to help someone go into their calling.

SAMUEL: Yes and to plant a church.

SID: And to plant churches.

SAMUEL: God calls you to plant churches; that is the anointing on you. Within that short time you would just plant a church – boom! And I don’t mean to do it. I was telling him all my churches in my country but he has churches all over…

SID: How many churches do you have Surprise?

SURPRISE: We have 6,000 Churches.

SID: 6,000?

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: Alright. If you were to give me advice on moving in the supernatural, what advice would you give me?

SURPRISE: My advice that I can tell you is to spend more time with the Lord. That’s where the Lord can reveal his secrets to you and take the Lord as the first thing in our whole life and let him be important over everything else.

SID: Do you do that?

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: I want you to tell me one key that you have learned from the Lord of walking in the supernatural.

SURPRISE: One key is that I spend most of my time, sometimes on the mountain praying; fasting and praying. And when I’m on the mountain, I’m by myself sometimes or sometimes with a friend. We do sometimes a tri-fasting which we don’t do water. Not anything; no juice, no tea, no coffee; we just stay…

SID: For how long?

SURPRISE: For 4 days.

SID: I’ve tried that. That’s not so easy.

SURPRISE: It is not easy, but still the Lord showed up.

SID: When you say the Lord showed up, what do you mean?

SURPRISE: Oh, well I mean that even though….even one day, two days isn’t much for God. Yes, but we have to do that…

SID: You told me before we went on the air that God told you about someone that’s watching us right now. Would you talk to them?

SAMUEL: Yes. Somebody is in the labor ward and she’s finding it difficult to bring the child. Now I know that it’s Beelzebub who’s doing that. Now Beelzebub is in charge of witches and wizards. He’s in charge of necromancy. He’s in charge of black witchcraft as well as white witchcraft; and I’m going to rebuke the spirit of Beelzebub out of her and she’ll be delivered in the next 10 minutes. Father I pray over this woman in the name of Jesus. You spirit of Beelzebub in charge of witches and wizards, necromancy, sorcery, white witchcraft, black witchcraft, I remove you out of her tummy; her womb in the name of Jesus, and I command that woman to deliver at once, in Jesus’ name. Before the enemy will be aware, he will already be delivered. Yes, before the Egyptian will know, the Hebrew are already delivered, in the name of Jesus. I cause you to deliver and I remove the curses of Beelzebub; I remove the works of the devil out of your life in Jesus’ name. Be delivered now! Now! In Jesus name!

SID: We’ll be back right after this word. I know you’re not going away.

Sid: My guest, by way of telephone is Katie Souza. I am so excited about the revelations that God is showing her where she’s been able to be set free.  She has been able to be healed of things that she could not be healed of previously.  And she is getting other people healed and when you listen to her step by step teaching, for the Healing School and then the bonus CD we are offering the six from the Healing School and the bonus CD on how to activate the Glory Light of God step by step, how to do this. You are going to be walking in a whole new level.  On yesterdays broadcast we were talking about the activation of the Glory Light and you were telling me a testimony, Katie Souza.

Katie: Yeah, it was just awesome.  You know when you start to understand that what Jesus said.  He said that the prince of this world is coming, but he has nothing in me that is in common with him so he has no power over me.  So, I began to understand that as I got my wounded soul healed in the Glory Light, then I would begin to have more dominion over the demonic because  there would be nothing in my soul in common with demonic powers.  And I saw that playing out when I went on tour and I had a dream one night.  I had a dream I was cooking meth.  That is when you have a laboratory where you cook the drug called methamphetamine and that is one of the sins that I use to take part in over a decade ago.  And so I have that dream and I wake up and I say gee Lord, I haven’t done that for over a decade, but I don’t think that it was coincidence that you would have me have that dream.  I believe your showing me a wound in my soul because sin creates the wound.  And boy cooking meth is a sin and it put a wound in me.  And so I said, I’m just going to believe that you want that healed today for some reason before I go to my first meeting.  So, I lay down and I began to put the glory light of Jesus on my soul to heal that wound and in fifteen minutes, I got the healing.  We teach on that the CD that you are offering that the people can know how to do it and how to know they got the healing.  So in fifteen minutes I get the healing and I go to the healing.  I walk into the room that I am going to minister in and I smell in the spirit the chemical used to cook methamphetamine. And I thought, that can’t e a coincidence, so I go to the hostess who is holding the meeting and I tell her about my dream and I tell her what happened.  She said this, well this room, before we bought this building was used as a methamphetamine lab.  And I knew what Jesus was doing.  I knew that the Lord was saying, you got to go minister in that place today.  You need to have complete dominion so that there can be nothing in you that is in common with the demonic  so that the demonic will have no power over you.  So, that is why God showed me that in my soul that night and when I got the healing of it I walked into that building,  I had authority that I wouldn’t have had before and signs and wonders broke out.  We even had a woman that was getting healed of bipolar.

Sid: Have you had many people healed of such things healed of bipolar and things to do with their memory and their brains?

Katie: Yeah, and we teach that on the disk that you are offering too.  We understand who the king is that is over some of the mental disorders.  We’ve had people in meetings feel like a hand was scooping through their mind and their mind instantly cleared up.  We’ve had people in the meetings see like light filling their mind and then they got a healing of mental disorder.  A husband was healed of mental disorders.  We have had a lot of healing of things that are attached to the brain.

Sid: Now, you stated that you had the Glory Light of Jesus shine on you to get you healed.  How did you do that?  But for those that are listening.

Katie: Well, first I have a scriptural understanding that the glory light of Jesus the Messiah heals us.  I saw it in Malachi 4:2 says the son of righteousness, meaning Jesus arises with healing in His wings and the beam.  That is in the Amplified.  That means beams of light and I started to look at that word healing and He arises with healing.  Well, I know that Jesus uses light to heal, but can it actually heal the soul, our mind, our will and our emotions.  And that word healing that there is the word, Marpai it actually means to mean sound of mind.  And I began to see proof.  Every where Jesus would say, “I’m the Light of the world”, “I bring the light, which is life” I would see that those words would be… that they would translate from the Hebrew and the Greek into the word soul and into the word healing for the soul and light for the soul.  So I believed what I saw in scripture, that the light can actually heal the parts of your soul, your mind, your will and your emotion.  And so very briefly, the very most basic thing I did was that  I get my soul wounds healed.  The first thing I do when God brings something to my mind.  Oh, remember when that happened or this happened I first put the blood of Jesus on that.

Sid: Now what most people when something comes to remembrance, they repent, they say they are sorry.  But, your finding that it is much more effective to do the next two things.

Katie: And that is what we have been missing, that is what we have been missing, Sid.  Because, I’m telling you what?  Let’s say somebody really offends you, they really hurt your feelings and you get offended and worked up and maybe speak against them.  And then you go before the Lord and say I’m sorry, I repent.  I forgive them and I repent and bless them and everything else and the next time you hear that person’s name you catch yourself still feeling upset about it. Your thinking, why I repented, I forgave.  Well, because creates a wound and we have been repenting and putting the blood of Jesus on the sin, but we have not been putting the glory light of Jesus on the wound to get it healed.  If the wound is still there, wounds control your mind.  They affect the way you think.  They affect your emotions, so we need to do both.  This is the missing thing that we have been doing.  Even with fighting the demonic.  We have been claiming the blood of Jesus on any of our sins to cleanse, to close the door so the demonic powers would not have legal right to afflict us.  Then we are fighting and warring and we are wondering why we aren’t getting the victory.  Well, one of the reasons is because we put the blood which forgives the sin but we have not put the glory light of Jesus to heal the wound that was created by the sin.

Sid: You know that’s what I love about your six CDs in the Healing School.  You make it so easy to understand.  And we are throwing a very special bonus, which would be worth the whole..If you got this bonus it would change your destiny and your life.  It’s called the Glory Light and how to activate it step by step.  I think that it’s time Katie, for you to pray for us to have those scar and those wounds removed and for healing to break out.

Katie: Yes, I just want to release right now into whatever atmosphere that you are sitting in right now the power of the blood of Jesus and the glory light of Jesus now.  I ask that Jesus presence break out where ever you are out right now.  And I ask that in His light, in His glory light that you would receive revelation.  That you would get dreams and vision about what ever wound is in your soul and God wants healed in Jesus’ glory light.  You would have an understanding.  A memory would come to your mind.  Or you would see a picture or you would have a dream tonight, even as you are soaking right now and receiving the light because in His glory light we see light.  That is what the scriptures say.  Then you would take that revelation and you would begin to meditate on the scriptures about the light of Jesus.  How He is the light of the world and how when your eye or your soul is filled with light your entire being will be sound.  And I decree the loosing of light upon every wound and the blood on every sin in Jesus name.  Wiping away the sin that created the wound and then the glory light going to heal the wound.  More and more light.  I decree more and more glory light, more and more of Jesus’ glory light loosed and penetrating, going deep, going back in time to the very place that that wound was formed inside your soul.  I decree right now that you are going to receive a healing in the glory light and its going to change the way you feel.  It’s  going to change your emotions.  It is going to change your peace level.  It is going  to change the amount of dominion that you have over the enemy.  Everything that is in you that is in common with demonic powers is going to be healed in the glory light of Jesus and you are going to see a whole new level of dominion and authority as the stuff that’s in you that is in common with the demonic is taken out in the glory light and you’ll have total dominion and authority over powers and kings and master spirits.  And I decree more light, more glory light, more glory light, more of the glory light, more of the glory light, more of the glory light. Transformed into His image in the presence of the glory light.  And that tonight angels will even come in and beam the glory light of Jesus into your room as you sleep.  That they will beam it into your mind so that your mind, all of the wounds attached to your mind will be healed.

Sid: How would you like six CDs of this type of teaching and anointing  that is on it.  It is called the Healing School and then the bonus CD, “How to activate the Glory Light of Jesus,” step by step.

Sid: I can tell you that God wants everyone everywhere to have their houses 24-7 filled with the atmosphere of Heaven.  Speaking of the atmosphere of Heaven, and  the atmosphere changing, that is really an amazing story Julie True about how the atmosphere changed in a counseling between a husband that was fighting constantly with his wife in the counseling session. Tell me about that.

Julie: Well, a lady who was a counselor who was working with a husband and wife, she said that they came in fighting from the very beginning and she decided to just put on a CD of mine to comfort her.  The counselor said that it just changed the atmosphere and the husband and wife both of them just started weeping.  They just kept weeping and weeping and then it kind of freaked them out because they didn’t understand what was happening. And they asked her, “Is that Christian music?” She said yes and told them that God was touching them and cleansing their hearts.

Sid: Julie tell me about the person that had a uterine cyst when your music literally sang over her.

Julie: That was a lady that came to our church one night and she had actually had a cyst that was enlarged and it was putting pressure on her nerve.  She was in excruciating pain and had been absolutely incapacitated for the whole day and insisted that her husband bring her to church for prayer.  We had never met.  She had been watching archived shows of your’s that day. Her faith was being, you know, built up and she could receive healing from God.  She told her husband that I know that Julie True goes to this church but I would love for her to sing over me because I’ve heard that God is using her music.  So anyway she comes in. It is totally crazy story about how she came in to get a heating pad and the usher led her in to this room. She had no idea we were in there because the church service was going on in another room and she stumbles on to us, me and two prayer people that were with me.  So we end up praying for her and singing over her.  I sing over her and she had about 30% better instantly where she could actually move and was able to sit in a chair which we had not been able to do.  By the next day she was completely healed of that whole situation. And she had had an ultrasound before and had one after, and the cyst had shrunk and she had no more pain.

Sid: People are being healed, suicides are being prevented.  Again, how would you like that supernatural peace just saturating your entire house, your entire family? I think it would change everything and everyone.  Tell me about the suicide that was prevented.

Julie: Oh wow that one really touched me.  A person who carries my CD’s in South Africa had a lady call in who just started weeping and weeping on the phone.  And the girl that was talking with her could hardly understand her.  And she starts finding out that this husband and wife, that their son had been murdered about a month earlier. And the husband had been so distraught that he was at a point of complete hopelessness and was going to commit suicide.  He went out to get in the car and leave and go carry out this thing and my CD “Breathe You In” was playing in the car. And God, I don’t even know what part it was, but God used it to arrest him and he just was touched by God and completely changed him.  He let go of the whole idea of suicide.  He came back and they said that they just keep that CD playing 24-7 in their house and it has been like a life line to them.

Sid: How about the person who was watching “It’s Supernatural” when you were on and literally they could feel the robe of Jesus brush across their face.  And then their whole family had manifestations of God.

Julie: Yes, this lady said that it affected her whole family, her husband especially had been, she had taken him to church and he had all these kind of churchy experiences, but somehow God used my music in that moment to really touch him and he cried and cried.  Then he closed his eyes and for the first time in twenty years he just began speaking in tongues and spirit language and he was in the presence of God.  She took a picture and said that in the picture she could see angel wings around him.  So they had an incredible encounter.

Sid: I think everyone that listens to your music is going to have incredible personal encounters of intimacy with God.  But there was a change in your life when you began for the first time to learn you couldn’t work for intimacy with God.  It was simply because God loved you.

Julie: That’s right. Well we had had a speaker at our church that really had a big impact on me, and had had a lot of understanding about the love of the Father, and the heart of God as a Father. And so I started receiving that and understanding the truth. And I had really believed a wrong picture of who God was and thought He was kind of this stern person that was shaking His finger at me and that every mistake I made I was being held accountable .  And there was just no place for the fact that Jesus loved me and His grace covered me and it wasn’t about how well I performed.  And you know when you receive that love then you have something to sing about.  So it is hard to sing about somebody that you feel like doesn’t like you very much.  Anyway it changed everything, it changed the whole way that I communicated with God.  I began to sing songs of love to Him and songs of the thankfulness.  Those are really key things. Thankfulness opens up the heavens to us, and it opens up a pathway between us and God.  So that was a huge turning point in my life.

Sid: You know one person said describing your music, “it is the most meaningful heavenly music I have ever listened to.”  Another person, a friend of mine James Gall, prophesied over you that your music would be an interactive healing experience.  What does that mean to you?

Julie: Well, to me what I didn’t really know what it meant in the moment when he said that; but what I realized since then is that every time I lead a soaking worship and prayer time it is me interacting with God.  Then people kind of opens up a place for people to come along with me in that place that I am connecting with God, and then it helps them.  So that is what I think it means, we are both interacting with God, we are both receiving healing, and He is touching deep places in our heart.

Sid: Speaking about touching deep places even people with Alzheimer’s are being touched and affected by your music.  Tell me about the selection we are going to play today “Free to Fly.”

Julie: It was the last song on “Sounds of Healing” which was another one of those interactive healing experiences, and I had been through just a whole lot of things in the midst of that soaking time that we had that day.  It was at the very end I had sung about having nothing holding back from God and then pure peace.  We just sensed God’s pure peace and I was singing about how there is nothing like it.  And then the violinist just started playing in this beautiful melody on the violin.  I felt like God, I was just like an eagle being set free.  I was just free to fly there was no ceilings in God.

Sid: You know, I’ve had dreams in which I’ve seen myself flying and it is the neatest thing in the world.  I’m just curious, has that ever happened to you?

Julie: I’ve never had a dream about that but I’ve definitely felt that musically and in the Spirit.

Sid: Well, you know what?  I believe people are going to feel that way when they hear “Free to fly.”

Sid: That was from “Sounds of Healing.”  I want you to have two CD’s music CD’s by Julie True.  One is called “Breathe You In” the other “Sounds of Healing” and I want to saturate your car, saturate your office.  I mean doctors are using this.  Counselors are using this.  Healing rooms are using this.  Now it is time for you to use this music and we put together what we call a mini soaking kit.  It includes two CD’s and a special bonus on how you can have your own soaking room.  Whether it is just you or your family and have intimacy with God and hear God’s voice and just enter into an interactive experience with God.

SID: Hello Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Tracy Leigh. I have difficulty relating to what happened to Tracy, but unfortunately throughout the world, many, too many can relate. Tracy, as just a young kid, five years of age, you were almost addicted to pornography. How does a five year old get this way?

TRACY: You walk downstairs and you lose your ball, your little ball underneath a chair. You go up underneath the chair and you find a Playboy Magazine.

SID: But it wasn’t just pornography, it was women. Why women? Why do you feel that?

TRACY: Well at the age of five, I was molested by a friend of the family who had molested a lot of children in the neighborhood. And when I didn’t perform for him the things he wanted to do – he would go into the bedroom and he would rape his sons. I felt sort of obliged.

SID: My goodness you were sabotaged from the very beginning. But then something very traumatic happened to you; tell me about the fire.

TRACY: I was at a brownie meeting and my mom didn’t come pick me up. I called over to my Grandfather’s house and he was a little mad because she’d been over at the house doing some laundry; wondering where she was. But she never abandoned me any time, so he was a little confused so he came and picked me up. From a distance, we saw this puff of smoke. I just started praying because I didn’t want anybody to get hurt. Then we got there – it was my house. My mom was in there. I blamed myself for her death.

SID: Now you really were close to God before that point, but why did that cause you to feel distant from God?

TRACY: Well, they found her in the kitchen with the phone in her hand. I’d hung up the phone as she’d picked it up and a little girl; the enemy finds opportunities. And in my brokenness he found it. He said it’s your fault. Your God does not love you. If he loved you this wouldn’t happen; and the reason it happened is because you’re bad. You’re a murderer; you killed your mother.

SID: And you believed that.

TRACY: I believed it.

SID: So you were estranged from God from that point until age 30; you went to live with your father, and that wasn’t so great either. Why?

TRACY: My Father was a witch. He practiced a lot of the dark arts, a lot of occult and when I got in there, I was numb. I had no feeling at all and there’s alcohol readily available; and pot and everything else. So the first time, I took a drink, I was about seven and it numbed the pain. And thereafter, for the next couple of years, as soon as an emotion would come, and I’d go to my father to deal with the emotion, he’d tell me it’s all in my head and that I was being a martyr and a selfish child and I would go numb. I would go back to his liquor cabinet. By the age 9, I was drinking daily.

SID: And things even got worse. You had an incident with a woman?

TRACY: Oh well, that started when I was about 10 – where…

SID: That’s pretty young, Tracy.

TRACY: Yeah, yeah.  Girlfriends would come over and apparently they were going through things too. Because we were attracted to each other, and it was a lot of heavy petting and being in the arms of somebody who loves you.

SID: But I imagine the trauma of all traumas was when your own father tried to molest you.

TRACY: Yeah I was older, I was older then. When I was 13, I was very extremely well built and he’d dress me up in silks and satin and take me out with his friends and they would use me and abuse me also. And all I knew to have somebody love me was to give my body up. So I gave my body up to men; I gave my body up to women; I gave my body up to anyone who would take it.

SID: At that point did you just think it was normal?

TRACY: Yes, because sexuality and sensuality was all over our home. I’ve seen my parents naked more times than I care to imagine.

SID: So when your father molested you, you left home. How old were you?

TRACY: I was 14.

SID: What does a 14-year-old girl do in this big world? I don’t know how you could have coped. I can picture my own daughter when she was fourteen I don’t see how she would’ve coped in an environment like the world.

TRACY: Well I hung out with one of his friends and she introduced me to a couple of people that had some clubs; and because I hung out with my father these people had seen me in the bars with my dad; knew my dad, so I started dancing and the striptease: taking my clothes off for a living at fourteen.

SID: Were you well compensated for this?

TRACY: Yes.

SID: How much were you making a year?

TRACY: I think we added it up and the first and second years I probably made about 200 thousand a year.

SID: And looking back then, were the alcohol, the drugs, the sex – was that enough of an opiate to mask all of your problems or are we hurting on the inside?

TRACY: Oh Sid, for a time it was fun. I was numb. All of those emotions could die. I created; being a minor, I had to create ten years to add up to my fake id that I had. So I had a whole new life. I created a big lie for ten years. I lied about my age; I had to. So I lied about everything. I mean, I had new parents, I came from wealth; all I had to do was get on the phone and call and they would drop a million dollars in the bank for me. I’m doing this because I’m beautiful and you love me.

SID: And I assume you were able to bank quite a bit of money.

TRACY: Not a penny.

SID: Not a penny?

TRACY: Not a penny.

SID: Making that kind of money – can’t bank anything, but she was numb so it didn’t matter. I’ll tell you what – when you find out what happened next in New Orleans, you will be shocked. Be right back right after this.

Dave: Well we were at a prophetic conference at Morningstar Ministries in Charlotte.  Rick Joyner’s ministry and we signed up for a prophetic ministry time with a small team and this team of several people gave us some wonderful words.  My wife and I were just amazed at the timeliness of those words.  But then as we were getting up to leave the room a young boy stood up and he pointed at me and he said, “Sir your about to walk down a dark corridor.  The enemy is about to commit a grave tactical error because when you come out of that dark corridor you are not only be strengthened but you are going to strengthen other people.   And at the time that Word did not mean a thing to me.  And we just kind of tucked it away.

Sid: Although the Word didn’t mean a thing to you it was not a very comforting word.  Weren’t you a little troubled?

Dave: No, it is not the kind you hope to get. I felt like I got a bad cookie at a Chinese Restaurant.

Sid: So you threw that cookie out and got another one.  No, I’m just teasing.

Dave: (Laughter) didn’t throw it out, but the day that I was diagnosed with leukemia I went home.  They wanted to admit me to the hospital immediately. I said, I need a night with my family just to pray and prepare for what’s ahead.  I went home that night.  As we were going to sleep that word came back to us and it spoke peace to us, especially the part about going through and coming out the other side. We realized you know, I’d read that passage in Isaiah where the Word of the Lord comes like snow and then like water. And I thought well, sometimes the Word of God hits me like water and immediately I know what it means. But this was like a snow Word.  It sat up on the mountain and it was awaiting the right time to melt and it melted and trickled down into our hearts and gave us great comfort.

Sid: Now tell me exactly what the doctor told you,  you had.

Dave: She sat down with me and said that they had done a blood test and they were going to do a bone marrow test, which only confirmed the fact that I had acute myeloid leukemia, which is the most aggressive strain of leukemia. Every one of my white cells that they tested were blast cells or inferior cells.  Leukemia is an attack on the body’s immune system so it destroys and distorts white cells.

Sid: Did I hear you right?  Every one of your good cells were bad? Is that what you were saying?

Dave: Every one of my cells designed by the Lord, the white cells designed by the Lord to fight off disease and infection.  Every one of those was weakened by this attack of leukemia.

Sid: And the staff told you about how long might you have to live?

Dave: Well, this was Thanksgiving and they told me I would not see Christmas. So it was a month between.

Sid: What would happen if you had such a death sentence? 1. you wouldn’t be prepared, 2. I mean your healthy, you are just going on out to a doctor to get rid of a flue that seems to be handing on.  What do you do?  That is why I’m so excited about this four CD teachings series “Moving Beyond disappointment.  It is not just sickness, it’s life, it’s promises from God that haven’t come to pass.  It is promises in the Word that haven’t come to pass.  It is discouragement that has gotten in and calcified your faith.  You need to listen to this over and over again.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I’ve been so looking forward to interviewing Dean Sikes because, you know, a man’s gifts make room for him, Dean. And I’ve heard such wonderful things of your prophesies to people. As a matter of fact, what did God tell you was your call?

DEAN: To be a messenger. And you know, messengers do two things. They receive messages, they deliver messages, and that’s what I do.

SID: Tell me when you realized that you were really hearing from God and you had messages for people. I mean, did it start really like this as a young child?

DEAN: You know, I heard His voice when I was about seven years old for the first time. I heard I call my name like he called Samuel, and then at 21 I had an encounter with God when I heard him again. But it wasn’t until I was about 30 years that I really began to hear God’s voice for other people, and that began me on a journey of wherever I go anywhere on the planet God just begins to talk to me about people, and I just say what He says.

SID: Now I understand that you deliver messages to people like Kenneth Copeland. I don’t want to put you on the spot, but I do want to put you on the spot. Could you share the last message you gave to Kenneth Copeland?

DEAN: Sure. You know, one of the messages that I most recently that I shared with Brother Copeland is that there is a new political movement underway in the United States. There have been two major ones that God has really been involved with. There was the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition and now there’s a third one underway here in the United States where Christians, people who love God come together and build righteousness, you know. It’s neither Republican nor Democratic. It’s what’s right in God’s eyes.

SID: Now why did you give this to Kenneth Copeland?

DEAN: Because I believe the Lord spoke to me that he would be the person that had great influence over this people, the people that would literally be the leadership of this new grassroots organization.

SID: Well speaking of government, there was a man that was a senator running for governor. Tell me about him.

DEAN: Right. Interesting story there. There’s a guy that’s in the United States Congress and he was running for governor of a state and the Lord spoke to him and He said, “He’s my person to be in the governor’s office and I’ve got a message for him, and you’re gonna need to get it to him.” And I said, “Well Lord, he and I know each other from a distance, but we don’t have communication. You’re gonna have to set this up.” Well He did. And about four or five nights later, my phone rang late one night and it was this congressman saying, “I hear you heard from God for me.” And I began to share with him what the Lord had told me. And it went from the throne of God to me, to the congressman, to a gubernatorial debate. I was hearing from across the airwaves what God had spoken to me in the privacy of my prayer.

SID: Well there was a point in your life where, sure, you heard the audible voice of God call your name as a young child. But there was a point where it became a gusher. Tell me about that.

DEAN: Twenty-one years old and I’m working in real estate development, had whatever society says makes you successful, a couple of airplanes at our disposal, a condo in Florida. Things. The things had me. I didn’t have them. That’s a troublesome place to be in life. I grew up in church, went to schools that, you know, were Christian based schools. And at 21 I said, “God, I don’t think you’re real. I don’t think you hear me. I feel pretty stupid even talking to somebody that doesn’t even exist. But if by chance I’m wrong, if you really are real, if you’ve got a plan for my life, would you please just prove to me that you’re real.” So don’t ever under any circumstance ask God to prove to you that He’s real unless you’re ready for an encounter of the first kind. Two weeks go by, I’m sitting in my office not bothering anybody, nice office, dialing the phone, not bothering anybody and off behind me to my left I hear this voice and it was a commanding voice with two words: “Call mom.” Call mom. I didn’t say what it is. I dialed 344-7443. The phone rang seven times. On the eighth ring my mother answered the telephone, and when she said hello I instantaneously knew something was horrifically wrong. Her voice was slurred. She was disoriented. I was about to learn that in the moment in time when God, by His spirit, said to me, “Call mom” and obeyed, my mother was attempting suicide.

SID: If you had not obeyed.

DEAN: She would have died.

SID: You’re sure.

DEAN: I know it.

SID: Okay.

DEAN: The medical side of her life proves that out that she would have died. I ran out of my office, got into my car, drove up Interstate 75 to a little community called Onawa, Tennessee, and as I drove into my parents’ neighborhood from the outside in, their home was fine, safe secure, probably like where you all live. But from the inside out my mom was dying. I said a very simple prayer. It would not have been studied. It would not have, you know, gotten any attention of a lot of religious people. But it was in my way saying, “Hey God, I can’t save her, but you can. Please do only what you can do.” I banged on the door, my mom came down some stairs, she fell in my arms. I picked her up. I carried her to her car, drove her back down the interstate, and that day, God saved my mom’s life, and said to my dad, I will never forget it. He said, “Mr. Sikes, there’s no medical reason to share this with you. It’s a ‘miracle of God’. Your wife is alive. She made it. You can go see her.” And since that day, Sid, she left the hospital. She went back to school, became a Christian doctor herself, and today helps people in a counseling ministry that she helps come through what she came through.

SID: But it really became a gusher when you were speaking for a teen group one night. Tell me about that.

DEAN: Oh yeah. I do a lot with teenagers. I love reaching out to young people. And I was in Charleston, South Carolina, pretty large youth group. And when I was speaking that night I began to hear the Holy Spirit say, “There are multiple people here who think death is better than life, maybe like someone in the audience right now. Maybe you think death is better than life. When God made you He didn’t go, “Oops, I made a mistake.” He put his stamp of approval on you. And when I was in Charleston ministering that night and the spirit of God talked to me about suicide and I gave an altar call, you know, an invitation if you will, you know, if you’re dealing with this and you have the courage to raise your hand, I was astonished the number of people whose hands shot across that auditorium. They took us to a room by ourselves. And Sid, there was one young man. I don’t think I’ll ever forget him. He had looked at me with tears coming down his eyes and he says, “Dean, at home right now the shotgun is loaded, the note is written, but because you heard that I was in trouble, God said to you, ‘There are those who are gonna die tonight. If you’re dealing with suicide make a decision.’” He said, “Because I heard those words I’m choosing to live.” And you know what?

SID: What.

DEAN: He lived. He did not die. He put the gun away, tore the note up and he’s doing great today.

SID: So you realized you were hearing from God very, very clearly.

DEAN: Oh yeah, yes.

SID: But what happens when you’re in another country, Australia, and you have lost everything? You got into really deep debt, and I imagine some of you can relate. What do you do? God showed Dean supernaturally how to get out of debt. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth here your investigative reporter of the supernatural here with William Morford and we are having a blast. I mean we are talking truth, so the million-dollar question Bill is: if Paul was not a tent maker, which is what everyone says he was, what was he?

WILLIAM:  He made tallit.

SID:  Explain what a tallit is.

WILLIAM:  Tallit is a prayer shawl. And the prayer shawls, in the first century, were very large like ponchos; and I’m sure that they would buy the kosher material which would be extended from wrist to wrist and hang down to the knees; just have a whole cut for the head and then on that…

SID:  So the Spanish didn’t invent the ponchos, we Jews did!

WILLIAM:  That’s right see that’s what was worn in the wilderness and that’s why it’s referred to in Deuteronomy as a man’s blanket. In the Torah it says you can’t take a man’s blanket for security; you lend him something overnight. He has to have his blanket. That was his prayer shawl.

SID:  Okay, now what do the fringes on the prayer shawl…because I’ve got my father’s here actually, here and this is the fringe. What did this represent?

WILLIAM:  Well it’s called a tzitzit in Hebrew, but this corner fringe is what is commanded in Scripture, in the book of Numbers, and it represents all the promises, all the commandments of God.

SID:  Okay, explain to me the woman with the issue of blood. The King James says she reached for Jesus’ garment – what was she reaching for?

WILLIAM:  She was reaching for the tzitzit; for the fringe. The Greek word is kraspedon and it is just used throughout for the translation of the Hebrew word tzitzit. But when…see the purpose of it is to look upon it and it’s for both the wearer and for everyone that sees this out on the street. Because Jesus and all the disciples wore these; and virtually every Jewish man in Israel wore one, and outside of Israel. And they would look upon it and know that, when an anointed man of God wore that, if they could touch this, that this held all of the power of God in it; and that’s why she knew she would be healed if she touched that…

SID:  Okay, but right after she was healed, He went to Jarius’ daughter who had died; and He said no she’s just asleep and they laughed at Him; and He went in and He said, I can’t pronounce it; “tallit cumi?”

WILLIAM: Yes, tallit cumi.

SID:  Now what does that mean?

WILLIAM:  That means prayer shawl arise.

SID:  That’s tallit – obviously! So how come it’s not translated that way?

WILLIAM:  Because the translators just don’t know about it.

SID:  Tallit arise; so what does that mean? Why did he say tallit arise? I don’t get that.

WILLIAM:  What He did was He took off His prayer shawl, and He laid it on her body, and then He spoke to the prayer shawl. And do you know who taught me about that specific thing? Rabbi Ben-Yehuda.

SID:  Whose grandfather invented modern day spoken Hebrew.

WILLIAM:  That’s right.

SID:  I’ll tell you, you can see God’s hand on you, but you also understand healing and that’s why this is such a fresh translation. Tell me briefly, very quickly, what happened to your eyes.

WILLIAM:  I wore glasses; they were required on my driver’s license. Although my vision wasn’t bad, I was nearsighted and needed them to drive. And the Lord spoke to me and I spoke with friends saying, I know the Lord could heal my eyes. And they said well when is He going to do it? And I said He’ll give me a sign, and the very next day my glasses broke.

SID:  Well that’s a sign; that’s a sign to get new glasses. (laughs)

WILLIAM:  But I didn’t. And for the next two months, every morning when I’d get up I would see very clearly no matter where I looked and then it would get a little fuzzy again. And after two months of that I got up one morning and everything was clear and stayed clear. And I was meeting a friend, a pastor, for breakfast and I took him out into the parking lot and I could read license plates further away than he could with his glasses; I could read road signs further away than he could.

SID:  Let me ask you something, the acid test is you went down to get a driver’s license did you need to get glasses?

WILLIAM:  No and I haven’t since.

SID:  How old were you?

WILLIAM:  Last time I was 70.

SID:  And I understand that you had such a revelation – this isn’t for everyone – but you had such a revelation of healing, that you don’t even take medication. Do you take a little aspirin though for the hearts sake?

WILLIAM:  Nothing.

SID:  Nothing?

WILLIAM:  Nothing.

SID:  You look pretty healthy to me.

WILLIAM:  I am. I gave blood last week and my blood pressure was 120 over 80; my pulse was 66.

SID:  And you’re not taking any blood pressure medication?

WILLIAM:  Don’t take anything of any kind.

SID:  Another idiom: the binding and loosing; explain that briefly.

WILLIAM:  Those are critical because to bind is a Hebrew idiom meaning to forbid and loose means to permit. So what Jesus was saying in Mathew 16, and He repeats it in Mathew 18 is that whatever we bind, whatever we forbid on earth will already have been bound in heaven with ongoing effect.

SID:  So in effect if we know what’s going on in heaven we can enforce it on earth.

WILLIAM:  That’s right.

SID:  And the only way we know what’s going on in heaven is this book: the Bible. Hey it’s so simple. You have to become like a child.

WILLIAM:  That’s right we have to be as open and free to think as a child.

SID:  Okay has heaven forbidden sickness?

WILLIAM:  (laughs) It has.

SID:  Therefore, we have the right to look into the camera and be Gods enforcer by using the name of Jesus; I like to use His Hebrew name, but He responds to any language in the world. And I can be God’s enforcer right now. In the name of Yeshua, I command, I forbid that spirit infirmity on your back. I command it to leave in Yeshua’s name. I forbid that, not sickness, that evil spirit, I bind you in Yeshua’s name and I command you off of God’s people; and I pray the

Shalom of God upon you. Your spine is being straightened right now you’re feeling it and you’re hearing it; there’s cracking going on in your spine and in your neck, and in your breathing passages; you can breathe clearly your ears are opening up. Oh it’s so strong in the back right now. I am so glad that I know that I have authority to enforce what my God has done, and I know it from the word of God. It became flesh and it’s written in this book. I think you ought to read this book.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth here your investigative reporter the supernatural here with William Morford and we’re talking about a new, fresh, vibrant translation of the New Testament that has the action that was originally intended in the New Testament. I can tell you from just the tenses and the action words that are used; it has given me a whole fresh understanding of the New Testament. I can’t read the…it’s like I’ve never read the New Testament before; and trust me for 30 years I’ve been reading the New Testament, but there is something very fresh – I believe it is bashert, a Hebrew word that means it is meant to be; but in addition to that, it’s like a two edged sword. William Morford got to know a traditional Jewish rabbi but he wasn’t just any rabbi he was the grandson of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda. You see Hebrew had been a dead language for a thousand years; just in the Holy Book, but not a spoken language.  And his grandfather went to Israel, one of the early Zionists, and if his grandfather hadn’t been the architect of modern day spoken Hebrew; I mean he literally created many of the words of Hebrew. This is the grandson that you studied under and his name is Eliezer Ben-Yehuda; and how many languages does he speak?

WILLIAM:  He speaks eight.

SID:  And I would imagine he is very articulate in Hebrew

WILLIAM:  Oh absolutely, absolutely; because he grew up there. He came to the States roughly the age of 20 to go to college

SID:  Why did he teach you? I mean you’re not Jewish – why would he teach you?

WILLIAM:  He feels that he’s to be a bridge, to build a bridge between the Jewish people and Christians. So he was very active in the Lakeland area and Ministerial Association and so on. And he’s just very willing and certainly able to bridge the gap between us.

SID:  Before we get to some of the things he taught you I have a theory and I want you to tell me whether I’m right or wrong. In the New Testament, there is the book of James but we know that James wasn’t his name. We know in the Greek, it’s Jacob.

WILLIAM: Right.

SID: And so therefore, why is it James? Did it have anything to do with King James who authorized the translation? Is this just my imagination or could there be something to it?

WILLIAM:  It has everything to do with it. It was the translators of the King James who wanted to bless their benefactor because they were paid to come together and…

SID:  But you can’t change the word of God. You’re not supposed to. All right, what about something like the word church. How many times is that found in the Greek New Testament?

WILLIAM:  Zero, absolutely none.

SID:  Zero? Zero! You haven’t read the King James lately.

WILLIAM:  Well you’re right, I haven’t done that.

SID:  It’s in there.

WILLIAM:  But it’s not in the Greek.

SID:  Why is it? What is the Greek?

WILLIAM:  The Greek has the word ecclesia which is talking about a gathering of people. So it’s the congregation that Jesus and all the disciples were talking about. And see that’s very Jewish; the Jewish refers to the congregation – it’s the people.

SID:  I always thought the church was never brick and mortar.

WILLIAM:  Right but when we say church we immediately see a building with a steeple and that’s not correct.

SID:  What about something like Easter? King James talks about Easter. What is the Greek word for Easter?

WILLIAM:  The Greek word is a corruption, is pesach, which is the Greek writing of pesach.

SID:  That sounds like Passover.

WILLIAM: Right.

SID: So how did Passover, pesach become or Passover, become Easter?

WILLIAM:  You’ll have to go back a few hundred years and talk to the English translators of the Greek text because Easter is not there.

SID:  I’ll tell you what, this bothers me immensely and let me tell you why though; because I’m Jewish. I was born a Jew and I’ll die a Jew. I had an encounter with the Messiah of Israel: Yeshua in Hebrew, Jesus. And after this encounter with Him, I found that most of my Jewish friends don’t believe in Jesus and the reason is they feel Christianity is a different religion. But as I have studied, it is just New Testament Judaism is what Christianity is. The rabbis went astray because they needed a replacement for the sacrificial system and they opted not for Jesus, and then many Christians went astray because they separated themselves from their Jewish roots; your Bible brings the two back together. I love it.

WILLIAM:  That’s right that’s where we should be. And that’s why in my translation I use the traditional English names because this is aimed at the church. This is to bring Christians into an understanding of where the first century church was. See the church today, in the really going ahead churches; the churches are looking for the power of God. They want to be copies of the first century church as we read in the books of Acts, but we’re not where the first century church was. That was the weapon of power, was through Jewish roots their ties to the Tenach, to the Jewish scriptures. And their growing up knowing of a relationship with God and focusing on the seasons of the Lord; on Jewish life as it’s supposed to be led; focuses on people, it’s on individuals as Malachi says “to return the fathers love to the children and the children’s love to the father.”

SID:  Bill give me an example quickly of an idiom that, if we took literally, we would totally miss.

WILLIAM:  Well talking about the poor, the poor in spirit; that’s repentant.

SID:  That’s so much easier to understand. I mean I have struggled with: what does this mean, poor in spirit? It’s the repentant but there’s so many. And was Paul a tent maker?

WILLIAM:  No,

SID:  He wasn’t a tent maker! Don’t tell them what he was. We’re about ready, and you know what? You’ll be so amazed when you find out what Paul’s profession really was, because it ties in with the power of God. I mean the Hebrew roots coming together tie in with the power of God. We’ll be back in just a moment. Don’t you dare go away!