SID: Becca, I want you to tell us how to get God’s strategy. Do you need God’s strategy for your unsaved family? Do you need God’s strategy for your health? Do you need God’s strategy for your ministry? Do you need God’s strategy for every area of your life? How do we get this?

REBECCA: You know, Sid, this sounds really simple when I say this, but when we become a people that pray, we become a people that really set aside that time to magnify who He is, and we quiet ourselves in that place, we don’t just come with a list of “I need this, I need this,” but we begin to build that relationship, and what happens in that relationship is He will speak to us a strategy where He wants to use us to see victory come. Can I give you an example?

SID: Please.

REBECCA: You know, the Lord spoke to me. We do this for individuals. We do this for cities and regions. The Lord spoke to us this strategy that He gave us. He said, “Go to Germany. Go to Germany and pray in this city” because He wants to release a harvest of souls. My husband and I, we took a team. We prayed. The Lord has spoken this to me in the glory. I told Greg, “We have got to go,” my husband, “we’re going to Germany.” He knows when the Lord’s speaking an assignment like that, he’s like, “We’re going, God’s going to do something.” We go and it was actually on the 500th year anniversary of the Reformation. We didn’t put that together. I don’t know why. But when we went to where we were, they began to tell us there was a lot of occult, we knew this part, in that region that was holding back a harvest. We wanted to pray to see God set this region free.

REBECCA: But we ended up in this location and there was a lot of bloodshed in the Reformation that happened from the Catholic to the Protestant, so we wanted to repent for that. We got onsite and we started repenting and we ended up literally in this location where the gentleman that was very much against the activity of the Holy Spirit, the glory like what we’re talking about, really talked and debated this. He said, “We have to remove activity of the Holy Spirit.” We ended up right there where he had been. We did not know this. We repented and we began to worship the Lord, saying, “God, bring a harvest into this region where all these things in the past have held it back and from a breakthrough.”

REBECCA: God’s presence as we worshiped began to come and He told us to go to another location after we had done this and repented. We went into this location. It was a study hall where they actually taught people to disallow the activity of the Holy Spirit. There was a gentleman there. We were the only ones there. There was a gentleman there by the name of Klaus, which means “the people’s victory.” We found that out afterwards. We go in and it’s on Pentecost. We ended up on the 500th year anniversary of the Reformation, Pentecost in this location where the activity of the Holy Spirit was taken out. I saw on this sign that they were going to be having a concert. They were going to be doing a classical performance on the stage. There was a stage in that hall.

REBECCA: I sang opera for nine years. It was a Jehovah sneaky moment. The Lord said, “Becca, go up and ask him if you can sing on that platform.” I did. I said, “Can I sing? I sing?” He spoke broken English so I sang two lines of a German aria in German. What began to happen, even singing the aria, the presence of the Lord began to fall in that place where they had said, “No more Holy Spirit.” Not only did it fall, it fell on Klaus. I then went into singing “Amazing Grace” because the Lord said, “Release the sound from this place of my grace that a harvest can come.”

REBECCA: I opened my mouth and started singing “Amazing Grace” a cappella. By the time I was done, Sid, Klaus is sweating profusely. The glory of the Lord is in this location and he was weeping at the same time. I said, “It’s Jesus and the Holy Spirit.” He was seeing Jesus in that moment and he said, “Ja, ja, ja, ja! Jesus wonderful! Jesus wonderful! Oh, my heart! My heart!” For his [      ]. On that day, Klaus got saved, had his Holy Spirit encounter, and a harvest began to break out in that region.

SID: You know, I’m having the thought. When we come back, we’re going to have her sing over you. When she sings over you, I believe you’re going to get strategies, supernatural strategies, to be a winner and not a loser in every area of your life. Be right back.

SID: Listen to this, in a five year period in a sleepy southern town, 4 million people came to one church in this five year period. Of the 4 million people that came to this church, 450,000 gave their hearts to God. I have the pastor from that church, the Brownsville church in Pensacola Florida. I have to believe it still seems like a dream, I would have to … I never said that to you, but I mean that just doesn’t happen, John.

JOHN:  I know.

SID: What attracted all those people?

JOHN:  The presence of God, there’s no doubt about it. When the revival broke out that day, it’s like … we had been praying two and a half years and it was like the fumes were released in the church by gas fumes.

SID: Now I was told that earlier, before this Father’s Day, it was 1995 when the Holy Spirit just erupted, you had taught 10 lessons on the glory of God. What is the difference between teaching on the theory of the glory of God, and having the glory invade that place?

JOHN:  Well, it was like … we prayed in two and a half years for revival, and it was like the fumes were in the air and so God sent the evangelist and he was the match that God used for revival to break forth. The thing that really surprised me about revival … I mean it’s been called the Pensacola outpouring, the Brownsville revival, the Father’s Day outpouring, but it was revival. I don’t doubt that at all, but I believe personally it was a reintroduction to the American church of the glory of God. That’s what I believe that it was. All the old timers knew about the glory, they talked about dying, going to glory, and they believed in the glory, loved the glory. Today, we hear a lot of talk about … and there’s nothing that can top the blood, the blood of Jesus is the main thing.

SID: So what is the glory?

JOHN:  The glory of God is the weighty presence of the Lord. Now, I want to say this right upfront before I go any further, there’s nothing that can top the blood of Jesus. Nothing. Nothing can top it, but I will say that the glory of God is the presence of God and it’s what man craves. He wants to feel close to God, he wants to feel that presence.

SID: What can happen in the glory of God?

JOHN:  I believe that’s where the major creative miracles will happen, is in the glory. When the glory comes in, I believe that’s where the real creative miracles … I remember one night in Brownsville, this woman started screaming during praise and worship. During praise and worship is usually when the presence of the Lord would be coming to heal. All of a sudden, we’re standing on the platform and you can feel that hot heat coming. This woman starts screaming, and she’s staring at her husband. I grabbed a handheld microphone and went down there and whenever I got there she didn’t even seem to care that I was coming. She was just staring at her husband. He was a Vietnam veteran, and they threw a grenade on him. He took that grenade and threw it out of the tent, and when he did it exploded midair but it blew part of his hand off. It blew all the meat off the tendons, and he had a crippled hand. Well, his hand was growing back in that presence of God.

SID: On this greater glory that’s coming, in fact you teach about the former and latter glory from the Scripture. Tell me about that?

JOHN:  Well, there’s always been a former glory even when Solomon went into dedicate the temple, the Bible says that the glory of the Lord came, the presence of God came and the priest couldn’t even stand to minister. When the glory of God would come on me in the early days of revival, my eyelids would start closing. I was totally conscious, I could hear everything but my eyelids would start dropping and it felt like just a warm something came all over me and wherever it did, I was just totally, totally, totally, totally relaxed. I would just lay over on the chair beside me on the platform, or sometimes they’d put me behind the soundboard. Whenever the glory of God would come in, it’s so therapeutic that what I think is happening today in churches is that many churches are cutting down on their service times, and they’re rushing people in and rushing people out. We’re not giving God time to get to His people, to let the glory of God come in. We’ve got to give God time to get to His people.

JOHN:  I believe that there’s people that go to church every Sunday, that love their pastor, and they love their church, and they’re not disgruntled. But I believe there’s people every week that go to church that are so desperate for the Lord that they go in one way, and they leave out the very same way. They’re not dissatisfied, they’re just unsatisfied. You need time to rest, and to soak, and to marinate in the glory of God. That’s what gives you the strength to make it through the week.

SID: But what would it be like if the presence of God would hang out in your home? What would it be like if the presence of God went with you wherever you went? What would it be like if that presence of God could be felt, could be seen, could be smelled, could be heard by nonbelievers when you come in their presence? We are going to talk about how that glory can hang out in your home, be right back.

FRANCIS PRAYS WITH THE AUDIENCE REPEATING AFTER HIM PHRASE BY PHRASE:

[Say]: Heavenly Father; I willingly; and joyfully; denounce; [insert your mother’s last name and add word “lineage] [Say]: Heavenly Father; I denounce; the lineage; that this name represents; and all the demonic technologies; that are attached to it; through the timeline; of this lineage; can no longer; be superimposed; over my life and destiny. I renounce; my allegiance; to this lineage; in order; to possess; Yeshua’s; holy; and flawless; prophetic bloodline!

AUDIENCE:  [REJOICES]

FRANCIS:  Okay, now hallelujah. Okay. And now we are going to deal with the married women. So everybody keeps quiet except for the married women.

FRANCIS PRAYS WITH MARRIED WOMEN REPEATING AFTER HIM PHRASE BY PHRASE:

[Say]: Heavenly Father; I willingly; and joyfully; denounce; [insert your husband’s last name and use word “lineage] [Say]: I denounce; the lineage; that this name represents; and all the demonic technologies; and iniquities; that are attached to it; through the timeline of this lineage; can no longer; be superimposed; over my marriage to my husband. I give it up; to possess Yeshua’s; holy and prophetic bloodline; I decree and declare; that it is only the blood of Jesus, that shall now speak over my marriage!

AUDIENCE:  [REJOICES]

FRANCIS:  Okay. Now we are going to deal with people if you never knew your biological parents. Is anybody who never knew, because if there is nobody we don’t have to do this, but anybody you never knew your biological parents, okay, there, a couple of people, okay, all right, amen, hallelujah, praise God. Amen. By the way, scientists did an experiment where they looked for children who never knew their biological parents and when they put them together they behaved in the same way. Amazing. Say this after me, only those, everybody else keeps quiet–

FRANCIS PRAYS WITH THOSE ADOPTED AND WITH UNKNOWN PARENTAGE REPEATING AFTER HIM PHRASE BY PHRASE:

[Say]: Heavenly Father; I do not know my biological parents; even though I bear; their genetic inheritance. But You know; my biological parents. Therefore I trust You; to free me; from any iniquity; attached; to my biological parent’s lineage. Heavenly Father; I willingly; and joyfully; denounce; the lineages; that their names represent; and all the demonic technologies; and iniquities; that are attached through their bloodline; throughout; the timeline; of their lineages; can no longer affect me in any way. I renounce; my allegiance; to these lineages; in order; to possess; Yeshua’s; holy; and flawless; prophetic bloodline!

FRANCIS:  Now everybody joins in everybody we’re dealing now with superimposed DNA. Okay?

FRANCIS PRAYS WITH AUDIENCE REPATING AFTER HIM PHRASE BY PHRASE:

[Say]: Heavenly Father; I willingly; and joyfully; denounce; all; and any; superimposed DNA; arising from witchcraft; sexual assault; blood transfusions; trauma; sexual immorality; adoption; rejection; or mind control. I strongly denounce; all the demonic technologies; and iniquities; that are attached; to this; superimposed DNA; throughout the timeline; of its lineage. I renounce; any allegiance; to this superimposed DNA; in order to possess; Yeshua’s; holy; and flawless; prophetic DNA!

FRANCIS:  Hallelujah! All right.

AUDIENCE:  [CLAPS AND REJOICES]

FRANCIS:  Now, we are getting ready. We are this close to jumping the line, that’s where the miracles now get consummated. Hallelujah. Are you ready for this? I feel the rumblings of the glory of God in this place. Okay, say this after me.

FRANCIS PRAYS WITH AUDIENCE REPEATING AFTER HIM PHRASE BY PHRASE:

[Say]: Heavenly Father; as I now prepare; to jump over; the prophetic bloodline; I release my faith; for the healing of my body; and all genetic anomalies; in Yeshua’s name; I pray. Heavenly Father; I also beseech you; to deliver me; permanently; from all; generational curses; arising; from the lineages; that I have this day denounced; in Your royal court; by superimposing; Yeshua’s; flawless; prophetic bloodline; over that of my own. Thank you, Yeshua; for healing me; from any; and all; genetic deficiencies; in the name of Jesus Christ!

FRANCIS:  All right.

AUDIENCE:  [CLAPS AND REJOICES]

FRANCIS:  So now I have 30 business people at a business meeting stopping a business meeting to jump the line. Okay? And this Canadian business woman jumps the line, jumps the line and flies back to Canada. Okay? And she had a 16 year old boy who was addicted to marijuana. He smoked like a chimney. And she said, ‘I had done everything in my power. I had threatened him, I had bribed him. Nothing worked. Nothing worked.’ You know and when this business meeting– was about 9:30 p.m. on a Friday, so that’s when she jumped the line. She flies back to Alberta Canada on the Sunday. And the boy goes to pick her up at the airport– and she gets to the airport– and they’re driving back and he says, ‘Mom, I’ve got to tell you something happened to me– She says, ‘What happened to you?’ He says, ‘Mom, since Friday night I have not smoked one joint of pot!’

AUDIENCE:  [CLAPS]

FRANCIS:  The mother said, ‘Are you playing with me, you’re kidding me, you can’t go an hour without smoking that, you have smelled up the whole house. He said, ‘Yeah,  –Friday night I went to smoke a joint and when I lit it up– it smelled so bad. And so I couldn’t take it– and I tried it again after another hour it smelled so horrible so I took everything and I trashed it down the toilet. I have not had one joint–

AUDIENCE:  [REACTS]

FRANCIS:  So she calls the business man who was running the meeting and she says, ‘Tell Dr. Francis to keep making people jump that line. Because–I have tried everything and my boy is now free. And he was not even there.’ What amazing stuff. Hallelujah, praise God! Amen? I’ll give you one more, because this miracle’s going to happen tonight, that’s what the Holy Spirit said. I was in Austin, Texas and there was a woman–and..I did this [jumping the line teaching] and she, her family had chronic insomnia. The most chronic type of insomnia I’ve ever seen. It was generational. As a matter of fact some of her family had died from exertion. The insomnia took them and most of them were gone. And it was happening to her, she was an executive for a Fortune 500 company, and just the demanding nature of her job, and put on top of that– she said ‘Even with multiple Tylenol PM,’ she said, ‘Dr. Myles, I could not sleep more than 4 hours. I would drug myself and in 2 or 4 hours I was up and it was having such an effect on the body.’ So anyway she’s in the church and hearing me talk about how she can change a genetic inheritance. And she jumped the line. This was on a Saturday night, and she was one of the leaders in the church. It was a prophetic house. And so she goes to sleep.    And– she puts [on] an alarm clock and she goes to sleep. When she went to sleep, by the time her husband woke her up and the only reason why he woke her up was because he thought maybe his wife was dead or comatose because she had been sleeping for 12 hours.

AUDIENCE:  [LAUGHS]  Whooo!

FRANCIS:  And she had gone through 2 alarm clocks. 2 alarm clocks, didn’t hear it. Finally the husband said, ‘–What are you trying to do?’ He said, ‘I know you are normally by church by 8 o’clock. It’s 10 o’clock.’ She said, ‘Oh my God!’ He said, ‘You’ve slept for 12 hours– and he says she started sobbing in the bed–. she had the husband and she sobbed. She said, ‘Oh my God, I jumped the line last night.’

AUDIENCE:  [CLAPS]    Ah, Amen.

SID:  You’re about ready to see a demonstration of His great name! Barbara, would you come forward. And Barbara, you’ve got such hungry people watching our DVD at home and in the studio audience right now. I just commission you to be all that God’s called you to be. Please –

BARBARA:  Amen, Lord. We just thank You that You’re here. By the power of Your Holy Spirit. And there’s no power that’s greater than Your power. In the chair above every name that can be named, that there’s no name that’s greater than Your name. That every name in heaven above and in earth below must bow at the name of Jesus. And we just thank You that even right now every name is bowing at the name of Jesus. That whether it’s a name of finances, whether it’s a name of sickness and disease, whether it’s a name of a legal issue, whether it’s a name of a person standing in the way, that we declare right now that that name is moving out of the way and that the name of Jesus is being released in a brand new way. That we thank you, Lord, that You are here today in a breakthrough anointing. That which has been holding them captive in a narrow place is going to break loose, even right now, in the power of Your name that is above every name. The name of doubts, the name of fears, the name of anything, Lord, the name of poverty, that every name, the name of mental illness, mental illness has no power above the name of Jesus. The mental illness is leaving. That we just thank You, Lord, today that You are high and lifted up above everything in heaven above and in earth below and we give You all the glory and praise as we just gather around Your supernatural presence in Jesus’ name, amen. Just take a seat if you can. It’s just an honor to be here. And I want to just talk to you today about the fact that you and I might look normal, but we’re not normal at all. That– once you and I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit, when we come into a relationship with Jesus and we’re baptized in the Holy Spirit, that we have a supernatural God on the inside of us. What the enemy tries to do when we get into human circumstances, get captured, that we just believe, we begin to think we’re normal, we’re human and we forget that we are totally supernatural, not because of us but because of who sits on the inside of us. (Barbara gives a word of knowledge: In fact you, right here, you’re getting ready to breakthrough into an entirely different dimension. You’ve been crying out to God, you’ve even been fasting and praying and you’ve been saying, God I want this new anointing, you’ve been asking God for a prophetic anointing. And even today– the confinement is coming off of you. It’s breaking out of the way. And there was even somebody standing in your way, I don’t know who it was, that said you can’t do this. And it was, wanting you to come into agreement and you said, No, I can’t. But yet it put a damper on you, it pulled you down, and I break that in the power of Jesus name, and I say that you are coming now into a whole new dimension and when you leave here today you will not be the same as the person who walked in here.) You see, you see in the New Testament the Lord told the disciples to wait in the Upper Room until the promise of the Father would come upon them and anoint them with fresh power from on high. So that they could be what? Witness to Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth. The part that I found that people are most resistant to is to be witnesses.

SID: So my guest is minding his own business, 1983, he’s in a movie theater, Las Vegas and something happened way beyond best Hollywood movie. What happened?

KENT: Well, I just finished a worship seminar, worship weekend, for two and half days and when got there I started just kind of like I could feel the presence of God and then all of a sudden I was caught up out of my chair into the presence of the Lord said, I’ll never forget this, it only happened to me a couple of times. As I was coming up into the presence of the Lord, he was looking at me and I was thinking about how unholy I was, what was wrong with my life, what I still needed to work on, my idiosyncrasies.

KENT: The Lord was talking to me not with his but with his eyes, he said, “You’re such a good son, you bring such pleasure to me.” I started weeping. It was so intense I thought I was going to pass away. I said, “Lord, if you keep doing this.” I was coming closer and closer to him sitting on the throne and I found myself, I knelt down when he was saying you bring pleasure. When I got down, I got down on one knee in front of the Lord and I said, “What is it that you want?” A sword appeared in his hands, Sid, and he knighted me into full-time ministry. I was already in full-time ministry, so to speak in the natural.

KENT: As soon as the sword touched my shoulder, and I know it’s very supernatural, I started seeing people flying up off of hospital beds, I saw miracles happening wherever I went and sang the songs of heaven, prophetic songs of the Lord, people were healed. That’s what started happening immediately after that because the Integrity Music stuff I did from 1984 to ’93. Think about the date, 1983, it was a year before I started traveling with or for Integrity. Then, when I got out there another level jump happened. Can you imagine the Lord himself, a sword appearing in his hand and he knighted me into the ministry. I still think, I get chills right now thinking of it. It gave me another level of just releasing his presence and power that would touch people at a higher level.

SID: You know what’s so wonderful? It’s not so much you putting your hand and praying in the name of Yeshua, in the name of Jesus, it’s just in that atmosphere. In fact, God spoke to you how to create an atmosphere so that people can be in the presence of God. He said combine worship, prayer, and music. Explain to me what happens to people when they’re in that environment.

KENT: Well, it’s a specific word the Lord gave me. I was around 28 years old he says, “Kent, teach my body, the body of Christ, how to intermingle praise with prayer and worship with intercession.” And then I started thinking, my wife said, “Kent, if we give you a guitar or a piano, you’ll take us deep into 12 to 14 and then you’ve got a prayer topic, a prayer theme. Then you come back out about 10 minutes later you seem to lead worship in the cycle of deep worship into prayer intercession back out to deep worship.” That helped people encounter him.

KENT: I think attention span, it’s been lost a lot recently, last 10 or 20 years but when you get in the presence it causes people if they hang in there long enough, they really start getting the answers that they need from God. They’re against hard circumstances, there’s artificial ceilings, there’s demonic stuff or oppression against them, the presence knows no boundaries, it’s limitless. Thank God for the presence of the Lord that it’s limitless. It will sweep over people while they’re in it. It’s transformational.

SID: You say worship is not an event but a lifestyle. Comment on that.

KENT: Well, you can make Sunday morning, your church service, an event. It doesn’t mean that you’re worshiping during the week or reading the Bible during the week. I think a lot of our churches have turned into event Christianity or event worship. It doesn’t work. If you worship every day, the things you do everyday you become really good at, period. Even the world knows that. If you’ll enter into his presence for that 15, 20 minutes, I’m not asking for two or three hours, worship is a lifestyle.

KENT: They said, “Kent, what made you so different than the rest of the worship leaders?” Number one, I host the presence of God. I’m not all that. I’m not that smart. I’m not even probably that anointed. But when you presence, it’s released. And then when you do it as a lifestyle. Sid, I’m not having to get up for any meeting I’m ever going to do where they ask me to come lead worship, it’s always burning, it’s all at the altar, the fire is always at the altar.

SID: What would happen if a student has that worship?

KENT: A great awakening.

SID: What would happen if the businessman has that type of glory on him? What would happen if a mother, a housewife had that type of glory upon her? Do you realize that when you, you used a word, when you host the presence of God and you where ever you go the presence of God is going. I mean, there’s something going on in this world. Those that are hungry, those that learn how to worship, they are hosting the presence of God. But then, the glory of God is coming and can you imagine when those two collide?

KENT: Those that are led by the Holy Spirit, where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Listen, Sid, I’ve prayed for people at airports, rent a car counters because the people have a need, because I’m a carrier of the presence of God. I don’t just turn it on and off at night or in the morning when I get up. When you’re there you can actually impart something of the presence of God to even lost people because I really never had anybody say, “No, don’t pray for me.” If you do it the right way, people will receive it. Since you’re a carrier, this glory you’re talking about, you can do it day by day. That’s why when you ask me worship must be a lifestyle. The Bible, book of Acts, it was, not an event.

SID: But not when you’re doing a concert or something like that, when you’re home by yourself, how do you worship?

KENT: You know, I never turn the switch off. I’m constantly either praying in the spirit or I do a lot of singing, a light singing during the day. I just found there’s no reason to turn it off and I think a lot of people, “Well, I’m going through something really hard.” Then pull out an anointed worship CD or your iTunes or whatever you’ve got, stay in the presence of God all day long as much as you can.

SID: When we come back, I’m going to turn Kent loose. Get ready to receive.

KENT: Oh, on the keyboard? All right.

SID: Be right back.

[GUILLERMO MINISTERS THE IMPARATION TO THE PEOPLE AS HE BLOWS OVER THE PEOPLE]

Be healed in Jesus, be healed in Jesus, be healed in Jesus, be healed in Jesus, take it, take your healing, sister take your healing, take your healing, c’mon take your healing, take your healing, there you go, there you go, take it, c’mon pick it up, lift your hands and pray in the Holy Ghost, Jesus name, Jesus, Jesus name, Jesus, fresh impart, c’mon fresh, Jesus, shsssh, Je —, pick it up, pick it up, oh, God is on me, lift your hands, quickly, lift your hands, Jesus, there’s a fire of God, I want you to lift, keep praying in the Holy Ghost, don’t stop. Can you pick up the piano, can you pick it up, pick it up the piano, pick it up, put it up, put it up, put it up, don’t, don’t, don’t touch the people, don’t touch the people, don’t touch the people, leave it on the floor if they want to stay. All of you guys lift your hands: Father, in the name of Jesus, I ask you now, there you go, I want to touch, you, you, hungry, I would see the hungry people, c’mon Frank, Jesus name, touch ‘em, power of God, touch ‘em, touch ‘em, touch ‘em, (prays in tongues) I want to pray for hungry people, there’s the power of God, Jesus power of God, power of God, pick it up, pick it up, pray in the Holy Ghost, I mean let’s go pray in the Holy Ghost. Jesus, pick it up, pick it up, I want to pray for hungry people, Jesus, Jesus — shsh, Jesus, c’mon pray, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up. I want everyone praying in the Holy Ghost. Praying in the Holy Ghost, Jesus, touch her, touch her, touch her, touch her, (prays in tongues), the power of God is on you, the power of God is on you, the power of God is on you, power of God. C’mon, c’mon, c’mon, Jesus. Pray power of God, I want to pray for hungry people. Listen, lift your hands, lift your hands, lift your hands. Jesus, Jesus name, c’mon, (prays in tongue) I see there are so many expectators, but not people that are hungry! I want to pray for hungry people, hungry people, hungry people, hungry people, hungry people. C’mon, the power of God is here. Jesus, Jesus, the power of God, c’mon pray, pray for the Holy Ghost, c’mon pray in the, Jesus, power of the Holy Ghost, there you go, bring it up here, Jesus, power of the Holy Ghost, c’mon pray in the Holy Ghost, power of the Holy Ghost, lift your hands quickly, Jesus, power of the Holy Ghost. C’mon, I want to pray for, for hungry people, hungry people. The power of God is on her. The power of God is on her. The power of God is on her. Jesus, power, power of God, power of God, bring it up here, bring it up here, I need you, I need help here! Help, c’mon, Jesus. C’mon, praying in the Holy Ghost. I want everybody praying! I don’t want expectators! Jesus! Let her on the floor, let her on the floor. (prays in tongues) Keep praying in the Holy Ghost. C’mon, let’s praying in the Holy Ghost. Praying in the Holy — Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. (prays in tongues) You’re hungry, c’mon over here. Hungry people, I want to pray hungry people, Jesus, there you go, pick it up, pick it up, hungry people, only —Jesus — hungry people. Pick it up here, more, Jesus, more — Say with me: “fire, fire, fire, fire, fire  fire, fire, fire of the Holy Ghost. Let her go, let her go, in Jesus” name. Fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire,  fire, fire, the fire of God is upon that man, bring him up here, the fire of God is upon that man, Jesus. C’mon, pick him up again. Lift your hands. Fire, fire. C’mon keep praying. No expectators, I don’t want expectators. I want to hunger, Jesus, hungry people. Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up. Jesus, power, power, power, power, power, power of the Holy Ghost, power of the Holy Ghost, power of the Holy Ghost. C’mon, power. Let her go, let her go, let her go, let her go, let her go. Jesus, power of the Holy Ghost, c’mon, power of the Holy Ghost, lift your hands, lift your your hands quickly, lift your hands, pick ‘em up, pick ‘em up

SID: Yeah, this is so phenomenal. Tell me about the kidneys.

BRIAN: Sid, this is an amazing story. I was in South Africa in a very small prayer meeting, about 16 people. And the Lord gave me a word of knowledge about, there was a women here that has a kidney issue. And all of a sudden this lady stands up and comes towards me, her name is Jessie, and she begins to describe what had happened to her.

When she was 16 years old, her left kidney was removed because of an abusive thing that happened to her, and her right kidney was damaged to working about 2%. We prayer for her, she felt like a fire come through her body, is how she described it. Well, she had a routine visit to the doctor about two days later.

What they found was the size of a mustard seed growth on the right side. Now, hear that again, the size of a mustard seed growth. They thought at first it was a cancer. But could you imagine? This is what Jesus says, if we just have faith as the size of a mustard seed, and this mustard seed grew into a brand new, fully functioning kidney.

Absolutely amazing. And her right side, now working at 100% level. And so, Jesus just came in that moment with a creative miracle. And here’s the thing that Jessie said to me, she said, “I’ve waited 32 years for this miracle.” Can you believe that? Just a mustard seed.

SID: Are you someone special?

BRIAN: No. I’m not, at all. I’m just a skinny man trapped in a fat man’s body trying to follow Jesus. If I’m going to be honest.

SID: Brian, when you were a believer, you wandered into a church called Vineyard Church. And you saw miracles happening for the first time in those four walls, and there was something rising up within you, you told me, how can I take these miracles … Most people don’t even see miracles, you at least saw that miracles are possible today. How can I take it when I leave these four walls? I want a dying world to see these miracles, and you didn’t know how.

SID: And then you heard about a man by the name of Blaine Cook that was having a meeting. He was pretty far away. You jump in your car with your buddy. How far did you drive?

BRIAN: It was a 15-hour drive, and all along the way I am praying, asking God to pour out His Spirit upon me. I said, Lord, what you put on Blaine, put on me. What you put on John Wember, put on me. I’m hungry. I want to see the Kingdom of God come outside the four walls of the church. It’s amazing to see it inside the four walls of the church, but how much more should it be outside? It should be greater.

And so, I get to this meeting and Blaine had become like a hero to me. I watched him because he was just a business guy and he pressed into things and he was seeing hundreds of people come to Jesus on his work, on his job, during lunch. And so, I thought, Gosh, if I could just get around somebody, what could happen?

Anyway, to my amazement, we’re there in the meeting and it’s electrifying, the presence of God. I’m just so hungry. And Sid, all of a sudden, Blaine stops and he looks at me and says, “Young man, God’s power is all on you for power evangelism,” and the power of God hit me so strong that I literally just flew back out of my chair and started shaking under the power of God so violently, but it didn’t hurt. But it was just raw power of God coming through me.

And in that moment I was like, God, thank you for touching me. Thank you for touching me. Now give me an opportunity to see Your Kingdom come outside the four walls of the church. That was the encounter that I had.

SID: Okay, so he has a lunch break, now is his big chance, what happened?

BRIAN: Well, like you said, I asked for an encounter and God gave that to me. I had to go to Popeye’s Chicken for lunch, and I walked in. As I walked into Popeye’s Chicken, I see this lady in line and her arm was hurting … This was the impression that the Lord gave me. There’s something wrong with her right arm and I want you to pray for her.

Now, Sid, I had gotten words of knowledge inside the Church, but never outside the church. And so, when I heard that, He said, if you go pray for her, I’ll heal her. And I went, no way. Here I just had this crazy encounter …

SID: Why? Why did you say no way?

BRIAN: Because Sid, I got scared. I had let fear hit me and I thought, what if nothing happens? Well, my friend is standing next to me, named Greg, and he’s like, “Brian, what’s going on?” Cause he can see me looking at this lady and what’s going on.

I said, “I think the Lord might be saying something to me about this lady.”

SID: You’re really hedging?

BRIAN: Yes. And he said, “Brian, I was in the car with you for 15 hours and you were praying all the time. God, touch me, put Your spirit upon me, and then Blaine calls you out. The power of God comes on you and I know you’ve been waiting for an opportunity like this so just go pray for her.” And I went, no. Sid, I was the biggest chicken in Popeye’s Chicken that day.

SID: Okay. So then, a few weeks later, you’re at Walmart and you see your first miracle outside the four walls of the church.

BRIAN: Absolutely. Thank God He’s so gracious with us, right? And so, I was going through Walmart with a buddy of mine and we were looking for fishing equipment. And this employee comes up and he’s asking us, “Hey, can I help you?” I’m like, no, no. It’s okay.

The Holy Spirit speaks to me and says there’s something wrong with his eyes. He’s had them burning for two weeks, I want you to pray for him. So, I thought about that situation at Popeye’s Chicken and I didn’t want to be a chicken again. But here’s the truth, there was still some feathers that needed to be plucked.

And so, now, this guy is standing over this with some other Walmart employee, so I have to humble myself and walk over to them. And so, I just said, “Hey listen, God loves you so much that He would tell me something about you. You’ve been having this burning sensation in your eyes for two weeks. If you let me pray for you right now, God will heal you on the spot.” And then I was like, oh my gosh, what did I just say? Now I’m in it.

And he said “I’ve had this burning sensation in my eyes for the last two weeks. And yes, you can pray for me.” Now Sid, this is what I said. “Can we go down another aisle where no one can see us?” Because I really was in this place. I didn’t know how to do this.

Now, remind you, I had never prayed for anybody outside the four walls of the church. So this way, I brought him down the aisle and I just said this, “Close your eyes and assume the position.” Cause I didn’t know how to pray for him. Hold out your hands. And I began to pray, mind you, for his eyes. I said, “Holy Spirit, will you come and touch his eyes?”

And this is the response that I got.

And like you’re looking at me weird, yes. I was looking at him weird. I’m like, what is going on? So I just simply asked him a question, I said, “What is going on?” He said, “I can breathe! I can breathe!” I said, “That’s great you can breathe. I think the whole store knows you can breathe by now. But I was praying for your eyes.” He said, “No, no, no. You don’t understand. I had this breathing condition. I couldn’t breathe for the last two months, and I’m breathing.” And I said, “But what about your eyes?” He said, “They’re healed too.”

SID: But whatever happened to that lady in Popeye’s?

BRIAN: Oh, the lady in Popeye’s. She gets healed because my friend walks over to her and says, “ma’am…” And remember, he didn’t get a word. He didn’t have an encounter. He just taps her on her shoulder and says, “You have a problem with your arm. If I pray for you right now, God will heal you on the spot.” And God completely heals her.

And she goes, “How did you know that?” And he said, “See that guy over there?” And I learned a valuable lesson that day, that God and good friends never let you get away with anything.

SID: Now, I’ve got a question for you. We are commanded in the Gospels to proclaim the kingdom of God, but what is the kingdom of God that we are commanded to proclaim? Be right back.

SID:  Well let’s just take the statement you just made. What is the Biblical basis for the covenant of the land with the Jewish people?

SANDY:  That traces all the way back to Genesis where God covenants with Abraham. Goes into Genesis 15 where God specifically makes that covenant unconditional, meaning that even if Israel sins God’s covenant with Israel still stands. God reaffirms that covenant in Genesis 17 specifically to Isaac, and not Ishmael. Then reaffirms it—

SID:  Who, and by the way, Ishmael is the father of the Arab people. But go ahead.

SANDY:  And then reaffirms that covenant specifically to Jacob, and not Esau. And then the Old Covenant as well as New Covenant scriptures continue to ratify or reaffirm the existence of God’s covenant with Israel. That Prophet Jeremiah says “only if the sun stops shining and the stars in the skies fall away and the heavens can be measured will my covenant with Israel cease and will Israel cease to be a nation before Me.”

SID:  Okay, but that begs, that begs the question what you’re saying right now, as an attorney you have the right answer—and that is many would say “yes,” but that was a conditional covenant and the Jewish people were disobedient and so therefore they lost out completely. But just that scripture you use, is there any other scripture?

SANDY:  Well, there are many. Let’s us jump to the New Covenant because usually we’re talking about a Christian perspective. In the New Covenant, the Apostle Paul in Romans 9 through 11 affirms over and over again, “Has God rejected His people?” No. Romans 11, verse 1. Paul goes on to say that the gifts and call of God are irrevocable. In Romans 9 Paul writes specifically that “Israel’s is” — meaning “still is,” in Greek it “still is” — “Israel’s is the promises and the covenants.” And then there, there are scriptures where Yeshua Himself strongly implies, very strongly implies that God’s covenant with Israel still stands. Acts chapter 1, before He is sent into heaven He affirms that the kingdom of God, as the apostles understand it after 40 days of intense teaching by Messiah himself, the kingdom of God that was promised to Israel, and extends to the nations, is yet to come.

SID: Sandy, give me your understanding of a New Covenant scripture in reference to God’s position on the Jew in Israel at the times of judgment. And hey, if it’s not now, when?

SANDY:  In Matthew chapter 25 the disciples have asked Jesus what will be the sign of His coming. And they’re asking Him about the Last Days. Jesus goes on to describe those signs, and then in that context He talks about how when He returns, when Yeshua returns, that He will judge the nations based on how they have treated His “brothers.” Now in the Greek, how we have treated these brothers of His, the word “brothers” refers literally to flesh and blood. Comes from the word “womb.” In context Jesus is talking about how the church, and how the nations, how the church of the nations has treated the Jewish people in the End Times. And He says “when you fed the hungry, when you clothed the naked, when you visit, visited those that were in prison you did it unto Me.” How we treat the Jewish people, Jesus” kinsman according to the flesh, reflects how we will treat, how we treat him, reflects how we will treat Him, and is the basis, a prime basis, for how He will judge the peoples when He returns.

PERRY:  Now wait a minute. “Taurus the Bull.” The 7 churches of Asia if you ever want to know where they’re located, it’s real simple they were located in Turkey, which was that time called Asia Minor— Everybody ready? At the base of the “Taurus Mountains!”

AUDIENCE:  Wow! Ho, Ho! Wow!

PERRY:  Yeah, “WOW!” There it is. That’s a good— that’s where the “WOW” goes right there! You did it right! So in other words we don’t understand that today “cause we don’t ever study any of that. Back in that day the Greeks and the Romans they knew every star and, and, and they got into corruption, don’t get me wrong, the corruption and the idol gods and the false gods, and Hercules and all. They get into all that. That’s wrong. But here’s the point. Jesus used an imagery, okay, in the, in the neck of “Taurus the Bull” are seven stars and seven sisters. I have in my hand seven stars with seven churches that are located at the base of the Taurus Mountains in Turkey. Okay?

AUDIENCE:  Wow! Yeah!   (CLAPPING)

PERRY: Okay. So, can I give you another one? The Bible says in the Book of Revelation Satan is the dragon. And it gives you an interesting revelation. It says “the tail of the dragon drew a third of the stars and cast them to the earth.” Now let me ask you something. Why did, why does our Bible call it a dragon when the Greek word “dreikoun” is actually serpent? Actually, technically, you know, you know what it, how it actually reads? I saw in the heaven a seven-headed serpent. Because when you use the word “dragon,” dragon— now you got to remember back in the time when the King James Bible was written there was all this mythology, and it was mythology, about dragon slayers. Dragons. So they, they identify Satan as a dragon but the Greek word is a seven-headed snake. You all with me? Now in the Garden [of Eden] you have a snake crawling around a tree, but in Revelation he’s been eaten something he got so big he’s fills up the heavens. C’mon somebody! Serpent. All right. Now here’s what’s interesting. This may be one of the reasons why, too, that word is “dragon.” Because in the constellations of heaven right in the dead center is a constellation that always has its eyes on “Virgo, the Virgin” and that constellation is called “Draco, the Dragon” with its mouth open as if to devour the woman. Now go back to Revelation 12: “I saw a woman in the heavens giving birth and a great red dragon ready to devour the woman as soon as the child was born.” So in other words to us, we’re saying “John, why didn’t you just say: And I saw Israel in the last days and Israel was going to have to go to the wilderness because the devil was after her.” Wouldn’t that have been the easiest way of saying it?  But understand this. God wanted the Greek and Roman culture to take that Book and read it! Because remember it wasn’t just Jews it was Gentiles that had come in and these Gentiles had come out of mythology. C’mon, you’ll get this in a minute. They’d come out of Greek mythology. They’d come out of Roman tradition. They’d come out of paganism. And God says I’m going to use symbols that those Gentile brains are familiar with. And I’m going to get them to read this book and then they’re going to, they’re going to dig out through my word what I’m telling them. Are you all going to get this in a minute. Isn’t that amazing, though?

AUDIENCE: Yeah! Yes!