Sid:   I have a new friend on the telephone Patti Perior and I’m speaking to her at her home in Porter Ranch, California.  And Patti moves in prophetic gifting walking in the miraculous very sensitive to the Spirit of God. And one of the things that intrigues me Patti is that before you were baptized in the Holy Spirit you had an almost insatiable hunger for the word of God you used to read the Bible for 4 hours at a time and you kept asking the Lord for more. A lady crossed your path had something you didn’t have.  Tell me about her.

Patti: Well this is quite interesting first of all I want to tell you one thing when I was a teenager something happened and the doctor said that I would never be able to have children. But I believe in prayer and I did pray that God would give me a wonderful husband a comfortable home and fill it with children.  And I now have 6 children when the doctor said I could have no children.  So…

Sid: But you knew about miracles from a child when you were told by doctors that you wouldn’t live so.

Patti: Yes so I believe in the power of prayer but after I gave my life to Jesus I knew nothing about a greater help how one gets more of Jesus in your life.  I went to a neighborhood Bible study for women and there was a woman there that we would go around the room with prayer requests and then go around the room with if anyone had an answer.  Well this woman had such a fantastic week after week of things that God did after so quickly.  I thought “Whatever it is she has I want I want to get closer to Jesus, I want to know Him even in a greater depth, I want to have greater answers to prayer.”                        Because with a house full of children one gets sick and the other one gets sick and you go all through the line and then mommy is worn out and then she gets sick. So I thought this woman had a boy a son and she would take him to Bible class and he would play in the back room. Well I said to her not knowing her too well “I live just a half a block away and I have a lady that lives in that watches the children when I’m away why don’t you take your little boy to my house?” And I thought “I’ll find out what makes her tick how she gets into this speaking to fevers and they leave.”  I had never heard of speaking to a fever and having it leave or something like that.  I thought “I want a greater power gift of Jesus.” So she told me about the Holy Spirit and I thought “She didn’t understand what I want I want more of Jesus.”  And so we went round and round her talking about the Holy Spirit and me talking about Jesus. So finally she said “Could I pray with you to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit?” Well Sid I really I just wanted her to leave because I thought “She doesn’t get it.”  So I thought “Okay I will say yes to her you can pray for me.” But I had a heard a long time ago that there is something called speaking in tongues that I didn’t want a part of.” So anyway she laid her hands on me, which I had never had anyone lay their hands on me to pray before the phone rang and the doorbell rang.  And I though “Oh I’m just saved by the bell.”

Sid: (Laughing).

Patti: So I said “You answer the door and I’ll answer the phone.” And I did and she answered the door and I said “Alright Jesus if it’s getting more of You more of this thing called speaking in tongues if it has anything to do with this baptism of the Holy Spirit alright I’ll take it.”  So I sat down again and she put her hands on me and prayed and Sid it was like electric volts went through my body and in my innermost being I heard like a rushing like a mighty wind like you’re sitting on the beach and a mighty these winds come and crash.  We had become crashed by the wind it was something in the innermost being I’d never heard before. I’d never expected to have anything like this happen like this. An energy went through me I used to call myself perpetually pooped Patti because with the 6 children I was…

Sid: That would do it (Laughing).

Patti: Yes (Laughing) so anyway she left and I said “Lord what is the Holy Spirit all about I don’t understand?” The next day we have a swimming pool and I was taking the children out to the backyard swimming.  One of my little boys named Michael he always like these gushy things like frogs and he always wanted a lizard. And Michael said “Mommy in the bottom of the pool there’s a lizard.” He jumped in and got this dead lizard out he was so happy he ran in the kitchen and he showed the dead lizard to the lady who was doing the dishes and she said “Get out of here with that thing.” She chased him out and stood there with her hands on her hips being sure that he doesn’t return with that lizard.  So he ran to me and said “Mommy pray for it.” I don’t really like it that thing is really icky you know from sitting in the water dead. So the Holy Spirit said “Take it by the throat.”  So I picked it up by the throat. And the…I prayed for it and it began to breath and it came back to life. So my cleaning lady screamed….

Sid: She wasn’t too happy over that miracle.

Patti: Right and I said “God what is this?” He said “I’m showing you the Holy Spirit is my resurrection power. And this miracle of bringing a dead lizard back to life. The next day my bedroom was filled with dead animals. The neighborhood children…

Sid: Uh oh.

Patti: It had spread and they said “Jesus is working miracles.” And there was dead rabbits, dead cats (Laughing).

Sid: Were they coming back to life?

Patti: (Laughing) No they didn’t. One felt better.

Sid: (Laughing) Well tell me about because this is very intriguing for 2 weeks water was flowing from your eyes.

Patti:   Oh yes because when I would go to pray it was like the presence of Jesus was right there so real that my eyes would just run that I could not ask for one thing but just absorb His presence for 2 weeks. And the tears if you notice when you really get in the presence of God the tears flow. But He so manifested His presence to me for 2 weeks because…right after I received the baptism. And the Holy Spirit began to teach me He began to speak things to me of things I didn’t know.

Sid: For instance you were at a meeting and you had a vision of a woman with brain damage and tell me about that.

Patti: Oh yes I was speaking at a meeting they were all Charismatic Lutherans. And when I was preparing to go to the meeting God gave me a vision of a woman with brain damage. So I went to the meeting and I saw this woman sitting in the front row. And after I preached the word of God or taught the word of God I went to her and said “The Lord is showing me that you have brain damage.” And she said “Well, well yes yes I do.” And I said “The Lord said that if I lay my hands on you and pray you will receive your sight.”   So I said “Would you like me to?” And she said “Yes.” I put my hands on her and I prayed for God heal her brain damage.   And she screamed “My God I can see out of my blind eye.” Her mother was across the room sitting there and she stood up and she said “I never gave up, I never gave up praying.”  I asked her how she became blind?  She said when I was born they used instruments and damaged my brain.

Sid: Hm.

Patti: And damaged my eye I never had sight out of that eye.

Sid: Was this the first time you ever had a vision like that?

Patti: Yes, yes it was so clear I think that if the Lord would have said she’s blind pray for her sight I think I may not have had faith for that as yet.  She told me later she said “Patti if you would have said ‘I’m going to pray for your blind eye’ I would not have received it because I gave that up long ago so I never expected it.” So you see God in His wisdom went to the core the very cause of the blindness and that’s what he wants to do in so many lives.  He ah…so many times when I prayed for teeth the Lord will show me the root cause why somebody has a certain condition it usually is in the soul.

Sid: Unforgiveness or hurts as a child things like that?

Patti: Yeah abuses an rejection and things of that nature so crushes them that it causes it literally sends damaging chemicals through the body that will bring on sickness and disease.

Sid: Patti we’re out of time…

Sid: Now one of the longest standings if not the longest standing revivals in all of history is taking place right now in Argentina. And the man that God has used Carlos Annacondia, unfortunately he does not speak English so we’ve asked a very close friend of his who’s on the platform many times when he ministers and also ministers in that same type of power Rebecca Macchi.  And I’m speaking to her right now in her now in her home in Arlington, Texas and we’ve asked her to pray for the miraculous.  You see when Carlos prays supernatural things happen like most of us just read about in the Bible.  People get out of wheel chairs people with demons they start manifesting and they get set free, blind eyes open, deaf hear, the dead are raised, and Rebecca has seen many of these miracles under her ministry.  Rebecca help build our faith right now.

Rebecca: Well John the Baptist said that “He said that he sees the One that was coming after him would be the One not to just baptize with the water but with the Holy Spirit and fire.”  The fire of God is what you must have in your life because the fire of God is what makes you become a vessel of God makes you receive from God more than anything else that I know of. And many people have received the Holy Spirit, have received God in their life but they have not received that fire. The fire of God is what brings the power which is signs, wonders and miracles.

Sid: I believe that that fire of God can go right through the radio as we pray.  Actually we’re going to interrupt this broadcast because I just got a call from Carlos Annacondia.  Carlos tell me has the power been increasing in your life in recent times?

Carlos:  God bless you Sid brother Sid I am Carlos Annacondia (Spanish language)

Rebecca translating Carlos: Just quickly he very strongly believes and firmly believes that the power of God is growing greater and greater upon his life and upon the ministry.

Sid: Carlos I want you to pray right now for deliverance, for healing and most of all for the fire of God to come on everyone that’s listening. And I ask you as a point of contact put your hand on that radio and get ready to receive.

Carlos praying in Spanish

Sid: Rebecca when you go to a Carlos Annacondia meeting you told me that you literally see a black cloud heading towards him tell me what that black cloud is.

Rebecca: It’s evil spirits basically Sid that come to this it’s like a warfare you know between the dark spirits and the Spirits of God.

Sid: Now you move in what’s known as the gift of discernment you can see into the invisible world you see angels often, you see demons, so when you’ve seen all of these evil spirits just gathered in their greatest power just to stop what is going on. Because Mishpochah there have been meetings where 50,000 people have given their heart to the Lord in one day. So there’s this power encounter and then Carlos begins praying and what happens?

Rebecca: And when he begins praying this cloud this dark cloud everyone can see this okay it’s over the meeting just suddenly appears you know and when he begins praying it disappears.

Sid: So that’s not just discernment that that’s in the material realm that everyone can see this evil comes towards the tent meeting.

Rebecca: Yes.

Sid: That’s got to be overpowering. And then Mishpochah the anointing hits so hard that people that have demons the demons start acting up and they start convulsing and manifesting the appearance of these demons and then they get set free. You know this sounds more like the Bible to me than what we see in most of our squeaky clean churches here in America Rebecca.

Rebecca: Yes definitely revival from God.

Sid: Tell me how you have seen supernatural protection manifest in your life.

Rebecca: Well I was on my way for revival in Chile 2 years ago.  I arrived at the airport in Chile 2 people were there waiting on me and I thought it was the pastor who had come for me Sam Greene was his name and you know they called me out and greet me in. And so I saved their names and said I’m not that person and I thought the pastor must have asked you to come for me. They said “No the pastor did not ask us to come for you and we do not know that pastor but I am a pastor myself.” And I said “Okay well then how did you hear about me coming today?” They said “Well a week ago an angel came to visit me when I was sleeping woke me up and told me that you would be on a certain plane arriving from…at a certain time and I was supposed to go and pick you up and stay with you the whole time that you are in Chile and I’m supposed to be with you the whole time.” And I said “Well my goodness” and I said did they tell you my name and everything?” And they said “Yeah they told me your name and flight arrival time and everything.” And I said “Well anything else?” “Well the angel said “We’re supposed to stay with you the whole time that you’re here in Chile to protect you.”

Sid: Now did anyone know that you were coming at that particular time that particular flight?

Rebecca: Well I was supposed to have come on the previous flight and I did not make it and so the pastor that was supposed to come for me was not there and I was unable to call him so he did not even show up so thank God they were there.

Sid: Did you know that someone was going to greet you what did you expect here is a woman coming by herself to a strange country.

Rebecca: Yeah I was just I just thought that the pastor had figured out what time I was arriving. It turned out an angel had told him he said.

Sid: Mishpochah with the tremendous things that are going to happen on this earth in the next few years I mean judgments and just horrible things you’ve got to know God you’ve got to have intimacy with God….

Sid: And I have on the telephone a woman that has been on the platform many many times with Carlos Annacondia and has her own miracle ministry. But for those that are tuning in for the first time Carlos Annacondia is the man attributed to the one that God used to spark the greatest revival in history it’s been going on almost 17 years in Argentina.  When this man speaks literally the devil trembles, that’s where the title from the book came from… I mean he moves in such authority that a friend of mine John Fugine that’s a missionary read this book and just got back as a matter of fact just told me this today from Venezuela. And in Venezuela after reading this book he was speaking at a tent meeting and he said “Listen to Me Satan” with the same authority because you see Carlos prayed that everyone that reads this  book will move in the same authority that he moves in. And he prayed this himself in his meeting and 5 people starting shaking and manifesting demons and he saw creative miracles. So I want to talk to Rebecca because Rebecca has seen so much of the miraculous in Carlos’s ministry and in her ministry. And here in the United States as we were discussing Rebecca we’re deficient in this area but it’s about ready to change help build our faith a little bit tell me some creative miracles you’ve seen with your own eyes.

Rebecca: Well I was in Yugoslavia and I was called on by the mother of this 16 year old daughter who had had an accident and she had been hit by a car and basically her brain had been crushed. They had rushed her to the emergency room and put her on life support system and basically had told her that there was no hope and that she was basically dead and they still had her on the life support system.  So the mother was crying asking me to come because the mother herself had been healed herself of a tumor and the tumor was on her stomach and fallen off her stomach here at one of the meetings.  So she knew about the power of God and so anyway she was asking me to please come so I went to the hospital to the ICU room and when I walked in and saw the child while the 16 year old teenager and looked at her immediately I knew in the natural that there was no hope.  And basically you know when you see the situation that her brain was totally destroyed and basically she was on life support system only.  So I just did one of these nice prayers that we just sometimes say as believers “God just have mercy and let Your will be done.” and kind of one of them kind of prayers because I just didn’t feel at that point that God was going to do anything. But as I walked out of the room the ICU and walked out of the door all of the sudden I heard the voice of the Lord speak to me and said “She will rise up and she will live and not die in 3 weeks and 1 day.”  And I went “Wow okay!”  And so immediately I went outside where the mother was and she was hysterical they had given her some medication to calm her down but she was just totally hysterical.  And what basically you know kept crying and crying and so I couldn’t talk to her and so finally I just got her took her to the restroom and made her you know put some water on her face and try to make her wake up and listen to me.  And said “God has spoken to me you know God that took that tumor off of you has spoken to me and I want you to listen to me right now. “God is going to raise your daughter up in 3 weeks and 1 day and so it’s very important that you keep her on this life support system because God is going to give your daughter a miracle and she’s going to live and she’s not going to die and she’s going to walk out of this hospital.” And I said “And don’t call me just every day just thank God that’s she’s going to live and not die.”  And you know usually people call you every day every day and when is it going to happen or when is God going to do something and so I felt to tell her do not call me until the miracle happens. So I leave and I was traveling around the country and it just happened that I was back in the city on the day that she’s supposed to rise basically and be totally healed.  And so and these ladies come to see me and I remember “Oh no the girl” and so I asked them “How is that girl doing that was in the hospital?”  And they said “Oh we’ve been waiting every day the whole city knows you know this is a small city and everybody knows about this girl because she’s very active in school and everybody’s expecting her because everybody has heard what you have told her mother.”  And I said “Well is there any changes?” And they said “No no changes at all she’s still saying nothing has happened nothing has changed they basically say she’s living dead you know on these machines.” And I was like “Oh God and I actually said “God my God I know You spoke to me but boy I’m going to be a false prophet if You don’t do something.”  (Laughing) so I begin to basically talk to God about it now “God why haven’t You done something?” I began to ask Him you know and all of a sudden the Holy Spirit speaks to me and He says “The day’s not over.” And I’m like of course it’s the morning the day’s not over yet okay.” So I went and called these ladies and told them “The Holy Spirit said the day’s not over the day’s not over and God is going to show up.”  And so it was about 6 something that afternoon and we rushed to the hospital you know the mother’s calling you and she wants you to rush to the hospital. And so I was like “Oh dear and so in the natural you know I thought she died they’ve unplugged her you know she’s gone and so I decided instead of you know driving to this hospital I would just go walking and it’s about probably 10 blocks and I thought “I’ll walk.” And basically figure out what God’s going to do here because I thought “My goodness if she’s dead you know they said “That was the day they were going to take her off the machines also. So they took her off the machines nothing’s happened and so I was worried you know in the natural. So I went ahead went to the hospital went upstairs and went to the ICU and nobody was there so I just went into the ICU and there was about I’d say 25-30 people around the bed where this girl was supposed to be at and so they were all around it. And soon as I tapped one of them on the shoulder everybody began to hug and kiss me. And in Argentina you know you hug and kiss and so everybody was hugging and kissing me and then when they say hello there they were with hug and kisses. And so over and over hugging and hugging me and I so finally after everybody hugged me I said “Well where is the…” And I noticed the bed was and I said “What happened to the girl where is she?”  But that’s the girl right over there and you just finished hugging and kissing her.  She was standing up totally in her right mind and totally healed.

Sid: It’s worth it all when you finally see something like that isn’t it Rebecca?

Rebecca: I hugged and kissed her and not only noticed (Laughing).

Sid: But you felt like now tell the truth now you felt as if you might have missed God?

Rebecca: Oh yeah but I knew I hadn’t so I couldn’t figure it out “Why God why, why, why what’s going on now you know?”  And He just told me today’s not over yet but it’s awesome when you hear God and know that you’ve heard from God.

Sid: And you know what the day is not over for miracles.

Rebecca: Amen.

Sid: And I want to believe God for miracles the same miracles that you’re seeing in other countries but I’d like to know what God is showing you about Israel.

Rebecca: Well I believe that Israel is coming in for the greatest revival we’ve ever seen on planet earth.  I mean I know Argentina has had this revival going on for so many years but it’s nothing compared to what the revival Israel is going to have.  And I believe that it’s going to be awesome and I believe from now and for 10 more years basically we’re going to see a mighty move of God among the Jews.

Sid: Now what how much help will the Jewish people be to Gentile Christians?

Rebecca: I believe that they are going to be the evangelists of this great revival I definitely do and I believe that they are going to be the ones that are it’s going to be turned around as far as history is concerned I do believe that they are going to be the ones that help the move of God in the last days and they are going to be the ones that help the Christians in the last days against the evil forces that are coming upon the earth.

Sid: Whereas most of us think it’s the Christians that are going to help the Jewish people. But you know what I believe yes the Christians are going to help the Jewish people come to know the Messiah and the Jewish people are going to be fiery evangelists like Paul the Apostle. And I believe that the signs and wonders that will be coming so that we can reach Jewish people with the gospel.

Rebecca: Well most Jews believe very strongly in mysticism and you know the ones that I’ve met.

Sid: And unfortunately in the occult because they haven’t seen the genuine article they settle for a cheap counterfeit.

Rebecca: Well in Argentina we have a lot of Jews that most of them are very heavy into mysticism and they believe it’s God, they’re basically blinded to this.  So I believe that why they believe this way is because of the great hunger they have for God and when they finally have their eyes open and they see these miracles, signs, and wonders come upon the earth they will immediately fall to the feet of Jesus, they will immediately receive the Messiah which is Jesus.

Sid: Let me ask you something else. I see a lot of Christians in America and I don’t totally understand it but God is showing me to go back to the Biblical festivals not as a means of salvation but not as a means of righteousness but there is just something drawing me back for this Biblical festivals.  Can you give any insight as to why?

Rebecca: Well I believe it’s because these festivals are like a calendar of God. It’s marking the seasons of the supernatural visitations of God upon the earth. I believe that there is going to be that God is going to use these to show forth basically what He’s doing in the seasons of the Spirit basically.

Sid: And you said you see a great revival among Jewish people in Israel what about Jewish people that are scattered worldwide?

Rebecca: I believe it’s going to be worldwide not just in Israel worldwide.

Sid: Mishpochah I believe that also that we will have this visitation….

Sid: If you’ve been listening this week you’re on the edge of your seat. I have on the telephone I’m speaking to her in Arlington, Texas in a hotel room Rebecca Macchi who has been on the platform many times and is close friend of Carlos Annacondia. Now Carlos Annacondia is attributed with a man that literally sparked the longest standing revival I believe in history of the world. It’s in Argentina it’s going on 17^th year when this man speaks literally there is a power encounter between darkness and light.  And people that have demonic spirits the spirits can’t keep quiet they start manifesting and they then hand carry these people out of the meeting into tents there’s a male tent and a female tent and then people pray for them and they get set free. Now Rebecca on yesterday’s broadcast we talked about some amazing signs and wonders that are going on in Argentina one in particular people without hair the hair is growing back instantly. With your own eyes in your own meetings you have prayed for people with cancer and tell me what you’ve seen.

Rebecca: Well this was happening in Rosario, Argentina there was a lady who came to the crusade and it was any way near the end of the crusade the last day that she came and she was basically had cancer. They carried her in so because she was carried in I went and we just put a…prayed for her and put a cloth over her. Now this lady had no…all her hair was gone because of radiation so we prayed and put this cloth on her and put back and continued ministering to everybody else.  And what happened when she got up she was and this lady had a cast on her arm also where the cancer had eaten into her arm.  Anyway the very next day she comes back to the meeting again and insisted on speaking with me.  So I go to see her and she comes into the office place where I was at and she said “You’ve got to see look I’ve removed my cast you know I had the doctors remove my cast today look at my arm I’m totally healed the cancer is gone the cancers gone!” And she said and look at my hair.” And she had a little hat on she took her hat off and said “Look at my hair.”  And she had hair and I said “I remember yesterday you didn’t have hair.”  And she said “Look look.”  And she had had hair that had probably grown out 3 inches I’d say of hair that had…

Sid:  Was it thick or just a few strands?

Rebecca: No no the whole head.

Sid: The whole head?

Rebecca: The whole head and it was incredible.

Sid: Now you’re use to seeing these I hate to say it this way but you see these miracle happen all the time you were raised in a home where your parents were missionaries to South America.  You literally saw dead people come back to life, you saw money come from nowhere you’re used to this.  We here in America we see someone cured of a headache and we say praise God but or we see once in a year someone stands up and says I was cured of X – Y – Z disease. How can we see…let me ask you this because you see you see visions of what’s going to happen in the future. Will we see these things in America like you’re seeing in Argentina?

Rebecca: I believe we definitely will, I believe that even now it’s…we’re beginning to see spots you know little of it falling upon America but we’re going to start hearing of it now for sure.

Sid: You know there’s such a spirit of unbelief especially for those that have been believers for a long time.  I almost believe that you can get some kid off the streets with earrings all over the place, smelly, and get them radically saved and it’s easier to them to walk in the miraculous than someone that’s been a good church for the last 50 years.

Rebecca: Well I believe that it’s just like America is like in Timothy it talks about “Having a form of godliness but denying the power there of.”  I believe that there’s a spirit in America which is an antichrist spirit that there’s a Jesus they preach but it’s not the Jesus that I know.

Sid: Well at least half of the Christians in America believe that all of the charisma the gifts were for back then and not for today so half of the believers are no advisory to the devil and the other half talk a good game but they don’t see it.  Why do they talk a good game and not see it?

Rebecca: Well I believe they have a form of godliness, it’s the form but it’s not the power of God.  And without the power of God you know the gospel is in vain and that’s why one of my favorite verses is “I believe in the power of the gospel because it’s the power of God.” If we have no power, if we have no signs and wonders, if there is not a Jesus that can change an alcoholic to non-alcoholic, there’s a person on drugs you can deliver them off the drugs. If we do not see the power of God you know for homosexuals, for just everyone that needs a touch of God in their lives. If we don’t see the power of God then you know we’re just living a form of godliness we don’t have Jesus really. Because Jesus is the Jesus that will change your life that will bring you out of the place that you’re in. That will bring you out of your problems your heartaches.  I believe the power of God is so so important when we preach Jesus.

Sid: Now you’ve had a gift from a young child to see into the invisible world, to see angels to have visions. The average Christian that I know doesn’t move in these gifts but you’ve had some visions about America what has God shown you?

Rebecca: Well I believe that there’s going to be a great move of God here in America. I believe that basically that everyone in the United States is going to have to make a decision that they’re going to believe in the power of God or not believe in the power of God.  I believe that there’s going to be a great division in the church in the whole United States.  I believe there’s going to become some laws against the power of God against those that serve God and it’s going to become tough. But if we have the power of God we can stand and overcome these things.

Sid: Before there is a big change in America has God shown you approximately how much time we have before things like these laws come into play and there’s a change in the whole governmental structure of America?

Rebecca: Well I believe that in 2 years we’re going to begin to see the change in economical structure of America and I believe that there’s going to be great prosperity hits there’s going to be a total change in the government.

Sid: Well that’s not a whole lot of time for us to get our act together as believers in this nation.

Rebecca: Well I believe that from there that figure 8 I see it now the figure 8 which is 8 years is when we’re going to have… there’s going to be a great divide division in this country that it will arise out of this 2 year thing that is coming upon us.

Sid: Now just so that we can establish how accurate your predictive words have been in the past tell me something that God is showing you beforehand that has then come to pass.

Rebecca: Would you like me to talk about the president?

Sid: Sure.

Rebecca: Well about 6 months before the president of the United States was at this point President Clinton was running for presidency I had people visiting me from America. Anyway they were talking about this and basically the church at this point was not in favor of several people of different denominations were voting for the opposite party. And I told them they would be wasting their time because Clinton was going to be president and this was 6 months before he began to run.

Sid: You realize that most of the major candidates that were planning on running against Clinton when he first ran decided not to run because at that time President Bush had the highest approval rating of any president in history.  So that was a pretty outrageous word but do you feel that when God speaks to you that it really is God?

Rebecca: Oh definitely yes yes .We can all know the difference between God speaking and our spirit speaking. And our own soul speaking soul speaking to us sometimes or the enemy speaking to us there’s a difference.

Sid: Now you told me at some of your meetings one in particular of a creative miracle.  A baby who did not have any ears describe that.

Rebecca: That was awesome.  Well we were in another meeting in a crusade and we were taking testimonies after the meetings we were taking healing testimonies so people their getting healed.  And this lady came up and crying and saying my baby today is being healed from her ears.  She said she was born without ears and God is giving her ears.  So I went “Well wonderful let’s check it out.” So anyway this lady we looked and the baby had no ears and I was saying “Well this kid this child” I said “Well what difference do you see because you know I didn’t see no ears.”  And so she said “Well it used to have black skin over its little head but now she said there’s a little hole there and look there’s something in the hole.” And I looked and “Yes there’s something there.” And I thought “Wow this is a woman of faith.” And so I turned around and said “Everybody clap and praise God because this woman is receiving a creative miracle for her baby who didn’t have ears that was born 2 days ago.” And so everybody began to clap and all of a sudden I hear this noise and I turn around and “whop” this lady had fell on the floor and luckily this usher had grabbed the baby in time.  And so went over there and see if every things okay and she said “Look look” and so I looked. And so she said “Look at look at.” And so the baby had these little holes in her ears and had what appeared to be a little rosebud inside of her a little miniature rosebud inside of her ear. And she said “Look that thing is moving inside of her ears.” And so we just stood there looking and I don’t know how long it took but as we were just watching this it was like a slow motion camera that’s the only way I can describe it it’s slow motion this rosebud begin to open up.  And it slowly opened up often it would pop and out popped a normal ear on both sides of the little baby’s head.

Sid: You both saw this with your very eyes as this was actually happening.

Rebecca: Yes so I lost it (Laughing).

Sid: You’re entitled.

Rebecca: left the platform ran around the whole auditorium that seats thousands of people while you are running you know everyone was just like “What happened to me” I guess but I mean I just had to run for joy you know but it was just I couldn’t handle it.

Sid: Speaking of running we’re running out of time.

Sid: I’ve got a man that’s red hot for the Messiah I’m speaking to him at his office in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Dave Roberson, he’s Senior Pastor of Family Prayer Center there. And I’ve had Dave as guest several times on the Messianic Vision because as a big believer he found out about the supernatural edification that comes from praying in tongues. And literally decided that was his job when the factory whistle would blow he would go to his prayer closet and he’d take his lunch break just like the factory people and then he’d go back to prayer. And he did this as a lifestyle when most people go to work and found that his spirit man started growing and growing and that he was passing many people that had started out the same time as him because of the time that he spent praying tongues. However he found there were certain ceilings in his life. There were certain problems in his flesh that just weren’t getting changed from day to day and month to month and even to year to year. And God led him into something for him which was new which revolutionized his life which is why I’m asking him to share on this is that many of you have ceilings in your life.  You’re kind of stuck at one level and you’ve never gotten beyond that and many of you are not having your prayers answered. Many of you know that you don’t have the intimacy with God that you want.  And you want all of these things but it’s just not happening and I believe what Dave was led into is going to revolutionize your life. Dave how did you find out about this supernatural way of moving into new levels with God?

Dave: Sid it’s good to be back on your program I can feel the Holy Ghost so strong all ready that it gives me it gives me a joy that I can’t even explain and a peace. And as a result of being hungry for God in the early days I was 30 years old and the hunger that comes from the new nature inside just wanting to know God. And the time we talked I talked about a vision that I had that caused me to leave my job and lock myself up and pray just like you was talking about in the introduction. I prayed and prayed and prayed and it built my spirit up and since these years have went by I found out that praying in tongues is a revelation gift it’s literally a revelation gift. The more that I pray in tongues the more of the mysteries of Christ that I understand by discerning them spiritually. But the more I prayed in tongues the more hungry I became for God and I didn’t I didn’t know anything about fasting hardly. I read some books by some of the old timers that talked about fasting and I would get excited about it but I still didn’t know how fasting worked. I didn’t know the role that it really really played in my life sometimes I stand up and talk about it and say “You know I don’t know what going without eating you know has to do with the power of God but the word of God says that it does.” And so I really didn’t know I had read some of these books and things but the more that I continued to pray the hungrier I got.  And so I decided to attempt some of the fasting that these men were talking about because I was just so hungry for God. I didn’t understand at that time how that it literally dealt with my flesh. So I thought fasting, you know I thought the role that it played was God was pleased with my personal sacrifice. Like the more that I would fast the more He was pleased with me loving Him enough to sacrifice and to go without eating.  And so I would literally in those early days I would literally fast on feast days you know like Thanksgiving.

Sid: That was quite a sacrifice.

Dave: Well I thought that it was the sacrifice that pleased God.

Sid: Hmm.

Dave: Why don’t I just put it on a day that would really please Him on Thanksgiving and even Christmas sometimes. I can remember one Thanksgiving that I was going down to a little store that stayed open to pick up some seasoning for my wife. And after a couple of days fasting where I could smell everybody’s turkey cooking I mean walking down the street. I was so hungry I could just…I could just smell everything my senses was heighten. And so I decided to fleece God which is you know you put out something for God to do or something to happen so you’ll know whether or not to do something. So I went into this little store that stayed open on the holiday and I fleeced God I made it as hard as I could because I really wanted to go home and eat some turkey you know.

Sid: I can understand (Laughing).

Dave: I was so hungry but I fleeced and made it so hard I said “Father God if you want me to continue this fast and again I say continue this fast I want you to have the lady that runs this store that owns it to give me something to eat and I’ll take it as a sign that You want me to go on fasting but if the lady in the store does not give me anything to eat then I’m going to go home and break this.” And I thought I was really safe because she had never in the years that I lived in Oregon she had never given me anything going down to the store.

Sid: Well I would call that a legitimate fleece (Laughing).

Dave: I think I was really really safe (Laughing). So I went in there and I picked up the items for the seasoning and I laid them on the counter and I’m thinking I’m going to make it I’m going to make it. I laid them on the counter and then she tallied them calculated them up. And so hey I picked the bag up just as quick I could and headed towards the door and I almost got out of the door and she said “Excuse me” she said “But I just cooked these rolls and I brought them out here and I’d just like you to have one of these rolls” (Laughing).

Sid: (Laughing).

Dave: (Laughing) and I stopped and I slowly turned around in unbelief (Laughing) I could not believe that she had done that. And so slowly I turned and slowly I looked back and I can tell you Sid it was really hard for me to feel appreciative you know but I thanked her. And I knew that I had to continue on with the fast but later on my question to God became “If it’s not the sacrifice, if it’s not the sacrifice that’s pleasing You Father God, then what is fasting I mean what role does fasting really play?” I literally believed that my fasting moved God.

Sid: I have to tell you something in the early years I would fast and I would then just say to myself “Well God has done something I can’t see it but I’m sure God I expected in the early years to have a visitation by an angel, a visitation by Jesus, I mean all of these spectacular things but although I never spoke about it I was disappointed because I thought when you fast the supernatural of God shows up.

Dave: That’s what…see some of the old books and things and it’s not that He didn’t at times but that’s what I was looking for too at times in man of God’s lives.  See I thought my fasting was moving God but as I continued to pray in the Holy Ghost revelation gift you know and things began to unfold I found that He’s not the one that was stuck.

Sid: Hmm.

Dave: You know like in Isaiah 58 he said they fasted that their voice be heard on high. But fasting does not cause God to hear your voice on high but it does move you into a place to hear His voice on low.

Sid: Hmm.

Dave: Because He’s already finished the work and He was not the one stuck so my fasting did not move Him it moved the one that had the problem which was me. And fasting if a person classifies it as works or anything but nothing replaces the grace that you and I was saved by not by works that any man should boast. So my fasting couldn’t move God into doing something that He had already done in redemption.  But what it did do is it moved my flesh into a position that’s been provided for it which is debt. When I was born again it actually enforced the victory over my flesh and it put my flesh in the position that Jesus said in Romans 8 and 10 “That if Christ be in you My Spirit is life.”  It didn’t say alive the people that are in hell are alive. He said “My Spirit is life” it’s entered into the Zoe, God kind that’s seated in heavenly places with Him alive. But the same verse that declared my spirit alive declared my body dead because of sin mean. What I inherited from first man Adam my body was still capable of sinning. But the same way that praying in tongues and worship and speaking His word enforces the grace and the position my spirit’s been declared which is alive. Fasting enforces the positional truth that our flesh has been declared which is dead. And if the flesh is ceiling the life that’s in your spirit or your walk with God if it’s put a ceiling over your life it can’t seem to break through. Fasting doesn’t move God but it does begin to move your flesh into that position that’s been provided for it until you get your glorified body.

Sid: You know I was speaking to a friend of mine who said he went for Christian psychology and it was helpful but he just couldn’t get the victory in certain areas and did I have a suggestion?

SID: There are, let’s call them symptoms of spiritual attacks. Tell us a few that we might not even think of. You mentioned one to me that I never even thought about it: loneliness.

RYAN: Loneliness. The enemy plays a real trick on people’s minds in their loneliness, delayed promises. You know, there is a kairos time for every prophetic promise and Galatians talks about. “We will reap if we faint not.” Well the enemy tries to weary us, that we give up on the promise. You were talking earlier about a prophetic promise in your own life. Sometimes there’s a passing of time. Confusion about purpose is another attack. People get confused about what am I supposed to do? Do you know a spiritual attack can actually create physical fatigue and exhaustion. Elijah was under the juniper tree and couldn’t wake up. He was under an attack of heaviness. So there’s many, many symptoms and if you can identify the symptoms you can recognize the attack. That’s a key.

SID: You told me you were at a major ministry and you were explaining these principles and then, and this is a large ministry. These are really quality people. And they came up to you, members of this ministry, and what did they say?

RYAN: They said, “When I hear you describe these symptoms I have the majority or several of them said, “I have every single symptom and I had no idea I was under an attack. Will you pray and break it.” And we started praying and breaking it, and that breaker anointing, that Micah 2:13 breaker anointing came into that room and God started setting those people free.

SID: Is it difficult? Was it difficult for, I mean, you did so much junk before you were a believer, as I did, too, as many of you did. Was it difficult for you to get free once you were desperate and you wanted to be?

RYAN: No, it wasn’t, Sid. And here’s the thing. The Bible says where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. And you know as you’re talking I just feel right now the power of the Holy Ghost coming to set people free. It’s not hard for you to get set free. I see people with attacks of confusion. I see somebody with the spirit of fear that you’re fearful to leave your house. I believe ever here in the studio audience people are under attack. Someone has a frozen shoulder. There’s a spirit of infirmity. Your shoulder can’t move. It’s being healed right now. Somebody else, your neck, you had an injury and they fused something together. The Lord is miraculous healing your neck. I want to pray for you. I want to ask the audience at home and here to lift your voice right now and begin to cry out to the Lord. Come on, lift your voices and begin to cry out to the Lord right now. Father, I thank you for that Micah 2:13 breaker anointing. I break the spirit of fear. I command the spirit of fear to loose people. I command the spirit of pain and infirmity to loose people. I command deafness to loose people. Somebody that their left side has not been restored after a stroke, I release the healing power of the Lord Jesus Christ on your left side. I say receive a miracle right now. I break confusion, prophets that are confused. I break that spirit of confusion. I say you will and you shall prophesy with clarity. I release that breaker anointing now. In the name of Jesus, be free right now. In Jesus’ name, shout to the Lord with a voice triumph. Hallelujah!

SID: You know, some of you may be thinking, well if I could just get a hold of those two guys and they would set me free, if the King of the Universe lives inside of you, Jesus the Messiah, if you have repented of your sins and been born from above, you are qualified to cast out demons, pray for the sick, speak in new tongues. Give me a break. There’s millions of people that are going to need your help shortly and God has chosen you. Now what are you going to do about it?

SID: You know, you made a brilliant profound statement. You said if you can recognize a spiritual attack you can conquer it, as if to say, many people don’t even recognize it.

RYAN: Absolutely. This is one of the critical things that I preach on this and teach on this. It’s in the book. But it’s half the battle, Sid, because here’s what people find and they tell me. They say, I’m just going through this thing and I don’t know how I got here. I’m having a blue Monday. I’m having a bad day. But do you know, a spiritual attack is multi-prong. The devil doesn’t just come after your mind. He comes after your mind, after your marriage, after your finances and the ultimate goal is to separate you from destiny. One of the strongest, greatest revelations we can have is what we were put on Planet Earth to do and the anointing, the power of the Holy Spirit is attached to our destiny. So if the enemy gets us separated from destiny, he gets us separated from the power, and if we’re separated from the power we’re empty. So we recognize an attack and that step one to breaking it, it’s not random. It’s coordinated and it’s got an intention to shipwreck your faith, to get you so discouraged you don’t believe in God anymore, to get you so discouraged you forgot about the prophetic words. You forgot about the promises and many people even watching this today, this is what they’re going through. They’re under a cloud of heaviness. They’re under depression. They’ve got fear of leaving their own home. They’re under financial attack. But if they look deeper, they’re also giving up on the call of God. They’re giving up on the plan of God. The devil is not just after your money. He’s not just after your car. He’s not just after your child. He’s after your destiny and your assignment as a child of God.

SID: Well if that man had not gone to the jail and led him to the Lord, what you’re about ready to hear could not have happened. He’s in Belize, Central America, and he’s ready to speak, and he hears the voice of God. What did God tell you?

RYAN: Well the first great miracle I ever saw was in America and it was a blind lady being healed. So I’m in Belize, I’m getting ready to minister, and the Lord says, “Don’t preach. Tell a story.” Now you know, Jesus can do more with a story than all of our revelation, and revelation accesses faith, and faith moves the substance of Heaven into Earth. So faith moves healing into Earth. Faith moves victory into Earth. Faith moves the angelic realm into Earth. But revelation is the stairway into faith. What is revelation? It’s understanding what God is saying. So God says to me, “Don’t preach. Tell a story. Tell the story of the first miracle you ever saw.” So I’m telling the story about this blind lady, and in the middle of it, Sid, out of spirit it hits my mouth before my brain can understand it. I say, “And tonight, God is going to heal the blind.” So that night there is a young lady, she’s blind, she’s never seen in her entire life. She got some type of fever type of thing as an infant. It destroyed her eyes. She’s got an empty eye socket and a white eyeball. She comes to the front to receiver her miracle and the voice of God says plainly to me, “She’s going to see.” So I’m praying, but I don’t close my eyes, Sid, because I want to see God paint a pupil and put in a new eyeball. So I’m watching and nothing that I can see happens. But remember what the Lord said. The Lord said she’s going to see, but she’s still got while eyeball with no pupil and an empty eye socket. So honestly, I’m not sure if she’s seeing or not. And so I say to her, “I want you to follow me.” And we look at her to figure out what is she seeing out of? Do you know what? She saw out of the white eyeball.

Woman: I can see! I can see! Thank you, Jesus. I can see!

RYAN: Then she covers the white eyeball. How many fingers do you see? She props open an empty socket and she’s seeing out of the empty socket.

Woman: I see two. I can see! Oh my God, I can see!

SID: Wait a minute, that’s impossible. You can’t see out of an empty socket unless God is real, unless all things are possible. Guess what? God is real. All things are possible. Now in the Bible, we talk about people, we read about people that have nothing. Our whole world is falling apart. Tell me very briefly about when that happened to David.

RYAN: The enemy has one opportunity with us and it’s deception. He’s been crushed, he’s been defeated, he’s been dethroned and we have been given all power, all authority. But if he can get us to believe he has authority then we give him authority. And so he deceives us. He makes us think, well this is happened to you because you’re out of the will of God. David is in [unintelligible] in the will of God, comes home, family guy, house is burned, and suddenly, Sid, the people turn on him. See, in a spiritual attack the devil hits you on all sides and David all of a sudden says, “Bring me an ephod.” Now listen to this. He says, “I’m not going to forget who I am. Bring me that garment of identity.” A spiritual attack comes to separate you from your identity and one of the things you need to do to get free from an attack is remind yourself of who God said you are. Get those prophetic words out. You keep on preaching. You keep on prophesying. You keep on marketplace ministering. You keep on raising your children, whatever God has called you to do. In the midst of an attack you wrap yourself in that ephod and you square your shoulders up for battle and say, I am who God says I am, and that’s what David did.

SID: Okay. When we come back I want him, this will amaze you. I want him to identify some areas that perhaps you’re under spiritual attack and then I want him to tell us how we can get free. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Have you ever heard about the dream Abraham Lincoln had? Just a few days before he died he had a dream in which he was shown he was going to be murdered. Guess what he did. Nothing, and he was murdered. Well, my guest had a dream about a close family member and did something, and he did not die. And she got the revelation from a dream, and she has a passion for you not to dismiss your dreams as pizza dreams but start understanding that they’re messages from God, and she has a supernatural gift to equip you to understand the language of dreams. Anyone interested? You know, the problem I have with all of my guests, they have so many amazing things that are happening. For instance, you told me, I believe it was just yesterday, you prayed for a cheerleader. What happened?

JANE: As I was prophesying to her the Lord showed me that she had a debilitating injury in her body: “I sense the Lord wants to heal you of a debilitating injury that you once had.” And I didn’t even know that she was a cheerleader, and as I prophesied to her the Lord began to heal her heart. And as He healed her heart He began to heal her body. And found out that she was a cheerleader that had over rotated on a flip, broke her back and had been in extreme pain for about two years. “The Lord is healing your body right now. He is restoring your back. You are healed in the name of Jesus.”

Cheerleader: Wow.

JANE: And right before our eyes God completely healed her back. She had no mobility before. She could put her hands all the way to the floor, move side to side. “How do you feel?”

Cheerleader: I’ve got to go try this.

JANE: And then to my horror she ran out and started throwing back handsprings in the backyard.

SID: No. That is normal according to the Bible.

JANE: That’s right.

SID: I pray the whole world become normal. Now, you were not so normal. You had an evangelical type of background, and God doesn’t speak here today, miracles don’t happen today. But at what age did you first hear God’s audible voice?

JANE: Well, I was 16 years old. The Lord spoke to me and in an audible voice and began to reorder my entire life.

SID: Where were you headed with your life at that time?

JANE: I had college plans, career plans. I had a scholarship in place, a roommate in place, everything planned out. And the Lord came to me and spoke to me audibly, which surprised me because nobody told me that God was still speaking, but He said to me, the plans that you’ve made for your life are not the plans I’ve made for your life.

SID: You know what, look in the camera and say that out loud and prophesy to someone.

JANE: Somebody else needs to hear this. The plans that you’ve made for your life are not the plans that God has made for your life. Some of you feel like everything is falling apart all around about you, and it is because God is redirecting you, God is restructuring you. Somebody out there just lost your job and you feel like it was unjust, but I really feel like the Spirit of the Lord is saying, I’m reordering your steps, watch and see as I open a new door for you.

SID: What did God tell you, that He’s reordering your life, did He tell you what you’re supposed to do now with your life?

JANE: He did. He said, instead of going to that college, instead you’re going to go to Bible college. When you get there, you’re going to meet a man, you’re going to get married young. He said, you’re going to go into ministry immediately and I’m going to make the two of you a team, and I’m going to send you to the nations of the world. And as a team, sometimes he’ll preach and sometimes you’ll preach, but you’ll be doing something new in the earth. And I said, Lord, can you show me somebody that’s doing what I will be doing then? And the Lord said, there’s nobody doing now what you’ll be doing then because I’ll be doing a new thing.

SID: That’s another word for you, too. Okay. I know that you have such a passion to equip people to understand their dreams and their visions, I don’t understand. I’m the type of person, just tell me, God, what to do and I’m going to do it. I don’t need code. I don’t need, well, God, what are you saying. Now, I’ve had a few dreams in my life that were literal. Can I have a literal dream every night? What is this business with codes?

JANE: I sure wish that they would be literal every single night. But, you know, when Jesus came He actually talked to the disciples in parables, which many of the people that heard Him actually didn’t even understand Him. And they had to actually come beside and say, Would you mind explaining to us what this parable meant or what that parable meant. You know, one day I had some dreams that really startled me and that really kind of changed the whole way that I looked at dreams because I didn’t come from a church background, I didn’t know that God was speaking until He spoke to me, and then I didn’t know that dreams were for today until I actually had some dreams that were quite obviously from the Lord for my life right then.

SID: And you know what? I understand that you were having dreams and they were with coming to pass quickly.

JANE: That’s right,

SID: So you kind of put the two together.

JANE: That’s right

.SID: So you’re especially gifted. What about me? What about you? Is it for everyone?

JANE: It is. You know, Acts chapter 2, after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the quote from the book of Joel was brought forth by Peter, and he said this. He said, in the last days, which I think you’ll agree we’re in the last days.

SID: We’re in the last of the last days.

JANE: That’s right, the last of the last days. God said, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh, and the result is going to be your sons and your daughters are going to start prophesying. But beyond that it says young men are going to see visions, old men are going to dream dreams. Okay. So prophecy, dreams and visions are ways that God speaks, and then God says, I’m going to pour it out on all flesh. Many, many years I read and I thought that said Christian flesh, but it doesn’t even say Christian flesh. It says all flesh.

SID: So if it says all flesh, does that explain why I’m hearing so many reports of Muslims in the middle east?

JANE: Yes.

SID: They’re having dreams. Tell me what you’re hearing.

JANE: The phenomenon is happening throughout the Muslim world, throughout the Buddhist world, even here in the secular world that God is visiting people in dreams. I just heard a story a couple of weeks ago about a Muslim man that actually was in the U.K. that had a dream, and the Lord said.

Man: You must go to the street corner where you will find a man carrying two sticks in the shape of a cross.

JANE: He went and talked to the man, and the two sticks in the shape of the cross was the cross.

Man: I receive Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. I confess all of my sins today, and I change my ways from hereon, in Jesus name.

JANE: And the man led him to Christ.

SID: You know, you have an understanding of Proverbs 29:18 that will really show you why dreams are so important.

JANE: Proverbs 29 says that where there is no vision people perish. Where there is no vision. When you look that word vision up, it literally has other translations. Where there is no prophecy, where there is no revelation people dwell carelessly, people wander aimlessly, people cast off restraint. And I think if ever we were living in a day that looks like that, that’s today. And I believe that God wants to not just raise up the Christian community to begin to hear the voice of God for ourselves so that we know what God is saying to us, but I believe that God wants to raise up Daniels and Josephs so that when God begins to pour His spirit out and begin to give vision to an unbeliever or to someone that doesn’t know Christ in another religion, that then that person that’s a Daniel or Joseph can say, You know what, I believe God is talking to you, let me tell you what I believe He’s saying. It’s happened to me. I’ve led people to the Lord by interpreting their dreams.

SID: In that verse, the word vision means again? The word vision means in the Hebrew?

JANE: It means prophecy or prophetic revelation.

SID: And without a prophecy, a dream, a prophetic revelation

JANE: That’s right.

SID: My people perish.

JANE: That’s right.

SID: That’s pretty heavy.

JANE: That’s right.

SID: Okay. When we come back there’s a dimension you don’t even, you don’t even know. In your dreams, all of the gifts of the Spirit operate. You can literally even get physically healed in your dreams. Be right back

SID: So what happens when you go all over the world, you see the greatest creative miracles. I mean, 24 out of 25 blind people get their sight back and the 25th didn’t because she didn’t want it. Literally, she thought it was better for her testimony to be blind. I don’t get that, David. But you get sick.

DAVID: Yes.

SID: That’s where the rubber hits the road.

DAVID: Oh yes.

SID: Tell me about it.

DAVID: Years of doing healing services and seeing these miracles I started getting a pain in my lower back that just, I couldn’t sit down. I couldn’t drive. I was taking 18-hour flights and I was miserable for like six months, just hard to do any kind of travel. And I started reading Mark 11. It talked about the fig tree and the power in your words, and talked about whosoever and whatsoever, whatever you believe that God will do it. And I started studying on that and I got healed. But the very, almost literally the next day, if not the next week for sure, my knee went out. I don’t know what happened. I was lifting, helped my brother move some furniture and it just went out. Well that little problem with just a twinge or hurt on my knee turned into a big problem where I couldn’t even walk.

SID: So you’re walking and limping.

DAVID: Limping.

SID: And I’m going to get a hold of you guys.

DAVID: And it’s funny. When I started preaching I was fine, moving around and everything. But then after the service, I’m all limping, going back to my room. I look like I need assistance and I was seeing knees healed and healed, and healed. I could hear the cracking in the knees. I could see knees popping back. I prayed for one lady and she hadn’t picked up her grand kids for seven years, and I prayed and automatically she just popped up, I’m healed, and she was able to pick up your grandchildren.

SID: So what do you think when people’s knees are being healed and you’re aching for all your worth?

DAVID: I’m thinking, what did I do wrong, Lord? Where did I go wrong? And then I went ahead and just kept studying, and kept going. Out of the whole I thing, I got to say one thing. I didn’t stop doing the will of God. I didn’t stop believing. I didn’t stop trusting because I’m praying in confidence that the scriptures are real, that the scriptures are true and people are getting healed. Regardless of how I feel or how I look, it’s still God’s Word reigns true. And I kept doing that and believing in that, and then it wasn’t until I got to Kenya, this was like six months with this knee problem already, and I’m preaching, and I’m preaching a message that I’ve been preaching in the churches, whosoever and whatsoever. I love doing that message. And I’m over there preaching and I said, Lord, that’s it. I need to figure out why I’m not being healed because it was really getting back where I couldn’t even sleep at night. I’d get two hours’ a night sleep because you just can’t position yourself in the bed. And I just looked at the scripture and I noticed something I didn’t notice before. The revelation hit me and that is we have to decree and set the terms. Jesus said to that plant, the fig tree that “You will not produce any more fruit and you will wither and die.” He decreed and set the terms and it died. And the next time when they came back it was dead. The plant was gone. All the disciples were jumping up and crazy about that one miracle. Despite seeing all the healings and miracles, and they were excited about that miracle, and it was a miracle on just words alone. It wasn’t the very first time that Jesus didn’t bring something back to life or heal something. It was a lesson for all of us to realize how powerful our words are. And when I looked at that I had seen that, I looked at my knee, I grabbed it, I just put my hand on my knee and I said, “You will be healed. In the next week by the end of this service you will no longer bother me any more. You will not come back again. This day and one night this disease will not come back again.” I said, “You are healed in Jesus’ name. You have no choice but to listen to my words.” I’m preaching, one day I got a little bit better sleep. The second day I’m preaching at night I get a better sleep. The third day, not even bothering me when I sleep, but I still when I’m walking it’s still there. By the fifth day I’m preaching, I hear a beautiful snap just in my leg. That’s the same snaps I was hearing in Louisiana. I was like, I know what that sounds like. You know, faith has a sound. I can tell you right now faith does have a sound and it’s that sound of God just reaching in and fixing things. And I reached down and I touched my leg, and I couldn’t remember which knee was hurting. That’s how good it was.

SID: Okay. There are people now whose knees are hurting. I want you to pray for them and whatever God has for you to pray for healing right now.

DAVID: Absolutely. God told me three things today and that was this, that people are going to be healed, that the Word of God that we preach will not return until it’s void, that the power of God is anointed on these airwaves to your heart, to your legs, to your back. In fact, this morning I felt a strong urge to tell people with back pains to put their hand on their back when we pray. And we’re going believe right now that God is going to heal you. I feel that legs are being healed, knees are being healed. I command cancer to leave in Jesus’ name. And I believe right now with the fullness of God and the confidence in God’s Word, we got to have confidence when we talk about God’s word that it does reign true. And I believe right now that people will be healed. I release an anointing over backs and knees. I release an anointing over the whole body and I command all the hands to be healed, and I believe that God is talking to someone just to listen to me when I say these words. It’s simple. God is going to tell you that it’s simple. Just believe. Just believe. It’s simple. Go to Mark 11:23. Read it and read what Jesus says. If you just believe, that’s all we have to do, that’s all we need to is believe that God will heal and I believe it right now and receive that anointing and that healing that we send out in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: There’s enough faith right now coming through your television or your computer that you can make Jesus your Messiah and Lord. It’s a leap of faith. Take the leap right now. Say Jesus, forgive me of all of my sins. I ask you to live inside of me and be Lord of my life. Amen. You and your house will be saved.

SID: David, people call you the igniter of faith and now that I’ve met you I understand why. But why do people say that about you?

DAVID: It’s because I come into a place and I change the atmosphere, and I think the atmosphere from fear and doubt to faith, I think that’s what every Christian needs to do.

SID: You told me the biggest problem you spot in the United States and even throughout the world is fear. Explain.

DAVID: It is. It’s fear. I was in a large church preaching and we had a prayer line, if you could believe this, all the way through the pavilion, all the way out to the parking lot waiting to get prayed for. And they didn’t want me just to do a mass prayer. They wanted me just to lay hands. Everybody wanted people to lay hands. And as I was praying, everybody I asked what are their prayer requests, they said fear. Almost 80 percent of the people said fear. So I prayed and I learned that, I talked to the pastors and said, you got to start preaching that fear out of your church and out of your people’s lives.

SID: How do you get rid of fear? I mean, it’s easy to say that.

DAVID: Yeah, it’s easy to say it.

SID: Your problem is fear. But how do you get rid of it?

DAVID: You start believing. Whatever you believe, faith and fear can both receive. If you give fear and give into fear, start feeding fear, well whatever fear dictates for your life is going to happen because you’re feeding with your thoughts and your actions. But if feed faith and feeding faith is believing the scriptures. Feeding faith is believing what Jesus said. Anything you ask in my name I will do it.

SID: You know, it’s so simple you need to help to get confused.

DAVID: Yes.

SID: And that’s what you’re known for. You teach simply and you get the same results in the Bible.

DAVID: Absolutely. Absolutely. When we’re preaching out there I try and make sure that I keep it

where the people could just grasp it because there’s a lot of people out there that do fight with fear and fear has other friends that come with it. Fear has doubt. Fear has oppression. Fear has depression. All these things come in and they keep you from being, you have to wake up. I’m not saying you got to jump out of bed and say I’m excited for faith. That’s a good thing to do. But get up and know. The Bible says in Nahum 1:7, “God knows him that trusts in him.” You got to know that God knows you.

SID: When you know the promises of God and you get rid of fear, what’s possible?

DAVID: Anything.

SID: Tell me the truth. You go to a lot of countries and you see some horrible physical conditions. Anyone ever get before you and you say, oh God, I believe in miracles, but this is too much.

DAVID: When I am walking in that anointing, everybody tells me that, when I walk in the anointing, when I’m out there I’m a different person. I’m just walking. I’m believing God for anything. Nothing is impossible. I had a lady come up with a very crooked arm I’m drinking a Sprite after the entire service, cooling off inside the church. She comes to me and she comes after the service all walking slow and just showing me her hand. It was all crooked in different places. And I pop may hand out, and I say, “Put your hand through that.” And she starts putting her hand through it, and as her hand passes my hand you just hear pop, pop, pop, pop until, pow, at the end of where her elbow was it snapped into place. And Bishop Mike that was with me, he said there was a fireball that when I put my hand out, he just seen a fireball glowing in my hand as she put her hand through it. And she was healed instantly.

SID: Now we perceive by faith in the integrity of the Word of God, but you don’t have a clue what’s going on in the invisible world by you just being obedient. What you just said is literally God, because he found someone willing to believe his Word put a fireball in there.

DAVID: Absolutely. If you look at the Bible, you look at Jesus, you look at Paul, those are two men that operate in creativity. If you looked at Jesus you wouldn’t have gotten basins and said, hey, fill those up with water and then you got wine. It doesn’t sound like it makes sense. You don’t know why you’re doing it, but the people believed him, they went and did it, and they got wine. You look at Paul. The Bible says that God brought special miracles through the hands of Paul. He took his apron, tore it up, sent it out to people to get healed inside their own homes. He’s the original TV evangelist. He was able to take all the anointing that we take and put it into people’s living rooms. It was the same thing back then by taking his apron and sending miracles.

SID: Now this guy, he so ignites your faith that when he speaks he’s even had a whole city get healed. Tell me about that, in India.

DAVID: Oh absolutely. In India, in Badapada, I preached there. There’s 500 people in attendance. There’s about 500 people outside in villages: Hindu, Muslim and Christian. We preached there and that was the first place that I preached a hundred percent working power. And I’ve said that everybody can be healed. Jesus had it. Jesus would talk into a city and all villages would be healed, and God honored what I preached. I got home three weeks later, and I only had those 500 in there, and the people that were inside the building, but when I got back home they called me back and said a thousand people got healed because the whole village was healed. They were so ignited in their faith, like we talked earlier, they were so ignited in their faith all the preachers and Christians went out to look for people to pray for. That’s what you want to do. And when I went out there they called me back and they said, hey, there’s no one to pray for. Everybody was already healed because there were speakers around the entire city and village. The church put speakers everywhere and everybody heard the message. Everybody heard the message of God and his miracle working power.

SID: God is healing people right now.

DAVID: Absolutely.

SID: Speaking of his miracle working power, there are people who, your fingers, it hurts when you bend your fingers. That pain is just, I don’t know if God sent in a fireball to get rid of that pain. Frankly, I don’t care. But test and see the Lord is good. David, one of the keys you talk about that most believers miss is delayed miracles. They think because nothing happened when he prayed for me, nothing is going to happen. You find different.

DAVID: Oh absolutely. When people are delayed on their miracles the first thing that happens to them is it compounds it with more doubt. They go to the service, they didn’t see a physical thing happen and they go home and they start getting all sad and get in a pity party, but you know, you got to believing. The Bible says when Daniel was praying that the moment he prayed, the moment he prayed God sent the angel. The second that he put his knee down and said, “Father, I need this,” the angel came forward. But it also says in that same scripture that for 21 days the devil stopped him. That’s a delayed miracle. It eventually got to him. I want to tell everybody this that the devil can’t stop what you’re faith released. He can’t stop it. He can’t stop it. He can’t keep it away from you forever.

SID: So you’re not moved by what you see with your eyes. You’re only moved by the integrity of the Living God and his Word. Tell me about one person that had a delayed miracle.

DAVID: This is a wonderful story of a young boy in India that came running through. All these kids rush me when I’m praying. The adults just go through the line, but the kids are able to run. They have fun in church and they run by. And there was a little boy and I could see that he was walking a little different. I could see that he was a little bit off on some of the stuff. And I just laid a hand on him like this, that’s as quick as I could go, and he took off. Well do you know that two hours later I’m in Badapada. I’m preaching over there 80 kilometers from where I ministered and he’s 80 kilometers from where I prayed for him, and it’s two hours later that he’s walking up the stairs. He has crooked legs. They’re bent backwards in a way and he’s walking up the stairs. He calls his mother crying. His mother thought he fell down again and said, “What happened?” And he goes, “Well mom, I feel Jesus touching my legs.” And then when he got to the top of the stairs she dropped the phone and the mother was frantic, and she said, “What’s going on?” And he goes, “I see Jesus’ hands and he’s straightening my legs.

SID: I’m reminded of the scripture. Jesus said, “Will I find faith when I return to Earth?” I’m going to tell you something, never give up. Never give up. Now it’s easy to preach how wonderful God heals. What happens when you get hit with two physical conditions yourself like David did? What happens then? That’s the real test, where the rubber hits the road. We’re going to find out when we come back.