Sid: Hello Sid Roth with something more and Jonathan you have such a… and by the way my guest is Jonathan Bernis the head of Jewish Voice. You’ve probably seen him on television but Jonathan and I friends and we’re going to let you eaves drop on our conversation. You have had a passion for years for confessing God’s word, why?

Jonathan: Well very simply two words: It works.

Sid: I like that.

Jonathan: It does (laughing) it absolutely works and I’ll tell you very the story how I came into this. I was counseling a woman, and one of the things that I least enjoy to be, between us just the 2 of us (sound of microphone being rubbed)…

Sid: You just hit your mike again (laughing).

Jonathan: I know, I know.

Sid: (Laughing) Okay.

Jonathan: I was going to hit my forehead and I missed. Oi Vey! But one of things I least enjoyed when I was leading a congregation, pastoral minister was counseling. I was counseling a woman week after week, after week that had severe depression.

Sid: By the way, Jonathan was single for many years and women would come to him for counseling (laughing). God told them they were supposed to get married.

Jonathan: (Laughing) Yeah I’d find out later. I did this for 9 years I pastored for 9 years and there was a woman severely depressed, clinically depressed. She had been like the woman with the issue of blood to every psychologist, every psychiatrist, they had spent a great deal of money on counseling and she was… she just exuded depression. Everywhere she went it was just like a cloud over her then it his other people. I just spent hours of really wasted time trying to help here without any results whatsoever. Then I was praying her before a counseling meeting and the Lord told me just give her some scriptures of liberty, that confess liberty “Whoever the Son sets free is free indeed. Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty. Greater is He that is us than he that is in the world.” I gave here this assignment and I didn’t know what to expect I actually probably didn’t expect much of anything. Sid she came back the next week and she was a different person. The cloud was gone, she was smiling, it was the first I had ever seen her smile and she obeyed the homework assignment, she did it.

Sid: Hmm.

Jonathan: She became a doer of the word and not a hearer only and she stood in front of the mirror like I recommended she do. She began to confess these scriptures and in about 3 days the depression lifted because the word of God works and confession is a Biblical principle. If you look at the word meditate in the Hebrew it’s hagah. That should remind you of you something of the hagadah…

Sid: Right.

Jonathan: …Which means to tell the Passover story, hagadah, but that word hagah…

Sid: Excuse me the little booklet that has the format for Passover is called the Hagadah.

Jonathan: Why? Because we’re retelling the story of Passover, the exodus out of Egypt. Thanks for clarifying. The word in Hebrew hagah means to mutter, to utter, to speak, and when God told Joshua to meditate on the word and he would be successful in everything that he did and he’d be able to take the land and lead the children of Israel into the promise land, the word is hagah. So Christian meditation is to think to contemplate, but Jewish meditation is to confess. To use that little member of our body, the tongue, which we’re told has the power of life and death in it. To speak the word of God and by speaking the word of God something happens Sid that’s supernatural. I know you like that word supernatural.

Sid: I do.

Jonathan: What happens is “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The spoken tongue, the language, speaking forth words has creative force for good and bad. What happens supernaturally is when we confess the word of God we hear it, when we hear it over and over again it becomes faith it drops into our spirit. Then when we confess it from our spirit it has creative force it has life and it brings change. It’s miraculous it’s supernatural.

Sid: What I find is so amazing, if you could see in the invisible realm when you speak… (Sound of microphone being rubbed) I just did the same thing…

Jonathan: I just wanted to point it out (laughing).

Sid: Yeah I wasn’t going to let you point it out. When you speak the word of God it literally is called a sword. It literally does what a sword does it just totally… the enemy stands no chance. In fact…

Jonathan: You feel the anointing growing right now as you’re talking?  The anointing is… I’m getting excited.

Sid: Joshua 1:8 you teach about, explain.

Jonathan: That is the scripture… God is encouraging Joshua. He’s preparing Joshua to take over for Moses. Can you imagine how daunting this is? The great Moses has now departed and you have to lead somewhere around 3 million Jewish people, everyone is a president unto themselves and you have to lead them…

Sid: If you have 10 Jewish people you have 11 opinions.

Jonathan: Or more. God is encouraging Joshua, this is Joshua’s pep talk Sid. He’s saying “Joshua you’re going to make but here’s how you’re going to make it. You’re going to succeed, you’re going to accomplish this. I’ve been preparing you but here’s what you have to do to be successful. You have meditate, hagah, confess My word day and night and never let it depart (He doesn’t say from your heart, or your mind, He says ‘Never let it depart…’) from your mouth.” So if you confess the scriptures by speaking them forth they’ll get into your hearing, you’ll listen to them it’ll drop into your spirit, it’ll become faith and you will succeed in everything you do.

Sid: You know I’m having an amazing thought right now. We Jewish people we go into the synagogue and we daven, that’s called pray and we usually use a prayer book, but the prayer book is loaded with the scripture. So a religious Jew is going into the synagogue and he is meditating on the word of God every day. My father used to have the prayer book memorized and there’d be a contest to see who could say the prayers the fastest in the synagogue. What he was doing was he was speaking the supernatural words of God. He was meditating, he was actually mumbling, when you said that it’s like mumbling they do it real fast…

Jonathan: Yeah mumble or mutter.

Sid: Mutter when they read it that quickly in the scriptures and maybe, just maybe that’s one of the reasons why Jewish people are such a blessed group of people. I mean more Noble prizes for Jewish people and we’re such a tiny group of people. I believe that has something to do with that Jonathan.

Jonathan: Again our spoken words have created force, our spoken words are what we hear and “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The most powerful thing is when it gets into our heart, and don’t you notice you confess scriptures and you remember them at key times?

Sid: Yes.

Jonathan: The Lord brings them to mind at just the right time and that’s how it works. When you speak forth the word of God, when you speak healing to someone from your spirit you’re releasing the creative power of healing and I love it Sid there’s nothing more exciting.

Sid: Okay but you have incorporated Hebrew…

Jonathan: I have.

Sid: Why now? It’s interactive so you have the English, you have the Hebrew, and you have the transliteration which we’ll get to, which in a matter of seconds you can actually speak the Hebrew that you’re seeing. But why Hebrew?

Jonathan: Well there’s a couple of reasons:

First of all, Hebrew is known as the holy tongue. It’s the tongue of the prophets, it’s the language of the Old Testament and I believe it’s the language of heaven. I believe that when God created the world it was the spoken word in Hebrew. We’ll find out when we get to heaven but I believe it was Hebrew. It’s a creative… So the language itself has creative force.  We were talking in a past program about the… just the different tone, tonal qualities of Hebrew they’ve determined have creative power.

Sid: You know I can’t tell you from technical viewpoint, I just can tell you to my ear I like spoken Hebrew, I like the way it sounds.

Jonathan: I do too. There’s a reason for that our spirit likes it it’s not our mind that likes it it’s our spirit that likes it. When I hear shalom I just love it and I know that it’s speaking peace, that it’s speaking life, but here’s another let’s take this one Adonai Yireh the word yireh oaky, the Lord will provide.  So yireh, or Jireh, (singing) ‘Jehovah Jireh my provider’ so what’s the English word? It’s provide. Right?

Sid: Right.

Jonathan: But yireh when we confess yireh we not saying provide we’re saying we’re speaking forth prophetically abundance, blessing, multiplication, I’m reading all the words that yireh means. Lacking for nothing, prosper, success, fruitfulness, sustenance, rescue, protection, shelter, graciousness, enjoyment, carry us to old age, rain (when there’s famine), asking and receiving all connected to the word yireh.

Sid: You know what, that sure sounds a lot better to me than just money. That’s what money can’t buy…

Jonathan: (Laughing)

Sid: …you know that? Money can’t buy what yireh provides for us.

Jonathan: You know how we have super supplements and super vitamins and whatever else are super foods? Hebrew are super words it’s a language of super words. So we provide in English but then we go to the Hebrew and we release in yireh a super word that has 20 or 30 English words all contained in the one word we confess yireh.

Sid: But the problem is if you have ever looked at the Hebrew language unless you’re taught you can’t speak and you’ll have to be taught it for a number of years to understand it, to speak it, but there was a problem when Jewish people came to America. Tell me about that Jonathan.

Jonathan: Well the Yeshiva, the idea of Yeshiva and men being brought up as from the time that they were little children in the Hebrew language; disappeared when Jews started coming to America. In fact, the Hebrew language was basically lost it was really lost in what we call the dispersion when Jews were forced to leave Israel banished from Israel in 70 AD or actually 130 after the Bar Kokhba revolt they were scattered to the nations of the world and you would think they would assimilate. Here’s a people without homeland anymore and really without a common language. Hebrew really faded way but it continued on in the European shtetl and so on, but in America particularly Hebrew literally disappeared. So the religious leaders at the turn of the 20^th century were asking the question “How do we preserve Hebrew in our worship?” They came up with the idea of transliteration which is simply taking the English language and phonetically spelling out the Hebrew, and we both grew up with this to some extent. We both went to Hebrew school but we also have in most prayer books now outside of the Orthodox this thing called transliteration where we have the phonetic English that is an aid to read Hebrew, and I’ve employed that in these books.

Sid: No I see it for instance the Hebrew you’d never understand if you saw it written, but then it’s so easy. Here it is phonetically and in the book that’s what I love about this book. You see it’s a hardback…

Jonathan: It’s a workbook.

Sid: Beautiful…

Jonathan: It’s a workbook.

Sid: … and the CD is interactive. He has an Israeli reading the Hebrew but then you can read right along with that Israeli because it’s written out phonetically. It’s so easy… just that word “The Lord will provide.” All of those meanings you’re losing, you’re capturing it when you’re saying Hebrew. You know what Zephaniah says? That a pure language will be restored and many people believe that Biblical Hebrew is a pure language…

Jonathan: I’m positive that that’s the fulfillment of that scripture. I have no doubt.

Sid: I believe that too.

Jonathan: I’m sure of it.

Sid: Okay. Why… so they developed this system it’s so simple that anyone without understanding how to read the Hebraic letters sounds like an Israeli scholar, but you’ll really sound like Israeli because on the interactive CD that comes with this beautiful book you get the Hebrew from an Israeli not just Jonathan or myself that speak bar-mitzvah Hebrew.

Jonathan: And you can read with it and follow it right along. There’s a… Here’s how long it takes to learn Hebrew with these books 5 minutes, 5 minutes.

Sid: I said seconds…

Jonathan: No.

Sid: Okay I’m an evangelist you’re a teacher (laughing).

Jonathan: No you’re exaggerating is a full 5 minute process.

Sid: Okay.

Jonathan: To start I’ve got to be honest. I’ve got to be honest with you.

Sid: Can you do the 5 minutes… by the way it’s so supernatural the way Hebrew was lost when the Jews were dispersed to the 4 corners of the earth. How was Hebrew restored for Israel because see here’s the problem, Jews were coming back from the 4 corners of the earth to Israel as God promised, but they… some spoke French, some spoke Italian, some spoke what’s the Ethiopian language?

Jonathan: Amharic

Sid: Amharic

Jonathan: Yiddish there was 2…

Sid: So it was like the Tower of Babel we’ve got to have one language…

Jonathan: That’s right.

Sid: … So how did we get one language back?

Jonathan: Well Hebrew is  a precursor to the restoration of Israel as a state in 1948. It began with pioneers as you said in the 19^th century that began to go back to the land and God spoke to a man named Eliezer Ben Yehuda. We have Ben Yehuda Street…

Sid: Street.

Jonathan: So he’s a very prominent figure in Israel. He’s known as the father of Modern Hebrew. He, I believe, was called supernaturally by God to return to the land of Israel. He was a linguist who began to recreate to take the ancient language that had been preserved but lost at the same time and began to put together a multivolume dictionary; and all of these modern words that didn’t have a Hebrew word he created Hebrew words and he restored, he was used by God, to restore Hebrew as a modern spoken language.

Sid: How… you know he had all sorts of persecution when he did this…

Jonathan: Terrible.

Sid: How… he… it had to be God…

Jonathan: It had to be.

Sid: … because without the modern day Hebrew Israel would be a nation like the Tower of Babel.

Jonathan: Sid just to see the way God orchestrated everything. Zionism with Theodore Herzl who was a proclaimed atheist saw a trial in France called the Dreyfus Trial and said “We are never going to be safe anywhere we need our homeland,” started the modern movement of Zionism. You have Eliezer Ben Yehuda being used by God to recreate the language of Hebrew reestablished…

Sid: It’s all dovetailing.

Jonathan: All dovetails and comes together at a specific time in history a divine intersection, a kairos moment.

Sid: Sid Roth with something more I’m here with Israel Pachtar in Israel what you and I witnessed with our eyes. I mean I’m in this auditorium in Jerusalem Israel came there to view the event and it’s an auditorium that we had more people than seats standing room only jam packed.  But it’s in Jerusalem it’s not Believers it wouldn’t be that difficult to fill the auditorium with Believers. But to fill the auditorium in Jerusalem Israel with unsaved Jewish people standing room only. And then when I started speaking I had words of knowledge and I have to tell you Israel everything in faith takes courage you know this.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: Just what I heard about you in the last segment if that’s not courage I don’t know what is it takes the Hebrew word chutzpah nerve. But every time that I do this I know that if God doesn’t show up with signs and wonders I’ve wasted the whole trip literally. And I can’t between you and me I can’t heal anyone only God can heal people. I’m 100% depending on God. You know what I found out God likes it when we’re 100% dependent on Him. And then at the end I have to tell you I was believing God and it was hard to say this but I was believing God for 100% to be saved. Well there are what are called anti-missionaries at this meeting people that came and they actually took pictures of the people to intimidate them like they intimidated Israel at his home. And so but I have an idea one of them will be like a Saul of Tarsus and become a Paul the Apostle. So 98% I was believing for 100 but better than 98% stood up and received the Messiah. You’re an Israeli had you ever seen this type of thing  happen in Jerusalem?

Israel: No, it’s a new day for Israel it’s really a new day. I remember spending week after week month after month trying to reach out 1 and nothing happened can you believe it. It’s a new day for Israel.

Sid: And guess what he’s an ordained evangelist, he is a gifted evangelist and he said how tough it was. But when he says it’s a new day for Israel it’s a new day for the world.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: Humanitarian efforts, bless Israel parties bless you and continue doing the Israel needs humanitarian aid desperately. Israel needs to be blessed by Christians world wide and that’s what our purpose is.  But it’s a new day, it’s a new time God says “It’s the set time to favor Zion; at the set time to favor Zion you can do something better for Jewish people than give us a handout of food and clothing.  You can lead us to the Messiah the Jewish Express has started it picked up almost 650 Jewish people in Jerusalem.  I’ll tell you the next city I’ll be in after I’m there but I’ve been to cities throughout the world and I’m telling you it’s a new day and Jewish people are standing in line to board the Jewish Express because they are dying to know the Messiah.  God is doing something special with Arabs but he’s also doing something special with Jewish people.  And the Jewish person that God Himself has had cross your path is not an accident that Jewish doctor, that Jewish merchant, that Jewish friend, that Jewish former schoolmate you consider that it’s a new day as Israel said. But you know what else I find interesting about you Israel is you operate in extraordinary supernatural miracles tell me about that person where you told me you went the person where they were dying of lung cancer were they really dying or were they just…

Israel: No she was dying a young lady about 30 years old having beautiful single mother having beautiful blond girl she was dying and doctor said she will live 24 or 48 hours the most she said the cancer was developed and it was too late and they can’t do nothing, no chemo, not an operation nothing. And some social workers came to discuss what to do with the girls because she’s beautiful and Israel is waiting to have kids and it was a mess.  So I came there with one witness I came to her and she couldn’t talk all of the systems and she couldn’t talk. But she was incontinence and she heard me. So I asked her a question and she give me a sign with her eyes that I’m hearing you just a little nod in the eyes. And I prayed a simple prayer and I can tell you in that moment I didn’t feel anything. You know sometimes you pray and you just know Holy Spirit is working and it’s power and this time nothing the very heavy atmosphere of death a spirit of death. So I prayed just a simple prayer about her I said to her a couple of words of encouragement and then I left. About 3 or 4 hours later she was constantly healed right away, so she just stand up and took everything out and doctors came and thought she’s dying.

Sid: She took it out by herself.

Israel: She took it out by herself.

Sid: The tube.

Israel: And she was shouting “I’m hungry, I’m starving I want to eat.” She was totally healed and she still lived till today and the teenage girl and it’s unbelievable. Now we see you know in Israel God is rising the Body of Messiah in Israel and people coming to the Lord but at the same time we see an increase of miracles and healings.  It’s not unusual numbers.

Sid: Give me I want you to paint me a picture and I believe that I’m not off when I say 1 year from today paint me a picture of what will be happening in Israel 1 year from today, what is God going to be doing?

Israel: You want me to be focused on the war situation or God’s Kingdom?

Sid:  Look war come and go I want to know about the glory of God.

Israel: Amen the kingdom is growing the openness is growing; now it’s a slow process but it’s really speeding up and increasing; I’ve never seen such numbers of open people like we see today. Now it doesn’t say like everybody you approach in Israel will gladly what you’re telling them there is still a process there are still problems but the open population is growing amazingly. Many Israelis are ready to receive the Lord and Yeshua. I mean of course they really want to understand that this is right and it is Israeli Jewish Messiah when they see it they go for it. Now more and more miracles they are really believing like you said a year from now I believe that the miracles of God will change everything.

Sid: I see a major glory cloud coming to your congregation and other congregations around Israel. I see people walking into your congregation and walking out physically healed not because you even prayed.

Israel: Amen.

Sid: But just by being in the tangible presence of the Living God.  I see Israel a nation of true Jews. Now help me out because I’m an American Jew, I read Hebrew beautifully but I don’t understand too many words of what I read. I have been told that the term Jew comes from a Hebrew word Yehuda which means a worshipper of God.

Israel: Right.

Sid: And in order to be a true Jew according to Jeremiah chapter 31:31 you have to be under the New Covenant. And to be circumcised not just on the outside but circumcision of your heart. So a true Jew is one that was born Jewish or converted to Judaism but then according to the Prophet Jeremiah had a circumcision of the heart.

Israel: Yes, there is many prophecies Sid that’s saying when God will bring people back to the land to restore them to land as a nation as a land then many prophecies Isaiah, Jeremiah they’re saying “And then I will pour My Spirit on you and your will know me.” So I see and Roman’s 11 also addresses the salvation of Jewish nation I see we’re really approaching and this is the beginning of great revival because now Holy Spirit is pouring out more and more it’s a wonderful process but believing in such a historical days. You know from the days of the Bible from the beginning we never have seen such a big number of Jewish people who believe in Yeshua or believe in Jesus.

Sid: Of course it’s a history and now it’s happening right now. It’s the time clock for the return of Jesus.  And that’s fact and speaking of time clock…

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is red hot for Messiah his name is Keith Davis I’m speaking to him at his home in Orange Beach, Alabama. Perhaps you’ve read a number of his prophetic articles in various Christian publications. Keith I understand in May of 2001 your wife had a prophetic, was it a dream?

Keith: Well actually it was in prophetic experience and heard on audible voice so it was not really a dream more like a vision of the night. And she heard an audible voice say to her “We must go back to 1941.”  And the significance of that was we were preparing for an intercessors gathering in Jacksonville, Florida for the specific purpose of praying for the Jewish nation, the nation of Israel and America. And when the conference began we shared what she had received in the audible voice and felt like the Lord was telling us we must go back to the condition of the nation in 1941 and the bombing that took place on Peale Harbor on December 7^th and how that surprise attack on our nation galvanized the nation as a whole to support, fully support the war and to make the enemies of Israel our enemies.  Up until that point we had not really fully committed our self the nation was divided in support of the war but after that surprise attack the nation was completely galvanized in unity in support of our committing our full military forces against the armies of Germany and the full commitment of World War II.

Sid: Now how does this tie in with the tragedy of the terrorist attacks on September 11^th?

Keith: We feel like now with the surprise attack that happened on December excuse me on September the 11^th that now we have fully committed our resources now the nation is galvanized just as it was in 1941 in full commitment to the war on terrorism to fight the very terrorist machine that’s been terrorizing Israel for years. We have, as a nation, held the hands of Israel behind their back and refused to allow them the full support they needed to battle the terrorism and now the very enemies, the very spiritual forces that were opposing Israel we are now also making our enemies so in that respect it’s done the same thing this year that happened in 1941.  And from our perspective that’s the thing that we’re coming away from this incident from the 11^th most emphatically with although we recognize that there are other things that maybe coming out of it this is the single thing that has been for most for us as we join the Lord’s heart of intercession for the nation of Israel and also for our nation as well.

Sid: Has the Lord given you any insight as to the destiny of America as to whether they’ll be more of these attacks or in any of these areas?

Keith: After the attack occurred on the 11^th the Lord spoke the Lord spoke very specifically that we were to strictly go back to prior prophetic words that we have brought and re-exam those words in light of the events of the 11^th. And in doing that we first went to a word we brought in 1999 called “The Lord’s heart of Intercession.”  And in that word Bob Jones had had a vision seeing that a national calamity was at hand and that the church needed to join the Lord in His intercession because a number of things were planned but if we would pray then those events could be staggered. But he was strictly shown…

Sid: Excuse me what do you mean by staggered?

Keith: Well they would not all occur at one time.

Sid: But they would occur?

Keith: But there would be some things that could be curtailed. Frankly we think there are some things still being planned against our nation and the word that we brought even last week that “Many things hang in the balance and the direction that our nation takes and even the ability of the terrorists to continue what’s already been planned lies in the hands of the church.”

Sid: Well what would be a bad direction for our nation to take?

Keith: Well a bad direction would be if some of the influences around our political leaders and particular our president were to steer him away from full and complete support of Israel.  We believe that is emphatically important that our national government as well as the church stand in support of Israel in this particular hour because now their enemies have become our enemies. And if anything takes place that is paramount right now it is that we stand unified galvanized in our support of Israel in every respect militarily.  Now the church must stand with Israel in prayer praying for the peace of Jerusalem. I do believe we do believe that there has to be some form of retaliation if you will some form of response to the terrorists for what they have done a detriment. But it needs to be the right response there…we’re really asking those who support our ministry to pray earnestly that the Lord gives our president the wisdom to make the right choices. And even those responsible for the terrorism be exposed and dealt with harshly.

Sid: Now we’re supposed to pray for wisdom and protection and intimacy with God for the president of the United States but do you have any insights into which way to go on this issue?

Keith: Well we’ve been in contact with some people that have access to the President and from what we’re understanding there are 2 schools of thoughts that are being presented to him. One is the one that we would certainly support. There is another school of thought that is also being presented that we feel like it would be a great detriment. And so our prayer has been that the president will only give heed to Godly wisdom the divine counsel that’s being presented to him particularly as it relates to Israel but also as it relates to the other issues in our nation.

Sid: Paint me a picture of what might happen if we take the wrong road in reference to Israel what might happen to America.

Keith: Well in the vision of 1999 the Lord stated clearly that there were a number of things that were planned against our nation.  And the Lord said He is for us and it is not His desire for our nation to fall but He wanted to use our nation as a great vehicle in the harvest but if we do not come away from the incident with the right response I’m afraid that there may be another chastening if you will that will drive us closer to that decision specifically our economy.  Just recently the Lord released a revelation showing that it was the enemy who was trying to bring great hardship in our economy.  And that this terrorist act and all of the consequences of it are to hinder our nation from being the vehicle that it’s intended to be.  But the Lord is saying “If we will pray, if we will join in His heart of intercession He will turn that around and all of that will be restored and multiplied form.” So if we don’t make the right decision I’m afraid that we will be in for some more hardship.

Sid: If we make the wrong decision will there still be revival in America?

Keith: We believe there will be; we believe that the Lord is going to have His revival. I believe that we can have it much sooner and with much less hardship and difficulty if we will respond to the Lord the way that He is asking us to. And here again we’re strictly just analyzing the events of the 11^th in line of prior words.  Another word that came was a message in 1998 actually called “A Message of the Cross.”  And in it we saw a great memorial that had been erected in our country.  It was a symbolic indication of our trust and our faith had been put in our accomplishments of man and we saw something coming from heaven that stuck this memorial that was erected to this accomplishment of man.  But as soon as it came down an image of the cross began to be erected in fact in the vision the way that the cross was being erected was identical to the Iwo Jima memorial where the American flag was being erected but instead of being an American flag it was 12 humble soldiers erecting this cross replacing the accomplishments of man with faith in the cross. So I believe that the Lord is going to have His revival, I believe that there will be a renewal that sweeps our country and I believe the 12 humble men represented the apostolic government that He is beginning to bring to his church with fresh revelations of the cross for our nation.

Sid: In light of everything that you know what advice would you give our listeners.

Keith: The word that we’re continually being given day after day is prayer. To join the Lord in His heart of intercession and to those that have supported our ministry we’ve sensed specific things that we’re asking that are being prayed. First and foremost is that we must pray that our nation and the church stand with Israel that cannot be compromised!  The second thing that we’re asking that the Lord release wisdom to our president to make the right decisions to make the right choices in his response the terrorist act. We’re asking that the terrorists be exposed that the Lord would supernaturally unveil their hiding places that He would exposed those responsible for the terrorism. Then we’re asking the people to pray that the Lord would send renewal that there would be a softening of our heart and that we would repent of placing our trust in man. You know Jeremiah talked about it that “Those that place their trust in flesh will be gravely disappointed but those that trust in the Lord will be like a tree planted by a river.” And that’s what we’re asking the people to pray that those things would be released. And it’s really a parallel to the presidential election.  And in 1999 the Lord gave us a word about the presidential election and that he ultimately that decision will be made by the church.  And I believe that the tie that occurred between the 2 candidates that whole issue hung in the balance and 2 diametrically opposing paths for our nation and because of the willingness of the church to pray we went one path. If this is identically the same thing the direction of our nation is hanging in the balance and it will be the willingness of the church to pray.

Sid: Over the next 12 months do you have any insight as to what will happen in the stock market?

Keith: Well according to the revelations we’ve been getting the Lord is going to restore the economy that’s the word He gave us.  Now he did not give a timetable he did not we feel like a lot of that will be determined here again by our responses; the responses as a church make right now and as we stand in the gap as did Moses for our nation I think that will determine how quickly that recovery will come.

Sid: Keith we’re out of time thank you.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home outside of Akron, Ohio is Rick Neill. We’re interviewing him on his brand new book, literally just off the press, “Ultimate Glory.” The thing that excites me about this book Mishpocha is there’ve been many scenarios on how the end time events will be, but you know none of these scenarios are really and truly based on the Old Covenant festivals. As I explained on yesterday’s broadcast God Himself tells us that these festivals, or the Hebrew word is these God appointments or holy convocations. In the Hebrew holy convocation means rehearsals. So God is already telling us if you’d like to know how the play ends look at the rehearsal. Most Christians don’t have a clue about their Hebraic roots because they were stolen and replaced with Greco-Roman roots. That’s why there’s so much confusion and controversy in the last days, but God does not want it to be a mystery to His children. So on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that the feasts are divided into 2 seasons so to speak. There’s the spring feast which were perfect shadows of the first coming of the Messiah, and then there are the fall feasts which again are perfect shadows of the return of the Messiah. Now one of the things that God… Rick really thinking along these lines has to do with the understanding of a wedding. A wedding, a Jewish wedding in the east is so different than what we have as weddings, even Jewish weddings or all kinds of weddings here in the west. So when we look at the parables of the Messiah the people when He said that they knew in cultural context what He was talking about, but today we put His words in our 21^st century western cultural context and get the wrong conclusions. So let’s start at the beginning again to understand what a Jewish wedding was like in the times that Jesus wrote all of these parables about the last days. Rick?

Rick: The things the Lord really used to get me started down this line there is something He stirred inside of me about the word mansion. What is turned out to be was we understand in the west the word mansion to mean like a 23 room estate with managed gardens, but the Hebrew word for mansion is more of an intimate place for the bride and the groom, a bridal chamber. Once He started me down that line of thinking He began to show me other things and how it works out is that with the wedding the way that it is Biblically, the bridegroom would come and propose a wedding covenant for the bride. He would come and set a goblet, or a glass of wine before the bride and before the bride’s father. He would propose a marriage covenant and he would in that covenant state what he would be willing to pay for the hand of his bride. The father would look over the covenant and it would be presented to the young lady and often times the young lady would be making her decision on whether or not to marry this bridegroom without even ever having seen him. But the proposal of marriage would be made and if she would receive the proposal, if she said “Yes” she would drink from the cup. The drinking of the cup they were considered betrothed, that doesn’t really mean engaged the way we think of it. What it means is that they were married but they were not to be together yet, they were husband and wife at that point but they couldn’t be intimate because at that point when she said “Yes” by taking and drinking of the cup the bridegroom was told that she had accepted his offer and he would go home to his father’s house and he would begin to prepare the mansion, the bridal suite. It would be the father’s decision, not he son’s decision as to when the bridal suite was finished. The son would work on the bridal suite when it was finally finished the father would give the okay to the son to go and sweep away his bride, to go in the middle of the night and to take her away, to catch her away. Well while this building was taking place of the mansion the bride would keep herself pure. Once she drank of that cup there was a veil to be worn over her face. From that day on that veil spoke of the fact that she is separate, she is to be separate onto her bridegroom that she is spoken for that the price has been paid for her, and that she is already spoken for. So she would each night go to bed and take her lamp with her because she did not know what night the bridegroom would be coming for her. She would take the oil and take the lamp, so that when the building was finished and the bridegroom did come that the best man would come with the bridegroom and with a shout he would awaken the bride and take away the bride and they would be whisked back to the bridal chamber, or the mansion, where the marriage would be consummated at that point.

Sid: The thing that’s so amazing in our understanding is here in the west we combine the wedding ceremony and the wedding feast, but how was it in Biblical days?

Rick: The wedding ceremony itself wasn’t going to happen until after the marriage was consummated because as they came back to the mansion when they came there the best man would wait outside the door after the marriage is consummated, and once the marriage is consummated the sheet that had blood on it from the first time that they made love would be shown as a sign of virginity, sign of purity which would mean that the wedding would proceed. Because at that point if the bride herself was not a virgin she was eligible to be stoned, that’s in Deuteronomy 22 that’s one of the ones that really got me started down this line. The whole idea of the wedding… the first emphasis is of a catching away, or the surprise taking away by the bridegroom. Then the next emphasis is on purity, that if the bride who the bridegroom comes for has not kept herself pure that she would be cut off at that point.

Sid: How does this pan out with the current thinking of say a little prayer with Billy, live like the world and when you die you have a life insurance policy to go to heaven, once you say that prayer no one can ever take your life insurance policy to heaven away?

Rick: The key to salvation is lordship, it’s relationship with Jesus. In Matthew 7 Jesus said “Not everyone who says to Me ‘Lord, Lord’ but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.” We can also see this in how Jesus addresses the 7 churches in Revelations where He talks about “I know your works.” The whole emphasis on Passover and the early feast days was on faith that we get into the kingdom by faith. Now our lifestyle once we enter by faith must be a lifestyle of faithfulness. That the Lord has called us to follow His Lordship that we can’t call Him Lord and ignore His dictates to our lives. That He has a specific destiny birth in everyone of us, that we have a specific target a specific destiny that we each are to fulfill for our Lord and as He walks us down there it’s the works, it’s the obedience, it’s doing what the Lord says that keeps us in fellowship with Him and we can’t ignore Jesus and call Him Lord.

Sid: The message I’ve been getting is the prophetic word I’ve been getting is “It’s time for separation.” What would that mean to you?

Rick: To me that is to lay down anything that is coming between Jesus and me. It doesn’t have to be black backsliding sin it can be in my case, my personal case, sports could become an idol in my life…

Sid: Now if sports was not an idol He wouldn’t tell you to lay it down.

Rick: No now there is nothing sinful about watching a football game, but where the problem comes in when I let that become too big a part of my life; when I spend more time investing my time in football than I do in reading the word and fellowshipping with the Lord, and interceding for His people. When I let things become more important than Jesus then that’s when He will come and tell us to separate that those things are sucking life. He has an awesome destiny set before me for my life and He has an awesome destiny set before you for your life. But there are also booby traps that the enemy tries to get in there to get us off track to suck that life of God out of us to where we will be spending our energy and resources in wrong areas.

Sid: You know when I read your book “Ultimate Glory” and read what the shadows of the fall feasts show I think it would cause someone to be very nervous if they understood what’s going to happen on the Day of Atonement.

Rick: I agree, I agree. Those who have a very shallow relationship with the Lord, those who believe they just have to say a prayer and they’ll go to heaven when they die that these feasts days, these fall feast days are really going to shake them up. But on the other hand those who have a heart to really serve the Lord, those who have really made Jesus Christ their Lord those who really want to fulfill their destiny, those who want to walk in Godliness, those who want to fulfill everything the Lord has predestined for them, these fall feast days will birth such hope in their hearts. That’s what it’s done in me.

Sid: I’ll just give our Mishpocha a little clue, we’re about ready to walk into the greatest revival the world has ever seen. The question is not whether we are going to walk into or not, the question is are you going to walk into it?

SID: So let’s just start out with basics. What does decree actually mean to you?

BRENT: Well in Job it specifically tells us that we are to decree a thing and it shall be established. The Bible tells us that, “Death and life are in the power of the tongue and they that love it shall eat or possess what they speak.” And decrees are about authority. When we decree it says, “Decree a thing and it shall be established.” Now one of the most powerful things about a decree is that if you and I are going to sit here we’re going decree prosperity over somebody or even the atmosphere, we would say, Father, in the name of Jesus, we decree prosperity in the name of Jesus and we receive all of the supply of Heaven. What we just did is we only didn’t receive the positive side of the prosperity, but with a knife we sliced poverty off in one statement. Remember the Bible says that the two-edged sword, you know what I’m saying. So there’s our two-edged sword right there, and those words, we are literally co-creating with God just like he did when he spoke light into existence, those words, the words created the light, so our words are faster than light. So literally, when we speak, when we decree, we set on fire God’s plan to begin to burn upon the earth and to cause his Glory to manifest.

SID: All right, that begs the question. When you decree God’s promises you do it out loud. Does it matter when you do it out loud or just do it to yourself?

BRENT: You always want to do things out loud, especially anything decreed. The Bible says, “Faith cometh by hearing.” And so if I hear my voice, if I hear myself decree, decree, decree, I decree this, I decree that, after a while my faith is going to go, whoa, oh wait, there’s something that’s happening right here. I can grab a hold of that and I can possess that.

SID: You say you should decree your today to establish your tomorrow. Now comment on that.

BRENT: You know, the thing is that we can go nowhere unless our words have come before.

SID: That’s profound.

BRENT: So basically it’s that prophecy or prophets, prophetic are speaking events without the cause. Decrees is the same thing. When you decree the life force of that decree through the Word of God, the establishment of the Word of God, you actually cause a greater level of authority because it’s the legislative authority. It’s courtroom authority. It’s Heaven’s courtroom authority and it causes us to step in and possess the unseen. When I decree that I’m going to be a blessing, that I’m going to be blessed, I’m talking about tomorrow. So when I open up my mouth and I decree, I’m actually decreeing my words for tomorrow. So we decree. We say, I decree. By his stripes I am healed. Doctor rings the phone, you’re sick. By his stripes I am healed. You get another report. By stripes I am healed. And you keep decreeing and declaring, and speaking, and praying, and singing, and possessing. And after a while, your mouth sets that thermostat where all of a sudden, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal.

SID: I don’t know about any of you, but he’s getting me pretty excited. How about you? Okay. Tell me about, you teach on a concept I’ve never heard it referred to this before, supernatural time travel. What are you talking about?

BRENT: Well it’s kind of like beam me up, Scotty, so to say. But what it is, is the Bible tells us that we see in part and we prophecy in part. So if I’m going to give you a prophetic word, Sid, I’m basically handing you as I give you the words, I’m actually giving you a key to go seek God for the missing piece. Now when I speak to you I’m seeing tomorrow and let’s say you got a bad report from the doctor and he’s given you six months. If I tell you, no, no, you’re going to live for seven years, I just stepped in the supernatural time travel with my words. I created a cause without the event yet happening or the event without the cause happening. It works both ways and literally you, all you have to do is get one day, pass one day of the six months and you already broke the curse. So you time travel with your words. The Bible says, “And upon this time, about this time tomorrow, I’m going to be walking in more than I was walking in today.” So as I speak those words, God is saying, oh, and when it happens is you unlock and you possess the unseen realm. The unseen realm comes in, faith ignites, you speak it again and all of a sudden, you got a hundred tomorrows. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

SID: When we come back, I believe there will be such power on these spoken words as he speaks them over you that your literal life, destiny, direction, families, every fiber of your being is going to be supernaturally changed for the better when we come back. I know you’re not going away.

be afraid. God is always saying, do not fear. Moses says to them, do not fear. That’s the spirit of fear. He said, because God has come to test you. What’s the test? That his fear may be in you, so you may not sin. Wait a minute, Moses, you just contradicted yourself. Don’t fear because God has come to see if his fear is in you? He’s not contradicting himself. He’s differentiating between being scared of the Lord and the fear of the Lord. There’s a difference. The person who is scared of God has something to hide. What does Adam do in the Garden? He runs from the presence of God, because why? He’s got now the spirit of fear. But the person who fears God, they’re terrified to be away from God. So if you want a definition, the first primary definition of the fear of the Lord it’s to be scared, no not scared, it’s to be terrified to be away from God. If you look at Lucifer, he led worship in Heaven, but he didn’t fear God, so iniquity was formed in him. If you look at a third of the angels, they’re in Glory, but they didn’t fear God, and they’re no longer in Glory. Every single creature around his throne throughout eternity, I believe is going to be tested in the two major things: the fear of the Lord and the love of God. Those are the two forces that keep us on the road of life.

SID: Moses wanted the presence of God above anything.

JOHN: Yes he did.

SID: Above everything. You want the presence of God. Tell me about the presence.

JOHN: You know, Moses, think about it, had the best life a human being had on the planet. He had the biggest house, the wealthiest grandfather. He had servants. He had everything he wanted, but yet he left it. Israel was abused by that same society. They have stripes on their backs. Their children are being put to death. They come out and they’re constantly saying, let’s go back to Egypt. It was better for us. Why? What’s the difference? Moses longed for the presence of God. Israel longed for what God could do for them. They wanted a promised land. See, Moses, God actually offered him. He said, “Hey, go ahead, go to the Promised Land. I’m going to send an angel, but I’m not going.” Now if God were to say that to Israel, if they were to be taken to Egypt without an angel, they would have taken the Promised Land with an angel. I’m sure of it. But Moses said, “If your presence doesn’t leave with us in this place of suffering, this place of lack, this wilderness, I’m not leaving and don’t take us out of here.” Because what Moses was communicating to God is, if I have to choose, I would rather have your presence over your promises. Israel wanted his promises over his presence.

SID: We’re after the promises and not the presence. When we have the presence, the promises are there. It’s called favor. I mean, my brain keeps going tilt on some of the teaching that’s relevant today that is based on prophecy that says there will be deception in the last days.

JOHN: That was the temptation of Satan with Jesus. Flesh, first one, rock. God wants you, doesn’t the Bible say, “I’ve never seen the righteous forsaken or seen begging for bread.” There’s your bread. Convert it. The next one was everything your eyes can behold, the lust of the eyes, all the kingdoms of the world. Just worship me. Worshiping is just who we obey, not who we sing to. Our greatest form of worship is obedience and that comes out of a heart that fears God.

SID: Is Jesus your savior or your Lord? I want you to say a prayer with me, but mean it. This is going to make the difference between knowing him or knowing about him. Repeat after me. Dear God, out loud, Dear God, I’m a sinner against you and you alone have I sinned and I’m so sorry. I make you my Lord and Savior. Lord Jesus, give me the enabling power to have your presence wherever I go. Come and live inside of me. Amen.

JOHN: Amen.

SID: Now many of you had heard about confessing God’s Word. As a matter of fact, the major scripture was when Joshua was taking over, God gave Joshua some advice. What did God tell Joshua?

JONATHAN: Well understand that Joshua was now given the responsibility to follow in the footsteps of Moses and lead about three million Jewish people into the Promised Land. And you can imagine that the—

SID: You could have ten Jewish people and you get 11 opinions. Three million, wow.

JONATHAN: You do. And I think he had a lot of insecurity and God at that time spoke to him and said, “Joshua, you’re going to be successful and I’m going to tell you how. The way that you will succeed is by meditating on my Word day and night,” and then he said this, “keeping it in your mouth.” If you go back to the word “meditate”, Christian meditation, Sid, is connected to the Hebrew word, “sekah”, which means to reflect, to think, to ponder. But the Hebrew for, the real Hebrew for meditating used in that verse is “hadah”. We get the word “Haggadah” from that, to tell. It means to mutter, it means to utter. God was saying to him, not just to keep the laws of God in his heart, but to speak them forth day and night, to constantly keep them in his mouth. It was talking about confession. And God said, “You’ll be successful in all you do. You’ll prosper if you keep my Word in your mouth, if you keep uttering it, muttering it, confessing it.” Why? Because faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. And I believe Joshua confessed the Word of God. He kept hearing over and over, hearing here and then hearing in his spirit. And when it got into his spirit, that 19 inches between the head and the heart, all faith is released and that’s where we live. That’s where the Spirit of God lives in our spirit. And we have to build up our spirit. How? Praying in other tongues and professing the Word of God.

SID: What you’re doing is you’re almost rehearsing what God is saying over and over, and over again. And it’s becoming a reality, a dynamic reality on the inside.

JONATHAN: It absolutely is. Confessing the Word of God is absolutely biblical. It’s powerful, it’s life-changing. And I saw this very specifically as a pastor when a woman that had been suffering from depression, acute depression most of her life. And Sid, she carried this as a cloud around her, just oozing depression and it, she had been to doctors and psychiatrists, and psychologists. And I was counseling to no avail. And I started praying for her and the Lord just spoke to me about giving her some scriptures to confess. And so I cut the hour short, and I said, “Here’s what I want you to do or I’m not meeting with you next week. You look in the mirror and you confess these scriptures.” And I had written down some: “Whoever the son sets free is free indeed. Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty.” Less than a week later, she came back to my office. She was smiling for the first time I had ever seen her smile. She had been completely delivered, not from counseling appointments, but by confessing the Word of God and it got into her spirit. She was delivered instantly.

SID: Now you have a little switch on this. You say there is power in the original Hebrew language in confessing God’s Word. Explain that.

JONATHAN: Well there’s a couple of things with Hebrew. First of all, Hebrew was the language known as the tongue of the prophets. The Old Testament, the original language of the scriptures was Hebrew and some teach, and I’m a believer in this, that when God spoke the world into existence, by the way, the Bible says that the tongue has the power over life and death. There’s life and death in the tongue. The tongue is a creative force and what separates us from all of God’s creation is articulate speech. I believe that when God spoke the world into existence and said, “Let there be light,” it was in the Hebrew language. So I believe that Hebrew itself as a language is a creative force. Maybe it’s the tones or whatever, but it’s a creative force. But there’s something else about Hebrew. It is a super language, Sid. Do you know what I mean by that?

SID: What do you mean?

JONATHAN: Okay. I saw you drinking some green juice.

SID: You don’t have to tell everything.

JONATHAN: I saw it. It was all, it’s got kale and it’s got all kinds, it’s a superfood.

SID: Right.

JONATHAN: Because it is all these nutrients pressed into it. There’s superfoods that are packed with nutrients and super vitamins, and so on. Well Hebrew is a super language. Example, “shalom.” Contained in “shalom,” which means peace, we have the English peace, shalom. But “shalom” has 20 other meanings. It’s completion, it’s welfare, it’s wholeness, it’s wellbeing, it’s security. And then the Hebrew word, “yireh,” that word, we say “provide,” but the Hebrew word means abundance. The Hebrew words means to bless, to prosper. It means success, it means sustenance, it means fulfillment, protection, shelter, graciousness, enjoyment. It means rain.

Literally, God will bring rain, yireh, he’ll bring rain in the dryness, revival.

SID: So what you’re saying is that when we proclaim God’s promises in Hebrew, you get the full meaning of what God meant rather than that one English word in our translation.

JONATHAN: You get 30 words in one word.

SID: Okay. But most people can’t speak Hebrew. I took bar mitzvah Hebrew. It took me years to learn Hebrew.

JONATHAN: I studied Hebrew from childhood. I hated it. I was a bad student.

SID: But there was a method developed called transliteration. Why was this developed?

JONATHAN: There is a solution. When the Jews of Europe who were raised in the whole yeshiva program and Hebrew was part of their prayer life and their study life from childhood, moved to America, they began to go through a secularization and they lost the Hebrew language.

SID: Right.

JONATHAN: Well the way that the rabbis came up was a brilliant way, came up with a way to use Hebrew in the prayer books is called transliteration. It’s taking the Hebrew and using phonetic English to actually spell out the Hebrew. So, “Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Echad”, God is one, in Hebrew most of us know that in transliteration, we can actually read along with the rabbi and participate in the service without actually learning Hebrew. It takes five minutes. I knew your question, five minutes.

SID: Anyone interested in speaking biblical Hebrew in five minutes?

JONATHAN: No studying, no background. Five minutes you’re speaking Hebrew.

SID: That’s my kind, now I see all these things selling languages. I like the five minute variety. When I come back, wait until you hear about this tribe that Jonathan found. It’s one of the lost tribes of Israel right in Africa that they did a DNA study on. It has, Lemba tribe people have higher high priest or priestly DNA, they’re called the Kohens, than any other people anywhere. We’ll be right back.

 

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Heidi Baker. Caught up with Heidi and Rolland Baker in a hotel room in Toronto where they’re ministering. They have a ministry that provokes me to jealousy and I’m Jewish and the Bible says “That the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy” and Heidi you have done it in Mozambique, Africa. You feed thousands of orphans, you’ve started thousands of churches in just a few years. After you’ve had such an encounter with the Lord in 1997 on the floor where you were literally out for… what was it the second time something like 7 days?

Heidi: (Laughing) 7 days.

Sid: What’s it like to be out 7 days in the spirit? Not out but with Jesus like that?

Heidi: Glorious, glorious and frightening all at the same time.

Sid: You’ve seen so many wonderful miracles. Tell me about the person without any pupils in their eyes.

Heidi: Oh that was glorious. I had had a prophetic word from Randy Clark that I’d see the blind see and the deaf hear, and the dumb speak, and the cripple walk. I just knew it was from God. So I went out looking for all these blind people and in Mozambique we have quite a few blind people. So I probably prayed for 20 before they started to see. I would just go run up to them on the street. The Lord was faithful to me and they all met Jesus but they didn’t see. Then finally, I mean I’d fast and pray and believed God for these miracles and finally the first woman who was miraculously healed. I was with my friend Taniken in this mud hut church in Central Mozambique and the woman’s name was Ida, my name in Mozambique is Momma Ida. Her name was Ida as well and she had white eyes completely blind. I prayed for her she went down in the spirit laying on the mud floor and eyes went from white, to grey, to brown.

Sid: Hmm.

Heidi: It was glorious. She was unable to get up she was like I had been just the glory of the Lord had her just on the ground. I remember driving off in our 4×4 with this woman still on the ground but able to see perfectly, and the glory of God just touching her. It was so wonderful. The next person was in Rago’s mud hut church in Central Mozambique in Dondo. The most amazing thing was her name was also Ida, my name. She was healed instantly and she said “You’re wearing a black shirt.” She’d gone blind at 8 years old and she knew her colors. We took her outside and she saw the sun for the first time in something like 20 years and she started to cry because it hurt her eyes. But she was instantly healed and so the whole village was on fire for God, they got saved 99% of the village are Christians now.

Sid: What about people being paralyzed have you seen them healed?

Heidi: Yes I have. One interview we did a while back I was really sensing the Lord wanted to touch people with bone problems, with spine, and bone problems. I’ve seen major healing even a completely paralyzed man healed in Jesus name.

Sid: Instant or gradual?

Heidi: Instant, instant.

Sid: Describe that.

Heidi: I was in the dump and I had been praying for crippled people, always wanted to see paralyzed people walk. The Lord let me go into the darkest darkness into the most desperate poverty stricken place with no cameras, no videos, no razzmatazz. Here he is lying in the dirt hasn’t walked in 2 years, can’t wiggle his toes and the Lord told me to baptize him. I led him to Jesus, led him to the Father, baptized him in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. I broke the curse, broke the darkness over him and told him to get up in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth and walk. He did and instantly, totally completely healed.

Sid: Now you told me the Lord wanted you totally dead to self and totally alive to Him, but not just you. Does he want all of us or just special vessels?

Heidi: (Laughing) All of us. “No longer you that lives but Christ Jesus who lives in you.”

Sid: What does this really practically mean?

Heidi: Your life’s not your own. I just had a major vision 2 days ago that I think is very critical right now for the world, for Israel, for all of us. It was this – Whoa! – this amazing vision of chariots of fire surrounding the globe. There was thousands and thousands of these chariots of fire and the servant lovers of God were riding in the chariots, their arms were outstretched, they had swords, double-edged swords in their hands. The sword was fire it was a sword of fire, the purity the holiness of God they were holy vessels. Their bodies were totally transparent and they had these huge hearts their hearts were beating with the love of God. The Lord Himself had the reigns of the chariot and the Lord cried “Now! Now!” and the chariots began to go around the earth in a circle around the earth. The glory of God was hitting the whole earth it was covering the earth, the glory of Lord was covering the earth as the waters cover the sea. The Lord is holding the reigns and He says “Our life is not our own! Our life is not our own we’ve been bought with a price with the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Our life is not our own it belongs to Him.” He’s asking the church, He’s asking the bride “Who will ride? Who will ride in the chariot of fire? Who will carry the glory of the Lord to the ends of the earth and not touch it? Who will carry the glory to the ends of the earth and not touch it, not feel it but carry it to the ends of the earth? Who will ride in the chariots of fire?

Sid: Heidi my staff, myself there are people God has handpicked to hear this cassette tape as well as to are listening on the radio right now. We’re so hungry, we’re so desperately hungry for more of God. Would you pray that this same type of anointing of selling out to the toys of the flesh would come upon all of us? Then pray anything God directs.

Heidi: Yes, oh yes, oh Father God, Father God we’re ready Lord we’re God we want You Lord to kill us to love us to death. I ask You God to love Your people to death to kill them and to kiss them. Holy God to kill them and to kiss them Holy God that they would know Your presence God. I’m asking You now… oh! (speaking in tongues) I’m asking You now precious God that Your fire hit Your fire hit Your people that You consume us Lord, that You consume us Lord that You consume us with Your love, that You light us on fire oh God! That we would ride in these chariots that You have brought, that You have brought Lord Your chariots of fire, Your – Whoa! – Your chariots of fire Lord that we would get into the chariots Lord as people dead to self, dead to self, dead to the desires of the world! No more selfish ambition! Lord wipe it out! Wipe it out! Wipe out the selfish ambition! Wipe out the desire to be known! Wipe out the desire to be seen! Lord God let Your nameless faceless lovers let those that love You God get in the chariots and ride God for this end time harvest that will cover the earth with the glory of the Lord like the waters cover the sea! Lord cover Israel with Your glory! Cover Israel with Your glory! Cover Israel with Your glory! Cover the world with Your glory Lord! Let the people of God step into the chariots and go Lord. Thank You God that You hold the reigns, that You hold the reigns God we give You the reigns. We say the Lord will hold this sword of faith with both of our hands. Holy vessels! Holy vessels! The Lord is calling for holy vessels and the holy vessels will lay hands on the sick, on the blind, on the death, on the dumb and they will hear, they will see, they will speak, they will get up and walk! The dead will be raised it’s not just for Africa it’s for the church to arise and be who you’re called to be! To rise to wake up church! Wake up church! Wake up church! Wake up church the wedding feast is about to begin and you’re not ready wake up! Wake up! The Lord’s saying “Wake up it’s time to hear the cry of the Lord! Wake up church! Call in the poor, the crippled, the blind, and the lame and as you call the Lord will put His power in your hands, and in your heart. They will be saved, and they will be healed, and they will be transformed and the Lord Himself is healing right now! Spinal problems great pain in backs and necks all the way from the head down to the spine in Jesus name be healed! Oh (speaking in tongues). The Lord is healing right now a right knee, a right knee it’s swollen and you’re sitting I believe in a reddish brown couch right now, a reddish brown couch the Lord is healing you and your right knee. Oh precious Jesus. Oh precious Father continue to heal Lord. Let Your glory be known. Let Your glory be known to the ends of the earth. The Lord is causing some of you right now, the power of God’s hitting you. The fire of God is hitting you and He’s saying “You will ride in the chariot and you will give your life away.” He’s calling now I see Him calling people into full-time missions, full-time missions. Not a 2 week trip, not a 1 year trip, full-time all of who you are for Him. All of who you are for Him. He’s saying “Call in the poor, call in the poor. Servant lovers call in the poor the wedding feast is about to begin. Call them in, call them in and you will go, you will go, you will go.” People listening to this broadcast will go to the ends of the earth carrying the glory of the Lord. Carrying the glory of the Lord…

Sid: And what she is praying right now is going to continue on this video from the Toronto Airport Church.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Joan Gieson I’m speaking to her at her home in St. Louis, Missouri. And after she gave birth to her first child just out of the blue she became blind instantly and the blindness would come and go and the deafness would come. And one doctor said that she wouldn’t even live. You felt almost like a walking time bomb it must have been awful to all of a sudden be able to see and then all of a sudden be blind!

Joan: Sid those were my exact thoughts. You know it was you know I didn’t know what minute that…none of us know when we’re going to die but when things are so wrong and your body starts going in the opposite direction you know that death is imminent but not knowing when. And my concern was will it be with my son, will it be in the middle of the night and whatever. And to go out my husband would take me shopping or my mom and I would go in the stores and the grief of this thing. But remember I told you that this fear came over me and that fear enveloped me and it cause me not to be able to do anything. Well Satan has a plan but I’ll tell you God’s plan for all of us is greater. And I talked to my husband by the grace of God…I shouldn’t say I talked him into it the Holy Spirit talked to my husband about taking me to Pittsburgh but it took us from September until May of the next June 1966, May the 22^nd.

Sid: For those that are just tuning in she was turning on the radio found Kathryn Kuhlman but had one of had one of the greatest healing ministries of this generation. And she would hear on the radio about people getting healed and so she said childlike and that’s what we have to be in order to be in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. And she said “Jesus must be in Pittsburgh where this woman has her meetings.” So she got her husband to take her to Pittsburgh and what happened?

Joan: Well in that service first of all we took another woman from our Lutheran church and this woman had MS she too could not see and she wasn’t blind but the vision was very poor couldn’t read or anything and was very spastic. In fact she had a cup strapped to her arm just for her to drink from and couldn’t eat solid foods we had to buy baby food for her on the way, and had no control of her bowels or her bladder. How this husband ever allowed that to happen I’ll never know but he allowed us to take her and she had 4 children. Her name was Shirley and his name is Richard. We got her in the backseat and all of the way both her and I we so sick. And my husband that doesn’t believe in anything I mean he’s a strong German man and he’s just a little upset that he’s doing this. And this lady’s sitting in this backseat and he’s afraid she’s going to mess it up.

Sid: (Giggling).

Joan: And I’m sitting in the front seat and I’m sick in my stomach and I can see. Now we get to the service its midnight and we had to take her to a different place because she had to go into a wheelchair section. So I could hear her though and we would call back and forth to one another “Now I can hear and barely see thousands and thousands of people that are brought in ambulances, brought in in buses and they’re letting them off and here we are at a First Presbyterian Church downtown Pittsburgh on 5^th Street. And all of these people and they’re singing songs and it’s cold and your shivering although it was spring time it was still cold. And so now the doors open it’s 9:00 and these big doors I hear swing open and everybody’s pushing, oh they’re pushing so hard. And Frank took my hand and he ran me into that church he had to run you couldn’t walk as everybody was pushing you. And we sat down and the second I sat down Sid I was just overwhelmed with this light that I felt coming from above like the front of the sanctuary. And that’s the direction it seemed to be coming from and it felt like it was on top of my head and my body was illuminated. And I said “Frank Honey what’s that light on my head?” And he said “Joan there’s no light on your head.” And then I’d be quiet for a little bit and this light was so big and so engulfing and I’m crying and I’m saying “Frank Honey please look up there’s a light on my head tell them to turn this light off.” And he’d say Joan please open your eyes there is no light on your head. Sid I opened my eyes and I saw a light it was a brilliant like a spotlight that focuses small at one end and then funnels into. And I was engulfed in this light and now I can feel something happening physically to my body. I can feel the change taking place but I’m so afraid to say anything because I’d never been in a place like that. I’ve never been in other than Catholic funerals into another church in my whole life except my Lutheran church. Now there’s no sound I’m trying to be quiet as I’m crying and I’m saying “Frank that light is so bright, honey that light is so bright; Frank I think I can see now I can see all the way to the front of the church I can see everybody’s hair, I can see the color of their clothes they’ve got on, I can see my friend all of the way over on the other side in the wheelchair.” And now in a few seconds after in time of all of this one of Miss Kuhlman’s secretaries name Maggie Harner she’s now gone to Jesus.

Sid: I knew Maggie.

Joan: She said to me she stopped in our row and she looked in and she said “Honey is God doing something for you” and I said “Yes I couldn’t see when I got here and now I can see and I could hardly walk my husband had to hold on to me and my husband had to hold on to me and now I believe I can walk, I believe I can stand.” Come out in the aisle she said come. I got out in the aisle and Sid I could see, I could walk, I spun around in a circle I mean that would knock me flat on my face. I spun around in a circle and I had complete balance and she said “Come let’s go down and tell Miss Kuhlman.” Well we walked down to tell Miss Kuhlman and she just briefly prayed for my husband and I and oh, oh she said oh and raised her hand and both Frank and I were slain by the power of that. Now that may sound scary but we laid on the floor before all of those people under that power of God that’s all I can tell you I don’t understand it even today, but I see it happen.

Sid: In other words to those that have not seen a thing most have it’s when the power of God comes on someone they can’t stand they fall.

Joan: You cannot there’s no resistance to it, and if you try to get up you can’t do that either it’s like you’ve been nailed to the floor. It doesn’t hurt it’s not frightening it’s… some people feel warmth, some people see light, some people feel…

Sid: Now your husband correct me if I’m wrong but your husband wasn’t really a true believer at that time was he.

Joan: He was not!

Sid: Well how did it affect him?

Joan: Well it changed his life you know he got saved but after that but it changed his life because he felt something. Here’s this hardheaded…

Sid: But wait a second as a non-believer he’s certainly not cooperating with anyone that wants him to fall so that had to be God.

Joan: Oh he’s never fainted in all of his life and that’s one thing that he always says if someone ask him. He said “I’ve never even fainted, I did not know what it was to lose consciousness or lose control of my own body and my own actions and there I knew I was on the floor and there wasn’t one thing I could do about it.” And here I’d been praying all of these months Sid, “Oh, God help me, oh God let me understand, let me learn and I’m so excited about the things of the Lord and he’s going “Will you calm down, will you stop this nonsense you know you’re getting like a fanatic telling me.” And now Kathryn Kuhlman says “Oh the glory on that husband.” And I thought “Oh God is that funny this guy’s been saying no and she’s saying look at the glory of God on this husband.” And well that’s kind of a fun thing but anyway when we got up when the ushers helped us up we walked to the back of the church and everybody’s hugging and holding on to…and now Sid I heard Miss Kuhlman say “Mam you in the wheelchair what’s happening with you?” And I heard this lady say “Oh nothing, I have multiple sclerosis. And I thought “It’s my friend” and I heard Miss Kuhlman say “In the name of Jesus honey just stand up from that wheelchair.” She said “Oh no I can’t do that I haven’t walked from 14 years.” Miss Kuhlman said “In the name of Jesus” now I see Miss Kuhlman walking to my friend she takes both of her hands Sid and she says “In the name of Jesus” and the lady gets out of the wheelchair my friend Shirley gets out of the wheelchair. Now Miss Kuhlman’s taking her for a walk. Here’s a lady that can’t eat solid food, she can’t go to the bathroom on her own. Frank is carrying her in and our of every restaurant that we went even out of the hotel that we stayed in and now this woman is on her feet. I had never seen a miracle before I didn’t know anything about miracles, I didn’t know anything about the power of God. I mean I was born again, I was a Christian now but I didn’t know anything and now I’m seeing my friend walking and all of a sudden Miss Kuhlman let go of her and she ran across a cross the front of that church. Oh my goodness. Sid I ran back down the front I mean you can’t even imagine or you can imagine it was like if you had just had 15 babies at one time I mean the joy of the Lord was so big in everybody and nobody is making a sound but you could feel the thrill inside of them you could feel the…

Sid: Oh Joan we’re out of time. Mishpochah so many wonderful things are going to happen to you the rest of this week be sure to come back tomorrow.

SID: Pat, you’re minding your own business and God gives you a revelation that is changing lives all over the world.

PAT: Yes.

SID: It’s the revelation of the unqualified.

PAT: Right.

SID: What happened?

PAT: I was driving down the road one day and I’m in my city, and I was running to the post office for my wife, and I had just been talking to some key prophetic voices. And I pull into the post office and the Spirit of the Lord overwhelms me, and I began to weep. And he said, “Get your phone out.” So I pulled out my phone with a little pad on it and the Lord began to speak to me, and he said, “Pat, I’m about to raise up the unqualified. These are the ones that will confound what it really means to be qualified.” He said, “They will come and they will stand for truth against those that have learned to live with maintenance faith versus miraculous faith.” And I begin to weep. I’m sitting in the car. And then he goes on tell me, he said, “They will shake up the kingdom from the north, south, east and west. I will bring forth new voices of nobodies, what the world calls oops and accidents.” They’re always saying there’s no such thing as an illegitimate child. I’ve met many illegitimate parents. But he’s going to raise up the ones that had been thrown away. There are going to be voices that rise up and people go, where in the world did they come from? And when they say no way, he screams Yahweh because God is about to use the ones that everyone else discounted. Then he said to me, “Pat, they’re not Plan B. They are my valued. They are the valued of the Lord.” So I began to weep and it overwhelms me because I personally thought, why in the world would you use me, God. And that’s the way. You know what I found out, from cover to cover I went deep into it. Everyone in the Bible was unqualified that was greatly used.

SID: You’re telling me someone with no education, no money, doesn’t speak properly, may even have a speech impediment.

PAT: Yes.

SID: Tell me, is there hope for them.

PAT: The only hope for them is through the power of the Holy Spirit. That’s who God is raising up, the ones who have had encounters with God. And here’s the qualification for being used by God today. You have to have a limp called brokenness. You have to walk through the wilderness, the wilderness of isolation and confrontation and then consecration. And then he separates you from the world and you make a stand for truth, for power, for the power of the Holy Spirit, for the anointing, for the love. And again, what I’m finding out is right now, Sid, these people that have been sitting on the sidelines for so many years, sitting Christians hatch hypocrites. They got to rise up. They got to do something. Get to Heaven with nothing left to do. I always say when I get to Heaven I don’t want my lifestyle to change. But I also believe when I get to Heaven I want to be able to walk in and say, I’m done, I did what you told me to do. Everyone that is watching this show needs to ask God, get a pen and paper out, go to bed with pen and paper beside the bed. He’ll speak to them in dreams. He’ll give them a prophetic word. And start out saying, “Lord, take me, take me.” And here’s the big thing I’ve learned. The greatest royalty in the Kingdom of God usually comes broken. It’s the [unintelligible] chefs that have dropped, but they have a place at the king’s table. No matter what you’ve been through the hand of God has been on you and it may have felt like he wasn’t, but the whole time he was screaming, “Come on, come on, I’ve still got, I’m still with you.” And those are the ones that God will raise up because they confound those that thought they had it figured out.

SID: Give me a key scripture for they don’t qualify.

PAT: There’s a bunch. Paul said in First Corinthians 4, “We’re the Messiah’s misfits.” It’s in the Message Bible. I love that because I was a misfit. You should have seen my report cards. And all my report cards said, “Talks too much, daydreams”.

SID: Did you really feel you were unqualified?

PAT: My whole life. My whole life. Even preaching to tens of thousands I’d go back and say, why are you using me. But First Corinthians 1 thru 26, thru 28, says “Set me free.” I love it in the Message Bible. I love it in the NIV as well because it says, “You confound the wise with the foolish.” But First Corinthians 1, Verse 26-28 says, “Take a good look friends at who you were when you got called in this life.” I don’t see many of the brightest and the best. I don’t see many of the most influential from influential families. He said, God takes what the world culture ignores and uses it to change humanity. That’s us. If you knew my story you’d shout with me. If you knew where we came from that’s all of us. We’ve all got stories. We’ve all got mistakes we’ve made. We’ve all got history books. But he rewrote our book, the Bible says. In fact, he’s been writing the chapters of our life. We are God’s voice, of power and authority. You have the power and authority to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. You should be a roaming upper room. When you walk into places demons ought to be diving out windows.

SID: What is the greatest hindrance?

PAT: Yeah.

SID: What is the greatest hindrance to be used by God, in your opinion?

PAT: I honestly believe with all my heart it’s insecurity and fear because those things, it’s the root of everything. Until you get passed the mirror and start looking out the window of harvest and realize it’s not about you, that you are God’s raising of his hands and sent to clear up the message. The greatest hindrance is rising up and realizing, number one, God likes you. The Holy Spirit is proof that God wants to be your friend. But the number two, that God has been waiting on you. You’re not an oops, you’re not an accident, you’re his voice that he’s raised up wherever you’re at. Local, that’s the word. In your back yard, change the atmosphere. Start doing things that no one else does. Pray, walk your yard, reclaim your land, lay hands on your children. Walk through your house, turn on worship, pray in the spirit, wash your kids’ feet. Do what others won’t do and God is going to blow your mind and allow you to do things others never could.

SID: Now Pat, a pastor recently called you that showed the video of the last time you were on It’s Supernatural.

PAT: Right.

SID: What happened?

PAT: The pastor from a church in southern California was showing an introduction of our ministry and he used the video of you and I together the last time. And all of a sudden, a lady that was there, this woman is on her death bed, but she wanted to go to church, had been sent home to die from cancer. She came to church that night. It was like a Tuesday night. She’s sitting in Bible study. He shows the video. They take her home. Suddenly she starts feeling better. Suddenly strength comes back into her. Blood starts flowing again. Goes to the doctor, radically healed of cancer after being sent home to die. But here’s what was amazing about it, Sid, she was also a cutter. And when she went to get dressed or whatever, the places that she didn’t want anybody to know, suddenly all of her scars were gone. And I believe there are people that are watching this show right now because there’s an anointing synergy that is flowing that can go out through any camera that are going to be healed of miraculous diseases right now where they’re sitting, because that’s what kind of Father we serve.

SID: I want to tell you something. Pat had a clear vision of the future of America and when he comes back I’m going to have him share this with you and you will be as shocked as he was when he had that vision. I also may turn him loose to do whatever God tells him to do. We’ll be right back.