SID: You know, because of an open Heaven, how would you define an open Heaven, James?

JAMES: I think just the, Heaven is open and but we need to see it, we need to feel it, we need to experience it. And when that happens the Glory of God just descends on people and things begin to happen.

SID: Like for instance, when someone is under an open Heaven and the Glory of God descends, tell me the types of things that happen.

JAMES: Well we see creative miracles. We’ve seen—

SID: Give me an example.

JAMES: More than once we’ve seen people who have had fused vertebrae and suddenly all of that fuse is gone and they have like a new spine in that area, just totally a new created miracle.

SID: What other things happened?

JAMES: We’ve seen people that have received financial miracles. The money they needed for ministry just suddenly manifested.

SID: You know what I find? When the Glory of God comes upon you, because there’s an open Heaven, everything speeds up.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: Is this what you’re finding?

JAMES: Oh yes. I speak of it as an acceleration. Things begin to accelerate in the spiritual realm and the spirit can just minister to a whole group at the same time, and we see people get all kinds of emotional and spiritual healings as well as someone recently healed of claustrophobia just in the Glory presence.

SID: Okay. You told us in the last segment you were at the Mount of Transfiguration and a door opened, and you received an impartation. But you were with a bunch of other people. What happened to them when you saw that open door?

JAMES: Well when that experience was over I let the people know that I had just received this and they immediately lighted up. And I started to pray for them, and one by one they just, they went down under the presence of God in that open Heaven. And we had several people who had a third Heaven visit, others who began to see visions. Some people who had seen angels really for the first time, they began to manifest that they could see them. So the seer anointing just broke loose in these people.

SID: Now some people may be saying, well I wish James could lay hands on me. Is it just as effective for you to speak it?

JAMES: Oh yes, it is.

SID: Well then I commission you in the name of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach Tsidkenu, Jesus the Messiah our Righteousness, pray and impart what God has given you right now.

JAMES: Amen. Amen. Well the Lord told me to release an impartation for a renewed mind. And so I just want to speak that over you right now that the Lord would come and touch in a special way. The Holy Spirit would touch you with this fire, burn away every hindrance, everything that has blocked you, let unforgiveness, bitterness and strife be gone in the name of Jesus Christ. Everything that I may not know of that may be hindering you, let Jesus right now just take that away. Let the Holy Spirit fire come and burn that away. And I’d like to ask you to help me because you don’t have to have me touch you. You want the Holy Spirit to touch you. But the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. So I’m going to ask you if you would to take your hands and put your hands over your eyes right now. And I want to pray the Elijah prayer over you, and say, Lord, I pray open their eyes that they may see. Now I’m putting my faith behind it. I’m asking you to put your faith behind it and believe that what you have prayed the Lord has released, and your spiritual eyes are open wider now than they ever been before. If you would take your hands and put them over your ears right now and speak the same prayer. Lord, I pray open their ears that they may hear. You pray it: Lord, open my ears that I might hear.

SID: Open my ears that I might hear.

JAMES: And believe it. Put your faith behind it. And I believe that Jesus releases it right now. I feel something shifting in the spirit right now. The Lord has released it. Just receive it in his name. Put your hands over your heart. Say, Lord, I want to have a heart to perceive. So Lord, I pray.

SID: Heart to perceive.

JAMES: Let my heart to be open to perceive spiritual things. And I believe that it’s important, all the senses, if you would, this may sound a little strange, but put your hands over your nose and say, nose.

SID: Nose.

JAMES: Open up.

SID: Open up.

JAMES: To smell the things of the Kingdom.

SID: To smell the things of the Kingdom.

JAMES: Lord, I pray.

SID: Lord I pray.

JAMES: That you would open up everyone’s sense of smell to be able to detect the fragrances of Heaven, the fragrance of the Holy Spirit, the fragrance of the angels and the fragrance of Jesus. Lord, open up that sense. And now if you would, I’m believing you received it, but just one more step. Put your fingers over your lips and we’re going to pray right now. Lord.

SID: Lord.

JAMES: Open up a sense of taste.

SID: Open up a sense of taste.

JAMES: So everyone can taste you.

SID: So I can taste you.

JAMES: And know that you are good.

SID: And know that you are good.

JAMES: That we can taste your Word and it’s sweeter than honey.

SID: That I can taste your Word.

JAMES: Lord, open up all five senses right now.

SID: Thank you, Lord.

JAMES: In the mighty name of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach. Amen and amen.

SID: Amen.

JAMES: We put our faith behind it. We believe it and receive it in Yeshua’s name. Amen.

SID: There’s one more sense, the most important one. God wants to open up your spirit to know him. This is eternal life that you might know him, have experiential knowledge. Say, Dear God, out loud, Dear God, I’m a sinner. Forgive me for my sins. I believe the blood of Jesus washed away my sins and I’m clean. And now that I’m clean, Jesus, come inside of me. I make you Lord of my life. I love you, Lord. I love you Jesus. Thank you, Lord. Amen.

Sid: You know Mishpocha I’ve been speaking all this week about the brand new Zechariah Prophecy Calendar. It’s a 16 month calendar, a Jewish calendar. The artwork is by a Russian artist is all done in Israel from the book of Zechariah. For myself I always want to know when the Biblical festivals are because God talks about special blessings in these festivals. I have the man that put this calendar together Eric Morey on the telephone. I’m speaking to him at his home in Tiberias, Israel. I have a question for you Eric something that never made any sense to me before. I want to see your spin on this. We know as a fact before Jesus came there was a requirement to observe all the Biblical festivals and traditional Jews did it then and still do this today. We know that the first church was all Jewish and they all, according to the best book we have on the first church, the New Testament, they all observed the Biblical festivals initially. Then for some reason the Biblical festivals were replaced with a mixture of paganism and great events in the life of the Messiah. All the Biblical festivals were kind of stopped, however, when I read about the millennium we know that these Biblical festivals will be reactivated. So my question is, if the first church observed these Biblical festivals, if we’ll be observing the Biblical festivals in the millennium, why did we put it on instant pause now?

Eric: (Laughing) That’s a good question Sid and I don’t have a good answer. You know I think the church went off base around as you said earlier around the time of Constantine. All kinds of elements were introduced and Christmas was chosen partly because of the Misraich religion at that time was very prominent and they celebrated the winter solstice, the rebirth of the… the shortest day of the year when the days begin to get longer which they miscalculated as December 25^th it is really December 21^st. So they decided to celebrate the birth of Messiah on the day that the Mithras celebrated to kind of steal the glory from them…

Sid: How were they able to do that because of my understanding of the New Covenant the shepherds were out in the field and in December in Israel they can’t be out in the field which means the Messiah wasn’t even born in December.

Eric: I’m sure he wasn’t.

Sid: (Laughing)

Eric: More than likely He was born in September, but nobody knows for sure. My feeling about is, well you know we’ve got to celebrate it sometime and… we don’t have to actually we are not commanded to at all, but if we do chose to celebrate it then I guess December 25^th is okay. When you look at the roots of it you realize that it comes from a pagan celebration concerning the sun god, then you have to really question it.

Sid: You know what I believe is it is not so much a legalistic letter of the law requirement, a matter off salvation, a matter of righteousness… No! No! No! It really and truly as I read Isaiah about the great blessings of worshiping God on the Sabbath. As I read Zechariah that in the millennium if the Gentile nations do not celebrate the Feasts of Tabernacles they’ll literally not have any rain come on them and they’ll be hit with plagues. There’s such a blessing and celebration connected with these festivals. That’s why I want to get this Zechariah Prophecy Calendar into as many hands as possible that the wind of the Spirit is saying “I want your roots, your Hebraic Biblical roots restored not as a mandatory thing but as an appointment with God.” I really believe this calendar is a good first step because… well tell us a little bit about some of the things in the calendar.

Eric: Well Sid you’re right it’s an excellent tool for that for connecting Christians and Messianic believers with Israel and with the Jewish people and with the Jewish roots of the Christian faith. Because in any nationality, any culture the calendar and the holidays that are celebrated and the way that time is measured is extremely important. The Jews have got a unique calendar unique within. They invented, well God invented the Sabbath but He gave it to the Jews. The whole world celebrates a 7 day week today. So these Jewish traditions that are incorporated into their calendar and many of them are scriptural of course are a window into the soul and the history of the Jewish people and of the Jewish roots of the Christian faith. Our calendar everyday of every month of the year, its 16 months on this calendar, you can see what day it is on the Latin calendar, of course you can also see what day it is on the Jewish calendar, you can see what day of the week it is called in the Hebrew on the Jewish calendar. You can see what month it is on the Jewish calendar. You can see what year it is on the Jewish calendar and they have their own cycle of years. So you’re keeping track of their way of Biblical based method of time keeping. Every Sabbath, a very interesting fact the Jews read through the first 5 books of the Bible, the Pentateuch, they call it the Torah, the first 5 books of Moses it’s called sometimes. These are very very important to the Jews and they read through every year the whole Pentateuch, the whole Torah, in a cycle and every Jewish community in the world, every synagogue all over the world reads the same scripture portions on the same Saturdays all over the world. It’s like a clock that’s ticking in the heart and the mind of every Jewish person in the world. You can read on our calendar what passage of scripture they’re reading that week. You can line yourself up, you can tune… this is scripture. Tune yourself with the heartbeat of the Jewish people through these scripture portions, through the holidays. The holidays are extremely important and as you said “Christianity has gone off.” What’s Easter? Easter was named after Astarte. Astarte was a pagan goddess is condemned by name repeatedly in the Bible and yet this holiday was named after her. We have the Easter eggs and the Easter bunny, and all this fertility stuff, it’s an abomination.

Sid: The goddess was the fertility goddess that’s where we… I never knew where the Easter egg and the bunny came from, but that’s literally where it came from the fertility goddess Ishtar.

Eric: That’s where it came from. So this is what we celebrate as a resurrection of our Lord? Hello!

Sid: (Laughing)

Eric: You know its Passover. The Last Supper was the Seder supper that’s Passover. He resurrected from the dead on Sunday on the middle of the Passover week, the first day of the week during Passover. That’s when it ought to be celebrated.

Sid: Tell me a bit about the descriptions you have of each of the Biblical festivals in the calendar itself.

Eric: Well we think it’s important that people understand where these holidays came from. They all came out of scripture. The only one that didn’t actually come out of scripture is Chanukah because Chanukah celebrates an event that took place after… between the 2 testaments, between the close of the Old Testament and the opening of the New Testament. But it’s mentioned in… Jesus celebrated it, it’s mentioned in the New Testament it is called the Feast of Dedication. So all these feasts have a Biblical base and then we say how they were celebrated in New Testament times. Most of these holidays were mentioned in the New Testament and celebrated by the New Testament believers and by Yeshua Himself. Then there’s the modern celebration of these festivals which in some cases align with the Biblical and in some cases do not. For example, the Passover Seder today is quite different from what God commanded the Jews to do in the beginning in the Passover, quite different. It’s more of a traditional thing but it goes back probably to the time of Yeshua, actually. So we talk about kind of a perspective on what these holidays mean to a New Testament believer today, a spiritual perspective on it. See how for all that… for each of these holidays. As you go through you come to the Feast of Pentecost, or as it’s called in Hebrew Shavuot. You go back to the opening pages of the calendar, you flip back and you say “What is the Biblical origin of this feast? How is it celebrated in the New Testament times?” Very famous holiday in New Testament times in the book of Acts. “How is it celebrated today in the modern Jewish world? What is the significance of it for the New Testament believers?” Every one of these holidays you have this.

Sid: Mishpocha I can hear some you screaming. Eric you didn’t finish that very important teaching you were doing from Zechariah 14 about the Lord returning of which you have the most beautiful artwork in this calendar. Would you quickly summarize that and finish that.

Eric: We have a painting of Yeshua coming on the clouds of heaven with power and glory. It triggers from Isaiah 14:5 which says “The Lord my God shall come and all the holy ones with thee.” But the same scene is described in Matthew 24, Revelation 19, and Isaiah 63. We took elements for this painting from all those passages of scripture. In Revelation it says that He has a sword in His mouth, and so we were contemplating this and we were thinking “Surely this doesn’t mean a physical metal sword it means the word.” As the word of God is compared to a sword and called a sword in many places in scripture and it comes out of the mouth, so it’s a word coming out of His mouth. What word would Yeshua be speaking at this incredibly significant moment of Him coming on the clouds with power and glory? Coming back the second coming of Yeshua! What would He be saying? We didn’t have to make it up because in Isaiah 63 there’s a dialogue recorded where the narrator says “Who is this coming out of Bozrah and Edom with His robes dyed in red?” This is Yeshua and you can in this painting His robes are dyed in red just like it describes also in Revelation. Then the horseman Himself, Yeshua Himself, answers the question in Isaiah 63 and what does He say? He says “It is I who speak in righteousness mighty to save.”

Sid: Mishpocha this is such a wonderful family calendar to talk and to teach your children and that’s what the scriptures say that we’re supposed to do. When it’s opened up it’s 13.5 x 26 inches. The paintings are literally suitable if you’d like to frame them they’re so beautiful. The calendar is big enough so that you can write your various appointments and various social functions, or something the Lord did for you on that day. They are 16 months long and they start with the Jewish New Year, so that’s why they start with the month of September. It has the Jewish year and the year that we celebrate here in America. It’s in Hebrew, it’s in English.

Sid: My guest Elisabeth Syre is from South Africa. She’s speaking in the Leesburg, Virginia and that’s where I’m interviewing her by way of telephone. Elisabeth you move in a very extraordinary fashion in prophecy. That gift intrigues me because unfortunately many prophets I call jokingly non-prophet because what they’re saying is not from the devil, but it’s not from God. Tell me a prophecy that you prophesied over someone that came to pass. I like to hear profitable prophecies.

Elisabeth: (Laughing) That is a good way of putting it. I do believe that the Bible says in the book of Revelation that the testimony of Jesus is prophecy. Right?

Sid: Right.

Elisabeth: I would never call myself a prophet I’m a servant of the Lord, but suddenly God uses me in those ways. One particular instance that I can remember is that in South Africa where I was ministering with a lot of African pastors who were not open for many things of the Bible and they were discussing with me and said “Please share with us.” I made friends with these pastors but the one pastor was actually very racist in his way. He said “Well I do not believe that any white person could ever clean my house.” Well we had become very great friends so we could be open with one another what he thought and he knew that I wasn’t racist. So I said to him “You know Pastor Russell I believe that God is going to send you a white masa who’s cleaning the house for you. I believe it will be your healing and it will be the healing for this girl.” I had forgotten about that word but exactly 2 months later the telephone rang and from Austria where I minister often a lady phoned me “I’ve put a young lady on the plane it’s Christmas time. She is near suicide and you are able to help her.” She didn’t ask me, she just put her on the plane very sort of bluntly. I said “What am I doing my family is coming over?” I said “What is her name?” She said “Her name is Martha.” I said “Welcome, she can come.” So I phoned Pastor Russell I said “Russell your masa is coming. She’s coming tomorrow morning by plane.” He said “Hallelujah!” It was Christmas time and they made great friends and masa was totally delivered from suicidal attempts and Pastor Russell was healed of all his resentment towards white people. So that is a prophecy that really was profitable. The other one was for a friend of mine in Cape Town, South Africa. They had lost everything, they had been portrayed in a congregation and they came to me and were brought by a friend named Julie. They sat in my living room I didn’t know anything about them and I said “Wow! You have a lot…” the Lord said through me, I believe that it was the Lord speaking and that all their debts would be gone by the end of the year and they would get a call to country with high mountains where they would live in a very large house near a major city and start a Christian center. It would be in a country where there would be snow and there would be like a river flowing down the valley. I said “Well I hardly believe what I am saying,” but they said “Hallelujah! We’ll take it!” Exactly a few months later the head of the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship of Austria came to Cape Town; asked me to setup meetings, which I did. Here was the couple they took him and on the way he prophesied “Come to Austria we need you, Austria needs you.” They packed up everything only with $10 left in their pocket and they came to Austria a couple of years ago. Started there and as they had nothing they just prayed all day. In a little cafeteria they met a Catholic doctor who offered them a big house free of charge and they started a Christian center. At this moment it is one of the biggest congregations in Innsbruck in Austria and these friends are still there. The prophecy was totally true it was to the point it came out. They are very happy there and they are doing much better than in South Africa God really blessed them.

Sid: There are strategic times in people’s lives…

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: …that if they can get a direct word of confirmation it literally changes their whole destiny.

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: This couple you just described do they believe that that prophetic word literally birthed this great congregation?

Elisabeth: Yes. Yes they know it, they know it. They actually know their whole life changed as they moved to Austria. I think they also brought a big miracle to Austria because they have a love for Israel and the whole city of Innsbruck is more open than any other city in Austria for listening to the Jewish voice to what the Lord is saying about Israel.

Sid: And Austria is one of the dark countries from the viewpoint of anti-Semitism, so God in His mercy raised that group. What about angels? Have you ever seen an angel?

Elisabeth: Yes I have had encounters with angels. First of all, when I was travelling one day I travelled from Germany, Denmark to Sweden. On the train, and the train goes right onto a ferry and it’s a very big ferry with a shop and everything in it. I decided to quickly buy some presents for the pastor I would meet in Sweden. So I took my bag and my purse and I went into the tax free shop and bought it and I came back and looked for my train and the train was gone. I was really was very sort of… I didn’t know I felt panic. I said “Lord where is my train?” I asked one of the men on the boat and he said “Well the train already has moved to the station so if you run maybe you’ll see it.” I started running running with my bag and coffee in my hand and eventually I found the train, but the man in the station did not want to open the doors it was all locked up because the train came from the boat, from the ferry. So I decided “This is my train. I have to stand, I have to take this train. It’s the very last train to Sweden and to the meeting and I have to have this train.” So I held onto the handle of the door stood on the little board and I said “Father give me the strength that I can hold on till the next time. Help me Lord to get into this train and nobody would open it.” The train started shouting from one wheel to the next and as I looked up I saw a man dressed in white with eyes looking like coals almost, like fiery coals and waving the hand and saying “Just go down I’ll open the door.” I didn’t hear any language but I saw the eyes and I knew it was fine. I stepped down very deeply onto the rails and it was in a second I was in the train. He said “Follow me” and he even mentioned my name. He said “Follow me Elisabeth.” I followed then he pointed me out to where my backpack was and my Bible was. He said “That’s your place have a wonderful trip. God bless you.” I said “Lord I know him. Do I know this man he looks so different.” So I tried to find a little card or something in my backpack and I wanted to thank, and I walked right through the train there was no person with that attire on. I asked the conductor he said “There is no such a person.” He looked at me quite strangely and I realized that I had just rescued by an angel. Yes and I came in time for my meeting in Sweden. I’ve had situations where people forgot to pick me up from the plane or from the train but I started to pray and say “Hallelujah” and started to pray in a new language. Then suddenly somebody picked me up and said “I’ve been sent to pick you up and take you to this place and when I looked the person was gone. Yes I’ve had encounters with… I believe that they couldn’t have been normal situations…

Sid: According to my notes you have literally heard angels singing. What is that like?

Elisabeth: Oh that is amazing, that is amazing. In Germany in a meeting there were all very people… very skeptical because they are very big minded people. They had invited my to share something in a little meeting like that. But before the meeting a woman that needed badly prayer because she was ill asked me to come into her room. As we were in that room I said “Do you know Jesus?” So she knew Jesus, so I said “Well God wants to fill you with His presence and His glory.” So she went on her knees and she was from Hungary originally. She went onto her knees and she started to say “Lord I don’t know what to say, I don’t know what to say, will you say it?” As she was praying and pouring out her heart suddenly the whole room was filled with metallic sounds which I can’t explain. It was just like a whole waterfall of sounds. I thought maybe there is something happening outside. I looked out of the window and nothing was there. She said “Oh the angels!” she said “Angels are singing!”

Sid: So you both heard it at the same time.

Elisabeth: We both heard it at the same time. Then she started to sing with these angels in a new language. She was so touched she was healed instantaneously, then we went over to the meeting and I said “Oh my goodness it’s the first time I’m here and they won’t understand because you know these people are mind people. Father please protect me send forth your ministering angels because I can’t talk about this in a new group.” I’m very careful. Then suddenly she said “Oh I heard the angels saying ‘I’m healed! I’m healed!’” The people looked very strange I said “Jesus don’t leave me here alone let something happen.” Suddenly the whole room was filled with it, with that same sound.

Sid: Have you ever… out of curiosity smelled the perfume of the Lord?

Elisabeth: Yes I’ve smelled that, I’ve smelled perfume. In Denmark in a meeting I said “The fragrance of the Lord is here” and all over there was fragrance. I’ve seen manna, manna appearing with a pastor in Germany that really loves Israel. He calls himself the Shalom Fellowship. He prays for daily with his whole group…

Sid: Is there a connection with the release of miracles and loving the Jew in Israel?

Elisabeth: Yes! Absolutely you’ve got the point! Yes! That’s what… When we love Israel and we stand with the God of the Bible and we stand up for the land, plus we have total respect for the anointing of the Holy Spirit no matter if we understand it or not. We don’t always have to understand it we just say “Lord we believe with all of our heart in you.” You know what’s happening? Miracles are being released.

Sid: You know I believe miracles are going to be released on tomorrow’s broadcast. Let me read a scripture Mishpocha, Romans 10:14 speaking about the Jewish people. “How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? How should they believe in Him of Whom they’ve not heard? And how should they hear without a preacher? How shall they preach unless they are sent?” You know this show is done a month in advance and I’m about ready to jump on an airplane with my wife to go to Odessa, Ukraine to have meetings. This is becoming so dark this land, so ant-Semitic this may be one of the last chances to do evangelistic meetings to Jewish people. I believe multitudes are going to be saved and they’re going to be red hot for Jesus and go to Israel, then out of Zion the word of the Lord will go forth and the whole thing in the Bible is happening.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is RT Kendall, I’m speaking to him in his home in Key Largo, Florida. RT is the former Senior Minister from Westminster Chapel in London, England. He holds a PhD from Oxford University. But as far as I’m concerned this book I’m holding in my hands is a key to have you change your whole destiny, your whole life. The title “Total Forgiveness” subtitle “When Everything in You Wants to Hold a Grudge, Point a Finger and Remember the Pain God Wants You to Lay It All Aside.” What did Oral Roberts say when he read this book?

RT: Well, I was almost overwhelmed. He said he’s 80 years old he said “It’s one of the best books that he’s read in his whole life and that if he had a choice between a fortune and this book he would choose this book.” Now that’s what he said. What has been so thrilling is to have endorsement of a man like Oral Roberts who’s on one end of the theological spectrum and then D. James Kennedy at the other end.

Sid: Well I’m going to read his quote “This is a book that should be read around the world.” D. James Kennedy.

RT: And then Tony Campolo has just sent in a endorsement that will come in a future edition and I was just thrilled at what he said “This is a book that crosses denominational and theological lines. Because I don’t care if whether you’re a Calvinist or a Charismatic nearly everybody that you’ve run into they’ve had some problem at sometime forgiving somebody.”

Sid: Let me ask you a question before time slips away something when I was just having conversation with John Arnott the pastor from the Toronto Church where I was speaking a few weeks ago and he was telling me about how forgiveness is a key for healing and he told me a story and something just exploded inside of me something I didn’t personally do that I needed to do. And that was before I was a believer and even after I was a believer when I sinned I repented and God completely forgave me and I knew it, however I really was beating myself up I hadn’t forgiven myself.

RT: Hm.

Sid: And I immediately when I found this key if you will I held up these sins that I knew I was forgiven for from the past, I knew that God didn’t remember them anymore and I asked God, I told God “I choose to forgive myself” and I could feel layers coming off of me.

RT: Well I have a whole section in the book “Total Forgiveness” on forgiving yourself.

Sid: Now tell me a couple of keys.

RT: Well the key is realized God wants you to forgive yourself and if God wants you to do it and you don’t forgive yourself you’re in disobedience. And it’s a form of self-righteousness as if you’re going to punish yourself for doing it, He’s not punishing you. What are you trying to do atone for your own sins…

Sid: (Laughing)

RT: For not forgiving yourself? So it’s a selfish thing we think it’s kind of unselfish but it’s the opposite and it’s counter-productive and another point of total forgiveness it’s not total until you have forgiven God, you’ve forgiven them, and you have forgiven yourself.

Sid: Now you know some thing that concerns me is that’s when you just said “Forgiving God.” There are many people that falsely blame God for circumstances that they’ve triggered by their own actions or the devil has done and it’s such a misunderstanding I don’t see how anyone in their right mind could be angry with God it’s a lack of knowledge that causes this.

RT: Well they have to forgive God nonetheless that he let it happen and a lot of people their bitterness is ultimately directed at God Himself they don’t realize it at first.

Sid: You have an acrostic in your Chapter 4 “Playing God.” It is sooo important, explain that.

RT: An acrostic is a word when you spell it it will summarize a premise a major point. For example this acrostic is need n-e-e-d so when you get ready to speak ask will saying this meet the other person’s need so you put it through:

First – Is it necessary?

Second – Will it encourage?

Third – Will it edify?

Fourth – Will it dignify that person?

Need – necessary, encourage, edify, dignify.

And if we can have presence of mind to remember those four things every time we open our mouth: Is it necessary to say this? Is this going to encourage? Is this going to edify? And will it dignify that person? We would say maybe 1/10 of what we might have said and it will help curve our tongue as much as anything I’ve come across. It’s just a little acrostic to say the Lord gave me that I don’t want to push it that hard but it certainly been a blessing to people and I’ve had people come up to me and say “That’s the best thing they’ve ever come across” to help them in their daily lives when they’re getting ready to speak to avoid the unguarded calm action “Will it meet a need in that other person? Is it necessary? Will it encourage? Does it edify and does it dignify that person?

Sid: You many times when I’m speaking I’m praying about the “What do You want me to say Lord?” I’m talking about when I’m speaking publically and then I’ll have a thought about something and then I’ll have an immediate thought “It doesn’t edify.” And I…even though what I saying is true I shouldn’t say it I get checked.

RT: Exactly. Well I think at the end of the day the ultimate proof that you’ve totally forgiven is when you ask the Lord to forgive them and bless them as though they didn’t do anything at all. And when you can say “Father forgive them” and mean it. You know Jesus didn’t say “I forgive you.” He said “Father You forgive them You let them off the hook.”

Sid: In other words when you say “Well I’ll forgive them,” but in our heart we hope God will send down His…

RT: Yeah.

Sid: His lightning on them. (Laughing)

RT: That’s it so when you ask God to do it He…one day it was kind of like the Lord said back to me RT do you really want me to bless them, you want me to bless them as though they didn’t even do anything? And I had to think “Woops hang on…second.” We sometimes say “Lord bless them but we hope He doesn’t.”

Sid: Well the ultimate to me is of course Jesus but the one that I’m thinking of is Steven he’s being stone to death and he saying “Don’t hold this sin against them.” How could he have even done that?

RT: You just touched one of my heroes. The key to the anointing of Steven that shine on his face he looked like an angel.

Sid: Right.

RT: He had totally forgiven those people he had totally forgiven them that’s why he had that anointing. And when they pray for people they say “Lord I just commit these people to you. That’s not good enough God wants us to say “Lord do forgive them, do bless them.” And that’s when they’re set free, we’re set free, we set God free.

Sid: RT we just have a couple of minutes left I want to redeem the time. The most important that the Holy Spirit could present on this subject please tell us.

RT: The way not to grieve the Spirit is never to point the finger. In my own personal life I read Luke 6:37 every day of the year “Do not judge and you will not be judged, do not condemn and you will not be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven.” I read it every day because I want to be sure that every day all day long I do nothing to grieve the Spirit because I just want a greater anointing. And I know that when I speak against people, when I gossip, or when I point the finger the dove the Holy Spirit will flutter away it’s the last thing I want. So the bottom line to keep the anointing and to see the anointing increased it’s a lifestyle of total forgiveness.

Sid: That is the thought, we still have a little time but you know a big one that I notice RT is when someone hurts someone that I love I might take up a greater offense than the person they even hurt.

RT: You know Sid you’re about to open Pandora’s box right at the end of this week but I need to tell you the hardest time that I ever have in forgiving is when they’ve hurt our children. And we’ve seen eyes of our kids hurt I remember one day one Sunday and I looked at the congregation and there was a person that had hurt our daughter I mean hurt her deeply. And I thought “How dare that person come into this church like that.” And it was like the Lord said to me “Wait a minute you’re praying for revival. What if revival were withheld all because you want me to condemn that person?” And I just immediately it took all of grace I could come up with. It was like you know the story of Cory Ten Boone when she saw the man that had been so cruel to her?

Sid: I do but unfortunately we don’t have enough time.

Sid: Hi Sid Roth here with Larry Sparks and Larry has been studying revivals and there is a lot to be learned as far as anything they did we can do. And I believe that we’re so close to the return of Jesus we can even do it better. Tell me some of the things that you’ve learned about studying previous revivals.

Larry: Well first thing is I immediately I think of the Welsh revival there’s a man named Evan Roberts. This man was desperate for God. He was hungry to seek God he was hungry to see God move in his city and his nation in a powerful way. And the thing that we learn from Evan Roberts is that there is a need for perseverance. You know one thing that I read that he wrote is that “I said to myself I will have the Spirit,” and through all weathers and despite all difficulties I went to the meetings. He was constantly in atmosphere and environments where the Holy Spirit was moving he was constantly doing what he could to keep himself hungry. He said…and this is what gets me he said “For 10 or 11 years I have prayed for revival. I could sit up all night to read or talk about revivals it was the Spirit who moved me to think about revival for 10 or 11 years. Now I’m not saying that that’s always the case where we have to pray for 10 or 11 years but Evan Roberts tells us that there is perseverance that is needed to experience the breakthrough. As a result I believe that the Welsh revival, this man carried he prayed for this for 11 years and he saw over 11,000 people come to know Jesus.

Sid: But what about someone like Katherine Kuhlman what did you learn from her?

Larry: I learned from Katherine Kuhlman that there’s always more and that’s interesting to think because Katherine Kuhlman was somebody I wish I had known because here’s this lady who walked in unusual miracle healing anointing. I mean her healings here I go on YouTube I go on the computer and I watch them and her demeanor and her kindness and compassion it just it’s just amazing. And the miracles would just breakout in the presence of God. But I’ll never forget I watched her talk to the Student Body at Oral Roberts University and the first thing she said this to me was the secret of her ministry. The first thing she said as she opened in prayer is she said “God there’s no one here that’s hungrier for more than me.” And I thought to myself Katherine wait a minute your hungry for more, you’re seeing things that we desire to see, you’re seeing things these amazing miracles just popping left and right in those services, in those meetings and yet here she was saying “God there’s no one hungrier for more than me.” So how does that translate, what does that mean? It means that the God that lives inside of us is enormous He is huge, He is great! And Katherine recognized this Katherine knew this that the Spirit of God who lived inside of her was capable was capable of accomplishing anything. And she had stepped into a certain measure of anointing, of power, or miracles but she wasn’t satisfied she was wanting more. And Sid I believe there’s some listeners who are tuning and there’s a couple of categories and I think the Lord really wants to minister to just based on that word, just based on that word from Kathryn back in the 1970’s for those of you who feel like “You know what I’ve never experienced the filling of the Holy Spirit, I’ve never been filled with the Spirit, I believe in Jesus He’s my Savior but I’ve never encountered God. I’ve never encountered God like you’re talking about I believe the Holy Spirit wants to fill you. And I believe that those that have been filled with the Holy Spirit and maybe you’ve spoken in tongues, maybe you operated in prophecy, or gifts of the Spirit and I believe that there’s more. In the Book of Hebrews it talks about the elementary things of the faith has repentance and baptisms, baptism plural. And I believe that there are multiple baptisms we can experience in the Spirit. Yes we get certain gifts but I believe that there are so much more that we can walk in.

Sid: Larry tell me a contemporary someone now that is in the forefront of revival and what you learned from that person.

Larry: One person I actually gotten to spend a good amount of time with is Randy Clark and some of you may know Randy Clark as the evangelist God used to really help to ignite the Toronto Renewal Blessing. God’s used him in a powerful way in healing and teaching other people in activating them in healing ministry. What I’ve seen in Randy is 2 qualities 2 keys to sustaining a life of revival. We all want revival we all want the move of God we all want to experience God. And God wants to touch you but I also want to encourage you God wants to transform you and in Randy’s life I see these 2 keys that were humility and hunger. Now what does that look like? Humility recognizes that there’s so much more of God that I’m presently experiencing. And Randy was a leader he was a pastor, he was somebody as leaders and pastors it’s easy for us to think “Well even though deep down I’m hungry for God I don’t want to show it in front of my people, I don’t want that to be a sign of weakness no that’s the greatest strength because when you lead a church or ministry or people or Bible study and you’re hungry you’re leading them into the same place that you’re going. And that’s what happened with Randy he got hungry he had these dramatic encounters with God starting in 1984 where everything for him and his church changed. He had an impartation of healing and then his church became a place where God would move for moving. He had in 1989 he had another encounter and then God used him in a greater measure with words of knowledge and healing. And then finally I believe it was 1993 the Lord touched him in a very different way each encounter was unique and different but each encounter made him want more. And there was that humility that said “God I know that there’s more” and hunger which was that driving force that caused Randy to go to different places to interact with different people who were experiencing the move of God he was not to a point of arrogance to where he thought “I don’t need to go somewhere if God’s going to touch me He’s going to touch me wherever I am. Now sometimes we need to go somewhere because it demonstrates true desperation and hunger for God.

Sid: I’m feeling a presence of God and one of the things people say about when they read your book even though it’s brand new we’ve read the manuscript before it became a book that it stirs them up to such hunger for God. I can’t think of a more important thing. So would you pray for people right now that they’d be stirred up, that they’d be hungry for God?

Larry: Yes, yes. Father we thank You that there is more, thank You that every time that we go to the Bible and we look at Jesus we see that there’s more and we are just discontent living where we are. It’s not condemnation we don’t feel bad about where we are we get excited because we know wow God there’s so much more; so I pray for those that feel “You know Larry I want to be filled with the Holy Spirit right now.” I pray in the name of Jesus the people that are listening who desire to be filled for the first time ever Holy Spirit touch them from the crown of their heads to the soles of their feet fill them to overflowing, give them just a mighty baptism in Your Spirit. And I pray that it’ll be a deep and profound encounter God that they will live out of that they will be able to live their life out of that. And that God that it’ll be such a memorable moment that they will always have it as a reference point in their life. And for those you that think to themselves “You know what I’ve been filled with the Spirit in the past I’ve had an experience, I’ve been baptized in the Spirit but there’s something inside me that wants more; I’m not just content to just having this one gift or doing this other thing; I’m not content to wear a spiritual merit badge saying well I was baptized in the Holy Spirit now what?” The now what Paul says “Be filled with the Holy Spirit.” And the Greek means to be ever filled, there’s no end the increase of His government no end of the increase of how much Spirit of God can fill you in the earth there’s no end. So right now I pray for those of you who either you’re hungry for another touch or you’re just on fire and your just saying “You know what I’ll take as much more as God wants to give me.” Holy spirit I just ask You to release that in peoples rooms, in peoples cars wherever they’re listing God give them a deep and profound encounter God and bring them to that place of more or more; God that it just wouldn’t be a moment it just wouldn’t be an encounter and experience I pray for sustained measurable results that they would actually see life change on a continuous everyday basis because of these encounters that we’re praying for right now in Jesus Name.

Sid: …After all of these years and having such a hunger for God how do you still have a hunger for God?

Larry: I do that by just doing some very practical things and I’ve mentioned them but I have seasons and times when I feel my faith is dry I remind myself of what He’s done I listen to testimonies I watch testimonies, I read revival books, I crave stories about what God has done and what God is doing. Maybe some of the most powerful ones is I actually remind myself of my own encounters that I’ve had with God and just remind myself. And I ask Him I ask the Lord to take me back to that moment like smell the smells and hear the sounds and bring me back to that moment of encounter and remind me how powerful it was. Remind me truly of what I have living inside of me.

Sid: Is this the generation that is going to see the greatest revival the world has ever seen?

Larry: I believe it is, I believe it is because this generation…so many people look at this generation and say “It’s a fearless generation, it’s a reckless generation.” It’s a generation that I believe is wired to crave the supernatural and the problem is that if we as the church don’t give them the Biblical foundation of walking in the supernatural they are going to look for it somewhere else and we cannot…that must be illegal on our watch they cannot go to the New Age, they cannot go to the occult, they can’t go to witchcraft or what Hollywood has and all of the different places because the supernatural should be natural to every single Christian.

Sid: You heard yesterday how excited I was at the Days of Elijah Celebration, how about Dr. Michael Brown. He speaks reads or writes 12 Semitic languages a true scholar but deep in the Spirit. I want you to hear his heart in reference to the history, the sad history of what many call Christian anti-Semitism.

Dr. Michael Brown: How is it that in our day… let me read you something. In our day this last year June of last year a number of world Christian leaders representing major denominations wrote a letter listen to this:

June 2001 Christian Leaders representing church representatives ranging from Catholic to American Baptist, Anglican, to United Methodist, to reform church of America, to African Methodist Episcopal, to Evangelical Lutheran to, Korean Presbyterians, to Greek Orthodox, to Mennonite, to Moravian, to National Council of Churches USA wrote to Secretary of State Koln Powell and urged him not to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capitol at this time.

How in the world? “We tremble to consider the destructive consequences that would follow the premature moving as called for by Congress of the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.”

Just got this by email a few days ago reported in the Washington Post July 23. Some Christian leaders wrote to President Bush among them professors from Wheaton College some of the finest Christian Schools in America. Evangelical leaders, leaders of prison fellowship, I’m talking about godly evangelical men and women, not just Christians in name only but people who would be well know the editor of the most major Christian magazine in the world. They wrote to President Bush “The American Evangelical Community is not a monolithic block and full and firm support of the present Israel policy.” They said prayly “Don’t get the idea Mr. President that all Evangelicals stand with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and endorse Israel all the time; and you need to work much more on behalf of the Palestinians and don’t show such favoritism to Israel.”

What in the world is going on? I’m going to explain it in a little while but I want you to feel the weight of it and the reality of it because this is truth and you can’t just stick your head in the sand and say it didn’t happen.

About 10 years ago a Christian group asked me to come into Yale University and ask me to do an outreach and we felt to come in at a different angle and the angle was this. We asked the question, why is there anti-Semitism all around the world, what are the roots of it in history and today? And our answer was there is a diabolical demonic a devilish plot to destroy the Jews because the Jews special calling and the Messiahship of Jesus. That was the angle and we felt from the Lord to do that.

I got up and I lectured for about an hour and then we took questions maybe we had 70 or 80 people there but 30 or 40 of them were non-believing Jews mainly students at Yale. And one by one for about an hour and 3/4s they raised questions to try to refute my argument. One after another tried to come at it from every angle and in the end they ran out of arguments. One religious Jew came up to me and said “I’ve never seen the opposition so graciously dismantled.” It wasn’t that I was so brilliant it was that there’s something going on here. Think about it for a minute. Why is it that communist, who are atheist, have been known for Jew hatred, that the fascias, the Nazi’s who are enemies of the communist were Jew haters? Why is it that Islam is filled with hatred of the Jewish people and produces what we see today with suicide bombers blowing Jews up in the name of Allah?   How do you get that?

You can go to a country like Japan most Japan most Japanese people have never met a Jew in their lives and there has been bestselling books written in Japan during times of economic challenge in recent years saying that the problem in Japan is the economy is the fault of the Jew. And in the Middle Ages when people are dying of the black-death Jews were blamed and they said “They poisoned the wells.” They were slaughtered those that didn’t die were then slaughtered.

How is it you have Jew hatred in Islam and communism? How is it you have white supremacist in America, Ku Klux Klan type of people. White supremacy filled with racism and black supremacy who hate whites and they both hate each other but they have one thing in common they also hate the Jews and honor Adolf Hitler.

Then the same spirit, listen look at the media if you go around the world and watch CNN International, or BBC World News, or Star News International you get outside of America it’s even worse than in our country. You know what they refer to when a Palestinian blows himself up and kills children, mothers and young people, elderly people. You know what they call it? So called terrorism! The Palestinians who we pray for and love and while she’s saved and are friends of ours and involved in reaching out to them with the Good News of Yeshua. But here they are singing and dancing in the streets after 911 it’s a great day of celebration. And Israel calls for National Day of Mourning and the media sympathy is its Israel’s fault that 911 even happened.

How in the world is it? Why the intensity of the hatred and how did it even creep in among God’s people? There’s a reason for this, there’s something diabolical, there’s something demonic, there’s something larger going on! And none of the simple answers work, let me tell you first what happened in the church, and let me tell you why spiritually this is going on and then in the end bring you some encouragement.

Look down in Romans 11. Paul is speaking to Gentile believers and he calls them Gentiles it’s not an insult. But see Paul was dealing with the problem. You know after all the Jews were the favorite sons and daughters that got to sit and feast at the table now they’re outside and we’re enjoying the feasts. What are you going to begin to think? Their out, we’re in, their old, we’re new we have replaced them! They are no longer important they forfeited their role and we have now taken over. So Paul twice in the chapter warns them the end of verse 20 “Do not be arrogant but be afraid.” Then verse 25 “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mysteries brothers so that you may not be conceited.” This is what happened. Ignorance brought about insecurity and insecurity brought about arrogance and turned into Jew hatred even in the church or at least the so called church.

What was the mystery? Paul said “Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentles come in.” In other words not all Jews have been hardened there is still a remnant it’s only in part and it is not for all time. In the end after this vast harvest of Gentiles has come in there will be a softening of Jewish hearts and a turning back of Jewish people to the Messiah. So the hardening is not forever and the hardening is not complete. In other words God is not finished with Israel, God has not replaced Israel. The Church is not the new Israel that has displaced the old.

An editor of a Christian publisher emailed me the other day we worked with him through the years and he said “Mike I just got a proposal by so and so.” I knew the man’s name he’s a fine Christian author, he’s written some excellent pieces. He said “Mike would you look at this proposal this is in your area it’s on the missing piece of prophecy.” I said “I’ll do my guest to get on it I’m busy I have other commitments but I’ll do my best to get on it and get back to you.” I was hoping to do so in a few days but I began to glance at the proposal within a couple of minutes I wrote him back “Run from this like the plague!” The whole thing was how the church has a misunderstanding of Israel and how the church stands with modern political Israel has nothing to do with end-time restoring Israel instead we need to stay with the Palestinians. And what happened was this man of compassion and care went over saw hardship suffering in midst of the Palestinian people didn’t understand the history of it, didn’t understand that has been a choice by the Arab world to leave them as a sore spot to make Israel look bad; it’s been a determined choice it never happened like that. Most Palestinian suffering is not the problem of Israel it’s the problem of the Arab world. I deal with that in “Our Hands are Stained with Blood” and nothing has changed with that within the last 10 years and just gotten worse. Of course we have compassion and pity on these people, but I couldn’t believe this guy too got it wrong. And now he’s got a burden to write about it. I’m not a alarmist trust me I don’t get all worked up.

But when the book came out in 1988 “Eighty-eight Reasons Why Jesus is Coming in 1988” I think He was coming back in September 12^th or something. Somebody said to me “Mike are you going to read the book?” I said “Yeah on September 13.” I don’t really care about the sensationalistic stuff and all of this but I’m telling you something is going on that is very disturbing and very distressing. And if you know history the question is why should we be the exception to the rule? Why should America hang on and do what other nations have not done? It’s very tenuous right now.

I tremble sometimes when I see what goes on in the White House you think that will affect the entire nation that will affect the world.

Sid: Will pick up right here on tomorrow broadcast.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to walk in supernatural signs and wonders and I have just the man that God’s raised up on the telephone. I am speaking to Rick Taylor he is the head of the Healing Rooms of Santa Maria Valley, California where there has been a spectacular outbreak of the miraculous. Rick tells me that most people that have cancer when they go there they leave healed. Many of them have to go many times but his staff does not give up. As I understand it you encourage people, well some people feel that it’s a lack of faith if I keep going but you don’t look at it that way do you?

Rick: Well what we do we tell people we’ll contend for your healing and even back in John G. Lakes day you know John Lake contended and there’s stories of people that came 30 times to his healing rooms and on the 30^th time they got healed.

Sid: Now for those that are not familiar with John G. Lake why don’t you briefly tell us about his ministry?

Rick: Well yeah John Lake about 85 years ago had healing rooms in Spokane, Washington and during that time a 5 year period there were over 100,000 documented healings that took place in the city of Spokane.

Sid: Is it true that the doctors were upset with him?

Rick: Well you know the doctors did not like John Lake and the reason why is because they were going bankrupt.

Sid: (Laughing)

Rick: So many people were getting healed that it literally shutdown the medical industry in the city. And so they did not like John Lake.

Sid: Now he had…now this John Lake had a vision that the healing rooms would be spread throughout everywhere in the world didn’t he?

Rick: That was his vision, yes his vision was to see every city in the United States having a healing room and then eventually go around the world. Now he never saw that in his lifetime. What the Lord showed me is that you know sometimes you know it’s like a seed. A vision is like a seed it has to die and then go into the ground and it’s just the right time God perfect timing He comes and waters that seed and then that seed begins to sprout and grow and begins to produce fruit. And that’s what we’re seeing now 85 years later we’re seeing these healing rooms spring up all over the United States and even going around the world. We have in Germany alone we go there and visit every year they want to start 30 healing rooms in Germany alone.

Sid: Now to me it’s so spectacular because I hate this evil disease called cancer that most people with cancer they go to your healing rooms are being healed. Tell me about one.

Rick: Well we have a wonderful one I want to talk about a woman her name is Marty from Sacramento. She was from a background the church that taught her healing was not for today. She actually thought she was sick for God’s glory and I had to tell he “you know what “God is not gloried when we we’re sick, He’s gloried when we’re healed.” But she was telling me she had a brain cancer, and brain tumors and also spinal cancer and tumors. Doctors gave her anywhere from 3 to 6 months to live, gave her no hope. They said “We might be able to prolong a few months if we give her radical surgery which would have made her quadriplegic. She opted not to do that, she came actually to one of our healing seminars. As she listened to us for a day and half talking about the healing work and how God it is God’s will to heal. Not only is He able but He’s willing to heal. And as we began to unfold the truth you know that Jesus said “You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.” And she began to hear the truth through the scripture Old and New Testament her mind set changed. And as our team was praying for her at the end of the seminar she said she felt like “Somebody lifted off the top of her skull and began to pour in room-temperature milk.” And she said “She felt that milk going down her brain, down her neck into her arm, down her torso all the way down into her feet. And she said “It was the most amazing feeling that she’s ever experienced; she said “This feeling lasted for about an hour and she just knew God was healing her. Well she made an appointment to go back and see her doctor, her doctor thoroughly checked her out and he cannot find a single cancer cell or tumor in her body anywhere. The doctor said “You know what you’re a miracle woman I can’t explain this and she told him it was Jesus, Jesus healed me.”

Sid: Rick put your wife Lori on I’d like to talk to her for a moment. I’m speaking to Lori Taylor Lori I want you to tell me a resent healing involving cancer that you’re aware of in your healing room.

Lori: Okay I had a woman named Mary she had breast cancer and it had gone into her liver. The doctor gave her 3 months to live and she’s been coming to the healing rooms for a few months now and feeling every time she comes that God does something. And now it’s been several months and it’s completely healed. And we prayed for her on Tuesday and she said “She just wanted to come in one last time and just have the finishing touches” and she’s just amazed she’s a Catholic woman. And it’s just wonderful to see God transforming life like that.

Sid: Let me speak to your husband one more time.

Lori: Okay.

Sid: Rick what about some other types of diseases like say Crones disease?

Rick: We had a woman named Jackie came to our San Jose training who had Crones disease. And I don’t know if you know what Crones is but it’s debilitating it…she could not walk any more. With a cane and somebody assisting her she can walk short distances. It’s also devastated her intestines and her digestive system.

Sid: Is there any cure for Crones disease?

Rick: Absolutely nothing you can do for Crones.

Sid: Hm.

Rick: And she could only eat very small portions of certain foods that were very bland. But anyway as the word was going out the healing word was going out something hit her and she began to feel better. And at the end of the training she walked up to me and said “Boy I could barely walk before with assistance but look I’m walking with this cane and sometimes I don’t even have to use this cane.” Well we prayed for her and then we went to lunch. Now this lady actually went to lunch with us and we went to a Chinese restaurant and we all ordered certain dishes and we had in the middle all of the different dishes where people would help themselves. All of a sudden this woman’s appetite came back after 30 years and she ate 4 plates of spicy Chinese food. God completely healed her digestive system.

Sid: Now that’s as acid a test that I know!

Rick: Yeah (Laughing) and then the strength started increasing in her body she was getting better and better and better as each minute was going on. Well we were walking out of the restaurant downtown San Jose and in the parking lot I hear a woman not walking but running; saying “look at me, look at me.” And as I turned around and looked it was Jackie she was running with her arms in the air tears streaming down her face she got to me she started jumping up and down and dancing. God completely, completely healed her, restored her she’s completely healed of Crones disease.

Sid: Tell me about that man that he was in his early 70’s and the doctors sent him home to die because he had bone cancer that was spread throughout his entire body.

Rick: Well it’s true the doctors said “There’s nothing else we can do for you you have 2 weeks to live” and he was in tremendous pain even though he was on morphine. His wife heard about us and they came to us and a team began to pray for this man. Now this man describes like it was like this, he was so intense he couldn’t stand it but as the team began to pray he felt it it started at his feet. The pain left his feet and he felt like something rolling through his body and all of a sudden up to his knees was pain free. And up to his hips and then actually all of the pain rolled out of his head and he was completely completely pain free. And that’s all we knew; all we knew was that God took his pain away which we were so thankful for. Two weeks later this man was supposed to be dead he drives himself up to our healing room by himself walks into my office dressed normally and perfectly. He said “Rick I have not had any pain since you guys prayed for me, I’ve got 90% of my strength back and I’m back at work and I’m playing golf with my buddies.”

Sid: And you know what is so exciting to me if God used you Rick to lay hands on the sick and they were healed I would be extremely excited, however I believe that you’re a fore-runner of the next and the greatest move of God’s Spirit on planet earth because it’s not going to be a superstar revival and healings, it’s so transferable. For instance you were telling he about this pastor from Isabella, California you laid hands on him or prayed for him and what happened?

Rick: Yes, well he came to us last week and he observed and then our team prayed impartation on him. And it is a transferable anointing God wants to see people healed more than we want to see them healed and we love to give it away. My favorite part of the ministry is going out and taking it and giving it away.

Sid: Listen you prayed for me as you may recall when we did a television show together and in the airport coming home I saw a woman walking with a cane next to me. I walked up and I said “Mind if I pray for you, lots of people are getting healed.” And she said “Please.” And I did and she was instantly healed it is a transferable anointing.

Rick: Wow, that’s amazing.

Sid: So what happened in that church is Isabella?

Rick: Well this pastor went back to his church and began to tell them what he experienced and then he invited those who needed healing to come forward and miracles broke out in his church. And ever since now he’s had meetings and midweek meetings also and people are getting healed and he’s never seen healing in this church.

Sid: Can you picture what’s going to happen when an army of people in this city take this healing anointing out in the highways and byways where it’s meant to be rather where it’s meant to be rather than the four walls of the church?

Rick: That’s so key to what God’s about to do. You know most of Jesus’ miracles were in the streets. And I tell my team “You know what God is bigger than any 4 walls of any church or any ministry and we’re seeing miracles here in Santa Maria in the shopping centers, in the restaurants, in the bank. We’re seeing them in Lens Crafters, in grocery stores, or our team is going out and just like you said laid hands on the sick their looking for them and their getting healed.

Sid: Do you find that the more people pray the greater the results they see.

Rick: You bet. That’s right…

Sid: We’re out of time.

Sid: Hello this is Sid Roth here welcome to Mashuga for Yeshua. Mashuga is a Hebrew word it means crazy for Yeshua for Jesus. And you may say “Well Sid you’re crazy for Jesus.” And I’ll say to you what are you crazy for? Everyone’s crazy for something I just happen to be crazy for Jesus. I am Mashuga for Yeshua.” My guest Rick Renner he’s got to be more Mashuga than me he picks up his whole family and he moves to Russia and this was before Rick this was before communism was down is that correct?

Rick: Oh yes communism was to rule and king at that moment.

Sid: And I remember going there before communism was down and I remember all of the security I had to go through and long lines in the stores and how awful those hotels were. How could you have done that to your family Rick? (Laughing)

Rick: You know Sid with the first time I went to the Soviet Union I just feel in love with it. When I saw those red flags and the sickle and the hammer and the soldiers carrying their machine guns something in me just woke up and said “This is where you’re supposed to be.” It had to the grace of God.

Sid: You told me that you really were pushed over, so to speak, when you were teaching in a Bible School in the former Soviet Union and God spoke to you. Tell me about that.

Rick: It was the first above ground Bible School in the Soviet Union. There was about 200 students and I did not want to go there. I had grown up in a family we had 5 missionaries and I said “Being a missionary is something I’m never going to be.” And someone really kind of guilted me into going on this mission trip and I found myself saying “Yes.” So I ended up on this airplane landing in the Soviet Union, next thing I knew checking into a hotel where there were cockroaches and rats and…

Sid: It must have been the same hotel I was at (Laughing).

Rick: I mean the Soviet Union had just fallen apart.

Sid: It was awful and by the way I did the same awful thing you did I took my wife I didn’t know what we were walking into. I did one of the first Jewish…probably the first Jewish outreach in the former Soviet Union and I didn’t know how bad it was and I took my wife there. Do you know there was so many cockroaches and bugs and everything else you could imagine in the hotel rooms that we had to move our bed into the halls because that was safer than the rooms.

Rick: That sounds like a Soviet hotel.

Sid: Okay so you forced yourself you’re speaking and what happens?

Rick: I stood up and I opened my Bible and when I opened my Bible the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “Welcome to you to your new home.” And I literally was just stunned by what I heard and I thought “What?!” And the Holy Spirit repeated to me the second time “Welcome to your new home.” And that hour that I taught the whole hour that I looked into the eyes of those students I kept thinking “This is my new home, these are my new people.” And Sid God absolutely transferred a love for the Soviet people deep into my heart. And do you know when my family finally made the big move it took a little while for me to get my family there but within a year we were there. And when we got off the airplane came down those steps from the plane of course there were Soviet soldiers back in those days standing there with a machine guns and it was dark. But my entire family got on our knees right on the tar mat right on the bottom of the airplane and we dedicated ourselves to this land and we kissed the ground and we asked God to put the Soviet Union into our heart. And we just didn’t know how deep it was going to be put into our heart. Now we’re still there and that was way back in 1991.

Sid: Now how many children do you have?

Rick: We have 3 sons.

Sid: Okay and how old were they when you came?

Rick: Joel tuned 2 that week, and I think Philip was 6 and Paul was 8 and so they were young. And moving your family to the Soviet Union was not something were doing back in those days. And I can tell you Sid that there are people who came but as far as I know were the only ones that stayed. We don’t know another missions family who has been in Russia as long as we have, we don’t know anyone. We watched history change right in front of our eyes.

Sid: I’m sure but all of these years later since the early 90’s you have 400 churches that you’re an apostle over. You have a television network, how did you get into television?

Rick: Well television started in the very beginning and I preached at a…I preached in a big event in the city of Regolatsia and the event was broadcast and my wife and I were watching the broadcast and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “Now I’m going to tell you why I really brought you here.” You know sometimes God gets you in a direction and doesn’t tell you the full story until you’re in route.

Sid: I understand.

Rick: Well now we were there and the Holy Spirit said “Now I’m going to tell you why I really brought you here I want you to take Sunday School to the people of the Soviet Union on television.” And so I just begin to do…

Sid: You know the Holy Spirit’s brilliant what a great idea (Laughing.)

Rick: You know they didn’t know the Bible but they were absolutely open hearted to learn and the Soviet Union has collapsed and everything is just raging out of control a time of craziness and people were hungry for answers. And at that particular moment they wanted to hear what Americans had to say. So I began to travel all over the Soviet Union and we began to develop a network of stations that have been with us all of these years. And we broadcast all over the former Soviet Union.

Sid: As from what I understand you were probably one of the first Christian networks in the Soviet Union.

Rick: I believe that we were the first actually and it’s been such an honor that we’ve been able to broadcast for all of these years that stated in 1992.

Sid: Okay I need you to help me out I am really in lack of better words in awe of the gifting God has given you. I’ve been reading your book “Dressed to Kill.” I love the subtitle before the title “You Don’t Have to Take It Anymore Because You Are Dressed to Kill.” Since I brought that up what does that…briefly what does that mean?

Rick: It really has to do with putting on the whole armor of God. And you know Paul’s pretty specific in Ephesians chapter 6 about “Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.” And God has provided this wonderful weaponry for us and if we will wear that weaponry and if we will walk in that weaponry it enables us to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Sid: You know I want to let people understand what I’m talking about: #1 you are a very very anointed Bible teacher. #2 You have a handle on the Greek as few people I have ever heard. And I want you to kind of illustrate this by where it talks about the armor or God. It’s Ephesians chapter 6 in the 10^th verse it says “Finally be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.” Explain the Greek in that because what you did with that one sentence it would be enough food for the average Christian for a month.

Rick: Thank you you know I studied Greek in the university so it’s a very serious thing with me. But when Paul says “Finally my brethren” that word finally is totaloipon in Greek. It means “now to the rest of the matter.” And in fact when you take the whole book of Ephesians which is filled with theological subjects you come to the very end where Paul uses this word totaloipon the word finally, in some documents it would have been translated “Now to the last and most important matter at hand.”

Sid: That does make a difference you know when you say that it really grabs your attention rather than “Finally” you know that’s just like an after-thought but go ahead.

Rick: I mean when you consider Ephesians is filled with the eternal plan of God it’s teaching on the grace of God, salvation, family matters, husband and wife relationships. But when you come to the end that word finally is almost the equivalent of if you’re not going to hang on to anything else that I’ve said to you in this letter I’ve saved this to the end so that this will stand supreme in your mind “Finally the most important matter at hand my brethren be strong in the Lord.” And then Paul begins his text on spiritual warfare it’s very powerful.

Sid: But let’s just go down a couple more words “Finally be strong in the Lord.” Tell me about the word strong.

Rick: That word strong is the “Enduo” that’s a compound of two words the word in and the word duo which is the word dunamis the word power. And that word strong describes the specific kind of power that is placed to be put in something. In other words this not just a free floating power that’s floating through the air but this is a power that’s designed to be placed into some kind of receptacle. In this particular case the Holy Spirit was talking to us you and I are the receptacles especially made to be the containers of this special power. And the Greek that is used describes a power that flows in and gives an inner strengthening. And it is a command and so this is not an option it is something that we are commanded to receive. “Be strong in the Lord, receive an infilling of the Spirit which makes you strong.” And when Paul says “In the Lord and in the power of His might” it’s really describing about the mighty miraculous power of God.

Sid: I’ll tell you when I just read your teaching on one line from Ephesians I mean I felt like I read the New Testament for the first time. That depth makes such a difference in our comprehension Rick, I know that you know that, but most people you know they read that one line in the English and they miss most of what God’s trying to communicate.

Rick: You know the Greek language was fashioned by God I believe in a special way and the Holy Spirit choice it for the New Testament because it is so full. And so when I teach for instance in “Dressed to Kill” I really don’t teach verse by verse I teach word by word. Every single word is like a whole illustrated sermon and it just opens up. David prayed in Psalm 119 and said “Open my eyes to see wondrous things to behold. And I believe that when you study the Greek New Testament God opens the eyes to see things that are just wondrous.

Sid: Okay 1980 you’re a student, you’re in college, you’re home, you’re praying and you have an angelic visitation. Was that your first angelic visitation?

Rick: Yes it was and it took me completely off guard.

Sid: Tell me about it.

Rick: I was at home at the time and I had just laid down on my couch and Sid I suddenly felt a presence in the room. I’m sure that you had experiences where you feel something but you don’t know who it is or you don’t know where they are. I felt a presence in that room. And I sat straight up on the couch, reached to my right, turned on the lamp and within seconds standing in front of me a man materialized. When he materialized there was such a peace that came with it he was standing I would say that he was standing 5 to 6 feet in front of me. And when I looked into his eyes I’ve never seen eyes like that you could look into those eyes forever they were so deep. And he…I thought to myself “Who is this man?” Now I thought that and he never opened his mouth but he answered me it was thought to thought communication. And he said “I am from the presence of the Lord.” And I understood that this was an angel and he stood there and he began to communicate with me 3 things about my life and about my future. It was a very formative stage of my life and so of course this has had a great impact on my life. And I’ve only rarely shared this experience.

Sid: What did he tell you about your future?

Rick: Well the first thing he told…well the first thing he did was he held up his hands and in between his hands it looked like he was holding a parchment or a text. And I understood that it was the words of “1 Peter 1 where God talks about sojourners and those who had experienced difficulty in life.” And it was like those words left his hands and entered into me. And when they entered into me they filled my chest these words about being a sojourner and about being with people who have suffered difficulty for their faith. Then he raised his hands again and it was in between his hands he held the words Isaiah 53 where the Bible talks about the suffering Savior. And the words of that entered into me and I understood again that the sufferings of Christ and the people who have suffered. Then Sid it was like the whole room filled with a map. And this map began to violently shake.

Sid: What was the map of?

Rick: It was a map of the world.

Sid: Okay.

Rick: Yeah I could see the whole world and this visitor said to me that “There’s going to be earthshaking events that are going to take place geographically in your life.” And I understood that God was giving me a ministry which was going to reach out to people who had traveled and that my life would be a sojourning ministry that living in America probably was not going to be my destiny. I didn’t understand exactly what it would be but I understood that it would be a sojourning ministry and that God was calling me to minister to a people who had suffered and that we would see earth shaking events happen during our life and would live in a part of world where there would be monumental changes. And just as soon as he appeared he disappeared. And I found myself sitting on that couch in that room just pondering what had just happened to me. It was really life changing experience.

Sid: You know before we went on the air we were talking about your belief in end times based on your knowledge of the Greek and spending a lifetime studying the scriptures and loving the scriptures the way you do. And you told me that you really feel, and you distinguish between last days and the last of the last days. I’ve often wondered when I read the book of Hebrews and it starts out “In these last days” and I thought “Boy they sure missed it.” Comment on the difference between the last days and the last of the last days.

Rick: Well the last days is a period that began on Pentecost at 9:00 in the morning. I mean God is very specific on His calendar. When Peter stood up and said “These are not drunken as you supposed seeing that it’s the 9^th hour of the day this is that what was prophesied by the Prophet Joel that I will pour out My Spirit in the last days.” And that marked a period a period which some people called “The Church Age” other people call it the age of grace. But the Bible calls it “The last days” and we have literally been living in that time period for 2000 years. And so when people get skeptical or maybe they even get a little sarcastic and they “Oh the last days we’ve been living in the last days for 2000 years.” That’s exactly right it’s been about a 2000 year time period. But when you talk about the last of the last days the Bible is very clear in 2^nd Timothy chapter 3 in verse 1 where it talks about…

Sid: I’ll tell you what when we come back from the break I want to pick up right there because most believers I know realize we are in the last of the last days and I want you to explain that from the Greek. And everyone wants to understand this as best as they can. And that’s why we asked you to put together a 4 CD series called “Prophetic End Time Alert” in which you teach with your amazing gift of teaching and understanding the Greek. I mean you even told me for most of your life you were you really didn’t care about the rapture you believed in it but you felt that’s not something you can really know in this life but recently God has shown you from the Greek that you are 100% convinced of the pre-trib rapture. And you say and I agree it’s about ready to happen! But your book “Dressed to Kill” it says “You don’t have to take it anymore because your dressed to kill. A biblical approach to spiritual warfare and armor now most people say “Well biblical approach to warfare I don’t want that.” What would you say to them?

Rick: I would just say you’re going to just have the fight of your life if you don’t learn how to put on this… this armor this armor is designed to help you so that you can stand against the wiles of the devil. And whether you like it or not you’re going to have a conflict with the devil at some point in your life and you can either be prepared for it or you can be unprepared for it.

Sid: My understanding is that if you’re right and I’m right then the return of the Messiah is eminent everything intensifies.

Rick: And it’s a time for people to know how to put on the whole armor of God.

Sid: Now have you had many people give you feedback of the difference it made in their life by reading this book.

Rick: Ah Sid there have been 100’s of 1000’s of people that bought this book it’s in multiple languages around the world. And people have used it in Bible schools, in study groups, it is. Well I’ll just tell you Kenneth Hagen said that “It should be the classic on spiritual warfare” and laid it on his pulpit and taught from it word by word. And…

Sid: I can understand why he or anyone would do that. I can’t understand anyone that hasn’t read this book because he we are in the last of the last days, things are not getting better people take a look open your eyes. And the devil knows his time is short and I’m going to tell you something if you will prepare yourself all the devil can do is blow air at you. I’m telling you, you don’t have to take it anymore because when you are dressed in the armor of God and Rick you have marvelous full color illustrations of what Paul observed while he was in prison what that armor looked like most Christians don’t have a clue what it looked like. But more important than that from the Greek how to really put that armor on and stand when you’ve done everything else stand as you just explained as a vessel filled with the power of God. And devil you watch out when we come back I want to hear a bit about your understanding of end times.

Sid: Remember I told you on yesterday’s broadcast that we were going to talk about an amazing sign and wonder. And it involves the shofar, the ram’s horn, a very unusual Biblical instrument. My guest Jim Barbarossa, I’m speaking to him at his home in Valparaiso, Indiana. And we found out of yesterday’s broadcast that he had a very rare blood disorder a form of Leukemia; he was sent home to die. And to make a long story short he not only came to the Lord but he heard a voice that was almost audible that said the he would be healed. He went back to where they tested him, Mayo Clinic, and they said “Tests have come back completely normal and you… I’ll tell you what you were so aggressive when you saw that God is real and God can heal. In fact one time you were with your father-in-law and you picked up a hitchhiker who had a stiff leg and what happened?

Jim: Well we were going down a country road and saw this man hitch hiking. I was on vacation and really didn’t want to do this but I heard the Spirit of the Lord say “Pick him up.” And I pulled over to pick him up and I asked him where he was going?” He told me he was going to a bar and I thought, this is crazy why would God have me pick up a man and have me take him to a bar? And I said “Well why don’t you get in,” and we had one of those cab and a half pickups and you have to crawl behind the back seat and he said “I can’t get back there my leg doesn’t bend.” And at that point my father-in-law said “Let me crawl in the back and you can just get in the front.” So he climbed in and I could see he was favoring his leg kind of dragging it when he was getting in. And when we were going down the road he told me a little bit about his leg being hurt 18 years ago. The Spirit of the Lord said “Share your testimony with him, tell him how I healed you, tell him what I’ve done for you.” And I was talking a mile a minute and I was trying to get everything in that I could possibly get in while I’m taking him to this bar. And as we go down the road we’re getting closer to the bar and he says “Well, this is where I get off.” And he went to get out of the truck and as he went to get out ot the truck I said “Can I pray for you?” No I said “I will be praying for you.” And he closed the door of the truck and started heading for the bar he got partly there and turned around and he came back to the truck, he opened the door and stuck his head back in and said “When you pray for me, pray for my lower back because that’s where the nerves were damaged and that’s why this leg doesn’t bend today.” And closed the door of the truck and he headed back to the bar and the first thought that went through my mind was “As I go down the road on my merry way I will pray for him and the Spirit of the Lord said “Now!” And I moved and I had never done anything like this before and I was only a baby Christian about a year and half in the Lord and I jumped out of the truck and ran around the backside of the truck and I hollered for this man and he looked at me and said “What do you want?” I said “I want to pray for you.” And he said “You mean right here right now in front of this bar you want to pray for me?” And I said “Yes I do.” And he was a big fellow and I had to kind of look up at him and the fear started to rise up in me and then I realized he was more afraid than I was and he said “If I let you pray for me what are you going to do to me?”

Sid: Hm.

Jim: And I looked at him and I said “I’m going to do what the Bible says I’m going to ask God the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ to set you free.” And in a deep southern drawl he had his arms crossed just staring straight ahead he said “Do it.” And as he said “Do it.” I started to pray for him and I felt the power of the Almighty Living God everywhere it was all over me. I’m looking at him as I’m praying and he’s like a piece of stone he’s not blinking an eye, didn’t have his eyes shut wasn’t crying there was absolutely zero emotion. God taught me about emotion that day there doesn’t have to be any for God to be working. And when I got done praying for him I simply stuck out my hand and shook his hand and I said “I believe that God is going to do something for you.” And I left him and walked around the back side of the truck and I’m getting ready to get in the truck who was younger in the Lord than me had been waiting in the truck all of this time. And I had no idea how long it took but it seemed like it was awhile but he waited. As I’m climbing up in the truck he said “What did you do to him?” And I said “What do you mean?” And as I looked up into the rear view mirror this man is now walking past the bar and he’s going down the street he did not go in that bar. As I watched and as I watched he took that leg that had not bent in 18 years and he shook it and he took another step and he stuck it out and he shook it some more. And I watched him for about 2 blocks as he shook that leg and went down that street totally healed.

Sid: But you know something Jim this supernatural sign that your involved in right now that as almost a foretaste of it. You were actually went to Israel and met a friend of mine Israel Arabaugh. And in Israel my friend who’s name is Israel started blowing the shofar and what happened when you saw him blow that?

Jim: Well we were in a market place and he was blowing shofars for someone else who had actually purposed that they were going to buy one, they were there to buy one. I was on a trip but I had no intention to buy a shofar. I didn’t even have a clue and as he blew this one particular one I said “That’s mine.” And I knew that it was mine.

Sid: So did you buy it so that you’d be able to blow it?

Jim: No, no absolutely not I…

Sid: You just bought it as a souvenir.

Jim: Yeah, bring it home set it on a nice table with a pretty cloth and when people come over to visit we can tell them about our trip to Israel.

Sid: But then your wife started having some prophetic dreams tell me about them.

Jim: Well the first thing we were going to Africa in October of 1996 and we had gotten the shofar in May of 1996. And I had been dealing with “Should we take the shofar to Africa?” I kept feeling we were supposed to, but intellectually I was fighting it “Why would we want to take it half way around the world this just doesn’t make any sense to me.” And we were invited to go to Africa with another ministry and we were invited to lead the worship when we got there. And she had a dream and she came to me 2 weeks before it was time to go and she said “You know I had this dream and I think I need to share it with you, but in this dream I’m pregnant and we’re in this tiny little car and you’re driving it and you’re taking me to the hospital and I’m going to have a baby; and as you’re driving this car you reach under the seat and you pull out this giant shofar. As you pull it out you make this announcement “I will blow this during the birthing process.” And man when I heard that I knew I had to take my shofar to Africa, I didn’t know why but I knew I had to take it.

Sid: But when you got to Africa you were shocked to find out that you weren’t just leading worship they had you advertised to be a main speaker and at a healing campaign.

Jim: When we saw these posters we were shocked, but after talking to the leadership who had taken us we really believe that God was in it and even though we were totally unprepared we just obeyed and he went one way and he went another way.

Sid: Had you ever given a message before?

Jim: Ah…. no.

Sid: This was interesting and so how did you start?

Jim: Never had preached before or shared before in that manner and basically just tried to hear the Lord and obey and the first thing of course that he had us do was to blow the shofar at the start of the meeting.

Sid: Anything unusual happen when you blew the shofar for the first time at the start of a meeting?

Jim: A very awesome powerful presence of God more so than I had ever felt before. I didn’t understand it because it was an instrument that I knew anything about. All I knew is that God said “Use it.”

Sid: Well tell me some of the results of your meetings.

Jim: Well I think probably the easiest way is I’ll read to you a letter we received from a lady who was in the meeting when we were in Kenya, Africa her name was Sister Fanese. And it says the blowing the shofar trumpet you brought here did not just make a noise it declared victory, demons were cast out, captives were set free. It had revealed that God is reigning in our city in a mighty way. Since you have left we have been having wonderful testimonies about healing, deliverance and people being set free of evil powers.” And that was the first letter we got and then we received another one from a Pastor Solomon and it says “Just to mention the fruits of your labor, there was a woman with a limp problem and her daughter was paralyzed; after you had prayed for her told you her to go home and lay hands on her daughter. As she prayed the miracle healing met them both. The daughter got up and walked and mother was healed, the daughter came on Saturday to church worship and just as you departed our country she was saved and won and she continues with Jesus.”

Sid: What about people that are blind or people that were deaf any reports around those lines?

Jim: We received a letter from a pastor and I don’t have that one handy but I’ll give it to you the best of my ability as I remember it. And basically it started off that we want to share a notable miracle with you. And it was a mother who was in that meeting who was also instructed to go home and go to the hospital and pray her child and the child’s eyes, ears were closed and immediately upon laying hands upon the child the eyes and the ears were opened.

Sid: Now you’re a baby you probably haven’t seen miracles like this let alone prayed for people with miracles like this what are you thinking, what’s going on with you?

Jim: I didn’t have a clue, all I knew was the same voice that said “I’m going to heal you” was directing everything we did on that trip.

Sid: Jim, we’re out of time right now. Mishpochah let me explain something to you when Jim blows the shofar so many signs and wonders happen. I believe that it’s an end time sign and wonder but I also believe that it’s a transferable thing and when he teaches on the shofar and blows the shofar miracles take place. Somehow it’s go to do with this One New Man the knitting of the Jew and the Gentile Christian together. I believe that when he blows the shofar that it’s going to be a knitting of the One New Man don’t you dare do anything but tune in to the broadcast on tomorrow.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah because he knows what’s on the other side. You see the problem with most Christians is most Christian I believe don’t even understand the dark side of the invisible world my guest does. His name is Michael Champagne I’m speaking to him at home at Palisade, Colorado. Michael you were raised in a nice Baptist church you even taught the Bible, but you started studying mythology in the 5^th grade you didn’t see the good. Were you actually asking people before you got into the dark side “Where are the things I read about in the bible, the miracles?”

Michael: Absolutely that’s exactly what I was doing every chance I got every Baptist teacher that I could get my hands on our pastor everything. I was just like where is it at it’s here this is supposed to be the perfect book there’s supposed to be no flaws in it but the only flaw I see is that you ain’t living it. (Laughing)

Sid: Now how did you actually get into Satanism?

Michael: The only way I could say it was absolutely supernatural through studying. One day real late at night I was just I was just fed up with everything you know. Atheism sounded great to me because then I didn’t have to wait on either side.

Sid: Hm.

Michael: Just threw all my books down on the ground and I felt a presence come into my room. Now being a Christian I know the difference that when the presence comes into my room and it’s good or not but then I didn’t and this presence just walked up to me. And I heard a voice say “If you give me your hand I’ll show you the power that you want.” And I you know I symbolically stuck out my hand and I felt this burden…

Sid: Stop, stop was there a twinge of maybe I shouldn’t do this or just excitement and hunger when you did that?

Michael: Excitement and hunger.

Sid: Okay so you stuck out your hand then what happened?

Michael: And I felt like a not a lightning bolt I don’t know what it was like I got real dizzy and almost nauseous at first and then the presence was gone the dizziness was gone but there’s like a swell of power inside of me. And it was like for once I was seeing things like I believe now that demons see things. I was seeing the souls of people laid bare when I looked at them.

Sid: What do you mean by that?

Michael: I was seeing the inside of people like I was seeing…

Sid: Your’e seeing their secret sins.

Michael: There secret sins their secret thoughts I mean I was literally able to look inside and see what was really in there. And you know my thought at the time was “This is what I’ve been looking for my whole life.”

Sid: Out of curiosity when you would look into someone could you tell if they were a Christian or not?

Michael: Yeah I mean I knew the difference when I looked at somebody but you know with a Christian you know still, but I see into people but I see the power of God and I see the prophetic gift that I see into people. But then I would see their sins and whatever was going on in their life; now I just see if it’s a Christian I see lights almost a candle light depending on how bright they are.

Sid: Tell me about as you got into Satanism I’ve heard that they have covens what are they?

Michael: Covens are a group of witches or Satanists or whatever you know brand they want to label themselves they get together for the purpose of they had orgies, they cast spells on to certain… it’s much like a church service.

Sid: Now how much control did you have over a coven?

Michael: I was a leader in my home town of about 10 covens.

Sid: I read stories I don’t know if there true or not about sacrificing children is that true does that go on?

Michael: That goes on but in my covens it didn’t I’ve never sacrificed a small child or an animal. And the reason is most people that get into witchcraft when they get into that darker area the devil requires more of them you know if you want this much power you’re going to have to do this. With me I believe that that presence was… I don’t know if it was Satan himself but it was a higher up in this hierarchy it was a principality so I didn’t have to sacrifice an animal to get power or a person because I’d already given myself completely over to this demonic power.

Sid: Now you were actually teaching a Bible study while you were a Satanist?

Michael: Yes.

Sid: What was your objective?

Michael: My objective was to point out flaws.

Sid: To undermine people’s faith.

Michael: Right.

Sid: And were you successful at that?

Michael: Yeah I was very successful at that people were like “Well you know Michael you have a good point I mean if we’re supposed to be these good solid Christians and believe everything the Bible says and walk like Jesus walks then why can’t we have that power?” Then I would you know take the 2 or 3 at a time that had questions and I’d pull them aside and I would give them a demonstration of power.

Sid: And then would you get them into your group?

Michael: Sometimes sometimes they got freaked out and ran away but about 1 of 10 would stick around and we’d have that one.

Sid: What about these people that are on television that do almost séances where they communicate with supposedly a dead relative of people and talk to them and tell them things about themselves. Could you do that at that point?

Michael: Ah yeah I could but I strayed away from necromancy which is talking to the dead people.

Sid: Tell me what is really going on in this necromancing?

Michael: Okay.

Sid: Someone is sitting in a séance and supposedly their mother or their father has died is now talking to them through this channeler and they’re saying things that only that person knew how does that work?

Michael: Familiar spirits. The dead mother or the dead father or whatever relative it was had a demon. The channeler listens to the demon who knows the details of these people’s lives. The channeler then you know regurgitates the information to the other family members that’s alive. Now of course the information is correct because this person’s demon that’s talking to the channeler.

Sid: So what would you say to someone that says “I believe in reincarnation I’ll just keep coming back until I get better and better.” What would you tell them?

Michael: I’d tell them that there’s only your only have one chance at life and you know and I was very blessed by God in the outset because I didn’t die. But I would say to that person that “They need to step away and reevaluate their life because the only thing that they’re going to find is that all of these things that they believe is are demonic.”

Sid: But what about someone that says “Well I believe what you’re saying is true but I believe that there are many paths to God.” What would you say to them?

Michael: I would say that it’s a long journey to get to where I got and I’m just going to save them the time and say that “There’s only one path the Bible says that ‘There’s a path that seems right to man but the end is death.’” The Bible says that very clearly one God, one path, one door, one key.

Sid: Let me ask you something that is very popular today in gyms, it’s not a spiritual thing it’s an exercise thing it’s relaxing it’s good for blood pressure, it’s good to meditate it’s called Yoga. They don’t go into the spiritual side they just do the exercises. Is there anything wrong with a Christian doing that?

Michael: I would strongly advise against it the word Yoga literally means spirit binding. When you do those weird exercises you are literally aligning yourself with a spirit that binds to you and that connects to you.

Sid: Michael being as deep as you were into these things what was the first thing that gave you… moved you into the direction of becoming a believer in Jesus?

Michael: The first thing… I don’t know I mean to be real honest I thought about this there’s not like a event. I was in LA I was living on the streets doing what I’ve always done in witchcraft and…

Sid: Wait a second if you got all of this power what are you doing living on the streets?

Michael: Because I was a demonic missionary I traveled from hot spot to hot spot looking for teenagers.

Sid: Okay, and you went 7 years ago you went to a place that I’d heard of in Los Angeles called the Dream Center why did you go there?

Michael: Well for one they had something that I didn’t have at the time food. (Laughing)

Sid: Come on now you alright called yourself a missionary on the streets for Satan, doesn’t Satan take care of his missionaries?

Michael: Yeah I mean there.

Sid: But whoa whoa whoa whoa you were going there for food?

Michael: Yeah I was going there.

Sid: Well Michael you can’t have it both ways it wasn’t so good was it to have to go there for food?

Michael: No it wasn’t my most pleasant act.

Sid: (Laughing) Okay so you went there for food what happened?

Michael: I decided to stay because I saw some potential victims. You know at this discipleship home and I was thinking that if I stayed around long enough then I can… I can win these people over and they can come with me. And one day the leader of the house said that “If you stay here you got to throw away your Tarot Cards.” I had Tarot cards at the times that I didn’t leave them. I slept with them I…

Sid: What’s wrong with Ouija boards and Tarot cards?

Michael: Ouija boards are they’re just amplified antennas they pickup on spirits. And when you know there’s a reason why they look like arrows. The pointer on a Ouija board looks like an arrow because it is it is, it points spirits in different directions. And when a spirit answers a Ouija board he’s also like him knocking at the door.

Sid: So can he come into the person using the Ouija board?

Michael: He can come into person, it can come into the room and it can come into the house it all depends.

Sid: My goodness sounds like every Ouija board in America ought to be burned we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.