Sid:  I have a question for my guest Dennis Clark. You see Dennis was taught by God. He literally, God said to him “Dennis I’m giving you My undivided attention.” He was taught how he can literally connect with God 24-7; walk in supernatural peace 24-7. I mean that’s the norm, that’s not the exception. How to operate in discernment that is to know not what people are saying, of course he knows what people are saying, but what’s going on inside of those people. What an asset it is to be able to operate in supernatural discernment. How to have the promises of God naturally operate in your life; how to hear God. The thing that is so amazing is once people are healed are of their deepest hurts then every promise of God is activated in their life. Dennis in your experience, especially based on what God has taught you, and here’s the amazing thing, thousands of people have taken this teaching. It absolutely works in their life. As a matter of fact, some very well know leaders, whose names we can’t even mention publicly you would be shocked over have taken this course and its revolutionized their life. It’s not taught in most churches. So Dennis what is blocking the promises of God operating in our lives?

Dennis: Well we know of course that without faith it’s impossible to please God. It’s through faith and patience that we inherit the promises. That’s the fruit of the Spirit. The primary though is the love of God, the love is the nature of God. I learned everything in discernment by nature. I feel it and I identify its nature, and its name and its nature matches. So the promises that people have had, whether it was through prophetic words, or in their devotions, the love of God faith works by the love of God. There is an opposite that is we can think lofty thoughts and it not be the love of God, but from the heart to know the difference is the flow of love is an awareness of His nature on the inside. When there’s an absence of that nature any little absence that’s not that presence, that peace, the love, the joy…

Sid: When you say absence you mean the opposite? Love, joy, peace… the fruits of the Spirit.

Dennis: Right, right, and I think the challenge…

Sid: But the truth of the matter is… you know you’re human you’re in an imperfect world with imperfect people, and an imperfect devil. What do you expect to be able to walk in this kind of love 24-7?

Dennis:  Yes. I believe that’s why God gave us forgiveness. That’s the love message where the rubber meets the road. He gave us a way to reconnect in an imperfect world. He’s on the inside of us doing the forgiveness to re-establish peace with God, peace with man, peace with ourselves, and peace with our circumstances even. To stay there is addictive, it’s addictive in a healthy way because you get drawn to it. It gets to the point where anything negative that interrupts your peace is really not worth it. It’s something coming between you and God.

Sid: But you know you can teach this and someone can shake their head yes, but we’re such creatures of habit, how do we get to do this 24-7 without falling in failure, and repenting so often?

Dennis: Well it’s amazing what a slight moment of victory can do on the inside. The counterfeit to the love of God is lust.

Sid: I’m not sure I understand, what do you mean that’s the counterfeit?

Dennis:  The counterfeit, it’s the thing that people even in their spirit confuse. They confuse lust with love.

Sid: Can you give me an example?

Dennis:  Yeah there’s a… let’s start with my lusts. When I see a donut store, and all of my senses are being given power to that donut store, I start thinking “I could probably eat a dozen of those donuts.” While I’m focused on that there is the key in the gut will be mild anxiety. Anxiety means I’m coming out of prayer. Prayer for me is to be in His presence and have peace. So losing my peace is an indication that I’m moving away or being drawn away from Him within.

Sid: So lust you might define also as “I want it now.”

Dennis: Yes.

Sid: “Right this minute I want that donut.”

Dennis: That’s right I want it and I want it now. I want what I want, and I want it now.

Sid: I may get into trouble right now, but many approaches for money for good Christian causes, it seems to me the appeal is lust and not love. Am I wrong?

Dennis: No I’ve taught this even in our course, when you listen to anything, no matter how sincere the words are, learn to have… implement your own equipment. That is dual listening, listen to what their words are saying, but feel whether the nature of Messiah is on those words. In other words, we have equipment and were responsible to develop it.

Sid: So it doesn’t matter what someone says on TV if you have this what you call dual listening. What a difference this makes in someone’s life.

Dennis: Absolutely. Businessmen could use this with contracts. A deal could come on your table that looks too good to be true, but if you have an unsettledness…

Sid: Usually they say “It’s too good to be true.” But the truth of the matter is, most Christians look to their pastor, their mentor to hear from God. That’s not the way God created us…

Dennis:  No.

Sid:  That’s not the way God wired us. Why are we are so dependent on others rather than God?

Dennis:  Because we fail to locate the equipment and develop it properly. We basically, it’s easier to get it from somebody else than to develop our equipment. That’s my soapbox really is, I believe everyone has an anointing that abides within, but they need to have their senses exercised so that they can discern good and evil. They need to operate and practice, practice, practice. Practicing the presence for Brother Lawrence was still practice.

Sid:  But you know what? When I read his book I still could not get a handle on how to do what he said. I wanted what he said, practicing the presence of God, but I couldn’t get a handle. Your book and your course is really a how to step by step, and it’s so simple.

Dennis:  When Jennifer told me “I don’t care what people told you they said ‘We don’t understand this how you do this.’” She says “Teach me,” and she forced me to teach her step by step how I related with God, stuff that I never even said out loud I started saying out loud to her. Then I bore witness with her spirit when she was doing it right by discernment, said “There now you’re doing it right. No you’ve got anxiety going on now.” By the hit and miss she learned quickly, she was learning how to use the spiritual equipment that was in her.

Sid:  What about the person that’s listening right now. They just lost their job, they don’t have the money to pay their mortgage, their grace is over they’re about to lose their house, their family is in turmoil. How can someone like that be activated in peace? I mean they can’t be an ostrich.

Dennis: Nope, nope, but they have… 

Sid:  If they took your course what could they do?

Dennis:  What they could do is eliminate the torment in the midst of a bad situation. That potential is for every believer. You have that capacity, that in the midst of the worst circumstances that he can give you at least the peace that He’s in charge, He’s ruling, and even before you have an answer the torment goes.

Sid:  But even better than that… from what I’m understanding in this course when the love of God is released it changes the circumstances in the situation. That is so amazing to me.

Dennis:  Yes.

Sid:  As a matter of fact, when you can walk like that you don’t even have to pray to be physically healed; you’ll just be instantly healed. What are you seeing in marriages when people follow what the Lord taught you?

Dennis:  They’re learning to put God first and in the relationship it’s like the husband and the wife are finding that they’re both using their spiritual equipment in the problem solving. They’re using the Bible, of course, as their standard, but they’re using in the gut a green light from the husband, and a green light from the wife. You start seeing marriages that are getting put back together again.

Sid:  I see people that have marriage counselors, and they use and by the way there is some good things in psychology, the use a psychological techniques people have studies the mind and the brain.  But what is the difference between those that have good Biblical psychological counseling and those that take your course, what would the difference be?

Dennis:  Oh, the absolute difference is I’ve seen people that will receive some of the best advice in the world but they left depressed, they felt like they got good information of what their problem was, but they went out with their problem and they felt worse than when they came in.  This approach is basically a relationship with God that must end with the fruit of the Spirit or I don’t believe you received ministry.

Sid:  When you say end with the fruit of the Spirit explain what you mean.

Dennis:  By ending with the fruit of the Spirit I mean is any problem that you are able to present to Him He leaves with a sense of peace and eternal resolution.  Internal conflict is gone, chaos.

Sid:  Can you imagine what would happen with husbands and wives with children with employers and employees if they only operated in the basic equipment?  Every ones supposed to but very few Christians operate in this.

Sid:  My guest this week is Diane Nutt, I’m speaking to her at her home in suburban town down near Dallas, Texas. Diane walks in such a fresh wonderful presence of God.  But she paid a price to get there and she is going to release that this week, the anointing of God. I believe many of you your lives are going to be transformed.  But Diane time and time again you were backslidden, you went into drugs, you had a wonderful family but you couldn’t help yourself and you would repent and God would accept you back and you’d repent and God would accept you back but I know that there was a point where if you kept that up you would have been lost forever.  And God in His mercy your sitting outside of a drug dealer’s house ready to get some drugs and the Holy Spirit speaks to you and says “What are you doing here?”  And you call a former drug addict that’s a friend of yours that you knew had been saved and he told you to forgive yourself and to repent and to ask God to forgive you. You did that and what happened?

Diane: Well, it was amazing Sid, I would like to say something about forgiveness towards self, that is such an important thing that you must do and that reveals that love of God in your life and to you.  Because I had asked God for forgiveness many times and I had forgiven others but I had never forgiven myself. When I did it’s just immediately the shame and the condemnation and the guilt it was just gone.  I mean I didn’t realize until a couple of days later that pain that I had been having in my body from arthritis it was gone totally. Someone right now has been struggling with arthritis in their body even fibromyalgia and God wants to bring a healing into your heart right now.  And if you will just release that forgiveness towards yourself and release the hurt and the anger and the bitterness and that fear God will manifest His healing power to you right now.  I release that healing power to each and every person that is receiving God’s love. You are right now being set free from all that condemnation and guilt and shame, God is a loving Father and He doesn’t want you to walk in any guilt or condemnation because of what you have done and what you’ve gone through.  The blood of Jesus has washed you and cleansed you and made you whole.  And Sid that is what happened is the blood of Jesus washed me and I was white as snow; every symptom was gone.  I wasn’t hungry anymore, I had no craving or no desire for the cocaine, I mean everything was just totally gone and my whole life began.  As you journey with the Lord…

Sid: Diane how long ago was that?

Diane: That was twenty years ago this May, twenty years ago.

Sid:  Now listen I’m Jewish and the call of the Gentile according to Romans 11:11 is to provoke the Jew to jealousy.  The anointing on your life just provokes me to jealousy and I know that God wants everyone to walk in that type of presence, I mean it is …every time I talk to you on the phone it’s thick.  I understand that even when you hug people and when I did the television show I normally don’t let a woman hug me you hugged me and there was an impartation.

Diane: Yes.

Sid: Give me an example of someone that you hugged and what happened to them.

Diane: There’s been so many people but one in particular and this was just at our church that my husband and I pastored just here recently.  A young lady came up after the service and I hugged her and just released the love of God and next thing I knew she kind of stepped back and she goes “Woe” and she just started giggling.  And I said, “Isn’t He wonderful,” and she goes “Yes.”  And she just kind of started swaying from one side to the other because there was such a lightness Sid that came into her heart at that very moment.  Because the word of God tells us that “His yoke is easy and His burden is light” and the love of God it will lift you up so far above your circumstances and what you are going through.  And that just happened just, I mean quickly you could feel the manifestation of God’s presence.  There’s the presence of God but there’s the manifestation of His presence. Also I remember another one that is coming to me is just back at the first of February at a service that I did a young lady came up and she had been so heartbroken and the Lord told me Sid just to hug her.  And so I just took her and just held her and hugged her and she just started breaking; just started crying like a baby and next thing I knew she had just gone all the way down to the floor and had fallen under the power of God. God healed her heart from pain and just lifted her up and it was amazing.  I did use to have people would say “Don’t go hug Diane Nutt unless you want to fall under the power of God.”  And you know I just I love people, I love God and what we need is the love of God. People need the love of God, you don’t need judgment to be hit on the head for what you’ve done wrong because we know most of the time when we’re doing wrong, we know that something’s not right and so we need to rectify and resolve what we’re doing that’s not right. We also need to know that always when God’s judgment comes Sid there’s mercy.  And that mercy is there following us waiting in the goodness of God to just break us through to His presence.

Sid:  Now you pray for people and groceries stores, wherever you go, restaurants tell me about one person you prayed for that a total stranger, not in a quote church or Christian environment.

Diane: One thing that’s coming to me right now is a young lady who actually she was a small girl and I didn’t actually pray for her at that moment but she was coming out of the post office with her mother. All of a sudden as I’m walking in and this little girl looks at me and there was just a connection made; I mean the Spirit of God just manifested and she just fell back.  And she was you know she was laying there on the mat in the post office right as her and her mother were fixing to walk out of the post office.  And her mother looked down at her and said, “What are you doing?”  Well, the little girl just you know kind of stumbled with her words but she had been touched by the presence of God.  Well, when I got into inside the actual post office there was only one lady Sid that was working behind the counter and she looked at me and tears just welled up in her eyes and she told me she said, “I know what that little girl saw, she saw Jesus.”  And this woman just started pouring her heart out to me about her 16 year old son that she was having a lot of problems with. And so it was an opportunity to share the love of God with this woman whose son had been in similar things that I had gone through and just to speak hope into this mothers heart that he was going to be okay.  And so there’s just amazing…

Sid: Diane I can sense as I’m speaking to you right now just a tremendous presence of God in the studio here and I’m sure the people that are listening feel the presence of God.  Are you special or can everyone walk in that type of presence of God?

Diane: Everyone, but Sid you know what we are all special to Him. He loves each of us so dearly. Once I got into a certain well I guess I can say it the charismatic scene but there just was not of this love that I had received and had experienced as a child.  And so my cry and my heart became “God let people feel You like I do, let them know You like I do.”  And I do always share, it’s not just a special thing for someone who walks in…

Sid:   I’ll tell you what we have two days left this week, I want you to teach on Thursday and Friday of how, and pray for an impartation for our people.

Sid: I believe that when you get this revelation for Dr. John Benefiel on how to pray to literally stop the promises of God from being held back in your life and nothing will separation you from those promises of God and we’re going to start doing the works of Jesus which is normal Christianity; anything short of that is abnormal.  Now Dr. John I have to tell you when you explain in your teaching about the many faces of Baal; I want to talk today about something that is around everywhere and almost every President of the United States has been a member of this fraternal organization so many people are.  Tell me about Free Masons, tell me about… let’s start out with the one that brought it to the United States this Albert Pike; what kind of guy was he?

John: Well, he didn’t actually bring it it was brought a long time before that but he’s the one that really made things a lot worse and this is around civil war time and a little bit after that.  I believe he’s the most wicked man that ever lived in the United States of America.  In his book “Morals and Dogma of Free Masonry” which is you might say the Bible of Free Masonry. When I say that a lot of Free Masons have never read that at all but it doesn’t make any difference because they’re led in the first three degrees to swear to Free Masonry and to the god of Free Masonry and it’s not Jesus Christ.  But in that book “Moral and Dogma of Free Masonry” he plainly says that Lucifer is the good god, the god of light and goodness, and Adonai is the God of Darkness and evil.  He equates the two and in the 33^rd degree they actually are led to swear to Lucifer, that’s the 33^rd degree, not very many masons are there but they swear allegiance to those over them and the one over them is Baal.

Sid: Okay I had an uncle that was a mason, no way in a million years would he swear to Lucifer, he was a good Jewish man but so would it have affected him?  Would it have hurt him?

John: It was the same way with my father who was just a third degree mason just a lowest level absolutely, it affects all and when you are initiated in those first three degrees and become a master mason just the lowest level you have made oaths, you have sworn to things that in your right mind you never would have done.  You got to investigate some of those oaths, but when they swore those oaths they bound their descendants and their relatives to what they were swearing and it effectively they were swearing to Baal.

Sid: Okay what I can’t I’ve never heard before is you say “This Albert Pike that wrote the literally the Bible of Free Masonry was the founder of the KKK.”

John: Yeah, he was the founder of the KKK in the United States and at the same time his friend in Europe, Mazzini, who was also the high level free Mason he founded the mafia in Europe which came to the United States, well they’re all evil organizations, their secret organizations and evil organizations.  And we know that the prince of darkness that’s over all of that. Of course he would be the one that I’m talking about Baal, Lucifer is the one that’s ruling over them and do they mean to do it, absolutely not my dad didn’t mean to swear to Lucifer but he made oaths that he was led to do in those initiation ceremonies that he didn’t say “Well I didn’t mean to do that, I didn’t understand what I was doing.”  It doesn’t make any difference Jesus said, “By your words are you justified by your words or you are condemned.”

Sid: Alright does it hurt the United States of America to have free Mason symbols on even our dollar bill for starters, let alone the Statue of Liberty or the Washington Monument?

John: We’re giving legal right to the enemy to be involved in our lives. He didn’t force us to do that; we gave a legal right to the enemy to be involved in our finances when you have the all seeing eye on the back of the dollar bill for example that’s the eye of Lucifer.  It’s the same kind of thing when you look at the Statue of Liberty; people don’t know the origins of the Statue of Liberty.

Sid: Let’s go back to the dollar bill, there’s a date on every US dollar bill, 1776 in Roman numerals and what does that date mean?

John: It’s not from July the 4^th ’76 it’s from May the lst 1776 when the Illuminati was officially formed in Europe on that day that’s what’s on our dollar bill.

Sid: How did that get on our dollar bill?  What business I mean well…

John: Because many…most of our many at least maybe most of our founding fathers were involved in Free Masonry.  Does that mean they were evil people?  No, I’m not saying that at all they got hooked into things and then after a while the Illuminati began to infiltrate and influence Free Masons…

Sid: I’ve often wondered, and I’m looking at a dollar bill right now, what is this pyramid with an eye and also it’s a light coming from this eye; what is that?

John: That’s the eye of Lucifer, the all Seeing Eye, that’s exactly what it is.  And those thirteen steps that are in that pyramid are the thirteen steps of Free Masonry most of which, well the bottom part is open to the public we know about the degrees.  But the upper parts that are over the rest of them are called esoteric, or hidden, or European Free Masonry, that even most Free Masons have no idea about but that’s what’s over them because they swore to be loyal to Free Masonry.  And so they put themselves under the ruler of Free Masonry which in the 33^rd degree is plainly told as being Lucifer.

Sid: What is the Washington Monument?

John: The Washington Monument is an asherah pole, it is an abolist but the Bible refers to it as an asherah pole they’ve been used for well we’ll go back to antiquity and it is a phallic symbol and it is absolutely a symbol of Baal and the sexual perversion that he brings or it brings.

Sid: Okay and what is the Statue of Liberty?

John: The Statue of Liberty is Lucifer. In the History Channel in 2010 they did an hour long special in which they exposed that Statue is Lucifer that was their factual evidence that it’s Lucifer that it repents Lucifer.  And it was made by, the Statue of Liberty, was made by three French Free Masons.  Bartholdi and Eiffel’s made, the man that made the Eiffel Tower made the inside of it and they said “This is the light bearer,” and that’s why the statue holds that torch up.  And that is the light they’re inviting people to come to Lucifer the light bearer but I believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life the true light of the world and not Lucifer.

Sid: And where did we get Columbia from in the District of Columbia.

John: Well, when we say District of Columbia it means the District belonging to Columbia. Columbia is another name of the Queen of Heaven which is the female part of the Baal principality.  And we have all kinds of name for Columbia which is the queen of heaven, the moon goddess, the sun goddess, the mother of harlots, the great mother Asteroff, Artimus, Aphrodite, Columbia, Manerva which is on the seal of the state of California.  Nike, Astarte, Diana, Isis, and boy you’ll hate this, Eeshter, or Ishtar.  So the word Easter is the name for the queen of heaven also the name of Columbia which is the statue that’s on top of our nation’s capital building.  They refer to it as the statue of freedom, but that goes back to Libertas, which was a Roman goddess, which is the same thing as the queen of heaven which is part of a Baal principality.

Sid: Okay, Christians and non-Christians alike are caught up in all of these symbols and all of these things throughout America, I got two questions for you.  1. Why has America been such a blessed country with all of this Baal symbology all over the place?

John: We have I believe one major reason that we supported Israel when God said to Abraham “I’ll bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.”  We’ve been a blessing to Israel, we have been to a large extent a Christian nation and we have propagated the gospel around the world so we have legally given rights for the blessings of God to come to our nation. But at the same time the enemy doesn’t want those blessings to flow and so he tricks us into also doing things that follow him and worship him.  And the thing that God said He said, “You’ll have no other gods before me, I don’t want to share you with any other principality and any other god I don’t want you to be shared with any other god, I’m a jealous god I want you and you alone.”  So it isn’t that the United States has done every wrong we haven’t and I love our nation and the blessings of God have flowed here but we’ve also allowed the enemy a legal right to be involved in our nations politics, our government, our finances, our marriages, all kinds of things without knowing that’s what we did but that’s what the enemy does because he appears as an angel of light.  He doesn’t appear…and an angel of light that’s referring really to Lucifer, and so…

Sid: So a Christian is supposed to be married to God and in affect you’re saying with ignorance of the law many Christians are married to Baal and they don’t even know it!

John: Absolutely that is exactly right! That’s what happened with Israel, you know when the show down at Mount Carmel with Elijah when he said, “Choose today whom you know who’s God, is it Baal or is it God.” They didn’t answer a word because they didn’t know which one was right they were worshipping Jehovah and then they were also worshipping Baal because they didn’t know for sure who was really a god.  And when they made that face down he made that challenge then God showed himself strong and when those prophets of Baal and Asher were destroyed and then he prayed seven times and the rains came and the rains are blessings.

Sid: You know what because of time right now we’ll pick up on tomorrow’s broadcast but I am amazed once Christians divorce themselves from Baal, legally based on total knowledge, things change in their government, things change in their families.  Things change in their health, this change in their finances.  Are you ready to stop having the promises of God held back in your life?

Sid:My guest Al Houghton I’m speaking to him at his home in Anaheim, California.  Let me tell you a story a fellow that I went to college with he’s been a believer well over 30 years.  He has graduated Bible school, he has taught, he has been involved in many levels of ministry and he got a hold of this teaching the covenant of sure mercies and he said, “Sid you’ve got to listen to these tapes.” And this is what he told me he said, “I’m going to devote the rest of my life to teaching people how to understand this covenant.”  So I got a hold of the tapes and I spoke to Al Houghton and I said, “I’m really interested in…” and Al told me that he was finishing up a book and now the book is out, it’s called “The Sure Mercies of David.”  Al, tell me briefly for those that perhaps are tuning in for the first time the premise of this covenant, how it operates and some examples of how it operates.

Al:  Sid the covenant of sure mercy is what God gave David four chapters before he met Bathsheba.The covenant of sure mercy allows out life’s work to be established and contribute to God’s Kingdom even if there is a moral failure.  Now Isaiah took the covenant that God gave David in 2^nd Samuel Chapter 7 and verse 15, and Isaiah extended it out to nations.  And actually what Isaiah tells us in chapter 55 is that if we learn to function in the covenant of sure mercy that nations will run to us it is a key to the end time harvest, that’s one of the edge of the sword.  The second edge of the sword is the justice of God I believe that is the key to the Jewish harvest to making Israel jealous and grafting them back in.They’ve been looking for a Messiah who’s a judge of all the earth for thousands of years and the church has to demonstrate the Messiah. The essence of this covenant is “I will take your greatest failure and I will redeem it, I will restore you in the process and I will make your failure praise me and produce fruit for my Kingdom.”  David’s an example, his sin and failure with Bathsheba; after he repents out of that union comes Solomon, the wisest man on earth and one who builds the temple.  Now that’s what I call the qualifications side of the covenant of sure mercy.  We need to understand in the church that how we treat people in failure is an opportunity that God is giving us and if we don’t treat them based on the principals of the covenant of sure mercy we often forfeit major future blessing.

Sid:Now you’re saying if we choose not to forgive who God has forgiven it’s a law of sowing and reaping it’s going to come back on us.

Al:  It’s is going to come back on us and it’s so typical to push away people in failure.You know Moses…three of the greatest leaders of scripture Moses, David and Paul all had what you would have to call tremendous failure and every single one of them God redeemed and then used for their purpose in the earth.  Moses at age 40 we find him in Acts Chapter 7 he kills a man in his own strength.  He tries to judge a couple of Israelites they push them away, that’s Acts 7:27. I wonder how they would have treated Moses if they would have known, if they could see with God’s redemptive covenant of sure mercy and know that God was going to use Moses to deliver them.  And that is often what happens to us; there were people who treated David terribly and David was restored to his throne because God had forgiven him.  The man’s name was Shimei, it cost him his life; it’s amazing how this covenant works it’s an opportunity.  When we find people in failure we need to understand that’s an Isaiah 55 opportunity to qualify for anointing that will impact cities and nations.We need to go for it.

Sid:Not only cities and nations and that would have been enough your own family, your own life can be dramatically affected by this part of the gospel that has been eliminated that the first church understood.  Give me some examples of testimonies of people that have got hold of this teaching and the changes that have occurred in their life.

Al:  You know Sid I tend to focus on the nation because that’s where my heart is, but the funny thing for me about teaching this is that almost all the testimonies that are coming in are not about the nation they are all about people in their own circumstances.  Within 30 days after I taught this at a church in Hawaii who was in a building program.They encountered somebody in the planning commission area who was absolutely against them.  So they would go in for their permits for water, permits for electricity it would all be delayed, all be delayed.  And they were ridiculous excuses there was no reason for it, it was costing them time and money.  It was obvious there was somebody in that building code department that was anti-Christ did not want them to build what they were building.  And I’m sure anybody who’s ever built anything understands the hassle that you go through in the process of getting your permits and your approvals.  And finally the pastor had had enough, he was just full, he was just full he said, “That’s it congregation.”  And so on Monday night prayer meeting they all gathered together, they said “We’re going to agree; tonight we’re invoking the covenant of sure mercy. Father you told us to build this church, now in Jesus Name we invoke your covenant of sure mercy over this project and have mercy on us cut off this opposition.  We put this individual in your hands, we decree divine justice and we are calling forth the justice of God, bring it forth in the name of Jesus.  We want it, we decree it and we are calling it and we have nothing else than the divine justice of the living God.”  They prayed it, they stood on it and they brought it forth and Sid within 7 days every permit that they were asking for was docked approved.  And what happened was even more amazing because this man went on vacation and then while he was on vacation somebody else got this and approved it.So when they brought it back in he was livid he was enraged that it was approved while he was gone on vacation but there was nothing he could do.  It was a done deal; now there’s a perfect example of what I’m hearing from people in how they’re using the covenant of sure mercy in their circumstances where they are suffering injustice.  Because it’s a covenant that demands the justice of God come into manifestation.  And we’re seeing it, and that the exciting part of what’s going on here so it’s awesome to see people catch God’s word and then begin to use it in such a way.

Sid:Well, my friends reaction who sat under your seminar he literally he feels he’s got to teach this wherever he goes.Is he unusual or do many people feel that that sits through your seminar?

Al:  I just talked many people are having that response because it’s a restoration and here’s what a retired army officer said to me who’s been teaching God’s word, he’s instrumental in his church, he’s a teacher.  He said, “Alf for the majority of my Christian life I feel like every single thing that I’ve learned to do in prayer is all defensive, this is the first message that has put a sword in my hand that I can swing.”  And he said, “It is unbelievable, it’s making a difference.”He has had struggle, struggle after struggle with his homeowner association, they didn’t want to let him pain his house the color he wanted, they didn’t want to let him put this thing out in front.  And I mean one after another, after another he said, “I invoke this covenant, I begin to pray and he said, “The opposition just sort of bled off, it was slow but I watched God bleed it off.”  And that’s the typical response that I’m getting from people; they are using it for what they’re facing in their own life and they’re finding God is coming on the scene as the judge of all the earth in their behalf.

Sid:But what you said to me that is covenant is going to be used to provoke Jewish people to jealousy.As you also explained in the Prophet Amos the greatest revival the world has ever seen is based on Christians understanding this covenant.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to operate in the miraculous, that’s the name of the latest book of my guest, he’s been my guest all this week Senior Pastor of Heartland World Ministries Church in Dallas, Steve Hill.  Most of you are familiar with Steve because he just happened to be speaking on Father’s Day 1995 in Brownsville, Pensacola, Florida Assembly of God Church.  And there was an outpouring of God’s Spirit over a half-million people made professions of faith, how many people came to your services after Father’s Day, would you say?

Steve: Sid we had 4 million people come through those doors, but they represented millions who could have never made it.

Sid: And they came from all over the world, they were hungry.

Steve: Absolutely, 150 nations of the world.

Sid:  Is what you had there is that going to be normal for pastors and believers that are really hungering and thirsting for righteousness this moment?

Steve: Sid, yes it is and the book “Operating in the Miraculous” is all based on a scripture that really bothers me and that is “And these signs will follow those who believe; in my name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents and if they drink any deadly it will by no means hurt them.  They will lay hands on the sick, it doesn’t say they might, it says they will lay hands on the sick and they will.”  It doesn’t say they might “They will recover.” Mark 16:17-18.  And so my friend if you are a believer, if you call yourself a believer and if you’re not right now you can become one by asking Jesus Christ to forgive you, to wash you, to cleans you, to make you brand new.  Repent of your sins and I want to pray with you right now, and say “Jesus, thank you for your blood.”

Sid: Jesus, thank you for your blood.

Steve: Thank you for the cross.

Sid:  Thank you for the cross.

Steve: I confess my sins.

Sid: I confess my sins.

Steve: I’m sorry.

Sid:  I’m sorry.

Steve: I repent.

Sid: I repent.

Steve: Be my Savior.

Sid:  Be my Savior.

Steve: Be my Lord.

Sid: Be my Lord.

Steve: My very best friend.

Sid:  My very best friend.

Steve: In Jesus Name.

Sid: In Jesus Name.

Steve:  Amen.

Sid:  Amen.

Steve:  Now, if you were sincere and you prayed that prayer listener you have become a believer in Jesus Christ.  You say “It’s got to be more difficult than that.”  No, if it were more difficult it would be religion, this is Christianity.

Sid: Steve, you know my prayer was even shorter, as a Jewish man 35 years ago, just like you at the end of the rope, nowhere else to go just like you at the end of the rope nowhere else to go some Christians had said “There was more power in the Name of Jesus than the devil.”  And so before I was ready to just die, I said, a two word prayer, and you know what. He heard it, the two words were Jesus help; that was it.

Steve: Fascinating; you know that needs to be a book called “Jesus Help!”  Because that is the bottom; when I got saved I just cried out to the name Jesus.  See the Bible says “Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart.”  But Sid one of the things I want to share today is once you become a believer and Jesus Christ lives in you you have authority over demonic forces.  And it’s by the very nature of becoming a believer, it’s not something you did it’s something He did 2,000 years ago on Calvary.  So now you are a believer but you have authority just like when you and God forbid that any of us get pulled over by the police but when you get pulled over by the police and they give you a ticket, they can give you the ticket because they’re wearing a badge and there’s a sign on the road that says speed limit 55.  And now you’re going 80 and so they have the authority by the state of whatever state you’re in to give you a ticket.  Because Jesus lives in your heart you now have the authority over demons, devils, sicknesses to do what needs to be done.

Sid:  You know Steve something I’ve often wondered and I have to ask you this question I’ve heard you speak many times at the Brownsville Assembly of God and every time I’ve heard you speak you’ve had a new message and it was really it was ingenious the way the message was put together.  Where did you get all these messages from?

Steve: Well, I would get up in the morning and I’d say “Jesus I’m in trouble” because you know I preached every night when the revival first broke out it was seven nights a week.

Sid: I know, that’s why it was so fresh every night it was so different, you had some people would come after they got saved they’d be there.  You would tell them you’ve got to come here every night and guess what they did.

Steve: Oh, they would some of them would go out the building at 1:00 in the morning and stand in line and get ready to come in the building at 7:00 the next evening.  And the lines would stretch out, I mean it was just amazing but I got the messages from the Lord.  I know that that sounds sort of super spiritual but there is no way you can hold up under that kind of pressure.  And in the mornings I would always spend time with Jesus, I would sleep a few hours and then get up and go into my study and I would say “Jesus you know tonight thousands of people are going to come from all over the world and I need a fresh word from You.” And the Lord was never, ever, ever late He always arrived on time and He put a word in my heart and we prepared it together.

Sid:  Did you just out of curiosity with all those years of messages and each one different were there ever times where you just didn’t have a word and you got out and started speaking and God showed up?  Or did you always have the message just before you started?

Steve: You know I always had the message just before I started but there’s time I got up and I preached a different message and that was because you know God just right in the instant changed it, and then I would preach out.  I still have messages in my archives Sid that were prepared seven years ago, five years ago, two years ago, that I still haven’t preached okay and it’s because God’s got them on hold for awhile.

Sid: There was such a Spirit of repentance I mean when we did our television show I aired a tiny segment of someone that was being baptized and he said, “I’ve messed up everywhere, I was unfaithful to my wife,”  I mean I couldn’t believe that he was saying these things publically with cameras on him but he didn’t care.

Steve: Sid, I would have them, this is going to be hard to believe for some folks listening but as I was preaching I would have to hold people back from coming forward.  People would start getting up coming forward, I would say “Sit back down, I’m going to give the altar call in ten minutes.”  People were so convicted under the power of God of their sins they wanted to get right with God, it was just a fabulous, fabulous time.

Sid:   In the invisible world what was going on, do you think there was a special salvation, repentance angel that showed up when you were preaching?

Steve: Absolutely but the Holy Spirit is one who convicts of sin and Holy Spirit was there strong and I mean in our church right now He is strong as ever.  But He convicts men and women of sin and once you’re convicted see the word convict means to be found guilty and once you’re found guilty man your popping sweat, you know you’re under the gun.  You want to do something about getting that guilt out and at the altar is where it all happens.

Sid: I’ve asked you before but I have to ask you again, what is the feedback that you’re getting from people that are reading your latest book “Operating in the Miraculous?”

Steve: Feedback like “It changed my life,” “I don’t know what I’d do without this,” “This has taught me that I can be used of God too.”  And the feedback like that because you know this is not some type of theological thesis that’s difficult to understand.  “Operating in the Miraculous” is for the lay person, for the pastor, and of course theologians love it too, but it’s just for the man or woman who wants to be used of God in the miraculous.

Sid:  Now you also talked earlier this week about an atmosphere for the miraculous, “What do you mean by that?”

Steve: I mean whenever when you step into a situation when there’s someone in a wheelchair, someone in the hospital, usually the atmosphere that means the climate can be negative.  Maybe somebody was arguing, maybe somebody just said, “You’re going to die.”  Okay maybe it’s that you got to change that just like in the Book of Acts when Peter and John went up to the man at the Gate Beautiful, wonderful story.  He was begging, he was asking for alms; Peter and John said, “Silver and gold we don’t have, but what we have we give you.” They changed the atmosphere from the begging, from the carnal world to the spiritual and then the miracle came.

Sid: Very quickly, pray for miracles right now.

Steve: Lamb of God I’m believing You in this moment and I see someone with your eyes have been glazed over, and it’s happened over the last week.  I pray right now for clear eyesight in Jesus Name right now.  Arthritis, blood sickness, blood disease, high blood pressure, heart disease in Jesus name right now, paralysis in Jesus Name I speak healing in Jesus Name Amen.

Sid:  My guest is part of what I call the one new man. What is the one new man?  The one new man is the last in the greatest move of God’s Spirit that will literally the average believer will walk in resurrection power to the point that Paul says “If it was a blessing that Gentiles rejected their Messiah how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah it will literally cause life from the dead.”  My guest has prayed for dead people that have come back to life. He’s a forerunner of this great anointing that I believe the atmosphere is pregnant with right now.  My guest Tommy Combs I’m speaking to him at his office in Dora, Alabama which is right outside of Birmingham, Alabama.  And Tommy I am so fascinated that right after you became a believer in the Messiah about age 10 you were blessed; it took me thirty years to become a believer in the Messiah.  But right after you became a believer in the Messiah it was almost as if the devil knew that there was something significant you were going to do with your life and he tried to snuff it out.  You developed Hepatitis C how serious is that?

Tommy:  It was a serious disease we had no idea how that happened in our lives still today do not know what happened, but yes I became a very sick young man.  And was told by the doctors in Birmingham, Alabama; my parents were told three days, five days, eight days at the most his liver is destroyed and he will die.

Sid:  That’s an awful prognosis so you’re in a hospital room, you’re there with was it your grandmother and your mother?

Tommy:  My mother and my aunt.

Sid:  Your mother and your aunt and Oral Roberts comes on television.  And why were they watching Oral Roberts do you know?

Tommy:  Of course they were praying for me to be healed; they were there that morning to pray with me my mother and my aunt were praying with me in the hospital room.  And Oral Roberts called “The Healing Hour” would come on television in Birmingham, Alabama every Sunday morning from 9:00 to 10:00.  And he would pray for people over the television and they were watching that and having faith in God to do the healing and watching his program is part of that.

Sid: Now he was one of the pioneers in putting the gospel on television and you’re a bit of the fruit of the gospel; the true gospel on TV. So they’re watching this and what does Oral say?

Tommy:  Oral say’s at one point in that program he’s saying; look I’m going to ask you to touch the television if you possibly can if not then point your hand toward a television as a point of contact.  And the camera would absolutely zoom in on his hand so much there was nothing on the screen accepts Oral Roberts big hand, that was all that was on the television screen.  And my mother reached over and touched the television’s screen with her hand; but her other hand over my stomach and said these words “God heal my boy and I will give him to you.”  Instantly, not after awhile, not in a minute not next week no in a few days, not next month, instantly the power of God entered that hospital room.  I was instantly healed by the power of God; it was like a mist it was like a blue mist.  I can still see it right now in my vision; it was like a mist of light in the middle of the light it was like Jesus was standing in the middle of the light and the light was so strong, so strong that it knocked my mother and my aunt to the floor.  The power of God was so strong, it was so strong in that room that they were knocked to the floor.  The light went out the door of the hospital room and other people were healed on that floor.  The doctors and nurses at the nursing station ran down the hall into the room to see because they saw the flashing of light as it left the room.   An orderly actually brought a fire extinguisher to the room because the power of God had shot out so strong.  And I was totally instantly healed, totally not a drop of Hepatitis C even in my blood stream; not a residue.  They took blood tests not a residue of Hepatitis C in my blood stream; that’s the healing power.

Sid:  Now they knew that by testing but I’m curious as a ten year old did you know that you were instantly healed?

Tommy:  I knew that something wonderful had happened to my life.

Sid: How did you feel?

Tommy: I felt overwhelmed by this presence I knew something was happening out of the ordinary, but I didn’t know what. I had never seen anything like that in my life.  I knew that something had happened to me; I was concerned about my mother and my aunt you know.  I was concerned about this light that was enveloping the whole room but at the same time there was so much love and so much peace in the light that I knew that everything was okay.  It was wonderful feeling to feel that presence of God.

Sid:  I understand that shortly thereafter you found out you had a gift you didn’t understand it, but you found out you had a gift.  What was this gift?

Tommy: I would know things, I would see things, hear people talk, watch things and would tell my mother in secret.  It’s like a word of knowledge.

Sid: Can you remember one actual one that you had back then as a child?

Tommy: I could tell her about individuals; there’s something hidden in their life.  That man is not where he should be, or that person is not, and individually it would be told or found out about it; but I would keep these secret to my mother.  Not in an extraordinary way or announcement to the whole public but go to my mother with these secret things and she would write them down.

Sid:  What did your mother tell you after she saw these started coming true?

Tommy: My mother realized what had happened that day in that hospital room in Carraway Hospital in Birmingham.  She told me that God had entered the room; that I was totally healed by the power of Jesus Christ and that the gifts of God.  And she tried to explain to me as an 11 year old the gifts of God had also came into my life at that time.  And those had to be developed yet; she was smart enough to know these things have to develop through God and with God.

Sid: Out of curiosity do you know what the doctors had to say about this incurable disease that you were dying from?

Tommy: Yes, they wrote on the doctors report “Miracle of God”; they knew something had happened the liver was totally restored, totally healed and it’s like a brand new liver.  I mean they just knew that this thing something had happened.  In fact some of the doctors and nurses were there that morning when the light entered the room.  They didn’t see the light the light came and went but they entered the room soon after that when my countenance changed when my blood count changed; when things happened and the testing that they started to do showed totally clean of Hepatitis C then they knew that something wonderful had happened.

Sid:  Out of curiosity have you ever had an encounter with the power of God to that degree of a mist coming into a room and people being healed?

Tommy:  I was in a service not long after that of maybe four years later in a small Pentecostal church near Dora, Alabama and the mist actually came around the altar.  I mean there were a hundred people there, and the mist actually flowed into the altar service and around the altar area and the people would come up and touch it or come up and get in it and they would fall under the power of God.  That’s the two times I have seen this mist.

Sid: I believe that’s a foretaste of what we’re going to see quite often between now and the time the Messiah returns.  Mishpochah in addition to seeing the most glorious move of God’s Spirit in history the devil is not going to take this laying down and he’s going to fight.  But we’ve got some weapons; the first church understood communion; the first church understood communion because communion comes from the Jewish Passover.  And they understood it to the point they participated in it every day they broke bread from house to house.  And they understood that it wasn’t just a ritual and I interviewed last week Ana Mendez Ferrell. Ana was a woman from Mexico that God healed in such a marvelous fashion in a mental institution.  She should have spent her whole life there but the power of God came on her; she got set free and something like 80% of the other people in the mental institution got set free.  And God has been giving her revelation on communion to the point where her whole body when the devil came after her whole body took on a reddish glow for the blood of Messiah.  She found out that communion is progressive, and the more you do this if you do this every day and understand it with knowledge you will walk in the same power that she walks in.

Sid:  My guest Katie Sousa is going to talk about a subject that is almost ignored, or the other extreme you have to go to almost a college course to take care of it. But it’s literally causing a problem for the promises of God to be operating in your life.  And everyone knows about forgiveness, and you know how that if you don’t forgive you drink the poison you want the person that wounded you to drink.  So you know how to forgive, but there is something called wounding in the soul, haven’t you noticed that some people take off once they become a believer and move in all the gifts of the Spirit and the promises of God seem to be activated in working and they have dreams and visions and words of knowledge.  And other people year after year after year they don’t see much of that going on, and they have problems in their life, problems in their marriage, problems in their finances, problems in their health.   And it has to do with a wounding in your soul. Now Katie Sousa you have been teaching on this and the thing that amazes me about your teaching is that you keep it so simple, it’s easy enough for one, and once someone understands the principals for them to be free.  Let’s start out with what is wounding of the soul, what does that mean?

Katie:  Okay, that’s easy.  We’re a three part being, body, soul and spirit and when we become believers our spirit man is made perfect in an instant. That doesn’t happen to our soul, our soul has to be progressively healed over time.  But here unfortunately overtime there have been a progression of wounding in our souls and those wounds come from two main sources from trauma like if we have a traumatic event, a death of a love one or an accident, or something like that those events can literally wound our soul.  And doctors will even tell you that if you have something happen in your soul, like if you have a traumatic event happen it can develop like into a physical sickness.  But there is another thing that wounds a soul that every single person on the face of the planet has done and that is sin, sin literally wounds us in our soul man, I mean there is scripture on it in Isaiah 30 it says, “That God will bind up the hurts of His people and heal their wound inflicted by him because of their sin.”

Sid:  But wait a second though, are you saying to me when someone repents of their sins and is born again and Jesus is living inside of them they still can have scars on their soul that will limit them in their walk in the supernatural?

Katie:  It’s true and I’ll tell you how that works, so here we are we all go through life and we sin and according to the Bible sin creates wounds in the soul, even the Psalmist said, “Oh Lord heal my soul for I have sinned.”  Indicating that the sin had wounded the soul; so we all have these wounds inside of us and we go okay “Well, we plead the blood and that takes care of everything.”  Well, here’s the piece where the church has missed and this is a crucial piece of healing that we didn’t understand, we’ve all been applying the blood of Jesus on our sin and that’s exactly what the blood of Jesus does, it washes us from that sin.  And we go okay we go in the closet and if we sin or do something we repent and we apply the blood and we put the cross on our sin and then we come out of the closet and we go “Amen okay I’m done.”  But at the end of that prayer we’re still sick, we’re still broke; we still have relationship problems, our mind is still being controlled and all these problems are still happening in our life so what happened?  I thought, didn’t we just apply the blood and isn’t the blood all powerful?  Yes, it is, the blood is all powerful, but the blood had a specific job, it is for the sin.  But what we didn’t understand is that sin made a wound in our soul and there is another power that comes from Jesus Christ that is specifically for the wound that sin made.  And power is called dunamis; it comes to us from the resurrection of Christ.  You see the church has been for centuries focused on the cross as we should, we have to have the cross, we need the cross to be reconciled unto God, to have eternal life, to be cleansed of our sin.  But the thing is, we also need to be focused on the resurrection and a power called dunamis that comes from.  Because see without the resurrection Jesus is still a man dead in a tomb; see He had to be raised from the dead for everything He had accomplished on the cross to become activated.  So when Jesus was raised from the dead it gave us a power called dunamis.  Let me talk about that.  Paul said, in Philippians 3 he says, “I want to know him, meaning Christ, and the power, or dunamis, that’s what it is of His resurrection.”  See through the resurrection there comes to us a power called dunamis, now the reason why it’s so important for us to start partaking of that dunamis just like we partake of the blood is because of what dunamis means. In the Greek if you look it up in the Strong’s there’s like four meanings, I’ll just tell you two.  The first one is the power to perform miracles, and the second on is this, “To be excellent of soul.”  You see the power, (laughing) that dunamis that comes from the resurrection is for the healing of the wounds that sin made.  So when we put the blood we take care of the sin.  But that sin still let the wound behind, and the Bible says, “We’ll prosper and be in health even as our soul prospers.”  So when that wound is left behind it ruins out prosperity, it causes us to be sick, it affects our health.

Sid:  Let me tell you something that I envision as I’m hearing you speak right now. Someone comes to the Lord, they genuinely are born again, they genuinely have an experience with the Lord. They have a soul, and I envision the soul as the heart, and if you had x-ray vision you could see scars on this heart from being a human all these years as a nonbeliever, and as a believer being undiscipled in the word of God.  I see these wounds, or these scars, so if you could see someone’s soul, see their, and it looks like a heart there are scars all over, and is there a way of getting rid of these scars?  That’s what’s your saying and yes I hear what you’re saying; there’s a dunamis which is a Greek word for the power of God.  But how does this transaction occur, how do you get rid of the scars?

Katie:  Just like people go in their closet and get on their knees and go “Oh, Jesus forgive me of my sin,” Let’s say they you know, they drank, they went out and they drank some alcohol and then they are totally convicted.  So they go into their closet and they go “Oh Jesus heal me of that sin with your blood, wash me clean of that sin and right now in Your Mighty Name apply your cross to that sin in Jesus Name.”  And so they apply the blood, you do the same thing, you just use the same level of faith, the same coming before the Lord and you go “Now Jesus I’m going to take a second step, I’m not going to stop at the first step, I understand that I need all of you, I need Your cross and I need Your resurrection.”  And so now I’ve partaken of Your blood Lord for my sin and I know that the Bible says when I do that my sin is gone, but now I know I got to deal with the wound that sin made.

Sid:  I want to get rid of those scars because those scars are short circuiting what God has for your life.

Katie:  Those scars are completely controlling the church, okay. Those scars are making people talk to each other, and respond to each other in this horrible way and that’s why people can’t get along.  If you’re a born again believer, two born again believers have no problem getting along in their spirit man, so what does that leave behind, it’s their soul and it’s wounds on their soul.  Paul says, I do the thing I don’t want to do because the sin nature fixed and operating in my soul.  He knew that it was sinning because of the junk that was in his trunk.  We’re all, we’re trying, we’re trying so hard not to sin, we’re trying so hard to walk in righteousness, we’re trying so hard not to scream at our husbands, or our children, or our boss, or to go back to our old ways.  But we can’t just seem to help ourselves, it’s like we’re being controlled by…

Sid:  Are even Christians that become addicts like for instance the biggest addiction right now I know of right now is pornography, it’s hard to believe a Christian could be addicted to pornography, but they are.  And it’s got to do with these wounds in their soul.

Katie:  Yes, that’s what happened that sin of pornography literally wounds then and that wound then does what Paul says, “I do the thing that I don’t want to do because the sin nature fixed and operating in my soul.”  It dries them back to watch it, over and over again and they sit there feel so condemned and they’re like “Oh God, help me stop, why can’t I stop.”  They can’t stop because the wound is there controlling them, driving them.

Sid:  So if the wound was gone all they have to do is stand on a promise of God and it works the way the Bible says it supposed to.

Katie:  Exactly, that’s why Paul Paul’s the guy that says “I do the thing that I don’t want to do because of what’s in my soul.”  And he’s also the guy that said, “I want to know Him and the power, or the dunamis, of His resurrection.”  He was saying look, I’m so aware of what going on in my soul and I have had a revelation that what will get me healed of that thing is the dunamis power that comes through the resurrection, it will cause me to be what dunamis means, excellent of soul.  You know Paul prayed for everybody in Ephesians 3:16 “He prayed I pray that you would be strengthened and reinforced in your inner man (I looked it up that word means the soul) He goes by God’s mighty power, which was dunamis.   So he was praying for us to be filled in our souls with dunamis because he understood that dunamis gets rid of those scars, it gets rid of those wounds that came from our sin and then…

Sid:  Op we’re running out of time Katie, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.  But Mishpochah this is such vital teaching, I mean I wish everyone of us, me included had this understanding when we became brand new believers.  Can you imagine we’re walking around fighting the devil with one arm tied behind our back?

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah she’s been a guest several times on the Messianic Vision. For those that are not familiar with Katie Sousa if you’re familiar with Bonnie and Clyde I affectionately like to say she was Bonnie and Clyde put together.  I mean at her wildest she was doing police were chasing her at high speed chases; she was making her own drugs; she was enforcer of collecting money of people that owed drug debts.  She had a career in radio and TV modeling; in fact Katie you were a model on the Home Shopping Network.

Katie:  Yeah, it was called TelShop on Financial News Network. It was so crazy Sid because I would show up to work and my job was to model the clothes because they would sell these different clothes on this program. But I would come to work high with dope in my pocket and in between the breaks I would jump off the stage run to the bathroom and go do another hit of dope it was crazy.

Sid:  Okay and you also were in a band and you were a drug supplier in Hollywood. I don’t know how a young person can get involved in so much so quickly. You finally you got your due you got arrested and you were…how old were you when you were given twelve and a half years in a Federal Penitentiary?

Katie:  I was thirty-five I believe at the time almost thirty-six.

Sid:  I mean, when you got that sentence how does someone deal with twelve years in a prison?  First of all I don’t think you or anyone else knew how bad it would be to be in prison, but just the shock when you found out 12 ½ years you’re a young woman and the best part of your life is going to be taken away from you, how did you feel?

Katie:  Well, you know I knew what prison was going to be like so I wasn’t liking the idea; I mean I had been arrested twelve times before that final moment; twelve times in one year.  And when they gave me that time it’s like; it’s almost like you’re going into this shock you can’t believe that is going to happen to you.  But praise God at that moment I had already started to come towards the Lord and seek out His presence and all that. He was right at that moment He came in giving me seeds of hope in my heart that He was going to do something amazing for me which He did.

Sid:  Well, and that is what the most wonderful miracle He actually told you you would get out without serving the twelve and a half years and He told you the exact date you would get out.  Did you tell anyone in prison the exact date you were going to get out or did you just ponder that with the Lord?

Katie:  Oh, no, no, no when God gave me the revelation about my new out date, I went out the next day and told everybody in the facility which is like 1,200 women by the end of the day they all heard about it all the counselors heard about it and they were all laughing at me because they thought I was nuts.

Sid:  Now when you heard the exact date was it just the year or was it more exact than that?

Katie:  Oh no, He gave me November 21^st as my date and the number 57 and I didn’t understand the 57 until later, but it came to pass exactly as that because when I got– when I won my case about six months later they gave me my new out date which was November 21^st 2003 which was my 57 month in captivity.  So it was a very specific date.

Sid:  While you were still in prison you were radical for crime; you were radical for the devil literally he had you and knowing you now I know how you are now, but how were you in prison were you just as radical back then?

Katie:  Radical for crime or radical for Jesus?

Sid:  No, radical for Jesus.

Katie:  Well, when I first came in Sid I spent the first year in and out of what they call the hole; out of lockdown; because I was in constant fights, I mean I was attacking COs, I was attacking officers.  And I was getting thrown into the hole over and over again, but at the same time God was coming and revealing Himself to me; He was doing miracles.  Like I would be in the cell down in the hole where they let you have like nothing, there’s freezing cold air blowing in there you’re sleep on a little metal bench, I mean there’s nothing and I would sit there and I’d go “Okay God if you’re real you know bring me a Bible.”  And they would take me out for a shower the next day and I would go in to throw my dirty clothes into the uniform bucket which was usually like stacked to the sky with like dirty uniforms, but there wouldn’t be anything in it but a Bible.  So there was these miracles that happened to me during that year of rebellion.  That strengthened me to pursue God and say wow, this guy is real, this God is real!  And it would cause me to just like get as radical as I was for crime for Him now because He was showing Himself to me.

Sid:  Now you affectionately called your group of friends that were in prison with you “The God Pod” tell me about the God pod.

Katie:  (Laughing) Well, you know God used my “leadership” qualities that I had on the street to be able to lead you know groups of people into these sophisticated crimes and everything else.  He used that leadership quality to lead the women in my pod, in my unit to Christ. So we began to; I began to round up literally round up the pod.  I would stand up in the middle of the pod and go “All right everybody it’s Bible story time, come out here right now.”

Sid:  And if you don’t come out I’ll kill you – no (laughing)

Katie:  You know I’d sit there and I’d teach everybody and then we would learn these songs and people would stand up on the upper tier and the lower tier and we would all be singing away and of course the whole entire unit is like in a glass bubble it looks like in and aquarium and the police are out watching all that.  And so they’d see us you know the upper tier and the lower tier singing these songs and everybody around the tables and I’m preaching, teaching Bible studies and all of us praying and we would have baptisms in the shower where we’d throw people in the shower and baptize them.

Sid:  (laughing) Oh you did have a captive audience come to think about it, I’m teasing.

Katie:  They were sitting there watching us we got deemed the God pod.

Sid:  Now, you were suppose to serve 12 ½ years in a Federal Penitentiary, you were given an exact date.  You told people ahead of time that you were going to be paroled on this exact date, how long did you serve?

Katie:  Well, it ended up that when I won my case I went back to the court and if I can tell a little story it would be really funny.  They wanted to give me more time because they were so angry that I had won the case because they hated my guts.  And so the prosecuting attorney says “Well, were going to put in a motion that you’re going to get more time because this is just an appeals court that you won.  And so he went into the judge and said “Judge I’m putting in a motion that we give her more time but you let me go down there and take all the chemicals that were found at her laboratory and come up and weigh them so I can add on the motion for her to get 20 years instead of 12.  And so the judge agreed.  And so they sent them out to go down to get these chemicals, well what had happened is that while I’m still in prison a year or two prior and women who was the president of the Hell’s Angels she was a girl friend of Hell’s angels the top guy came in through my prison and she was totally, radically saved by Jesus and she had a prophetic word for me saying “That God was going to destroy the chemicals in my case.”  Well, at that time I had already gone to court, they had already weighed the chemicals so I said, “Well, that’s nice but you know they already weighed my stuff it’s too late, she goes “Never the less, that’s what God said and that’s what’s going to happen!”  Well then fast forward to a year and half later and we’re in the court and this guy puts in a motion to reweigh the chemicals so that he can add on to my sentence.  He goes down there to get them, they come back from the recess and he announces sheepishly he announces to the judge that all the chemicals had been destroyed because of the dangerous nature of those chemicals.  And so they had to give me my motion and they took 7 years off my sentence.

Sid:  Rather than doubling your sentence was what he wanted they took seven years off of your sentence.  Well, I have to tell you not only is Katie Sousa radical for God and some of those rough edges have been refined but my wife was listening to the teaching that we’re making available this week, we were driving in the car and we were just listening to it and what a subject.  I mean the title of the four CDs are “Stay Unoffendable” and think about that for a minute.  But Katie I found you almost like a young Joyce Meyer because you are funny, the stories you share I mean my wife was in stitches!

Katie:  (laughing)

Sid:  But I bet it wasn’t funny when you were going through some of these things you were talk about. (laughing)

Katie:  That’s the thing you know, it’s never funny while it’s happening but later on you look back and it’s hysterical. (laughing)

Sid:  Let me ask you kind of a bottom-line if you are offended constantly, and let’s face it everyone has an opportunity to be offended multiple times daily.

Katie:  Yeah.

Sid:  I’m talking about a good believer, I’m not talking about nonbelievers, a good believer it takes no talent for someone to do something that hurts yeah.  A spouse, a child, an employer, a teacher, a pastor. Is it possible to live 24-7 unoffendable you cannot offend me?   I mean really and truly is that possible?

Katie:  Well, two things that I believe that can get you to pout over being offended and that’s one, you got to get rid of the past offenses first, you got to get healed of those because they’ve wounded your soul, that sins wounded your soul probably talk about that in a minute.  And then after you do that you have to get rid of those first, you got to heal those first because they’re controlling you.  Once you’ve spent years or months or even weeks being offended it cause a wounding in the soul.

Sid:  And you know I’m amazed and I’m cutting you off because we’re running out of time, but it’s amazing to me that even gifts of the Spirit are your words of knowledge will not increase if there’s wounding in your spirit.  You physically sick if there’s wounding in your spirit, the promises of God don’t operate in your life.

Sid:  My guest Mary Katherine Baxter had an encounter with God in 1976 that when you find out about it you’ll actually be glad you didn’t have it although I wish more people had it, it would sure change their entire paradigm for this life, this short blink of the eye.  You see for thirty nights in a row she visited Hell, why did Jesus want you to experience Hell Mary Kathryn Baxter?

Mary K:  Because most people don’t believe in Hell, don’t believe there is a Hell and they don’t believe in a lot of the Bible teaching even in Ezekiel 33 about the size of the pits in Hell.

Sid:  Well, let’s take you back to that very first night for your first experience in going to Hell, tell me about what you experienced.

Mary K:  Well, the very first thing when the Lord took me down a gateway, He actually translated me there with Him, He was in human form and I was in the spirit.  And the very first night when He translated me down this gateway there was on the edges of this gateway Sid was demon powers beyond description.  And I was protected with Jesus and we went down into the very base of the center of the earth and Christ said, “Hell has a shape like a human body lying on its back and we would go through the left leg of Hell first.  And you talk about a feeling of being lost, you talk about a feeling of grief and…

Sid:  And so you know what you went to experience it as a nonbeliever even though you were a believer even though you were a believer, is that what you are saying?

Mary K:  Yes, in the beginning okay going down the gateway there was a feeling came over me Sid that it was like my heart and my entire being was lost, I guess you could say it was an experience like a nonbeliever in the beginning.  And everything that was real was like it was not there, your dreams were gone, your hopes were gone, everything that you ever hoped for dream you knew was gone.  And it was like something just took my entire heart or soul and ripped it out and I screamed and screamed to God and I said, “What is this, what is this?”  And He allowed my normal feelings to come back and He said, “That’s how everyone feels that’s been cast into Hell, they’re cut off from the living God.”  He said, “I had to let you experience that and He said ahead of you is a lot of grief and great sorrow.”  And that was the beginning of my journey into Hell and when I came to the base of the thing I had my normal feelings back, it was not like the descending down the gateway and I was glad because the feeling is no, I cannot describe it, it was the most horrible lost, hopeless, no more hope, no more destiny feeling that you could ever, ever imagine.  And it’s hard to put into words.

Sid:  Knowing what you know today about Hell and what it is to be lost and what t he eternal suffering is and the reality of it, is there any way you could backslide?

Mary K:  No, I would never backslide because after seeing what I seen I never, never want to miss Heaven, because after you’ve seen Hell and you’ve seen the reality okay of the judgment on backsliders and you see it on the corrupt society, after you’ve seen this you don’t never feel the same, you don’t want to backslide.  In fact you want to draw closer to God, you want to know more about Him.

Sid:    Well, take me on that journey a little bit more.

Mary K:  Okay, as I’m walking through the left leg of Hell with the Lord we came to these pits, there’s all kinds of holes in the ground and in every hole there is fire and in every hole there’s a skeleton full of dead man’s bones and they have a Skelton form that can talk and can turn and there is like a corrupt on their flesh that grows and burns and falls off back in the fires and their screaming and you can’t tell if it’s a man or a woman until they speak.  And then every twenty-five feet is a demonic force like a demon that’s in the shape of a snake with an Egyptian face or wings of evil demons they would spread and they’re full of corrupt, they’re full of the odor that makes you very very sick you feel sick because of the smells in Hell.  And as you’re standing there with the Lord you look at the face of Christ and tears are coming down His face and He says child for all these I died but it’s too late, He said, “They have rejected me, they rejected the gospel and He said, “It’s too late for these I’m going to show you.”  He said, “This is the judgment of My Father upon sin.”  And this was the left leg of Hell and I stood with the Lord and fires was on the ground, it was very low fires, it was like hot lava had run on the earth it was cracked, burned, dry, you could hardly breathe the air was so hot.  And there was like lights, dim yellow light in a distance and fire, the red from the fires and then it was like a half a mile high above their heads was like rocks hanging down, jagged rocks and I could see well with the Lord way back like I could see one million or more souls burning in this area.  And it began to break my heart and I said, “Lord, what can I do a housewife and a mother whose going to believe me Lord to tell them this story?”  And Christ said, “Come and I want to talk to some of them” and he said, “When I talk to them you will remember what I say and what they say.”  And that’s what He told me and then we begin to walk, He took my hand and we begin to walk among these pits.  And they would, the corpses would reach their bony hand up and turn toward the Lord when He walked by and they would cry and they would tell their stories about how long they had been there, they would talk about…

Sid:  Tell me one specific story that really impressed you.

Mary K:  Okay, it was a woman voice and she used to be a minister of the gospel, she really did and she was talking to the Lord and she said, “She called him Lord, I knew that you would come, I’ve been burning in this place for many years and I cannot die and she said, “If you’ll only forgive me she said, “I’ll never do the sins I did before and I had hatred in my heart and I had murder and the Lord put His hand out towards her and said, “Peace, be still.”  And He turned to me and he said, “Child this woman sins are many He said, “In the beginning of her life she was a preacher of My word He said, “She preached My word” and He said “Then when she was on a trip her husband committed adultery on her and when she came back he told her and asked her forgiveness and she would not forgive him.”  She begin to hate him, she begin to quite reading her Bible, she stopped preaching my word and said that hatred entered into her heart and the woman said, “Yes, it did.”  And she said, “Oh Lord, and she began to repent to Jesus,” she said, “I wish I had never done that.”  She had taken a gun and hatred, the devil really got into her and she killed the other woman and the affair was only I think according to what I heard just like very short and he even repented to the whole church and to her and she killed the other woman, killed her husband and then herself.  And she ended up in Hell, and the Lord spoke about hatred and bitterness and unforgiveness and He told her He said, “Satan tempted her husband and she would not forgive him though he had repented.  And He said to her, He said, “Oh woman if I had only listened to what you preached, if you’d only listed to what My sweet Spirit of forgiveness” and the Lord began to teach and tell her right there in Hell what she had done and we just walked away with her shaking and sobs but no tears would come because she was burning in fire.

Sid:    Let me ask you this question, alright I’m sure people ask you this “Why would a loving God have His humanity suffer so much and never a chance for reversal once they end up in Hell?”

Mary K:  That question I have asked God and I’ll tell you what, the only thing I know is that He’s a righteous God and Heaven cannot contain evil again, Satan was thrown out of Heaven and no sin can ever enter Heaven again, none.  And what I really believe, you know because Satan was thrown out when he tried to overrule God and God is a righteous God, He’s a just God and He gives us chance after chance to repent, woman that Christ spoke to He also said, “He’s given her many many chances to come back and repent but she would not.”  And that was the key was that that the gospel must be preached and the people must have a chance to understand and repent to the Lord and turn around from their sins and I don’t have the answer that you…

Sid:  Now when you see someone that is hardened against the gospel after you’ve shared you must really feel bad for that person.

Mary K:  Well normally we don’t see to many that’s hardened after I talk, the Lord has really really blessed my testimony I go all over the world.  We just finished a TV show yesterday and we did a Hell seminar we just finished.  And Sid another man came and he was in a cubic in Hell he was an atheist and the Lord had mercy on him.  And he was in a cubic thing and the devil and I saw this too the devil gave him false illusion of a false paradise when he first ascended into Hell and he saw his own ancestors had died and went on before him and they were, the demons had camouflaged them and made them look like his relatives.  And he told them this is not real I’m an atheist and I’ve always hated God but this is not real and immediately they turned to demons powers and as he told his story and I told mine the whole church repented, the repented every service because every hard heart was just melted.  People was brought in from the church there to eat and they get warm and they hear the gospel and the hardest of hardest ones would come up and get saved.

Sid:  I think we’re living in a time right now where God’s extending His mercy on people because He knows what’s about ready to happen.

Mary K:  Sid, that’s so true, so true and that’s what we felt like you know.  And Sunday we wept nearly all day from the presence of the Lord He was like an urgency to win the lost they were car loads and bus loads of street-less people come home.

Sid:  You know we’re out of time right now but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, my guest I don’t think she has a choice she must be red hot for the Messiah.  Her name is Mary Katherine Baxter and I ‘m speaking to her home in Melbourne, Florida; and in 1976 she was a mother and a housewife but she had received a very interesting prophecy before this event occurred in her life.  What was the prophecy Mary Katherine?

Mary K:  Well, it was several prophecies Sid, I was a; we had a great church, a great pastor, John Gauzen and as we would have great meetings he was a man that would go to like Full Gospel Business men and different speakers, Shambach and then he would take a team of us there.  A prophet would always call me out, it seemed like I would always be there with my pastor and leaders and he’d say “You young lady, you’re going to have dreams, visions and revelations.”  And then another prophet in our church said, “The day would come when Christ would appear to me and show me a revelation that would shake the nation.”  And I was young in this but I grew up in church; I grew up in Tennessee in the church and so I knew what it was to take heed to the prophets to remember what they said and believe God for it.

Sid:  But I don’t think you were quite ready for what happened to you; these prophesies began to happened to you and you literally experienced going to Hell for thirty nights in a row.

Mary K:  Yeah.

Sid:  And then for ten nights going to heaven, tell me that first time that you had that first visitation to Hell, describe that to me.

Mary K:  My first night was when the Lord appeared to me, alright I was saved and I had the Holy Spirit and I was praying and I was seeking God because my husband worked the night shift and he had come home and went to bed and all the children were in bed and it was my best time to study, I love to study the Bible like waiting on him to come home at night.  And then I would study from midnight till 2:00 I’d be praying, studying and read the Bible because the children were asleep and that was my time.  And that night I was getting ready, I put my Bible up and I was getting ready to go to bed and a brilliancy of light appeared in my bedroom and I began to worship the Lord; high praises come from my soul.  And I looked into the light and out of the light stepped the Lord Jesus Christ.  He was very tall, he had on two piece white garment, he had a beard and a mustache and very trim, very elegant.  He had eyes that was the most beautiful piercing blue that you had ever seen; and my knees went down and my hands went up and I called him King of kings and Lord of lords.  And the feeling Sid that came from Christ, there’s nothing in the world can touch except we go a trip to Heaven, it is the most beautiful, beautiful power of God when the presence of Jesus and the love overwhelms you.  And He spoke to me and He called me by my name and He said, “Kathryn; the Father has spoken you have been chosen by the Lord to go into Hell with me that I may show you the depths, the degrees, the levels and the torments of Hell for the whole world.  And He said, “The day will come when there will be a tape and a book and a movie made out of this and this book shall be in every major language in the world; and He said this is not for a handful of people but it is for the whole world.  And He began to explain to me about my journey, Sid He told me at times I’d think He’d left me but He had not; He told me, “Hell was in the middle of the earth, He told me that for every night for three hours a night He would take me by His power He would actually translate me with Him into the abode of the dead and that He would explain things to me that He wanted me to see, only what He wanted me to know He would show me.”  And He said, “This is very grievous, very sad but He said, that it must be done.”  And He said, “Because the people have lost the fear of God,” He said, “They have lost the fear of God’s judgment and He said with this testimony many will turn back to Me He said and begin to read the Bible and know who I am.  And that’s what He told me.

Sid:  Now, you probably don’t have answer to this but I’ve got to ask it anyway, “Why did He choose you?”

Mary K:  Because He just said so, you know the Lord had spoken and I guess it’s because many people ask “Why didn’t God choose a man?”  And now there’s a man that’s seen Hell; He just said, “Because God had spoken He choose me.”

Sid:  By the way tell me about how you came to the Lord.

Mary K:  Okay, I was a…the first time I got saved I was I think eight years old and then when I was twelve years old, you know how you really the kids go to the altar and they raise their hand and they praise the Lord and they want Jesus in their heart?  Well at eight years old I did that and then when I was twelve a man came to our church and he preached on Hell, he really preached about the power of God and I was twelve years old and I ran to the altar all of us kids did we didn’t want to go to Hell.  And I got born again that day and I was just shaken under the power of the Lord and then when I was nineteen years old I was born again, my experiences has been supernatural with God all my life.  But with this experience Sid it was my child, my first born child and I was in the hospital and she was critically ill; she had been very ill in fact there had been a miracle of miracles happen.  When she was born she was assumed  baby and they had laid her down for dead, my daughter and the doctors and nurses told me that a man came in and he had a white doctors uniform on and black hair but they didn’t know who he was.  And he picked up my child and he gave her mouth to mouth breathing for forty-five minutes and she began to breath and they put her in a incubator.  They told me this later, since then that hospital has been rebuilt and everything.  But anyway it was the third day the said, “If she lived three days her cranial cavity had been crushed and if she lives three days she will be a miracle of God.”  And on the third day I heard music, I heard the most beautiful music and my mother was a praying woman and she had prayed that she heard angels sing for me, she prayed until daylight when they thought my baby would die.  And what happened I saw in my window Sid clouds roll back and a band of angels were standing there singing the plan of salvation to me.  They told me I must repent of my sins, ask Jesus Christ to come in my heart and save my soul and that His blood would wash me clean.  They specifically talked about the blood of Jesus Christ and when I did that with those angels I felt like a waterfall had come up on me, had just washed me and washed me and I knew I was born again, I knew it.  And I begin to shout and pray the Lord and that’s how I was born again.

Sid:  But I have to ask you, a band of angels, about how many of them?

Mary K:  Yes, there were about twenty.

Sid:  And what did they look like to you?

Mary K:  Okay, let me tell you, they were dressed with okay some had long hair, some had short hair okay and they had garments on, they had like lavender, gold colored garments and they were different types, different sizes their garments, some come to the ankles flowing, they had musical instruments one had like a banjo.  One  of the had like a flute, one of them had like they were playing music, one of the them had a guitar shaped like a guitar and they were tall, some of them were shorter and they were standing on the stairway that came from Heaven.  And there was a cloud around these angels and they had golden hair, they had beautiful—one of them had beautiful bright looked like red hair and brown hair, they were just beautiful.  And they begin to just sing to me about Jesus and who Jesus was.  And I’d been to church all my life, all my life since I was a little bitty girl and I had that experience with the Lord.

Sid:  But I’m holding in my hand and we’re going to go into her visitations to Hell and heaven later on in the week but I have a book in my hand called “The Power of the Blood.”  And when I started reading this book a thought crossed my mind, there’s the Mel Gibson movie “The Passion of Christ” and one of the reasons that you wrote this book is you had a vision of Jesus suffering and His crucifixion.  Out of curiosity did you see the movie “The Passion of Christ?”

Mary K:  Yes, a huh.

Sid:  Which was worse your vision or the movie?

Mary K:  The vision was worse than what they showed in “The Passion” because He was beat beyond recognition, He was beat, He was mangled even one…

Sid:  I imaged that if they showed in the movie “The Passion of Christ” what you saw in your vision they probably wouldn’t have been allowed to show that movie.

Mary K:  I know, I know.

Sid:  What impact did that vision have on you?

Mary K:  It had a lot in my life because I realized what He did for me, I really realized that Sid even talking to you what He did for me.  If He had not went to the cross and did what He did for the whole world none of us would be saved, His blood would not have been shed to wash away our sins and it does a lot to you.

Sid:  The book that we’re making available this week “The Power of the Blood” and of course it was written by you with your visions and then from a theological viewpoint T. L. Lowery a very respected Theologian.  Why is there a need to write a book about the power of the blood?

Mary K:  Most people don’t understand what you say about the blood of Jesus and the power and the blood.  The blood washes away your sins; the blood of Jesus will heal your body, even the name of the blood of Jesus.  People need to know that we’re overcomers through the blood of the Lamb and the name of Jesus.

Sid:  You know what I love you talk about not just those areas but you talk about walking in Devine health, you talk about something that we don’t even hear spoken any more, how to plead the blood and how to plead the blood over your circumstances, over fear in your life, bring loved ones to know the Lord.