SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Matt Sorger, and Matt you have got to tell me about the time you bumped into two angels.

MATT: Well Sid, this was right before we started traveling in our prophetic healing ministry. The Lord had commissioned two angels to my life and ministry, to help me do what God had called me to do. I was a pastor at the time; it was on a Monday morning, we were counting the Sunday morning offering. Right in the middle of it God speaks to me and says, “Get up and start to dance right now.”

SID: what has that got to do with counting the offering?

MATT: It has nothing to do with counting the offering. It has nothing, and my natural mind says this doesn’t make sense, but it came from down in here where the Holy Spirit lives and it was rising up and God said, “You have to do this.” So I pushed the money aside, stood up in the middle of the room started dancing around just in worship to God and as I did, there were two secretaries also sitting in the room. Now originally when they saw me do this they started laughing, until the glory cloud came in to the room.

SID: Could you feel it, could you see it?

MATT: It was a tangible, such a strong tangible substance of the presence of God, I didn’t physically see it but you could physically feel it all around. It came into the room, came over me, when it came over on top of me my body hit the floor, I was thrown to the ground physically, my spirit was caught up in to visions, this visitation lasted the whole day, eventually I was able to sit up on the floor, by this time that glory had covered the whole room and as it came over the two secretaries, literally threw them out of their chairs onto the floor, they had no choice.

SID: So it wasn’t just you that had the experience?

MATT: It wasn’t just me, the whole room came under the influence of this glory, it was the glory of God. And as I was sitting on the floor and they are, the ladies are laying on the floor as well, I start to feel these waves of God’s glory going over my head, and suddenly my spiritual vision is open, and God allows me to see into the invisible realm, and I sense behind me an angel standing right behind me, and I would sense it’s wings enfold around me and every time it would a wave of glory would go over my head crash on the two ladies and their bodies would physically bounce off of the floor as the glory of God would hit them. And as I am feeling these waves, suddenly I become aware of the second angel standing over to my right side, and angelic presence there, two angels there now in the room, one behind me and one over to my right, and the voice of God speaks so clearly to me and says, “Matt, the angel standing behind you is an angel of revival, and the angel standing to your right is an angel of miracles, and I commission them today into your life and ministry, they will travel with you, they will go with you wherever you go to help you do what I have called you to do.” And that was just a few months before we started really praying for the sick and seeing outbreaks of the Holy Spirit happen.

SID: Tell me about that person with MS.

MATT: Oh this was phenomenal; this lady had come to one of our services, she had such a severe case of MS she was hospitalized, almost completely paralyzed by it, she came into the service that night and she said to her children, “Tonight is my night for a miracle.” And as she was in the worship time before any person was even involved in this, she was lifting up her hands and worshipping God.

SID: You know something Matt, the atmosphere is changing here in the studio.

MATT: Feel that? It is.

SID: Have your angels shown up?

MATT: I think so, I feel it, yeah. She lifted up her hands see because people are getting faith to receive healing, as she was in worship, had nothing to do with me, God was already performing the miracle she was feeling a tingling on the back of her head, then God speaks to me, “Matt, I am going to heal women with chronic fatigue and MS in their bodies. I call it out, the lady comes forward. God says to me, “Bring her on the platform because that is where I am.” As she stood on the platform the glory of God overshadowed her body without anybody touching her, it was not man, it was God doing this, Holy Spirit touched her, her body fell backwards under the power of God and as she is laying on the floor the back of her head goes on fire, she feels this burning heat and she actually feels the hand reach into the back of her head and she could feel the inside of her head, her brain moving around on the inside, when she gets off the floor every trace of MS is completely gone out of her body. Totally healed, heaviness gone, pain gone, every symptom gone, and I saw –

SID: Is this unusual for someone to feel surgery going on inside of them?

MATT: I think this was an extreme, this was an extreme healing that God, an extreme miracle that God was doing. Because this woman had a severe, sever case of MS. And it was very supernatural. I saw her two years later still totally healed, better than before, new haircut, new clothes, new job, she said to me, “Matt when God healed me he not only healed me physically, he gave me a new job, gave my life a complete makeover.”

SID: Tell me about that woman with the mitro-valve problem.

MATT: The mitro, we had prayed for another lady at one of our conferences in New York where we host our Glory, Signs and Wonders, it was in that conference that the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, “There is a woman with a heart condition, with the beating, and there was some specific things that God had given me about a heart condition, called it out, this woman comes forward to receive, she is standing at the altar, the power of God hits her, and then late she testifies of a total healing that happened in her heart.

SID: Well listen there is power in hearing this testimony and many that have heart problems are going to be healed right now, let’s go to the clip.

He laid his hands on me and I just went down under the power of the Lord. Receive that healing right there, receive that healing right there. (Tongues of the Holy Spirit) There it is. Thank you for a perfect rhythm in the heart, perfect rhythm in the heart, perfect rhythm. And then when he was beginning to preach again he told people they could go back to their seat but those who were still resting in the spirit could stay on the floor, I tried to get up and I couldn’t get off the floor, my hands and arms and legs would move and my head would pull up but my body was stuck to the floor so I just figured well God is not finished with me yet and I stayed there. And later on I did get up and I was a bit drunk in the Spirit, when I got up I was staggering. I had a very powerful encounter with the Lord at that time. So I was healed and I haven’t had symptoms since then.

SID: Sid Roth again with Matt Sorger and something has occurred during that video, the two angels that accompany Matt, tell me if I am wrong but I believe they are here right now.

MATT: They are here; I feel the glory and presence of God moving into this place.

SID: Pray, pray, pray now.

MATT: If you need healing in your body the power of God is here to heal you right now. Actually get up off of your seat, place your hand on the television screen, this anointing is tangible and transferable and there is actually angelic assignments being released through the airwaves right now. I can see even angels of the Lord and the power of the Holy Spirit coming into your living room, someone is watching from your kitchen right now, you have a television in your kitchen, the power of God is coming into your kitchen right now and you are being completely overwhelmed by the Spirit of God. I take authority in Jesus Name over that sickness in your body, there is somebody right now you are being healed of a tumor in your spine, in your lower back area there is a tumor that has been there in the back area, it is dissolving out of your back right now in Jesus Name. I take authority over the airwaves of every sickness, infirmity and oppression from the enemy in Jesus Name, loose healing into your body, I command sickness to go, pain to go, in the Name of Jesus. Father let that glory, Father I pray for a transferable glory to touch every person watching right now and that they would not only be healed but they would know who Jesus Christ is in their lives personally as their healer and savior and Lord, in Jesus Name. Father God I thank you for it right now in the Name of Jesus, every bit of sickness and pain and disease it leaves your body, back conditions, heart conditions, MS, multiple schorosis, chronic fatigue, women with chronic fatigue and MS in your body, fibramyaliga, we rebuke that out of your body, in Jesus Name, I command the fibramyalgia to leave, I command back conditions to be healed in the Name of Jesus I just say receive your miracle even if I don’t call it out God’s power is here to heal you.

SID: Matt, something just happened, someone’s ears just popped, you now can hear, and someone’s back has just been healed, and in your nose, you had difficulty breathing, allergies, clear in Jesus Name. Make Jesus your Lord; tell him you are sorry for your sins, ask him to live inside of you, be a minch, be real, make Jesus your Lord.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Matt Sorger, and Matt as a fourteen-year old boy saw a great miracle. His mother had an incurable illness, medicine, doctors, could not cure here and so as a last resort she tried God, had a major miracles, and Matt saw this. His whole life was transformed, he committed his life to God, but you did something very unusual, you would go into your room every night and listen to worship music. Why did you do that?

MATT: You now I think when Jesus made himself real to me something happened in my heart where I became very hungry for God very quickly.

SID: Did anyone tell you to go in your room and listen to did you have a lot of CD’s?

MATT: No, I had maybe one or two to start with, I had you know my little worship tape that I had gotten and I had some of the songs that they would play in church, and I just remember as a young person, Holy Spirit drawing me and feeling this supernatural pull to just get alone with God. So I would go in my bedroom, I would shut the door, I would put the worship music on and I would start to sing the worship songs and I would pray and I would feel nothing, I thought God where are you.

SID: So you stopped this probably after a week.

MATT: No.

SID: No!

MATT: No I pressed in even more I said God –

SID: This isn’t a natural thing Matt.

MATT: I was, you know what it was, it was supernatural hunger because I would experience God in a church meeting but then when I was alone I wouldn’t feel him, but I wanted to. I wanted to be as close as I could be. So I would just, every day I would sing, I would worship, and I remember I did this every day for about four months. This was when I was a teenager, every day for about four months for hours I would go in my room and worship, worship, worship, worship, worship, worship. And then one day and I remember it like a picture in my mind, I am standing there with my hands lifted up and it was like heaven opened up over me, I was singing a song I had sung a million times before, heaven opened up over me, the glory of God came into my room, the manifest tangible presence of God in the air around, I could physically feel him came over my body, filled the whole room around me, and it was like something in the spirit realm broke open, and from that moment forward I would say I entered into a relationship, an intimacy, with the reality of the person of the Holy Spirit.

SID: Now you told me that all you have to do is say the name Jesus and you are immediately in his presence.

MATT: Yeah, and that’s what began to happen, I became so open in the spirit that I would close my eyes and I would whisper the name of Jesus and as soon as my focus would go on him, I would feel the presence of the Holy Spirit come down over me and around me.

SID: Now you also told me you saw the miracle of your mother and you started praying for people and you didn’t see many results.

MATT: At first I didn’t see anything and that frustrated me, I would be praying for somebody, no healing, no change, and I was saying Lord God there has got to be – the same power that healed my mom when we first got saved, it is real, so we should be seeing it every day now still. And I remember the part of this process of pressing in after God was having a desire to be so close to him and then out of it suddenly things started to change, I remember I would pray for people and nothing would happen, but then all of a sudden it was like the glory, or the spirit of God, the glory was just overflowing in my life to the point where now it would start to touch other people outside of me. So I guess it increased to the point where you know it overflowed and then I would pray for somebody miracles started happening, and people started getting set free and I remember the first time somebody fell on the floor and people watching and they would be like why do people fall over, you know, what are you pushing them over? Let me tell you I was a teenage kid, I would gently put my hand on somebody and when that anointing started to flow and somebody fell on the floor it shocked me just as much as it surprised them. And I remember thinking wow, what is that? Cause it was new for me to see that kind of manifestation.

SID: Listen some of the miracles that are occurring under Matt’s just praying for people is phenomenal, tell me about that person without an ear and without an eardrum, you realize they can’t any doctor would tell you no eardrum, no ear, they are not going to hear, what happened?

MATT: Well over the last five years I would say, we have been seeing these miracles happen, probably thousands of them now, and there was in one service God said he was going to open up deaf ears. So we just started to pray in mass, Lord open up the deaf ears. And the Spirit of God started moving around this place, there was maybe a thousand people there, Holy Spirit started moving around and they brought, my team brought this young twelve-year-old girl up on the platform, cute little girl, long brown hair, as they pulled her hair back I could see she had no ears on the side of her head, just two little holes, and they said to me Matt, this young girl born with no ears, no eardrums, she is deaf from childbirth, she cannot hear. And suddenly the power of God came on her.

SID: Stop for one second. Did you kind of say, “Oh God, what’s going on,” did you inside?

MATT: when you look at it in the natural you know it is impossible, but at that moment I was in the spirit, I was not seeing with my natural eyes, I was looking with the eyes of the Spirit of God, and when you look with the eyes of the Spirit of God the impossible becomes possible, all the limitations are broken off. And there was a gift of faith operating in me at that moment, so I looked at this young girl and the power of God came on her, and instantly she started hearing a
popping on the inside of her head and both of her ears and her, the Lord reached in to her head and recreated eardrums on the inside of her head, popped her hearing open and she heard for the first time in her life.

SID: God has also give you an extraordinary gift of teaching and transferring of the anointing, which goes on in these CD’s we are making available, “Operating In Creative Miracles.” Are people operating in creative miracles that get this teaching?

MATT: Yes, and you know what, the awesome thing about the anointing it is tangible, transferable, people can catch it, and what happens is.

SID: Listen, you are going to catch a miracle in this next segment because I am going to turn Matt loose and Matt is going to turn the Holy Spirit loose, and guess what, you are going to – your goose is going to be cooked. Literally, if you don’t make Jesus your Lord because there is no other way, there is no, you want the real thing, then you must reach out to Jesus, you know I am talking to you, don’t go away.

Sid: Hello, Sid Roth here with Paul Hegstrom and this is so phenomenal, but what happens when you are having surgery and you end up,
did you actually die on the operating table?

Paul: I had no white light experience or anything like that but yes, they did three bypasses on me, sewed me up and put me in ICU and then the heart stopped and they had to rip me open and pump the heart with a rubber glove to get me back on again and the machine…

Sid: What happened to your brain?

Paul: The brain, after they salvaged my life I was out doing seminars and I could see what I wanted to say in my head but I couldn’t say it. I went to the doctor and the doctor says well we were afraid that might happen, you were off, without oxygen for a period of time and you have lost 40% of our brain cells. And I said…

Sid: Your brain cells, they do not regenerate do they?

Paul: They do not regenerate, they will wire around the damage but they will not regenerate so I ended up going into intense research to see how to wire around quickly the damage, and out of that research I came up with things that, scripturally, and in the neurobiological standpoints of study that were just phenomenal, I learned things that are out of the box…

Sid: You learned how to rewire the brain.

Paul: To rewire the brain, and see that’s why when we have been wounded in childhood and we are struggling with, let’s say the DSM-4, the diagnostic standard used for mental health that we medicate and manage emotions but we don’t see rewiring of the brain.

Sid: Now your brain is obviously rewired by just hearing you talk to me right now.

Paul: Yeah, and I can even talk faster.

Sid: Praise God, you’re going just as fast as I love.

Paul: But I started to see how to rewire the brain to the point that I actually have pictures on my power point when I do seminars that show new axons coming out of the neuronal structure and developing and moving in and then attaching the synapse to the dendrites and how that works and you could actually see that as we fast forward the slides and so what I found out in research was that for lack of knowledge my people perish, Hosea 4:6, and so the program is set up so that it challenges the brain, we are having stroke victims that are responding, because if you will challenge the brain the brain will literally start it’s rewiring process and will wire around the damage and so it took me about three years and I had rewired totally around a  40% loss in the way the brain thinks and here we are having the time of our life to the point that we have major universities that are studying how we rewired according to the word of God, and see the thing that is so exciting about it, the renewal of the mind, it’s in the scripture.

Sid: But you told me something at dinner last night that I knew, but I needed to be reminded how important it is to not read the Bible, yes you heard me correct, not read the Bible, but meditate on the Bible, what does that mean? In the Hebrew the word meditate means to mumble, or say it out loud, why is it important to say the Bible words out loud?

Paul: Well I could do a whole show just on the thalamus, but that happens is the limbic system is where the software for what we need from our Creator to be whole, that’s where it lies, and anytime you think something, internally it is an option, you only move it from an option to a decision by speaking the word, because your thalamus will not obey anybody else, it will only obey your voice, and that is why there is scripture in Revelation that says we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony, so I have challenged people in the last two or three years if you are reading the scripture don’t read it internally to yourself, read it out loud because what is happening as you read scripture it is coming out of your mouth, you are the authority over your body, bringing down the strongholds, bringing into captivity the imagination and choosing upon what you think, and that is Paul’s writings, when you speak it your thalamus comes into submission to it and it will change, and when we speak our decisions and we read the word it rewires the brain.

Sid: Tell me how the brain responds to truth, or as Pontius Pilate said, “What is truth?”

Paul: You see the fun thing of it is that everybody that is watching, if they have a computer, they have spell check, that’s just kind of a natural thing, but God put in our brain a truth checker, and He says to know the truth, and truth will set you free. And the problem with even the body of Christ right now is they are not given the basic truth that people need to understand to be set free, yet when you hear something, I went to counseling and I knew that certain types of therapy were absolutely wrong, I mean it was just totally wrong, I knew it, but they were forcing me into trying this to manage my emotions, but when God started dealing with me I knew truth, and as we talked last night and there were several people around, I would say something and they, instantly they knew it was true, it just made sense, it all fit, and see one of the reasons we struggle so hard…

Sid: Listen one of my staff members read your book, Broken Children, Grown Up Pain, and she said a light bulb went on and literally she started changing once she saw truth.

Paul: Absolutely, and see that is why we wrote the book because the things we wrote in the Broken Children book are things that have never been written in mental health, and yet it is based on the word of God, God gave us the process, He never meant for us to be struggling, He never meant for us to lay on a psychiatrists couch for 14, 15 years, he never meant that, He meant for us to beable to understand what was going on and start a healing process which I call the process of sanctification, or growing up basically, and then we become effective in our process, and it becomes like somebody is hurting worse than me and I’ve been there so I grab their hand and pull them through and they start getting better and they grab somebody we are walking together.

Sid: What happens with someone that perhaps has problems with pornography, problems with perhaps wanting the wrong sex for a wife or for a husband, problems in these deep things, problems with attention deficit disorder, things like that, what happens when their brain gets rewired?

Paul: What happens is they start going through the program that our Creator put in there and so much of the time with what we do with life skills is we don’t even know that we are dealing with couples that are gravitating toward the same sex, we don’t know they have ADD, we don’t know some of these things, but as the program works and they allow the information to go into the software, and into the hard drive, the thalamus, the limbic system it starts that maturing process, it talks about growing up, and that is what Paul said in Ephesians four, we have been babies long enough, and he is talking to the adult church, we have been like ships without a rudder falling for everything, standing for nothing, we need to come to full stature, all it is, is a growing up process, and we have got to understand what it takes in the software to help us start the maturing process, and it is all in the word of God and …

Sid: And you know what is amazing to me Paul, is what you are telling me is that science is catching up with what we have in the Bible that Jesus said two thousand years ago.

Paul: Yes.

Sid: Science is just beginning to understand this.

Paul: That’s true, and we have, I don’t want to name it right now but we have a major university that got a huge grant to study what we do because they are doing brain scans on our people, the court ordered men who are arrested for domestic violence, they are doing brain scans on these men at the intake and then they go through Life Skills, they do a brain scan on the outside, a post brain scan and the brain has changed so drastically they can’t believe it, they say Hegstrom you are out of the box, you don’t think like we think. No, because I try to think like God thinks. And I don’t know how God thinks but He is showing me just little nuggets that are bringing healing to people beyond your wildest imaginations, I’m so excited, I have been in this 25 years and I can’t sit still.

Sid: I am excited oh what happened to that woman you divorced, what is going on now?

Paul: We remarried 23 years ago the first of December and we have not had any incidences of domestic violence in any way.

Sid: Listen, Paul tried to reenact what he is telling us right now for documentary of it, he couldn’t even act out an abusive husband, he wasn’t able to do it, his brain is rewired, or as God says, renewed. Get the Bible, it’s called the truth book, you are going to know the truth and the truth is going to set you free. This is your moment to make Jesus your Lord, go for the gold.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Karen Mayer Cunningham, we’re discussing her son James, who your doctor, who is no longer with us, but we have a videotape of what he had to say about James, actually called him a miracle. Tell me about James today.

KAREN: Oh, James is wonderful, he is fourteen years old, he is six foot tall, he is an athlete, he bowls in league, this year he played football, basketball, he is now throwing the discus, he just plays at a track meet, and he is just a wonderful young boy now.

SID: Even the newspapers are writing him up as an athlete.

KAREN: Yes, lead scorer of his section of the “C” team so he is doing phenomenal, you know academically he is still behind a few years, he lost five years of his life, he is about on a fifth grade level, but he is in eighth grade and he is in three resource classes but all the other classes he goes to regular classes with inclusion help, and so you know God continues to make up for that time the enemy stole from us.

SID: I understand that he can even move in the gift of prophecy now, someone that was non-verbal; that used to chew the plaster boards, I mean he would knock his head against the board, and then he would eat it, which I have the bills for.

KAREN: Yes, he was eating our house.

SID: I mean when you were drinking and desperate and realizing that you were going to lose your son to an institution, I mean you must have been as hopeless as a human could be.

KAREN: I didn’t, I didn’t know there could be anything worse, I didn’t think you could be worse and be alive and not literally in prison, and you know God has turned all of that around. A couple of years ago we were at church and his Sunday School teacher came up to me and she had tears flowing down her face and she said, “I just talked to James and he gave me a prophetic word about the sixties and just very gently told her that God wanted her to forgive this person she had kept bitterness for and then just went back to playing or whatever they were doing, and that, you know he has a call on his life just like all of us do. Not to eat the sheetrock, that is not God’s purpose for his life, God wasn’t trying to punish me or teach me something, but he has destiny on his life and we have to stand and believe for our kids, our family, our loved ones to have everything that God has ever planned for them.

SID: Let’s take a look at the doctor actually, it is a Jewish doctor, actually calling this a miracle.

DOCTOR: From the reports I see now it is nothing short of a miracle, I mean this young boy is now vocal, verbal, appropriate, responsive, eating nicely, healthy, so you know it is just one of those situations you have to chalk up to something maybe higher than what we have in the medical field.

SID: that’s pretty good for a Jewish doctor that doesn’t know the Messiah to say that about James.

SID: Well tell me a bit about James today, in fact, I’ll tell you what, better than you telling me a bit about James today, you’ve already done that, let’s have James talk about James today.

MUSIC: From the very start the enemy You tried and tried and tried and tried To steal the very gift God has given to you, so the world can die You cannot be silent no You cannot be quiet no You are healed You’ve got the word that the world needs to hear You are healed You were made to shine

SID: Well Karen, are you pretty proud of your son James?

KAREN: He is the light of my life I am absolutely so proud of him.

SID: And what I understand is when people hear your story, how many people have been healed of autism just by listening to your story?

KAREN: We know of seven families.

SID: But what are people saying when they read your book, it is not just for people that have children that have autism.

KAREN: No, absolutely not, it is about bringing hope to people that have lost hope, they have no more faith and they believe that they are stuck in this situation and the word from their doctor or from their situation or from their finances or from their relationships, and Jesus said that ‘by his striped we were healed’, thirty-nine stripes for thirty nine strains of diseases, every disease disorder and situation comes from thirty nine groups, and we can be healed from all that, we have to stand and believe and receive. And so that is what this is, for people to know they can be healed from anything, whatever it is, broken physically, emotionally, spiritually.

SID: What I was told by my staff is they wanted their children to even read this more than one time. Why would someone want to read this more than one time?

KAREN: I think because it really touches on different areas of your life, you know initially I thought it would help people with Special-Ed kids, but thee are so many parts in our lives that are broken, that aren’t whole or well, and that God wants to get in and heal every single part of them.

SID: You know what I was thinking; now you know James today, we know James a little bit today from what we have seen, but it would have been so easy if you had known what was wrong with him to abort him.

KAREN: You know I would have never done that, you know when you walk out what God gives you he gives you the strength to walk it out, and the reason you walk stuff out is so somebody behind you can go, “Oh Sid walked that out, Karen walked that out, I can walk that out too.” And there is a purpose in it.

SID: Well thee are some people that want to do more than walk it out with a purpose, they want to walk out of it, would you look at them and talk to them and pray for them?

KAREN: Yes, yes, I just want you to know whatever situation you are in and whatever, or however you come in today, whether hopelessness or despair, God is ready to meet you wherever your need is. His hand is not shortened because of your condition, disease or disorder or situation, and don’t stand and believe the report of the doctor but stand and believe the report of the Lord, because that is what we are supposed to stand upon, and if I can just pray for you. Father we just thank you, we thank you for your healing powers, we thank you that your name is Jehovah Rapha, that you are the God that heals, that if it is in your name and in your will, and Father we just thank you ahead of time for open doors , open eyes, open minds, to show each and every family whatever their situation is how to walk it out and to walk into their destiny with freedom and wholeness and healthiness and to be a light to this world to know that God is the God who delivers us from all of our oppressions, obsessions, and possessions Father, we just thank you ahead of time for these good reports that are going to come in, whole children, well children, purpose lives, full lives, we thank you ahead of time in Jesus Name.

SID: Now one of the things that you said to me is that even before your son had his deliverance you played praise music and you could actually see improvement in him.

KAREN: Yes, yes, praise music is so important, you know worship is ushering in the presence of God and so as they sleep as it is in the room that brings in the presence of God and when you have that there the enemy must flee, he must flee and as adults we have to stand in the gaps spiritually for our children that are under eighteen years of age, we have to do that, we have to know that whatever comes into their ear or eye gate is permeating their spirit and we have to be responsible for that.

SID: what other things did you do practically beyond the praise music in this process, in the healing of James?

KAREN: We had to not give in to James, James behavior had run our lives for so many years we had to stop, you know, pandering to him, we had become the child and he had become the parent, and so the enemy had to flip the script on us and we had to go back into our correct roles, that we were the parents and he was the child and when we said something it stood and when we said thee would be discipline if this happened, then it stood, not just always giving in to him because of his situation or his condition, and that set up a system of structure and discipline and order, and we serve a God of order. And our house was out of order.

SID: I’m reminded of the words that Karen was told, “it is time,” that’s pretty profound words, first you had a concern, a worry about how could deliverance help your son, but you know something, it is time, heaven is drawing so close to planet earth, things that you have been believing God for in the past, that you have been standing and standing and standing, well I have a word for you. It is time. It is your time, it is time. Forget what happened in the past, a brand new beginning, it is time for you to know God, it is time for you to have the joy, it is time for – it is plain time for you to have peace, there is a Hebrew word for peace, it is shalom, shalom radiating out of every fiber of your being, not fearful of anything, not fearful of sickness, not fearful of death, I mean if you are not fearful of sickness, if you are not fearful of death, not fearful of financial problems, you would be at peace. Not fearful of relationships because you know God. You have such intimacy with God. God is telling me that people’s backs are being healed right now, and necks, pain of all kind is just lifting off of you, but I want the biggest pain to lift off of you, the pain of carrying the sins of the wrong things that you have done, if you believe that the blood of Jesus washed away these sins it is time for you to take those sins off of you and say, I believe the blood of Jesus has washed me clean, it is not something you do, it is what he has done. You just receive what he has done and if you will say out loud, I make Jesus my Messiah and Lord, do it right now, it may seem insignificant, but my whole life was transformed when I did it, so will yours, do it now.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Karen Mayer Cunningham and you son James had autism and it was, tell me how bad it was. Some of the worst things you remember.

KAREN: I remember some of the worst things were the words other people used, I remember his Special Ed teacher who was wonderful, but she said he was a monster, he was so bad he had to have his own aid just for him in class, we had “Any Baby Can” took him for a day a month, MHMR in Texas, we had twenty hours of straight rest, but he was out of control, he would make himself vomit up to fifty times a day.

SID: Was he verbal, did he speak much?

KAREN: No, probably twenty words, mostly pointing, cup, hot, no, like a little, like you know, a two-year-old. He was stuck here.

SID: He had tantrums?

KAREN: Oh he had tantrums all the time. He was inconsolable, insoothable, there were never beginnings or endings to his tantrums, and you never knew what would cause them and so we did everything to pander to him to keep him calm, to keep him happy. We would play video tapes non-stop an hour, and he would eat, he was eating our house, he pulled up the carpet, he would eat the foam under it, he pulled the wallpaper off the bathrooms and ate that, and you know you begin to live in this bubble that becomes your truth, and becomes this little war zone and you want to protect it because it is your family but it was unbearable.

SID: Well let’s take a look at what his doctor had to say about it.

DOCTOR: I saw James the first time a few years ago, about three years ago, where he was about three and a half years old, I got to tell you it was a little shocking to me, I’ve seen a lot of various diseases, conditions, behaviors, but little James, I have got to tell you took the cake on this one. He was exhibiting erratic behaviors, uncontrollable, inconsolable, frantic attacks, tantrums; he was quite pale, non-verbal, gruntings, noises, total lack of attention. I always like to believe that I feel there is unlimited hope for people and their conditions, but with James the severity of his condition the bizarre behavior, I mean, I couldn’t help it, I thought this guy is going to be institutionalized for life, nothing can be done for him. Of course then I thought, well maybe some test hadn’t been done, maybe he has got an electrolyte imbalance, maybe there is a tumor in his head, something that could account for these unusual conditions. I got to tell you at the onset I thought there is no hope for this guy.

SID: Sid Roth here with Karen Mayer Cunningham and we are discussing your son James, and a group of people that pray for spirits to come out of people, demons to come out of people said to you, it is time. What did you do about that?

KAREN: Well I moved on that, they are a group that has a specific gifting and I believed them, I believed in their anointing from God and so we took him in February 17th, 2000, it was a Thursday at four o’clock at our church and we were just in one of the Sunday School rooms and James sat on the floor and began to rock, and he wanted to go, go, go, go, get in front of the door and so the team had my husband pick him up and hold him and they just laid their hands on his back and prayed that the first demonic curse would go, and in Jesus Name that the dry places never to be here again, and my son reached his hand back and screamed, come back, come back, come back, come back, come back.

SID: When you were watching that what did you think?

KAREN: I thought I cannot believe this, I cannot believe this just happened, it was so real, he had never said the word come or back, and he was screaming out.

SID: That’s right, he wasn’t verbal.

KAREN: No he was screaming out for the thing, begging for that thing that was leaving him to come back and at that moment we were all changed. The manifest presence of God was so heavy and so humbling and I believe God did that because he had every intention of healing him and he is completely healed.

SID: Now immediately, I know there were gradual things that occurred, but immediately could you tell a difference and what was it?

KAREN: He was a marked difference, and the first thing he was, was peaceful, which is part of the kingdom of heaven, and thee was a calmness about him and you know that is the child that God purposed for my life, not an out of control, rabid animal in my house. And from that day he got better and better and better and God has continued to restore his mind daily.

SID: Well how would you like to see James

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Mindy Seta, you just saw a part of that special DVD, you are going to see a little bit more, Mindy, why should people want to dance Jewish dances?

MINDY: Well one of the commandments is that we should worship the Lord with our hearts, soul and strength. In Deuteronomy 6:4 through 9 it talks about this, and this is the only way that I know of just encompassing your whole being unto him.

SID: You know the other thing is that God is knitting Jews and Christians together and I can’t think of a better way of knitting Jews and Christians together where your spirit, soul and body, every fiber of your being is worshipping God, picture a Jewish person and a non-Jewish, oh that
reminds me, you had a second blessing on Rosh Hashanah.

MINDY: Yes, the Lord brought me the most wonderful husband Ralph, and it was a very difficult time for all those years before, my husband left, my first husband left me and the Lord brought Ralph, and Ralph, you know that was what we were married, we were married with Yeshua as our center, the scripture from Ephesians that we would be One New Man together in him, what was our marriage.

SID: Ralph is a dancer also.

MINDY: Yes.

SID: And a lot of people think in terms of female dancers, but you know one of the things about Jewish dance, it breaks down, there is no Jew, there’s no Gentile, there is no male, there is no female, yes in the natural there is, but in the Spirit we are, as Mindy said, one new humanity. One New Man. Now what supernatural thing happened that you knew you were to marry Ralph?

MINDY: Well we went out for coffee when it was okay to do that, we went out for coffee the very first time and we were driving in the car to go have a cup of coffee and Ralph was speaking with me, and the Ruach, the Holy Spirit, this wind was rushing as he spoke, it was tremendous, and he was speaking words but I heard the rushing, the rushing of God’s Spirit coming forth, and as he was talking I knew that we were going to get married. And then we had dinner and we were going to get married. Right away almost.

SID: Mindy, I want them to see something from your DVD in which you teach anyone, you know people by themselves can do this because you need healing too, you need worship too, dancing these Jewish dances and we are going to have a song called “Morning.” What is this about?

MINDY: This is about waking up and coming close to the Lord, through his word, tasting the word, experiencing him, offering ourselves to him for the day that he could do with us as he would like.

SID: Okay the first excerpt is going to be how to do it, the next excerpt that you are going to see, you will see people actually worshipping God in the dance. Let’s go to the “Morning.”

MINDY: So we are going to start off holding hands and we will go counter clockwise. Our first step we are going to start off with walks, we are going to walk right, left, right together, right. And then we are going to continue along the line of the dance with a left, right, left together, left. Very easy, let’s do that again. Walk, walk, right, left, right, and left, right, left together left.

SID: Okay I hope you don’t have two left feet or two right – can anyone do this Mindy?

MINDY: Anyone can do this; if you have a heart to worship the Lord then you can dance.
And we encourage people who have never danced to dance, to try it, and just to enter in.

SID: Is it simple enough for people like me?

MINDY: Yes it is.

SID: That have two left feet?

MINDY: Yes and because you are a man Sid, it is even better, sweeter, it’s wonderful.

SID : Okay, now let’s see what this looks like when you are not just being taught but actually a demonstration of the dance; let’s go to Morning again.

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SID: I’ll tell you Mindy, you look like you are having fun at dancing.

MINDY: Yeah, it is the best. It is the best to rejoice before the Lord and praise him.

SID: But you know what is even more amazing to me is that scripture that were talking about before we just went on the air of Zephaniah 3:17.

MINDY: Yes, he will rejoice over you with gladness. But what struck me that was so wonderful is the Hebrew root for rejoice, means to whirl around, and so I always dance as though he is dancing with me, he is rejoicing over me as well.

SID: So as you are dancing in the circle he is dancing around you whirling around you, but guess what, there is another part to that verse in Zephaniah 3:17. It says:

And one translation I read said “He will smother you with his kisses.” Can you picture that? Can you picture being lonely when God the Creator of the universe is whirling around you and smothering you with his love? You know Mindy said Isaiah 53 was so important. You know that was written 800 years before Jesus came to earth? I read that to my Orthodox Jewish father, he said “Stop, you are reading about Jesus.” I said, “Dad, stop, this is from the Jewish Tanakh, the Jewish prophet Isaiah.” It sounds exactly like Jesus. If it sounds exactly like Jesus, guess what? It is Jesus. Jesus is the King of the Jews. And he wants you to worship him in the dance, he wants you to worship him in the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening, it is not just on Saturday, not just on Friday night, not just on Sunday, no, no, no. It is 24/7, it is the whole purpose of life, it is the whole purpose of your being, what are you waiting for? The water is so cool and gentle. Jump in, say “Jesus I make you my Lord and Savior.”

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Mindy Seta, and Mindy, on Rosh Hashanah of all Jewish Festivals, what does Rosh Hashanah mean to you?

MINDY: Well now it means “a new beginning,” that’s the day that the Lord revealed himself to me, it was my new beginning as a believer in him.

SID: All right, so you called your girlfriend, who is Jewish but believes in Jesus, and you don’t want anything to do with her, but now you do, so when you get her on the phone, what happens?

MINDY: Well I called her and I said, “Helene, happy Rosh Hashanah, this is Mindy, I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, what do I do, where do I go to church?” And she, I didn’t know she was still Jewish, but she was of course. And she said “Well I am going to Rosh Hashanah services, and I was shocked, I thought why, I thought you were a Christian. She said “No, I’m a Jewish person who believes in the Jewish Messiah.” And she asked me if I would like to go to service and I thought well okay, how much are tickets, because usually you have to buy tickets.

SID: Of course, churches have offerings and synagogues you buy tickets, seats.

MINDY: Exactly, but she said no, there is this place it is called the Messianic Synagogue, and we celebrate Rosh Hashanah, would you like to go? And I said well yes, of course. So she told me where it was, it was brand new, it was in California, it was only two months old, and so I walked in, I went and I met her there and it was amazing, because there was every nationality of people there, and there was traditional liturgy about Rosh Hashanah and Yeshua, Yeshua was in the liturgy, and I said what is Yeshua, who is Yeshua? And I was told that Yeshua is Jesus’ Hebrew name and I was, because I never knew that you could be Jewish and believe in him. And it was wonderful, it was wonderful to go there and all of a sudden being Jewish and going through the first fall feast as a believer in Yeshua, the holidays came alive, because they are his appointed times with us And it was tremendous, and it has been tremendous ever since.

SID: You told me about this one woman that came toward you and she was wearing a Jewish star around her neck.

MINDY: Yes, yes, I had never been to church and there were many people, I was so overwhelmed by all the people and just that I could even be here, this young gal who at that time was about my age came up to me and introduced herself and you know I said are you Jewish, and she said no, but I love the Jewish Messiah, my Jewish Messiah. And I was so deeply touched in my heart, that has been, besides Yeshua, that has been the most impacting thing in my life.

SID: But you know you told me that you loved it but you really had some difficulty getting into the worship and the dance and everything, and one day you go for a class of Jewish dance, what happened?

MINDY: Well after all the holidays were over, the regular services started and they had the weekly praise and worship, which to me was forty long, grueling minutes that I had to sit there, I couldn’t stand it, go outside. And they offered very early on, they said we are going to start doing Messianic dance, and I thought okay, dance, will maybe that would make the time fly, maybe I should go because I am embarrassed to sit outside while they do this, and I went, and we started doing some folk-style type dances, dances in a circle together. And we were doing something that was just very easy, almost walking around, just raising our arms to the Lord and thinking about the song and a scripture and something happened, it was as if Yeshua himself reached down and pulled me up to his place, to the Throne Room perhaps, or to the Holiest of Holies, it was so impacting, and what that did is it changed my worship forever, I didn’t dance for a while, but when I went to Shabbat services, weekly services…

SID: How did it change you?

MINDY: Suddenly I was able to enter into the worship, suddenly that worship, that place of worshipping him was real and present, and he was present. And I didn’t dance for a while because I didn’t know how to dance; I just was able to sit at his feet to worship, to praise him.

SID: Now when you made this mega-jump to what I’ll call intimacy with God, rather than on the outside looking in, you are now on the inside, you are in the inner courts, you have intimacy with God, your husband has a problem, what happened?

MINDY: Yes, at the time because I was newly married, I was only two months of married person and then over this course of a few months I became a born-again, on fire, zealous excited woman, not only for Yeshua, but for all of these Jewish festivals, that he is, he is. And it was very difficult, my husband at the time hated it, hated me, hated the word, hated Judaism, hated everything.

SID: So why didn’t you just leave belief in Jesus, why didn’t you just leave that synagogue, why didn’t you just leave the dancing?

MINDY: I offered, I offered to do whatever he would want me to do and we tried different places and it was really the Holy Spirit in him, he couldn’t, it wasn’t about me, it wasn’t about him, it was about him not being able to, I guess, come to a place, he couldn’t stand, he loathed, he loathed it.

SID: Now when you dance tell me what goes on, when you are dancing Jewish dance.

MINDY: When I am dancing Jewish dance it is as if I am dancing with Yeshua face to face.

SID: Now you grieved a lot when you were divorced, how did dance fit into it, did it help you?

MINDY: We stayed married after I became a believer almost, well for seven years and I started dancing very shortly after I became a believer. It was so miserable at home so much of the time that when I would dance it relieved, it took it all away, it took all of the pain away, it was still difficult, life is difficult sometimes, but being able to express your love and sense the presence of the Lord, is tremendous, and that dance, that worship did that.

SID: And you know what is amazing is Mindy is telling me that many people get physical healings when they dance, they get especially emotional healings. Is it fair to say that the only relief you had when you were going through that turmoil was when you were dancing to God?

MINDY: Yes, it is very fair to say that and it was difficult at the same time I had to pray a lot because, because I would have so much joy while I was dancing and I felt a little guilty, like maybe I should be miserable all the time. But the Lord doesn’t want that.

SID: It’s a very Jewish, very Jewish feeling. Tell me one quick story of someone that had a wonderful thing happen because they did Jewish dance.

MINDY: Well at our workshops we, it is open to everybody, for people with no experience and people with lots of experience, we had a lady who really had to, she just had an aching and yearning desire to worship the Lord in dance and she hadn’t before and she came and we offered prayer during that, and she expressed that she had chronic back pain, she really couldn’t dance but her heart’s desire was to, and so she danced and moved and we prayed for her, and we got an email and call from her later that she was healed.

SID: As you know I have been involved in a lot of Messianic Jewish congregations, especially in my early years, and the place that the greatest presence of God is in these Messianic Jewish synagogues is on the worship and on the dance, and I love the title of your DVD, it is called
“Teach Your Feet to Praise the Lord.”

On “It’s Supernatural,” § music § Discover the miraculous power of dance.

Do angels exist? Are healing miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance?

Sid Roth had spent twenty-five years researching the strange world of the supernatural.

Join Sid on this edition of “It’s Supernatural.”

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. Do you know medical doctors have found that movement is a healing force, and there are actually twelve  hundred dance therapists, because Mindy Seta, it is amazing that medical science is finding that there is healing in movement, in dance, how much greater when one is dancing Jewish dances to God? I can’t think of a better combination.

MINDY: No, I can’t either, it is awesome.

SID: But you were not always a Messianic Jewish dancer. Tell me a bit about your upbringing.

MINDY: Well I was born in a conservative Jewish home, and we celebrated Hanukah, and we celebrated Rosh Hashanah, and Passover. These were just the traditional holidays that we celebrated at our home but it was just about tradition, there wasn’t anything really spiritual about it.

SID: Well where did God fit in?

MINDY: God didn’t fit in at all.

SID: He didn’t fit in.

MINDY: No he didn’t, he didn’t. I knew God was out there but it wasn’t a part of my Jewish

upbringing and it wasn’t until I became a believer in Jesus and Yeshua the Messiah that all of the Jewish holidays and festivals that I grew up with made sense and came alive.

SID: Well lets take you back a little bit, you get married to a non-Jewish man and he is involved in Hollywood and the film industry.

MINDY: Yes, yes.

SID: And so everything is going fine and then you have a discussion “when we have children how will we raise them.” Tell me about that discussion.

MINDY: Well we didn’t have any of those discussions before we got married, we were very  secular, very worldly, and religion was not in the mix of our life. And right after we got married he made a suggestion that we should, you know, maybe go to church or synagogue if we have kids to raise them in something.

SID: Had you ever been to church?

MINDY: No, I had friends who were, you know, Catholic, but we never talked about God. He actually was from a Baptist family but we never talked you know, about God, though I did believe in God. But after he asked that question, because I did believe in God, I prayed. And I had been praying every day, some things happened in my life that I prayed to God, but it wasn’t necessarily Jesus, it was just the universal god.

SID: So what did you pray when this issue came up of church or synagogue?

MINDY: Well I got down on my knees and I prayed God.

SID: We Jews don’t get down on our knees, did you see too many movies?

MINDY: Well I just thought I should, I got down on my knees, he wasn’t around at this point and I got down on my knees and I said, “God there is this fifty percent chance, and I have to go to  church, and church means Jesus, and I have always been taught that Jesus isn’t our God, our Messiah, and so let me know if he is, and I am willing to believe, but just show me.” And I prayed that prayer and the day I prayed that prayer interesting things started to happen.

SID: Coincidences.

MINDY: Yeah, coincidences.

SID: Like what?

MINDY: Well that particular day we went to the mall, after, you know, that was the morning, we went to the mall, and we were at just a regular mall and we went by this bookstore and there was this display of books, it just happened to be there, the book called, “Jesus In Interview Across Time.” It caught my eye because there it was, Jesus, so I walked over and I was looking at the bulletin points on the back and it said, it was an interview with Jesus from the perspective of a psychiatrist interviewing Jesus on his couch, asked him why he thought that he was the Messiah.

And I thought well that is interesting, I just wondered if he was the Messiah, and so I read the points. Jesus was born in a Jewish home. Jesus, you know, this and that, but I thought interesting

I prayed that prayer, maybe that is a sign from God, and I thought I’ll buy the book, I’ll read it and I’ll see. And so I bought it and it was so interesting and I read it, and as soon as I read it I just said, well okay, that’s interesting I think, God, I prayed, I want to see what is so not Jewish about Jesus. And I had a Bible that has been a coaster for many years and I think…

SID: Well that’s better than most people, they just bury it somewhere in a drawer.

MINDY: Yes, so I thought I will start in the Jewish part of the Bible, the Old Testament, that’s the Jewish part and I want to just see what is so not Jewish about Jesus. And I started reading, and I started reading, and by the way I tried, since I had a Bible, to read it before, but I would get past the first page and I just thought, I can’t read this, I don’t even know what it is saying. But I was just reading and reading and I wanted to gobble it up and there was so many things in there that to me were screaming, screaming Jesus, especially the scripture, the whole book of Isaiah, but especially Isaiah 53.

SID: You know when I read Isaiah I feel like I am reading the New Testament and yet he is one of our guys.

MINDY: Exactly, I thought how can this be in there, this is screaming Jesus, and I finished it and it happened to be I finished it, it was on a Jewish Holiday of Rosh Hashanah and we were secular, my family wasn’t doing anything, and it just happened to be and by the time I closed that Old Testament book, I had heard the story of Jesus around, but I just thought, he is the Messiah

and I got down on my knees and I prayed, “God I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, please come into my heart, forgive me of my sins.” I must have heard Christian people around you know.

SID: I was just going to ask you.

MINDY: But I knew that was what I was to pray.

SID: By yourself you did it.

MINDY: By myself and I prayed and that’s what happened. And the next thing I had to do is I felt like I had to talk to somebody, I needed to know where I should go to church and so.

SID: So who did you pick?

MINDY: Well there was this friend of our family who used to be Jewish, and she turned Christian. What I thought, she was, I want to say her name but she is my testimony, and she was Helene, the born-again Christian, she would came and she would start sharing about Jesus and everybody would run. But I had to call her.

SID: Would you run?

MINDY: Not anymore.

SID: But before?

MINDY: Yes, I would never go near her because she just would corner you and start talking  about Jesus and I would say, “Helene is going to be there, I am not going to go.” But I knew that I had to call her because she used to be, what I thought she used to be Jewish.

SID: Listen when she calls Helene, imagine what happens.