Sid:My guest Al Houghton I’m speaking to him at his home in Anaheim, California.  Let me tell you a story a fellow that I went to college with he’s been a believer well over 30 years.  He has graduated Bible school, he has taught, he has been involved in many levels of ministry and he got a hold of this teaching the covenant of sure mercies and he said, “Sid you’ve got to listen to these tapes.” And this is what he told me he said, “I’m going to devote the rest of my life to teaching people how to understand this covenant.”  So I got a hold of the tapes and I spoke to Al Houghton and I said, “I’m really interested in…” and Al told me that he was finishing up a book and now the book is out, it’s called “The Sure Mercies of David.”  Al, tell me briefly for those that perhaps are tuning in for the first time the premise of this covenant, how it operates and some examples of how it operates.

Al:  Sid the covenant of sure mercy is what God gave David four chapters before he met Bathsheba.The covenant of sure mercy allows out life’s work to be established and contribute to God’s Kingdom even if there is a moral failure.  Now Isaiah took the covenant that God gave David in 2^nd Samuel Chapter 7 and verse 15, and Isaiah extended it out to nations.  And actually what Isaiah tells us in chapter 55 is that if we learn to function in the covenant of sure mercy that nations will run to us it is a key to the end time harvest, that’s one of the edge of the sword.  The second edge of the sword is the justice of God I believe that is the key to the Jewish harvest to making Israel jealous and grafting them back in.They’ve been looking for a Messiah who’s a judge of all the earth for thousands of years and the church has to demonstrate the Messiah. The essence of this covenant is “I will take your greatest failure and I will redeem it, I will restore you in the process and I will make your failure praise me and produce fruit for my Kingdom.”  David’s an example, his sin and failure with Bathsheba; after he repents out of that union comes Solomon, the wisest man on earth and one who builds the temple.  Now that’s what I call the qualifications side of the covenant of sure mercy.  We need to understand in the church that how we treat people in failure is an opportunity that God is giving us and if we don’t treat them based on the principals of the covenant of sure mercy we often forfeit major future blessing.

Sid:Now you’re saying if we choose not to forgive who God has forgiven it’s a law of sowing and reaping it’s going to come back on us.

Al:  It’s is going to come back on us and it’s so typical to push away people in failure.You know Moses…three of the greatest leaders of scripture Moses, David and Paul all had what you would have to call tremendous failure and every single one of them God redeemed and then used for their purpose in the earth.  Moses at age 40 we find him in Acts Chapter 7 he kills a man in his own strength.  He tries to judge a couple of Israelites they push them away, that’s Acts 7:27. I wonder how they would have treated Moses if they would have known, if they could see with God’s redemptive covenant of sure mercy and know that God was going to use Moses to deliver them.  And that is often what happens to us; there were people who treated David terribly and David was restored to his throne because God had forgiven him.  The man’s name was Shimei, it cost him his life; it’s amazing how this covenant works it’s an opportunity.  When we find people in failure we need to understand that’s an Isaiah 55 opportunity to qualify for anointing that will impact cities and nations.We need to go for it.

Sid:Not only cities and nations and that would have been enough your own family, your own life can be dramatically affected by this part of the gospel that has been eliminated that the first church understood.  Give me some examples of testimonies of people that have got hold of this teaching and the changes that have occurred in their life.

Al:  You know Sid I tend to focus on the nation because that’s where my heart is, but the funny thing for me about teaching this is that almost all the testimonies that are coming in are not about the nation they are all about people in their own circumstances.  Within 30 days after I taught this at a church in Hawaii who was in a building program.They encountered somebody in the planning commission area who was absolutely against them.  So they would go in for their permits for water, permits for electricity it would all be delayed, all be delayed.  And they were ridiculous excuses there was no reason for it, it was costing them time and money.  It was obvious there was somebody in that building code department that was anti-Christ did not want them to build what they were building.  And I’m sure anybody who’s ever built anything understands the hassle that you go through in the process of getting your permits and your approvals.  And finally the pastor had had enough, he was just full, he was just full he said, “That’s it congregation.”  And so on Monday night prayer meeting they all gathered together, they said “We’re going to agree; tonight we’re invoking the covenant of sure mercy. Father you told us to build this church, now in Jesus Name we invoke your covenant of sure mercy over this project and have mercy on us cut off this opposition.  We put this individual in your hands, we decree divine justice and we are calling forth the justice of God, bring it forth in the name of Jesus.  We want it, we decree it and we are calling it and we have nothing else than the divine justice of the living God.”  They prayed it, they stood on it and they brought it forth and Sid within 7 days every permit that they were asking for was docked approved.  And what happened was even more amazing because this man went on vacation and then while he was on vacation somebody else got this and approved it.So when they brought it back in he was livid he was enraged that it was approved while he was gone on vacation but there was nothing he could do.  It was a done deal; now there’s a perfect example of what I’m hearing from people in how they’re using the covenant of sure mercy in their circumstances where they are suffering injustice.  Because it’s a covenant that demands the justice of God come into manifestation.  And we’re seeing it, and that the exciting part of what’s going on here so it’s awesome to see people catch God’s word and then begin to use it in such a way.

Sid:Well, my friends reaction who sat under your seminar he literally he feels he’s got to teach this wherever he goes.Is he unusual or do many people feel that that sits through your seminar?

Al:  I just talked many people are having that response because it’s a restoration and here’s what a retired army officer said to me who’s been teaching God’s word, he’s instrumental in his church, he’s a teacher.  He said, “Alf for the majority of my Christian life I feel like every single thing that I’ve learned to do in prayer is all defensive, this is the first message that has put a sword in my hand that I can swing.”  And he said, “It is unbelievable, it’s making a difference.”He has had struggle, struggle after struggle with his homeowner association, they didn’t want to let him pain his house the color he wanted, they didn’t want to let him put this thing out in front.  And I mean one after another, after another he said, “I invoke this covenant, I begin to pray and he said, “The opposition just sort of bled off, it was slow but I watched God bleed it off.”  And that’s the typical response that I’m getting from people; they are using it for what they’re facing in their own life and they’re finding God is coming on the scene as the judge of all the earth in their behalf.

Sid:But what you said to me that is covenant is going to be used to provoke Jewish people to jealousy.As you also explained in the Prophet Amos the greatest revival the world has ever seen is based on Christians understanding this covenant.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to operate in the miraculous, that’s the name of the latest book of my guest, he’s been my guest all this week Senior Pastor of Heartland World Ministries Church in Dallas, Steve Hill.  Most of you are familiar with Steve because he just happened to be speaking on Father’s Day 1995 in Brownsville, Pensacola, Florida Assembly of God Church.  And there was an outpouring of God’s Spirit over a half-million people made professions of faith, how many people came to your services after Father’s Day, would you say?

Steve: Sid we had 4 million people come through those doors, but they represented millions who could have never made it.

Sid: And they came from all over the world, they were hungry.

Steve: Absolutely, 150 nations of the world.

Sid:  Is what you had there is that going to be normal for pastors and believers that are really hungering and thirsting for righteousness this moment?

Steve: Sid, yes it is and the book “Operating in the Miraculous” is all based on a scripture that really bothers me and that is “And these signs will follow those who believe; in my name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents and if they drink any deadly it will by no means hurt them.  They will lay hands on the sick, it doesn’t say they might, it says they will lay hands on the sick and they will.”  It doesn’t say they might “They will recover.” Mark 16:17-18.  And so my friend if you are a believer, if you call yourself a believer and if you’re not right now you can become one by asking Jesus Christ to forgive you, to wash you, to cleans you, to make you brand new.  Repent of your sins and I want to pray with you right now, and say “Jesus, thank you for your blood.”

Sid: Jesus, thank you for your blood.

Steve: Thank you for the cross.

Sid:  Thank you for the cross.

Steve: I confess my sins.

Sid: I confess my sins.

Steve: I’m sorry.

Sid:  I’m sorry.

Steve: I repent.

Sid: I repent.

Steve: Be my Savior.

Sid:  Be my Savior.

Steve: Be my Lord.

Sid: Be my Lord.

Steve: My very best friend.

Sid:  My very best friend.

Steve: In Jesus Name.

Sid: In Jesus Name.

Steve:  Amen.

Sid:  Amen.

Steve:  Now, if you were sincere and you prayed that prayer listener you have become a believer in Jesus Christ.  You say “It’s got to be more difficult than that.”  No, if it were more difficult it would be religion, this is Christianity.

Sid: Steve, you know my prayer was even shorter, as a Jewish man 35 years ago, just like you at the end of the rope, nowhere else to go just like you at the end of the rope nowhere else to go some Christians had said “There was more power in the Name of Jesus than the devil.”  And so before I was ready to just die, I said, a two word prayer, and you know what. He heard it, the two words were Jesus help; that was it.

Steve: Fascinating; you know that needs to be a book called “Jesus Help!”  Because that is the bottom; when I got saved I just cried out to the name Jesus.  See the Bible says “Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart.”  But Sid one of the things I want to share today is once you become a believer and Jesus Christ lives in you you have authority over demonic forces.  And it’s by the very nature of becoming a believer, it’s not something you did it’s something He did 2,000 years ago on Calvary.  So now you are a believer but you have authority just like when you and God forbid that any of us get pulled over by the police but when you get pulled over by the police and they give you a ticket, they can give you the ticket because they’re wearing a badge and there’s a sign on the road that says speed limit 55.  And now you’re going 80 and so they have the authority by the state of whatever state you’re in to give you a ticket.  Because Jesus lives in your heart you now have the authority over demons, devils, sicknesses to do what needs to be done.

Sid:  You know Steve something I’ve often wondered and I have to ask you this question I’ve heard you speak many times at the Brownsville Assembly of God and every time I’ve heard you speak you’ve had a new message and it was really it was ingenious the way the message was put together.  Where did you get all these messages from?

Steve: Well, I would get up in the morning and I’d say “Jesus I’m in trouble” because you know I preached every night when the revival first broke out it was seven nights a week.

Sid: I know, that’s why it was so fresh every night it was so different, you had some people would come after they got saved they’d be there.  You would tell them you’ve got to come here every night and guess what they did.

Steve: Oh, they would some of them would go out the building at 1:00 in the morning and stand in line and get ready to come in the building at 7:00 the next evening.  And the lines would stretch out, I mean it was just amazing but I got the messages from the Lord.  I know that that sounds sort of super spiritual but there is no way you can hold up under that kind of pressure.  And in the mornings I would always spend time with Jesus, I would sleep a few hours and then get up and go into my study and I would say “Jesus you know tonight thousands of people are going to come from all over the world and I need a fresh word from You.” And the Lord was never, ever, ever late He always arrived on time and He put a word in my heart and we prepared it together.

Sid:  Did you just out of curiosity with all those years of messages and each one different were there ever times where you just didn’t have a word and you got out and started speaking and God showed up?  Or did you always have the message just before you started?

Steve: You know I always had the message just before I started but there’s time I got up and I preached a different message and that was because you know God just right in the instant changed it, and then I would preach out.  I still have messages in my archives Sid that were prepared seven years ago, five years ago, two years ago, that I still haven’t preached okay and it’s because God’s got them on hold for awhile.

Sid: There was such a Spirit of repentance I mean when we did our television show I aired a tiny segment of someone that was being baptized and he said, “I’ve messed up everywhere, I was unfaithful to my wife,”  I mean I couldn’t believe that he was saying these things publically with cameras on him but he didn’t care.

Steve: Sid, I would have them, this is going to be hard to believe for some folks listening but as I was preaching I would have to hold people back from coming forward.  People would start getting up coming forward, I would say “Sit back down, I’m going to give the altar call in ten minutes.”  People were so convicted under the power of God of their sins they wanted to get right with God, it was just a fabulous, fabulous time.

Sid:   In the invisible world what was going on, do you think there was a special salvation, repentance angel that showed up when you were preaching?

Steve: Absolutely but the Holy Spirit is one who convicts of sin and Holy Spirit was there strong and I mean in our church right now He is strong as ever.  But He convicts men and women of sin and once you’re convicted see the word convict means to be found guilty and once you’re found guilty man your popping sweat, you know you’re under the gun.  You want to do something about getting that guilt out and at the altar is where it all happens.

Sid: I’ve asked you before but I have to ask you again, what is the feedback that you’re getting from people that are reading your latest book “Operating in the Miraculous?”

Steve: Feedback like “It changed my life,” “I don’t know what I’d do without this,” “This has taught me that I can be used of God too.”  And the feedback like that because you know this is not some type of theological thesis that’s difficult to understand.  “Operating in the Miraculous” is for the lay person, for the pastor, and of course theologians love it too, but it’s just for the man or woman who wants to be used of God in the miraculous.

Sid:  Now you also talked earlier this week about an atmosphere for the miraculous, “What do you mean by that?”

Steve: I mean whenever when you step into a situation when there’s someone in a wheelchair, someone in the hospital, usually the atmosphere that means the climate can be negative.  Maybe somebody was arguing, maybe somebody just said, “You’re going to die.”  Okay maybe it’s that you got to change that just like in the Book of Acts when Peter and John went up to the man at the Gate Beautiful, wonderful story.  He was begging, he was asking for alms; Peter and John said, “Silver and gold we don’t have, but what we have we give you.” They changed the atmosphere from the begging, from the carnal world to the spiritual and then the miracle came.

Sid: Very quickly, pray for miracles right now.

Steve: Lamb of God I’m believing You in this moment and I see someone with your eyes have been glazed over, and it’s happened over the last week.  I pray right now for clear eyesight in Jesus Name right now.  Arthritis, blood sickness, blood disease, high blood pressure, heart disease in Jesus name right now, paralysis in Jesus Name I speak healing in Jesus Name Amen.

Sid:  My guest is part of what I call the one new man. What is the one new man?  The one new man is the last in the greatest move of God’s Spirit that will literally the average believer will walk in resurrection power to the point that Paul says “If it was a blessing that Gentiles rejected their Messiah how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah it will literally cause life from the dead.”  My guest has prayed for dead people that have come back to life. He’s a forerunner of this great anointing that I believe the atmosphere is pregnant with right now.  My guest Tommy Combs I’m speaking to him at his office in Dora, Alabama which is right outside of Birmingham, Alabama.  And Tommy I am so fascinated that right after you became a believer in the Messiah about age 10 you were blessed; it took me thirty years to become a believer in the Messiah.  But right after you became a believer in the Messiah it was almost as if the devil knew that there was something significant you were going to do with your life and he tried to snuff it out.  You developed Hepatitis C how serious is that?

Tommy:  It was a serious disease we had no idea how that happened in our lives still today do not know what happened, but yes I became a very sick young man.  And was told by the doctors in Birmingham, Alabama; my parents were told three days, five days, eight days at the most his liver is destroyed and he will die.

Sid:  That’s an awful prognosis so you’re in a hospital room, you’re there with was it your grandmother and your mother?

Tommy:  My mother and my aunt.

Sid:  Your mother and your aunt and Oral Roberts comes on television.  And why were they watching Oral Roberts do you know?

Tommy:  Of course they were praying for me to be healed; they were there that morning to pray with me my mother and my aunt were praying with me in the hospital room.  And Oral Roberts called “The Healing Hour” would come on television in Birmingham, Alabama every Sunday morning from 9:00 to 10:00.  And he would pray for people over the television and they were watching that and having faith in God to do the healing and watching his program is part of that.

Sid: Now he was one of the pioneers in putting the gospel on television and you’re a bit of the fruit of the gospel; the true gospel on TV. So they’re watching this and what does Oral say?

Tommy:  Oral say’s at one point in that program he’s saying; look I’m going to ask you to touch the television if you possibly can if not then point your hand toward a television as a point of contact.  And the camera would absolutely zoom in on his hand so much there was nothing on the screen accepts Oral Roberts big hand, that was all that was on the television screen.  And my mother reached over and touched the television’s screen with her hand; but her other hand over my stomach and said these words “God heal my boy and I will give him to you.”  Instantly, not after awhile, not in a minute not next week no in a few days, not next month, instantly the power of God entered that hospital room.  I was instantly healed by the power of God; it was like a mist it was like a blue mist.  I can still see it right now in my vision; it was like a mist of light in the middle of the light it was like Jesus was standing in the middle of the light and the light was so strong, so strong that it knocked my mother and my aunt to the floor.  The power of God was so strong, it was so strong in that room that they were knocked to the floor.  The light went out the door of the hospital room and other people were healed on that floor.  The doctors and nurses at the nursing station ran down the hall into the room to see because they saw the flashing of light as it left the room.   An orderly actually brought a fire extinguisher to the room because the power of God had shot out so strong.  And I was totally instantly healed, totally not a drop of Hepatitis C even in my blood stream; not a residue.  They took blood tests not a residue of Hepatitis C in my blood stream; that’s the healing power.

Sid:  Now they knew that by testing but I’m curious as a ten year old did you know that you were instantly healed?

Tommy:  I knew that something wonderful had happened to my life.

Sid: How did you feel?

Tommy: I felt overwhelmed by this presence I knew something was happening out of the ordinary, but I didn’t know what. I had never seen anything like that in my life.  I knew that something had happened to me; I was concerned about my mother and my aunt you know.  I was concerned about this light that was enveloping the whole room but at the same time there was so much love and so much peace in the light that I knew that everything was okay.  It was wonderful feeling to feel that presence of God.

Sid:  I understand that shortly thereafter you found out you had a gift you didn’t understand it, but you found out you had a gift.  What was this gift?

Tommy: I would know things, I would see things, hear people talk, watch things and would tell my mother in secret.  It’s like a word of knowledge.

Sid: Can you remember one actual one that you had back then as a child?

Tommy: I could tell her about individuals; there’s something hidden in their life.  That man is not where he should be, or that person is not, and individually it would be told or found out about it; but I would keep these secret to my mother.  Not in an extraordinary way or announcement to the whole public but go to my mother with these secret things and she would write them down.

Sid:  What did your mother tell you after she saw these started coming true?

Tommy: My mother realized what had happened that day in that hospital room in Carraway Hospital in Birmingham.  She told me that God had entered the room; that I was totally healed by the power of Jesus Christ and that the gifts of God.  And she tried to explain to me as an 11 year old the gifts of God had also came into my life at that time.  And those had to be developed yet; she was smart enough to know these things have to develop through God and with God.

Sid: Out of curiosity do you know what the doctors had to say about this incurable disease that you were dying from?

Tommy: Yes, they wrote on the doctors report “Miracle of God”; they knew something had happened the liver was totally restored, totally healed and it’s like a brand new liver.  I mean they just knew that this thing something had happened.  In fact some of the doctors and nurses were there that morning when the light entered the room.  They didn’t see the light the light came and went but they entered the room soon after that when my countenance changed when my blood count changed; when things happened and the testing that they started to do showed totally clean of Hepatitis C then they knew that something wonderful had happened.

Sid:  Out of curiosity have you ever had an encounter with the power of God to that degree of a mist coming into a room and people being healed?

Tommy:  I was in a service not long after that of maybe four years later in a small Pentecostal church near Dora, Alabama and the mist actually came around the altar.  I mean there were a hundred people there, and the mist actually flowed into the altar service and around the altar area and the people would come up and touch it or come up and get in it and they would fall under the power of God.  That’s the two times I have seen this mist.

Sid: I believe that’s a foretaste of what we’re going to see quite often between now and the time the Messiah returns.  Mishpochah in addition to seeing the most glorious move of God’s Spirit in history the devil is not going to take this laying down and he’s going to fight.  But we’ve got some weapons; the first church understood communion; the first church understood communion because communion comes from the Jewish Passover.  And they understood it to the point they participated in it every day they broke bread from house to house.  And they understood that it wasn’t just a ritual and I interviewed last week Ana Mendez Ferrell. Ana was a woman from Mexico that God healed in such a marvelous fashion in a mental institution.  She should have spent her whole life there but the power of God came on her; she got set free and something like 80% of the other people in the mental institution got set free.  And God has been giving her revelation on communion to the point where her whole body when the devil came after her whole body took on a reddish glow for the blood of Messiah.  She found out that communion is progressive, and the more you do this if you do this every day and understand it with knowledge you will walk in the same power that she walks in.

Sid:  My guest Mary Katherine Baxter had an encounter with God in 1976 that when you find out about it you’ll actually be glad you didn’t have it although I wish more people had it, it would sure change their entire paradigm for this life, this short blink of the eye.  You see for thirty nights in a row she visited Hell, why did Jesus want you to experience Hell Mary Kathryn Baxter?

Mary K:  Because most people don’t believe in Hell, don’t believe there is a Hell and they don’t believe in a lot of the Bible teaching even in Ezekiel 33 about the size of the pits in Hell.

Sid:  Well, let’s take you back to that very first night for your first experience in going to Hell, tell me about what you experienced.

Mary K:  Well, the very first thing when the Lord took me down a gateway, He actually translated me there with Him, He was in human form and I was in the spirit.  And the very first night when He translated me down this gateway there was on the edges of this gateway Sid was demon powers beyond description.  And I was protected with Jesus and we went down into the very base of the center of the earth and Christ said, “Hell has a shape like a human body lying on its back and we would go through the left leg of Hell first.  And you talk about a feeling of being lost, you talk about a feeling of grief and…

Sid:  And so you know what you went to experience it as a nonbeliever even though you were a believer even though you were a believer, is that what you are saying?

Mary K:  Yes, in the beginning okay going down the gateway there was a feeling came over me Sid that it was like my heart and my entire being was lost, I guess you could say it was an experience like a nonbeliever in the beginning.  And everything that was real was like it was not there, your dreams were gone, your hopes were gone, everything that you ever hoped for dream you knew was gone.  And it was like something just took my entire heart or soul and ripped it out and I screamed and screamed to God and I said, “What is this, what is this?”  And He allowed my normal feelings to come back and He said, “That’s how everyone feels that’s been cast into Hell, they’re cut off from the living God.”  He said, “I had to let you experience that and He said ahead of you is a lot of grief and great sorrow.”  And that was the beginning of my journey into Hell and when I came to the base of the thing I had my normal feelings back, it was not like the descending down the gateway and I was glad because the feeling is no, I cannot describe it, it was the most horrible lost, hopeless, no more hope, no more destiny feeling that you could ever, ever imagine.  And it’s hard to put into words.

Sid:  Knowing what you know today about Hell and what it is to be lost and what t he eternal suffering is and the reality of it, is there any way you could backslide?

Mary K:  No, I would never backslide because after seeing what I seen I never, never want to miss Heaven, because after you’ve seen Hell and you’ve seen the reality okay of the judgment on backsliders and you see it on the corrupt society, after you’ve seen this you don’t never feel the same, you don’t want to backslide.  In fact you want to draw closer to God, you want to know more about Him.

Sid:    Well, take me on that journey a little bit more.

Mary K:  Okay, as I’m walking through the left leg of Hell with the Lord we came to these pits, there’s all kinds of holes in the ground and in every hole there is fire and in every hole there’s a skeleton full of dead man’s bones and they have a Skelton form that can talk and can turn and there is like a corrupt on their flesh that grows and burns and falls off back in the fires and their screaming and you can’t tell if it’s a man or a woman until they speak.  And then every twenty-five feet is a demonic force like a demon that’s in the shape of a snake with an Egyptian face or wings of evil demons they would spread and they’re full of corrupt, they’re full of the odor that makes you very very sick you feel sick because of the smells in Hell.  And as you’re standing there with the Lord you look at the face of Christ and tears are coming down His face and He says child for all these I died but it’s too late, He said, “They have rejected me, they rejected the gospel and He said, “It’s too late for these I’m going to show you.”  He said, “This is the judgment of My Father upon sin.”  And this was the left leg of Hell and I stood with the Lord and fires was on the ground, it was very low fires, it was like hot lava had run on the earth it was cracked, burned, dry, you could hardly breathe the air was so hot.  And there was like lights, dim yellow light in a distance and fire, the red from the fires and then it was like a half a mile high above their heads was like rocks hanging down, jagged rocks and I could see well with the Lord way back like I could see one million or more souls burning in this area.  And it began to break my heart and I said, “Lord, what can I do a housewife and a mother whose going to believe me Lord to tell them this story?”  And Christ said, “Come and I want to talk to some of them” and he said, “When I talk to them you will remember what I say and what they say.”  And that’s what He told me and then we begin to walk, He took my hand and we begin to walk among these pits.  And they would, the corpses would reach their bony hand up and turn toward the Lord when He walked by and they would cry and they would tell their stories about how long they had been there, they would talk about…

Sid:  Tell me one specific story that really impressed you.

Mary K:  Okay, it was a woman voice and she used to be a minister of the gospel, she really did and she was talking to the Lord and she said, “She called him Lord, I knew that you would come, I’ve been burning in this place for many years and I cannot die and she said, “If you’ll only forgive me she said, “I’ll never do the sins I did before and I had hatred in my heart and I had murder and the Lord put His hand out towards her and said, “Peace, be still.”  And He turned to me and he said, “Child this woman sins are many He said, “In the beginning of her life she was a preacher of My word He said, “She preached My word” and He said “Then when she was on a trip her husband committed adultery on her and when she came back he told her and asked her forgiveness and she would not forgive him.”  She begin to hate him, she begin to quite reading her Bible, she stopped preaching my word and said that hatred entered into her heart and the woman said, “Yes, it did.”  And she said, “Oh Lord, and she began to repent to Jesus,” she said, “I wish I had never done that.”  She had taken a gun and hatred, the devil really got into her and she killed the other woman and the affair was only I think according to what I heard just like very short and he even repented to the whole church and to her and she killed the other woman, killed her husband and then herself.  And she ended up in Hell, and the Lord spoke about hatred and bitterness and unforgiveness and He told her He said, “Satan tempted her husband and she would not forgive him though he had repented.  And He said to her, He said, “Oh woman if I had only listened to what you preached, if you’d only listed to what My sweet Spirit of forgiveness” and the Lord began to teach and tell her right there in Hell what she had done and we just walked away with her shaking and sobs but no tears would come because she was burning in fire.

Sid:    Let me ask you this question, alright I’m sure people ask you this “Why would a loving God have His humanity suffer so much and never a chance for reversal once they end up in Hell?”

Mary K:  That question I have asked God and I’ll tell you what, the only thing I know is that He’s a righteous God and Heaven cannot contain evil again, Satan was thrown out of Heaven and no sin can ever enter Heaven again, none.  And what I really believe, you know because Satan was thrown out when he tried to overrule God and God is a righteous God, He’s a just God and He gives us chance after chance to repent, woman that Christ spoke to He also said, “He’s given her many many chances to come back and repent but she would not.”  And that was the key was that that the gospel must be preached and the people must have a chance to understand and repent to the Lord and turn around from their sins and I don’t have the answer that you…

Sid:  Now when you see someone that is hardened against the gospel after you’ve shared you must really feel bad for that person.

Mary K:  Well normally we don’t see to many that’s hardened after I talk, the Lord has really really blessed my testimony I go all over the world.  We just finished a TV show yesterday and we did a Hell seminar we just finished.  And Sid another man came and he was in a cubic in Hell he was an atheist and the Lord had mercy on him.  And he was in a cubic thing and the devil and I saw this too the devil gave him false illusion of a false paradise when he first ascended into Hell and he saw his own ancestors had died and went on before him and they were, the demons had camouflaged them and made them look like his relatives.  And he told them this is not real I’m an atheist and I’ve always hated God but this is not real and immediately they turned to demons powers and as he told his story and I told mine the whole church repented, the repented every service because every hard heart was just melted.  People was brought in from the church there to eat and they get warm and they hear the gospel and the hardest of hardest ones would come up and get saved.

Sid:  I think we’re living in a time right now where God’s extending His mercy on people because He knows what’s about ready to happen.

Mary K:  Sid, that’s so true, so true and that’s what we felt like you know.  And Sunday we wept nearly all day from the presence of the Lord He was like an urgency to win the lost they were car loads and bus loads of street-less people come home.

Sid:  You know we’re out of time right now but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.