TOM: I really do.

SID: Tell me one scripture you look at.

TOM: Yeah. Like Luke 21:25-28 through 28 it says, and there shall be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars, and that word is asteroid. There shall be signs in the asteroids and upon the earth, distress of nations. That’s exactly what I saw, with perplexity they don’t know what to do about it. But to finish the verse, the sea and the waves roaring, that’s exactly what I saw. Men’s hearts failing them for fear and looking after those things that are coming.

SID: And you said we will eventually be able to see it with our naked eye.

TOM: That’s exactly right. But then it says this, but then shall they see the sign of the coming of the son of man. And when you see these things begin to come to pass, then lift up your eyes and look up, lift up your heads for your redemption draws nigh.

SID: When I heard president Trump say announced that he was creating a new branch of service, the space force, how does this fit in or what makes you think that one of the agendas was this wormwood prophecy?

TOM: I have friends, you have friends, that are around the president, they are prophecy believers and they have been in his ear about this issue and about Wormwood. And so that’s part and some of these are Christian scientists who are talking about that, so that’s part of it. And by the way, it’s a giant umbrella, it’s already been funded. The new space force, that’s the new branch of the US military. But if you look at the reasons behind it and its funding, it’s almost all having to do with near earth objects, asteroids and the mitigation of those asteroids. This has come together very quickly, it got funded very quickly and it is because—

SID: I was wondering why it happened so fast.

TOM: And by the way, to add another element to this, at the national cathedral just last week, they just anointed and blessed a brand new King James version of the Bible and the order is that every commanding officer in the space force has to be sworn into duty using that Bible. So Donald Trump and his administration, they also recognize that there is a supernatural element around this issue.

SID: You believe that this could cause a worldwide turning to God?

TOM: Yes. What I saw was people everywhere on their faces begging God. You know the new Testament says some saved with fear, right? Hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Some people are not motivated until something catastrophic like this happens, but the church has also been asleep. Not everybody, but a lot, and this is going to be a wake up call for people everywhere who will be turning to God. Many of the people in the church. I imagine that your ministry, Sid, is going to use this as the greatest evangelism opportunity perhaps in the history of humankind. It’s going to be a great opportunity to reach the greatest, largest number of people because at that time everybody is going to have this on their mind. They’re all going to be talking about it, they’re all going to be begging God to deliver them. It’s going to be a great opportunity. It could literally be what instigates the next great awakening.

SID: Well, Tom, you say based on your study of the Bible that there is a sliver of hope. Why do you say that?

TOM: Well, there is a precedent in scripture, the great prophecy of Joel. You know the great armies of the locusts are going to come over the mountains, but then it ends with God saying, but if you will turn to me with all of your heart and body and soul and mind, rend your heart and not your garments, I will give you a blessing instead of a curse. There is a precedent in scripture. God sends Jonah to Nineveh to tell them in 40 days from now, you guys are all toast, but what did they do? From the King on down, they repented in sackcloth and ashes and God delayed the judgment. I want to say this, I didn’t see this being delayed. In other words, I believe that it is possible God is God and not Tom Horn, thankfully, right? It is possible that if enough people, if the world were to repent basically and turn to God, it is possible that judgement could be delayed.

SID: Do you believe that’s going to happen?

TOM: No. I believe with all certainty that I could have, that April, Friday the 13th, 2029 Apophis is going to fulfill the Wormwood prophecy of Revelation 8 and it is going to impact the earth.

SID: I know that heaven is real, I know that hell is real. And the descriptions of hell of people that have visited to come back to be witnesses of it’s reality, that asteroid is nothing compared to eternity separated from the love of God. I want you to say a prayer and mean it to the best of your ability. Repeat after me out loud, dear God, I’m a sinner for which I’m so sorry. I believe the blood of Jesus, the precious blood of Jesus washes away my sins and in your sight I am clean. It’s so good to be clean and now that I know I’m clean, I ask Jesus to be my Lord and savior, Jesus come inside of me. Amen.

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Ryan Johnson: Hi, I’m Ryan Johnson. Do you have prophetic promises that have not yet come to pass? Join me on the next It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth and I will mentor you so that you have the tools to contend for the prophetic promises and see them fulfilled in your life.

Sid:  I have on the telephone a friend of mine that when you hear him sing because he is an anointed psalmist a Messianic Jew. When you hear him sing the Shekinah glory of God will come upon you. His name Paul Wilbur I’m speaking to him at his home in Jacksonville, Florida. Paul and I go back a long ways, in fact many many moons ago Paul was working for the Messianic Vision opening letters and your favorite thing, just to remind you Paul, was trying to see how many different ways people would spell my name. Do you remember that?

Paul:  I remember some of them even to the letter even today (laughing) amazing.

Sid:  (Laughing) Well what is amazing to me is it says not to despise small beginnings because wherever I flip on Christian television, or I listen to Christian radio you’re there.

Paul:  Hmm.

Sid:  This is your moment but it isn’t your moment it is God is doing something new. It’s like it’s in the atmosphere around the world and as a psalmist… the psalmists, the Levites go in front of the army of God and normally have a prophetic sense of what God wants. What does God want right now Paul Wilbur?

Paul:  Well I believe Sid and I hope it doesn’t sound too presumptive to say we speak for God although the Bible tells us that we as the sons of God can hear His voice. But I’m reminded of Isaiah chapter 2 I’m sure when Israel was asking the prophets what does God want. He says in Isaiah chapter 2 He says “Let’s go up to the mountain of the Lord to the house of the God of Jacob.” Now listen to this, “He will teach us His ways.” Now most people that I’ve heard that share that scripture Sid stop there but that’s not where God wants us to stop.  He says then the prophet goes on to say “So that we may walk in them.” I believe Sid that the Lord is looking His eye has always been searching to and fro. But I believe He’s looking for a called out people, a particular people those who are called by His name, those who have been to the mountain and not only are hearers of the word but are doers as well. I believe that’s what God is seeking for these days.

Sid:  Speaking of going to the mountain tell me about the song “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain.” This is on your new CD called the “Lion of Judah.”

Paul:  Well that was a CD that we produced this past feast of the Lord in Jerusalem itself called Pentecost or in Hebrew Shavuot the Feast of Weeks. We went there again with just a wonderfully anointed team of musicians. The presence of God Sid… I know I say this every time we interview over a new recording but this time the band had to go on without me. As I stood on that platform downtown Jerusalem at the largest hall in all of Israel the Jerusalem Convention Center; I stopped singing, I stopped playing the weight of the glory of God so pressed on me. I stood there in a puddle of tears the band was looking at me like “What should we do (laughing)?” Because we were climbing the mountain of the Lord and just as God spoke to Moses “Take off your sandals for the place where you’re standing is holy ground.” We were standing in holy ground. The song is again from Isaiah chapter 2 “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain.” It is such a prophetic word for today as the people hear the words of this I encourage them to let those words soak in deep because it is from the lips of God Himself.

Excerpt: “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain”

Sid:  That was Paul Wilbur singing “Come Let’s Go Up To the Mountain.” It was actually done in Jerusalem before a live audience. Paul you said the kavod, that’s the Hebrew word for the glory of God came upon you. Describe that Glory.

Paul:  Well it’s something unless you’ve actually experienced it is difficult to describe except I would say this way Sid that it’s a disarming of the flesh. There’s weakening of the self and an acute awareness of the presence of God that makes, that makes your flesh man weak but makes your spirit man so strong. I was standing on the platform surrounded by wonderfully anointed musicians and as we were worshipping the Lord we weren’t recording a recording in particular. We weren’t performing a record but we came with the people of Israel to worship on that mountain that He has called His own. As I stood there several times I had to stop singing, I had to stop playing I was reduced almost to a puddle of tears because of the weight of the presence of God. I’d have my hands raised and they’d fall to my side. My knees would begin to get weak and begin to shake. I couldn’t sing, I couldn’t speak I’d stand back from the microphone waiting for the presence of God to lift so that my fleshly part of me, my soul, could continue but you know just enjoying that weight of His presence. Who wants to continue anyway? You just want that presence that Shekhi-nah that presence that glory of God to press in on you and the rest of the world.

Sid:  You were telling me before we went on the air about a close friend of mine who went on to be with the Lord, Ruth Ward Heflin. There was something that she taught that has always stuck with you tell me it.

Paul:  Well it was actually during the Feast of Tabernacles when we recorded “Jerusalem Arise” 2 years ago when I met Ruth Ward Heflin for the very first time. She said something to me that day and she has actually written it in her book about the glory. Her statement will always stick with me was moving into the glory of God, and she put it this way she said “You praise Him until the worship comes and you worship Him until the glory comes then you just stand in the glory.” That’s what we were doing during the recording of that “Lion of Judah.” The glory of came we stood in His glory… you know Sid we used to be so proud in our meetings with the anointing and thank God for the anointing but the glory goes beyond the anointing. We used to be so proud of how many people would come under the weight of the anointing or fall out in the spirit under the anointing but I believe the Lord is looking for those who will stand in His glory.

Sid:  How about you do you want to stand in His glory? There’s some of you that have gotten cold you were hot at one time but you’ve gotten cold. I’m going to give you a prescription order this CD called “Lion of Judah,” start playing it every morning or every evening and begin to press into God. See the anointing on this will destroy the yoke that’s stopping you from pushing further with God.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is a leading cardiologist and then it changes. Do you know in the operating room he prays in supernatural languages? Do you know in the operating room he prays for the dead and they come back? Do you know that in the operating room God tells him what to do and saves people’s lives? That’s my kind of doctor. Dr. Crandall, you work for three hospitals, but there was a very profound moment in your life. You’re 19, you’re an intern and someone you know dies. What affect did it have on you?

DR. CRANDALL: Well you know, Sid, this was first time that I really witnessed death. And as a young man I entered that autopsy room and there was this gentleman that I had known for many months that was dead on the table. I was shocked. I couldn’t believe it. His whole insides were emptied. In fact, and what happened was, Sid, that it made me think that there is something else to life, that life with all its order and complexity doesn’t just end when we die. Something must move on ahead. And it was the first time that I really ever thought about God and Heaven.

SID: Now you heard the audible voice of God to tell you to be praying for your patients. Tell me exactly what happened.

DR. CRANDALL: Well you know, this was, one day I was walking down the hospital ward on the basement. And I had been praying for people, but it seemed like many of the people weren’t receptive, and I was concerned. So I cried out to God for three months for an answer to prayer, “Lord, send me the people group you want me to pray for.” And what I did that morning, I pressed the elevator button to go up. I prayed that prayer again, “Lord, send me your people group that I can pray for that are receptive.” And I heard the voice of God, and the voice of God said this, “Your people are your patients Dr. Crandall. I’ve sent them to you and I haven’t sent them to anyone else. And he also, the Lord also said, “If you don’t pray to bring them into the Kingdom of God no one else will.” And it changed my life. Now I knew that I could pray for my patients and for the sick on the hospital wards, and it would be covered by Almighty God.

SID: You know, I would think in the culture we’re in now that it would last like ten seconds and you would be kicked out.

DR. CRANDALL: Well you know, I went undercover in the beginning, to tell you the truth. And, but as I started to pray, Sid, I saw miracles.

SID: Tell me about one of your first ones — Earl.

DR. CRANDALL: Well Earl was a heart transplant patient. He had been on the waiting list for months and months. He was in ICU. There was no way we could get him a heart and he was dying before our eyes. But I read in my Bible, Sid, that we could pray for the sick in the name of Jesus and that they could recover. I had never prayed for anyone like that before. And I walked into that room with Earl, who was depressed and was down and out, and in fact who was dying, and I said, “Earl, in my Bible it says that we can pray for the sick and they can be healed in Jesus’ name. I will pray for you.”

SID: Excuse me. Were you trembling a little bit on the inside?

DR. CRANDALL: Yes, I was. I was nervous. I had never prayed for anyone like that. I had never stepped out and prayed for someone like that, but I prayed with Earl. We held hands. It was a simple prayer. Father God, in the name of Jesus I ask you to heal Earl, in Jesus’ name. And that man that couldn’t left his head off the pillow for three months, within a couple days, he was lifting his head off the pillow. And then a couple days more, he was sitting on the side of the bed and within not many weeks, he left that hospital, Sid, without the need of a heart transplant, and he was healed.

SID: I told you, he’s my kind of doctor. You have so many amazing stories of experiences of patients (don’t tell this to most of your doctors) being raised from the dead. You don’t hear doctors talk about this. When we come back, I want to find out about some of his experiences of praying for people that were dead that have come back to life. Don’t go away.

SID: Now Billye, you talk about drawing a blood line. This again is what they used to teach at the great Azusa Street Revival. What does that mean and how do you do it?

BILLYE: Well this story was told to me by Don Gossett, maybe you knew him, and he knew of a Brother Stephenson who had gone up in to Canada and was doing, this was years ago, and was doing some meetings and they were really hitting the devil hard. So the devil started telling Brother Stephenson, “I’m going to kill your children while you’re away.” And Brother Stephenson said, “Oh no, you’re not.” He had left his children in the care of their grandparents. And the devil said to him, “You saw foxes on your land before you left. I have placed rabies on them and they’re going to kill your children.” So Brother Stephenson, his wife and the pastors there, they grabbed hands and they drew a blood line around his property. A few days, weeks later, he got a letter. It was before when we had cell phones and he didn’t make long distance calls that much. He got a letter from his brother and his brother said, “I was out walking your property line and I found five dead foxes. I sent them off and they were rabid.” So they drew a blood line and the foxes didn’t cross it because the enemy had told them, “I put the rabies on it.”

SID: But if the blood line hadn’t been there, those foxes with rabies would have gone in.

BILLYE: Yes, and would have killed them.

SID: That blood line sounds pretty good to me.

BILLYE: Oh, I’m telling you, that blood line, the biblical basis for this is the Passover. The Bible says, “The destroyer came.” And it says in Hebrews that, “Moses sprinkled with the blood lest the destroyer come against them.” So it’s the destroying death angel that came to Pharaoh and killed the firstborn. But what did they do? He told them, “You slay on them. You put the blood as a token.” Tokens are to be seen. “As a token on the lintel and the post and then this death angel will pass over the blood It can’t come into you.” That’s a blood line. Now what did you have to do? You had to believe that that blood line was there on the door post, but you couldn’t just believe it and go out anywhere you wanted to go. You had to get behind that blood line. You had to take you and your family behind that blood line. So that’s what I do with me and my family. I take us behind the blood line. So we apply the blood by pleading the blood as a token to be seen. And I can guarantee you that the enemy knows me. He said, “Jesus I know and Paul I know. But who are you?” he said to the seven sons of Sceva, but he knows me. He would mark me, I’m telling you right now. He doesn’t like teaching authority to the believer.

SID: Hey, here’s what I’d like to know. You have understood this. You have pleaded the blood. You have spoken. You’ve made much of the blood.

BILLYE: Yes, I have.

SID: How many children and grandchildren do you have?

BILLYE: I have four children. I have ten grandchildren, three great-grandchildren, two on the way and all my children are in the ministry and eight of ten grandchildren are in the ministry.

SID: I’ll tell you what, I believe because you knew how to plead the blood, because you knew how to put the blood line on, because you knew how to pray from that seed of authority at the right hand of God the Father, you are one wealthy woman, not with money, but with family. There is nothing wealthier. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with John and Lisa Bevere. Lisa, where would you say an important turning point in your marriage was?

LISA: You know, when I chose to forgive. You know, when John came home when I locked him out, I got alone with God and I was like, “God, I hope that you’re speaking to John. I hope that you are rebuking him. I hope you’re giving him some bad dreams. I hope that you’re just going to jerk the slack out of him.” And God said, “You need to forgive.” And I was like, no, no, no. I’ll forgive him when he changes. And the Holy Spirit said, “No, you need to forgive him so he can change.” We don’t understand the power of forgiveness. When I forgive somebody, I actually release them to be everything that God wants them to be. And John came home from that weekend locked out and came to me, and he was like, hey, I’m sorry. And usually I would say, well I forgive you, but you need to understand, you did this, this, this, this and this. I had a whole bank account. But the Holy Spirit said, “I want you to look at is your husband and when he says, I’m sorry, I want you to say, I believe you want to change and I forgive you.” And that is what Jesus says to me every single time I come to him. He doesn’t say, Lisa I’ve got this whole list of things and you’re going to do it again in the future. He just says, I believe you want to change and I forgive you. You know, looking back over 33 years of marriage, there’s a couple of things I regret as a wife, things that I wish I would have done differently. And number one, I wish I would have loved him more fearlessly. You know, I came into the marriage—

SID: What do you mean by fearlessly?

LISA: Well I came in with a lot of fear. So I would measure my love. I wasn’t willing to give all of my heart to John because I was afraid if I gave him all of my heart that he would break my heart. So I would always reserve a little bit back. And I remember John would say to me, “I’m not your dad. I’m not your dad. I’m not going to leave you, I’m going to abandon you.” I was so afraid that if he made a mistake it was going to destroy me. And so I would control him and then he would try to control me, and it was just this ridiculous dynamic. We did a lot of things imperfectly, but we learned from all of our mistakes. And so that’s, again, what you asked me earlier in the show, why would we have shared that. Because we actually really do want something more for the other couples.

SID: John, what affect did it have on you when your wife just forgave you with no list, no laundry list?

JOHN: When you’re forgiven like that, you all of a sudden, your heart gets even more tender to doing wrong again. And that’s what people don’t realize, is the forgiveness that God gives, it motivates us to want to please him more. We’re so overwhelmed by his mercy that he’s given to us. I don’t want to hurt his heart because he’s been so good to me. When your spouse is like that with you, it’s the same way. It’s no different. And so I would just say with couples that you’re looking at your side too much. You’ve got to start believing. You know, I kept thinking about when you were saying that, that the love of God, its hopes are fadeless. The hopes never give up. When Jesus, you know, says to us, he says, hey, you’ve done this, you know, 500 times before, I’m not going to listen to you anymore. Well you know, he’s not going to be saying it 500 times, because you know what? His forgiveness really does release us. And that’s what I’ve noticed about God’s forgiveness in my life, is that it really frees me and empowers me. Her forgiveness to me freed me and empowered me to be a better husband. I know that marriage is an institution given by God because it makes us better as individuals. God said in Malachi that “He’s looking for godly offspring out of marriage.” Well it says offspring in the New King James. But in another version it says, “Looking for godly children.” And I think what God is saying is not only natural children, but it makes us better men and women of God because you’d never, ever, ever had read one book by John Bevere, never, not one had it not been for Lisa Bevere. Never. Because I am today because of what she and Jesus have done in my life.

SID: There was a quote you told me before we went on the air, it’s from the Message Bible about divorce. Would you tell that again.

JOHN: Well you know, Jesus, if you look at the Message Bible, when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and to his own disciples, he called marriage God’s art. And he said, “I’ll hold you accountable for desecrating God’s art. Can you imagine if somebody went and on the Mona Lisa, the original, would have just vandalized it. I mean, Leonardo Da Vinci would have rolled over in his grave, right. Can you imagine how God feels the way marriage is being treated right now in our nation, even amongst Christians. It’s like our society is taking God’s term and they’re desecrating it right now with the way they’re defining it. They’re ruining this organic union.

SID: John, there’s a lot of hurting people out there. Would you pray for them?

JOHN: I want to look at you right now. If your marriage is under attack, let me tell you, this attack can be thwarted, it can be stopped. And so I want to pray for you right now. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom I belong to, whom I serve, who has changed my marriage, I speak to the demonic forces that have attacked this marriage and I break the power of those forces, and I call for strife and division to leave this marriage. I release forgiveness into this marriage and I release the hope that is in Christ Jesus into this marriage. In Jesus’ name, I command all opposition, every word that’s been spoken against your union. I break the power of those words and I release the Word of God that says, there will be a miracle, there will be a fusing together of the hearts and souls in this marriage, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

SID: I have a word from God for you. Don’t give up. Never give up.

SID: Now I hope you like our aprons. It says, “Meshuga for Yeshua”. Meshuga is Hebrew for crazy and Yeshua is Hebrew for Jesus. So it’s saying, “Crazy for Jesus”. And some of you are laughing at me at home. I’m going to get the last laugh. Who are you crazy for? Well when we were going to break, I’m concerned about what is going on inside of our bodies. This inflammation, it’s pandemic, literally, and it’s increasing all the time. And you tell me that it’s the cause of just about every disease there is. So you said you have a solution. Before we, during our break, Cherie told me she was going to introduce me to God’s pharmacy.

CHERIE: And here we are. And this is our answer. The anti-inflammatory diet is what we’re talking about today and showing you. And whether you juice or not, not everybody wants to juice vegetables, but everybody has got to eat. We eat usually three times a day, and some people are eating even more than that.

SID: Why are you looking at me that way?

CHERIE: You don’t. You’re trim. But we’ve got to eat something.

SID: Right.

CHERIE: Let’s eat God’s food, real food, clean food, they’re calling it today, non-sprayed, no pesticides, not adulterated, not denatured, not put in boxes and packages, but real, whole food, God’s vegetables and fruit and beautiful clean meats, and wild caught fish, and stuff not sprayed, organic. And this is God’s answer. This is what he’s provided for us. It’s the right fuel for these bodies.

SID: Point out a little of God’s pharmacy here. This looks so good. You’re getting me hungry.

CHERIE: And I hope to get everybody hungry. So we’ve got a beautiful salmon nicoise salad. Nicoise is just the vegetables and so forth, arranged on the plate. And you could put a dressing over it, beautiful wild caught salmon. We’ve got rutabaga on here. Try some vegetables you haven’t tried before, absolutely going to be so great for you. And then moving over, we’ve got a free-range chicken and this is good for you, and vegetables, green beans and carrots. Get more vegetables into your diet. Everybody is studying, from Harvard University on down, and increasing the number of vegetables that we should be eating. Servings are going up. It’s not the five any more. It’s seven to maybe 13, and so few people are eating hardly any. So it’s time to do that. That’s why I love to talk about juicing. You can get a whole bunch of those vegetables in.

SID: That looks more like fruit. Is that?

CHERIE: Here’s an anti-inflammatory shake: dark red cherries, proven by studies to cut down inflammation. Dark chocolate, this is unsweetened. Remember we want to get those sugars out. And a good milk like almond milk or hemp milk, unsweetened, and blend all that up and we’ve got a fabulous anti-inflammatory dark chocolate cherry shake, dark cherries also very good for gout, anyone that’s suffering from that. I’ve got so many recipes that I share with people, like this.

SID: Now Cherie, I have a lot of friends that salt everything. What’s wrong with table salt?

CHERIE: Well here we’ve got a little example. The table salt that we find everywhere today in restaurants and what we buy and take home, is not good. If it is salt, it’s heated to very, very high temperatures, anti-caking agents, sugars, and all sorts of things put in there. But what they’re using a lot today is from the crude oil flake leftovers that they’re creating for salt. Do not do that. Do not have that salt. Get the real stuff like pink Himalayan salt or sea salt and use that because it’s rich in minerals. That’s the kind of salt God gave us.

SID: What about, I have to talk about me now, I microwave everything. What’s wrong with microwave?

CHERIE: Okay, I’m going to come to your house. We cannot microwave. It creates toxic byproducts in our food. And lots of people love the convenience. Oh, I’ll just pop it in the microwave, you know, a couple of minutes. This is not good. All of this convenience is harming our bodies. We do not want toxic byproducts in our food, and it denatures and destroys nutrients, and then creates toxicity on top of it. A lot of people say to me, can’t I just microwave it because I don’t care if I destroy all the nutrient for a few meals. No, no, no, because you’re going to end up with toxic stuff in there. And so I say, it’s so easy, I heat everything up. Get out a pan. Just put your leftovers in there. Get out your teakettle, warm your water there, heat it up. It will only take maybe a minute or two more, but you’re saving your body, and you’re doing so much good for your body.

SID: Allergies, it’s pandemic. I mean, you take a kid to a doctor today and they’ll have a list, you’re allergic to a hundred things. What’s causing that?

CHERIE: Yes. It’s our bad diet and all of the foods that are denatured, the fiber removed, all the nutrients practically removed, And they’re chock full of toxic stuff, pesticides, herbicides in there, additives, colors, the dyes in there, and all sorts of other preservatives and things in that food. The body was never designed to have that. And then we’re missing out on God’s pharmacy, all of the high nutrition we need: the vitamins, minerals, enzymes, biophotons, phytonutrients that feed our body, feed our immune system. So all of these allergies, asthma and so forth, this is an immune system out of balance, out of whack, over-reacting, causing all of these problems. So many people I’ve worked with get on the right program and many of these allergies disappear.

SID: Another problem in America is most Americans are grossly overweight. If we eat all this great food, we’re going to be even fatter.

CHERIE: We’re going to be slimmer.

SID: Why?

CHERIE: Like you. We’re going to be trim. Because you know what? We’re not getting all of that food that’s, it’s a model culture food diet that’s going all over the world right now. It’s based on gluten and potato starch, and corn, and sugar, and in all sorts of forms. That is the most fattening stuff on the face of the earth. And you know? On top of it, people are still hungry. So people will eat a whole bunch of this stuff and a little while later, they’ll say, I’m still hungry, I want a little something, I want something else. It’s not a bowl of ice cream your body is craving. But people are still eating and eating, and eating because your brain is sending a message to your body, feed me nutrients, vitamins, minerals, enzymes. I need more the right stuff and they’re not giving it the right stuff, so they’re eating and eating, and eating bags of chips and crackers, and cookies, and burgers and fries, and shakes, milkshakes, and ice cream, and on and on it goes.

SID: You know what I’m so amazed? Doctors say stress is one of the most dangerous things and causes so many problems. This will get rid of your stress. I can’t wait for you to see in your life the marriage of the natural and the supernatural, and I pray in Yeshua’s name that you start taking care of your body, which God says is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Sid:  How about you? I mean you think you’re being anonymous you think no one knows about you? Well God says “I have every hair on your head numbered” and I believe that you are one of God’s choicest vessels of all the generations to be alive. God has called you to His kingdom for such a time as this and if you want a real understanding of where we’re at and why it’s so important, why there’s such a war for the supernatural blindness and separation between Jews and Christians. But God’s doing something and you want to be on God’s side. You don’t want to be a goat nation, you don’t want to be on the side that God says “I’ll curse those who curse the Jewish people.”  You want to be on the side where God says “I’ll bless those who bless the Jewish people.”

Turn to John chapter 17 starting in verse 20 and this is the Messiah’s prayer most of us are familiar with but let’s look at it in a different way. The Messiah prayed “I do not pray for these alone” He was praying for the Jewish people that were with Him at that time. He says “I do not pray for these alone but also for those who will believe in Me through their word.” So He’s praying for those who will believe in the report of the Jewish people of the Jewish prophets based on the Jewish scriptures about the blood of the Jewish Messiah, the Gentiles. So who is the Messiah praying for? The whole world Jews and Gentiles.

Now John 17 verse 21 here’s what His prayer is “That they all may be one as you Father are in Me and I in You that they.” Who’s they? Jews and Gentiles. “Well I’ve heard people say it’s Baptist and Presbyterians, and Pentecostals, and Catholics.” No for sure not. Why? None of them existed when the Messiah prayed this prayer there was only 2 people groups at that time Jews and Gentiles. My goodness you need help to get confused on that.  So Yeshua prayed “That they all (that’s Jews and Gentiles) may be one.”

What will happen when Jews and Gentiles become one? I read to you the other day from Romans it say it’ll cause life from the dead when Jewish people are grafted back into their own olive tree. But this is what the Messiah says “When they become one.” The next verse verse 22 of John 17 “And the glory which you gave Me.” Imagine the glory that’s on the Messiah imagine how awesome that glory is it’s without measure. “The glory which you gave Me I have given them that they may be one just as We are one.” That glory is going to make us one but when we’re one that’s going to release the glory, the 2 go together. You want to see the same glory without measure that’s on the Messiah, on the church? All we have to do is believe the prayer of Messiah Yeshua “That they may be one.” Not only will the glory be released at that time.

Jump down to the 26^th verse of the same chapter “And I have declared to them your name and will declare it. (This is what else is going to happen) That the love with which you love Me may be in them.” Do you want to see the kind of love that the Messiah had, the acceptance of Messiah had, the peace the Messiah had because of His relationship with God the Father? Would you like to see that type of relationship that you would have with God the Father? Would you like to see that kind of intimacy? Would you like to say like Messiah said “I only do what I see My heavenly Father doing. I only say what My heavenly Father says.” Would you like to have that type of union with God? Would you like to have a release of that kind of love? It’s all tied to the prayer of Messiah that they may be one. Who may be one? Jew and Gentile. One in who? One in Messiah, One New Man. I’ll tell you it’s so simple you need help to get confused on it.

In Malachi the 4^th chapter the 6^th verse this is very important. You realize this is the last book of the Christian Bible Old Testament. You also realize that the New Testament that we treasure was not available for the first church, it was even penned till about 50 AD. So what happened for those 20 years from 30 till 50 when they refer to the scriptures? They are not referring to the New Testament they are referring to the Jewish scriptures.  So what’s the last book of the Christian Old testament? The book of Malachi 4^th chapter 6^th verse must have been very important. The last word God chose for the Gentiles to read and “He will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to their fathers lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.” Well I believe this is talking about literal fathers and literal children but the book of Romans the 9^th chapter tells us there’s a spiritual application to the word fathers. It says “We owe a debt of gratitude to the Jewish people because of them is the fathers, of them is the glory.”

You see when the Jew and the Gentile become one we get that Old Covenant glory combined with that New Covenant glory and devil watch out your days are numbered. God says it even stronger than that, He says here in Malachi “That unless the hearts of the fathers (the Jewish people).” Well if the fathers are the Jewish people who are the children? The Christians. “Unless the hearts of the Jewish people are turned to the Christians, and the hearts of the Christians are turned to the Jewish people I’m going to strike this earth with a curse.” Sound familiar? Sound like the 5^th commandment? Honor your mother and father so your life will be long. In other words there’s a curse if Jews and Christians don’t get together, and there is a blessing long life life of God if the 2 get together.

See how important this is? This is why I wrote my new book because I believe it’s a forerunner of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. It’s called “The Last Lap.” You know one of my earlier books was called “There Must Be Something More.” I remember as a college student, Jewish not knowing the Messiah. I used to write music and songs and one of my songs was “There Must Be Something More.” The words went something like this:

 

Because I work eat sleep and that’s the way it goes.

Because I work eat sleep and that’s the way it goes.

There MUST be something more.

 

My heart was crying out I knew there was something more. Then when I became a believer in the Messiah I recognized what that something more was. It’s knowing the Messiah, but in my heart that song is ringing even louder than ever before. Yes I’m at peace in knowing the Messiah, but (crying out) Oh God I know that there’s something more in intimacy, there’s something more in the miraculous, there’s something more in loving God with all of my heart that I’m capable of, there’s something more in loving my brother as I love myself and I’m capable of! God unless you make that move on me, unless you allow me to have greater intimacy then I can’t do it! I can will it! I can want it but oh God I need you to cause the miracle!

I believe the book that I’ve written “The Last Lap” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man” is going to be the teaching catalyst. I’m not the only one that has this teaching. It’s rearing up all over the world right now. I hear people in Israel talking about this, people in Russia, people in the United States, people in England all over the world people are talking about the emergence of the One New Man.

Let me read to you a few of the questions I deal with in this book. Why are there so few miracles in the church today? And this is a biggy, how has Christianity deviated from the Biblical pattern? Should Christians observe the Saturday Sabbath? Why do Jews distrust Christians? What is the “Rabbinic Conspiracy?” Who is Israel? What will the glorious church look like? What is the future for Messianic Judaism and Christianity? What will the catalyst be to release the greatest and last revival on planet earth? What is the glorious congregation going to look like?

I was in Boone, North Carolina a few weeks ago and I went into a Christian bookstore and started to… I got a book on intimacy with God and so the person selling it to me started a conversation and said “Oh this is a wonderful book.” I said “What church do you go to?” They said “Well we used to go to so and so church and it’s not because they were doing anything wrong but we just stopped going. We just have such a hunger for an intimacy with God. It wasn’t that this church was doing anything bad but it was same old same old and God didn’t have to show up and no one would even know.” They didn’t say that but that was the implication so they started a house group, and you know the first church started in house groups. I am finding this happening all over the world. There are so many good Christians that aren’t even in the church today because they can’t put their finger on it but it’s just… I can put my finger on it. It’s religion, it’s tradition at its stinkiest but I believe this satisfaction is a Godly dissatisfaction and it’s going to result in the birth in a movement of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history when the latter rain and the former rain start coming down together one. When Jew and Christian are coming together, when the middle wall of separation is broken down it’s not going to be a Messianic Jewish synagogue and a Gentile church coming together for picnics. Oh no! God has something bigger something so much bigger planned. You see He’s going to… remember I said earlier the Jew looks at the Christian and says “I don’t see anything Jewish that you have.” The Christian looks at the Jew and says “I don’t see anything Christian that you have.” Oi vey how can there be such an oxymoron? I mean Christianity is Jewish! The 2 are one the 2 are meant to be one it’s like two halves that have to be put together to see the whole.

I tell you we are in the phase right now in which that middle wall of separation is coming down between Jew and Gentile. It’s the last lap and God has reserved His champion to run that last lap, and it’s not the Messianic Jew, and it’s not the Gentile Christian but it’s the 2 arm and arm. His champion running… it looks like we’re behind but when they get in that relay race that last lap is made up of a Jew and Christian holding hands running together a prayer shawl, a tallit around them, running around the track and all the other teams are wondering “Who was that masked man? Oh they’re fast my goodness they’re making me look I’m running in slow motion.” Well God’s in a hurry. Yes God is in a hurry for the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit.

Sid: Sid Roth here with Larry Sparks and Larry this vision it really impressed me that God gave you of those ancient rusty gates that were blocking things tell me about it.

Larry: It’s interesting it’s one of those areas in my life where at the time it was like the supernatural and the theological collided. I was at a revival meeting it was the Bay of the Holy Spirit it was Nathan Morris was the Evangelist ministering and it was a movement that came out of Pastor John Kilpatrick’s church in Mobile, Alabama. Pastor Kilpatrick the Pastor of the Brownsville Revival so God was doing something powerful in their midst they were in Orlando, Florida. I came because I was just hungry, I do whatever I can to connect myself with the legitimate move of the Holy Spirit and I encourage people if you feel dry and weary and your faith is waning and you want that fire back in your faith one of the best things that you can possible do is to expose yourself to the move of God is to connect with what God is doing. That’s what I did I went to this Revival Meeting and at the end we were just having altar time I’ll never forget Lidia Stanley the Worship Leader started to play a prophetic song and over and over again she started singing “Open up the gates, open up the doors.” And I remember rushing to the altar it’s one of those things where Sid my mind didn’t know what was happening but my spirit knew that God wanted to release something I didn’t quite know what it was but I ran up to the altar and I was just hungry and I was just kneeling down. It was a vision of the mind where I saw as we were singing this the atmosphere of hunger crying out “God open up the gates.” I had this vision of the mind where I saw these ancient rusty gates and when I explain gates it’s like they have bars down the middle and so it’s not a complete door it’s a gate that something can get through through the bars but in a limited quantity. And I felt this as I saw this the Lord spoke to me and said “Over you know…My Spirit has not been withdrawn from the earth.”  Now sometimes even in Charismatic circles we think “Well there was the Book of Acts and then there’s a kind of silent time and then there’s Azusa Street happen.” But His Spirit really one thing I learned His Spirit has not been withdrawn from the earth and it’s so important to recognize that because throughout history there has been a remnant there have been people in every generation pressing in for the fullness of God. And what I saw in this vision is that throughout this century there has been a measure of activity of supernatural activity released from heaven into the earth through these like small holes in the gates.  But as time is progressing toward the end as we’re entering really the last and great harvest and that there…Sid I know that you connect with a lot of people I think that by enlarge there is this atmosphere of just corporate hunger perhaps more than ever before.  I just see it there’s communities rising up training people in the supernatural, more and more becoming theologically recognized. There’s theologians of the Holy Spirit I’m seeing something amazing. And in that vision what I saw was as this just cry of anger went up in great desperation I saw the gates actually lifting so that no longer was there just a restricted flow of the supernatural coming in through these holes in the bars but actually the entire gate was going up and there was just an unrestricted measure of the presence and power of God, gifts of the Spirit being released through that open gate.  It was amazing I believe that is the season that we’re entering into and like I said the key was as I saw the gate lifted up it was like the gate was controlled not by God’s sovereignty but by the hunger and the cries of the people who wanted more.

Sid: Now you talk in your book about bad stewardship of the supernatural explain what you mean.

Larry: Well.

Sid: And that’s been restricting things in the past.

Larry: Yes, yes and even again sometimes in communities where we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit where we believe in the power of God we have a stewardship. And one thing we need to recognize is what we received 2000 years ago God gave us a precious gift He gave us His Son He gave us the Messiah. The wonderful thing is Jesus the Messiah came to yes get us into heaven He forgave us of our sins and cleaned us with His blood but He also made a provision for us to have something on earth. He cleansed us so that we could be people fit so that we could be inhabited by God to be fit to become the temple of God in the earth. So when I talk about stewardship of the supernatural every single Christian, every single genuine believer in Jesus has received the Holy Spirit. I don’t believe there is an upgrade of the Holy Spirit 2.0 type of thing however, however what are we doing with Him.  How…what are we doing with His presence in our life? How are we drawling close to Him? Are we developing and cultivating friendship and intimacy with Him and do we recognize the precious gift that God has given us?  Because I believe as we do, as we simply learn to do life living filled with the Holy Spirit everything changes.

Sid: Okay but what do you mean by stewarding?  We have not been good stewards, what do you mean by that?

Larry: It’s recognizing the Holy Spirit has actually given us the ability to do there is the Person that God’s put inside of us and the Holy Spirit has given every single believer the ability to walk in the supernatural.  I mean Jesus said it very clearly I believe it’s in Matthew 10 when He sent out the disciples He sent them on a mission He said “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons freely you have received, freely you’ve received now freely give.” We’ve received the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead and there’s nothing that’s impossible for Him to do. So stewardship of the Holy Spirit supernatural it’s recognizing what we received and responding appropriately.  For example with faith when we get born again when we get saved it’s the Bible talks about “We receive a measure of faith.” Now do I believe that we should be constantly begging for more faith?”  Now I don’t know if that’s the right language I do know that when we get saved we get a measure of faith this measure of faith is supernatural because it causes us…it enables us to believe that Jesus is the Messiah the Savior.  It enables us to believe that one day we’re going to live with Him for heaven and it enables us to believe that actually the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of us.  My thing is that if we’re able to believe all of those things because of this faith that we received why is it that we’re not putting that faith to work for other things like healing, and deliverance and living what the Bible defines as normal. And that’s the thing, what we’re doing is the Bible is our standard and we’re living beneath the standard and we need to actually raise our experience and our lifestyles back up to the standard and press in for that.

Sid: You know I often wonder I hear many believers say “Oh I don’t have enough faith.” What would you say to them?

Larry: God says “You have enough faith.” God says the word of God says “You have received a measure of faith.” You have faith that can get you to heaven, and you have faith that can raise the dead. So the reality is that we have been given all of the faith we’re going to ever receive. Now we can work it out, we work out faith just like we work out our natural muscles when we go to the gym. When we go to the gym we don’t get new muscles we work out what’s already on the inside of us and that’s what’s going to happen I believe as you take some of these practical keys and apply them whether it’s testimony, or declaring the word of God, or spending time in the presence of God. There are practical things that I believe are going to build your faith just like we build our muscles in the gym.

Sid: You talk about the need for hope in our society we sure have a need amplify on that.

Larry: Yeah, again we’re inundated with hopelessness and I believe that there are some very practical things that we can do to just start stirring up hope inside of us.

1. We need to know that God is able and willing.  Really that’s one of the birth places for hope in us.  A lot of us sing about how God is able, we know that God is able we have a Bible filled with all of the things that show God’s ability.  He split the sea, He walked through the fiery furnace, He’s done so many things He’s demonstrated His ability. But there are so many people that don’t have hope because they had not married God’s ability with His willingness. So I encourage you the God who is able is also willing. And when you know that that stirs up hope, it give you hope it not only God can do this but He wants to.  So you got to know that God is able and willing.
2. Another thing is just spend time in the word of God and look for new possibilities. If you’re sick look for the possibilities of healing they actually release and ignite hope inside of you if you are oppressed, if you are tormented, if you are dealing with fear and anxiety look for Bible promises in the scripture that deal with fear and anxiety and worry. What does that do? It gives you new option.

Sid: Alright what would you say to the person that feels “I see God doing that for others but you don’t know my past I am totally unworthy.”

Larry: Well the wonderful thing is you may feel like you have run a million miles away from God, and I’m sure that there are people that are listening that feel that way. You may feel like listen you don’t know my past, you don’t know my present, you don’t know what I’m dealing with now, you don’t know what I’m struggling with you don’t know the sin I’m in I’ve run so far away from God. But the good news is God has run towards you you can’t run the million miles back to God but the good news is He has run those million miles towards you. And what we just simply need to do is turn make about face whatever your struggling with, whatever you’re dealing with whatever the past the devil want to have that over you like a constant rain cloud. So all you’re focused on are your mistakes and your failures and your sins. Here’s what I encourage you to do “Repent.” What does that mean “To do an about face.” You may be staring at all of the junk I encourage you right now to do that just by the power and the unction of the Holy Spirit just turn around from those things, turn away from sin and turn towards God. One of the definitions I love of repentance is Bill Johnson calls it a lifestyle of repentance is a lifestyle living face to face with God.” And the reality is we look upon Him because He is infinitely more glorious and beautiful and wonderful and loving than all of that junk. Because all of that junk tries to do all the sin, all of the mistakes it just tries to keep us restrained and held back. So you are not beyond God’s help, you are not beyond God intervention, you are not beyond a miracle I just encourage you turn and face Him.  See Him for how good He truly is. The Bible says “I lift up my eyes to the hills; where does my help come from, it comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.” Even as we talk right now Sid I feel like the Holy Spirit is touching people people like you just described “I’m just unworthy, I’m just unclean.” But the Holy Spirit’s touching them and it’s almost like I see Him taking their chin and they may have had their face and head down in disgust and shame and the Holy Spirit’s just lifting it, lifting it, lifting up their eyes to see God in His mercy and His grace.  Turning their eyes from sin walking towards Him and He’s a faithful God He will never let you down.

Sid: Now you have a big problem with people that pray “Lord if it be your will.” Well they feel pretty humble when they pray that way but what would you say?

Larry: It sounds spiritual, it sounds theological, I’ve heard it and there is…there are times to pray if it be Thy will when it comes to making a decision in life you know when it comes to taking a job moving to a certain city. There are times you know we would call that a prayer of petition. But here’s the thing the Bible makes so many things just black and white. Randy Clark says “The things in the Bible I struggle with are not the complicated things they’re the simple ones.” And by struggle he meant “Those are the things I actually want to live it.”  You know Jesus said like John 14:12 “The same works I have done you will do and greater works.” You know if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, the smallest faith you will say to this “Be removed cast into the sea and it shall be done.” These are pretty black and white scriptures; these are pretty black and white truth.” So I really believe that there are things in the Bible that are black and white very clear that there’s no if it be Thy will.  There is no if it be Thy will when it comes to healing. When it comes to deliverance seeing people set free from demonic torment, from fear. Those are the…why do I say that, why can I say that with confidence because Jesus Christ was the expressed image of the invisible God. What does that mean? Everything that Jesus said, everything that Jesus did totally accurately revealed the will of God. And what Jesus did. And that’s why it’s so important for us to spend time in the gospels.

Sid: Can I do everything that Jesus did?

Larry: Yes, absolutely you absolutely can. It’s 100% legal and here’s the thing Jesus 100% God 100% man He’s our Messiah and He’s also our model for the Christian life.  He showed us what it meant to live a life filled with the Holy Spirit. I don’t think that Jesus really needed out of necessity a baptism of the Holy Spirit but he got one. He was baptized by John the Baptist and so many of us are familiar with that story but Jesus was baptized in the water but He also received a baptism of the Holy Spirit.  Why did He need it? No He was the Messiah God He was the Son of God, but He was from that moment what life could look like as a people as a people as men and women who are living filled with the Holy Spirit. He gave us a model and He gave us an example and that needs to be the standard.

Sid: You have some interesting quotes in your book I guess it came from your studying previous revivals, but one is A.W. Tozer wrote “The devil can handle me but can’t handle the one to whom I’m joined” comment.

Larry: Yes that’s the thing I see when it comes especially when it comes especially to spiritual warfare what I mean by that or when we are dealing with torment, when we are dealing with demonic, when we’re dealing with spiritual forces that are against us that Paul talks about in Ephesians. You know spiritual warfare and I see a lot of Christians today who are wrestling and fighting against a defeated devil. Is he out there still? He absolutely is and he works to try to deceive us and one of the main things that he want to deceive us is out of believing is that believing that the one that lives inside of us is actually greater than the one who is in the world and that that’s the devil. And you know what and this is just some good news for those of you who feel like you’re in spiritual conflict. Keep persevering, fight from victory not for victory because you already have victory in Jesus and the reality is the devil is not the opposite of God. He’s not like God’s arch nemesis where you just never know if God’s going to win or the devils going to win it doesn’t work like that. The devil is actually a created being and Jesus made it possible for him to be stripped of authority. And now we will…Jesus has given us the ability to trample upon the powers of the enemy. So I just encourage people we are to…not go against the devil not to try to fight him in our own ability in our own resources just as people but as we come just as people filled with the Holy Spirit using the word of God he cannot handle that, he cannot handle the One living inside of us.

Sid: Do you need a breakthrough in your life? Of course you do well you’re about to have a breakthrough of epic proportions….When we come back I want Larry to tell about the things he’s working on his Masters studying revivals what a wonderful Masters degree he’s just about finished it but he has some nuggets that are life changing for you.

Sid: I have on the telephone Jayne Griffin wife of Bob Griffin I’m speaking to her at her home in New Boston, Michigan.  Jane I understand a prophet kept telling you over and over again that you were supposed to be married, tell me about that.

Jayne: Yes I had met Bob and we were both in an Easter musical together and we became friends and he started calling me on the phone and prophesying to me we would talk for hours.  He would prophesy to me that you have no idea how quickly your husband is coming you’re going to married by Christmas. And at this time it was September so I had no idea that it would be so soon, but the Lord had already spoken to me that Bob was to be my husband but the Lord hadn’t spoken to him yet.

Sid: And so here this guy is telling you that he knows that you’re supposed to be married and you know that you’re supposed to marry him, so when did the two of you figure out together.

Jayne: (Laughing) It’s interesting because the Lord called us on a 11 day fast and on the 10^th day of the fast Bob said that he heard the Lord speak a word and said “Jayne is to be your helpmate.”  And in his mind he thought “Wow I’m starting a church and she’s going to be a part of it.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Jayne: She’s going to help me and then he had a vision of an umbrella in his hand and it opened up and I walked under it.  And he said “That’s so cool he knows she’s going to be part of my church too you know.”  He had no clue. So we go to celebrate the end of the 11day fast and he shares this with me. And I already know in my heart that we’re supposed to be together but you know I’ve been waiting for God to speak to him so he’s sharing it with me and I say “Do you know what that means?” And he looked at me and he said “No, do you know what it means I don’t know yet?”  And I wasn’t going to say it you know I wanted God to speak to him. So he kept looking back and forth and he’d go I don’t know what it means and I would say “Well I don’t know what it means.” And all of a sudden you see the lightbulb in his head you see it in his face his whole countenance changed and he’s like “Oh okay.” He said “We got to get together tomorrow and pray.” So we got together the next day and prayed and the Lord said “This is your wife” and He gave us Genesis 12:19.” And we’re like “What does that mean?” So he looked it up and it said “Why do you call her your sister for she is your wife take her and go.”

Sid: Hm.

Jayne: And then we got married on 12/19 which was only 5 weeks after the time we got together to pray.

Sid: Now you’ve been married how long?

Jayne: Nine and half years now.

Sid: And you have how many children?

Jayne: Four.

Sid: And I understand your children are pretty prophetic too tell me what’s going on with them.

Jayne: Yes my oldest is Jasmine she’s 8 now, she started having dreams when she was 3 actually the Lord has been speaking to her a lot in dreams.  So we get out a dream book, we encourage everyone to get out a dream book and write down what God is telling them and ask God how to interpret them. So we encourage her to share her dream and Bob would write the dream down.  There was one time when she was 4 and she was going to this K-4 school it was a Baptist Church School and they had show and tell one day. So she said “Mommy I’m going to take my dream book and share what God is telling me.” So she gets to class and the Baptist teacher was just bawling when I got to class and she said “I was so blessed when Jasmine brought her dream book and God has been speaking to her.” So that was real exciting to see that.

Sid: Now one of your children literally saw an oppression that came on Bob.

Jayne:  Yes that was Jasmine when she was 3 or 4. Bob was just really depressed at one point in his life and she walked into the bedroom where he was sleeping and he woke up talked to her.  And she said “Daddy look at the dogs, make the dogs go away.” And he’s like “What honey what are you talking about?” And she said “No there’s dogs all around there.” And so I came down there and we prayed and commanded the spirits of oppression and depression to leave the house.  And she said “Mommy, daddy the dogs are gone, the dogs are gone.” And we went through probably a couple of years after that she would tell me at the church she’d lean over and tell me “Mommy that has a dog following him.”  (Laughing) So it’s just a lot of discernment there and our littlest just recently Bob went upstairs and she was crying in the middle of the night. Rachel was 3 and he picked her and said “It’s okay honey we’ll just pray.” And he prayed that Jesus would be in the room and all of the sudden she said “Move daddy look.” And she was like moving around his head and she said “Look daddy there’s an angel and there’s a little one too, there’s a big one and a little one.” And she said “That’s for me and for you.” It was really cute (Chuckling.)

Sid: Jayne before you married Bob did you move in the prophetic?

Jayne: I had lots of prophetic dreams where the Lord…I felt like I was really in intercession for a lot of things and a lot of people at churches and different people that I knew in my life that I was praying for at work and you know in the secular world. And I had dreams and visions back then and the Lord used me a lot and still does in the physical realm of healing.

Sid: Tell me the first time that God used you in that realm.

Jayne: Oh it was so exciting I was called to be a part of this prayer team and we prayed over these wheelchairs that had cancer and different illness. So I was praying over this one lady that was in a wheelchair that had cancer and the Lord just said “Demand the cancer spirit to leave her and ask her to stand up and walk.” And I did and I said “The Lord wants you to stand up and walk.” And she said “Okay and so she just grabbed my hand and she came right up and she said “I couldn’t do this before, I haven’t done this for 20 years!” So it was really exciting especially for my first time seeing that.

Sid: You tend to hear God’s voice really well, did this just all of a sudden start or is this something you cultivated.

Jayne: I really cultivated I was in a really good Bible believing church and home group and they really encouraged me.  When I first got filled with the Holy Spirit I mean I’ve been saved all of my life I grew up in a Christian home but until I was baptized in the Holy Spirit when I was about 26 that’s when I really fell in love with Jesus. And I went to this church and this home group and they said “Okay I want everyone to pull out a pen and paper in your quiet time everyday and God wants to speak to you and next week I want you to bring it with you and share what God has spoken to you.”  And so this really put the pressure on me “Oh wow I really want to do this and wow God really wants to speak to me?” And so I would pray in the Spirit for hours everyday and it’s like He would give me one word at a time and He would keep encouraging me and it just built up the faith in me and the hunger to want to keep searching after Him and finding out what He’s saying.

Sid: Jayne many times when you have words for people you actually know their first name; when did this start?

Jayne: Yeah when I’m praying for people this happens a lot actually.  It even happened with Bob before we got married I was praying for him he had hurt his ankle I believe it was a ligament he had sprained it really really bad.  The doctor said he’d be in rehab rehabilitation for 2 years; the Lord told him to go to the hospital I’m going to heal you.  So that night he went to the hospital anyway and came home that night and had me come down there and pray for him. I laid my hands on his ankle and I prayed for his healing and the Lord said “He needs to forgive this certain person; He gave me the name.”  And I think it was Mark at the time and “The Lord’s telling me you need to forgive Mark so that you can be healed.”  So he said “Oh I didn’t know I was upset with him” and said “Okay let’s do that.”  He asked God to forgive him and put forgiveness in Mark’s heart for him and the Lord told him to stand up. And so he stood up and he was totally and completely healed; he was running around the church. So He’s given me names when I’m praying for people even with facts. I have a lady just recently and I said “The Lord’s telling me to ask you who Sam is?” And she burst out crying.  And I said, “The Lord’s wanting you to forgive Sam to receive your healing.” And she said “Okay.” And so she prayed and forgave and she said “My back doesn’t hurt anymore I can do this, I can do that.”  And I mean that’s kind of how God uses me with names.

Sid: Any last thought Jane.

Jayne: I just want to encourage people to spend that quiet time that was a valuable, valuable word of wisdom that my home group leader gave me. Get out a pen and paper and spend time with God, write down what He’s telling you, right down your dreams, it’s very, very important to cultivate that relationship and keep it thriving.

Sid: Thank you Jane.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Peter Gammons I’m speaking to him at his office at Orlando, Florida where’s Pastor of Cathedral of Faith and we’re finding out some fascinating things about this man of God. For instance, he was in Brazil and 45 deaf and dumb people were instantly healed during the week of meetings that he had.  Forty-five deaf and dumb I mean this is unbelievable outside of God says “All things are possible to those that believe.” There are people that are listening to us right now Peter that have never seen a miracle.  And I’m believing that before this week is through that you’re going to pray a prayer of faith and that people all over the world are going to be receiving miracles. On yesterdays broadcast you’re a young 17 year old, you went into a church and a man laid hands on you that was around Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died and Kathryn Kuhlman passed her anointing on to this man, what was his name “

Peter: His name was Ed Goev.

Sid: And what did he say to you and what did he do?

Peter: Well as I said we were in the middle of this meeting and when I was singing to God “To God the Glory for great things He’s done.”  And suddenly he said “Stop.” And then he pointed at me and said “You boy come here!” I was terrified I thought I must have done something wrong and God had told him because I never heard of prophecy being positive.  I had heard people talk about how God had exposed sins through prophecy and I couldn’t think of anything I had done so I thought “Oh Lord, what have I done?” And I came forward and he laid hands on me and he prophesied and said “You will take My healing message and My healing Power to the Lord.” And as I mentioned on yesterday’s program it was the same message that this woman had come up to me and said “Peter” and told me this message as I arrived at the meeting. And…

Sid:  But what was going on inside of you when he laid hands on you?

Peter: Oh I just went down in the power of the Holy Spirit I kept trying to get up and going down again.

Sid: Has this ever happened to you before?

Peter: No it was almost unknown in Britain it had not been happening before and suddenly I was overwhelmed by this presence of God. People asked “What it’s like?” It’s like resting in the presence of God it’s the closest thing to heaven on earth. You see our bodies were designed for earth so when heaven touches earth sometimes it’s more than our bodies can contain and we’re just overwhelmed by the presence of God. I don’t use the term “Slain in the Spirit” which sounds an aggressive thing it’s a resting in the Spirit. What happened was that and I got up and went back to my seat at the end of the service this rather large gentleman came up to me and said “Would you pray for me to be filled with the Spirit?” So I’m looking for the preacher because I’m thinking “Well you know I can’t pray for him who am I you know.” And he said “Not him you you’re the one who got the prophecy.” So I touched him and as I touched him to pray for him he went down with the power of the Holy Spirit.  And of course nobody was there to catch him and because he was so big he just knocked everybody flying it was like (imitating sound of explosion) had explosion everybody turned around and seeing me continuing my prayer with this big man laying on the floor.  And that’s how God through me out into the ministry through that very day.  I literally that day had people come up and say “Would you come and preach to our youth group, would you come and preach in our church? Would you come and minister at our home fellowship? (Laughing) the funniest one was do you have any Sunday’s free this year? And I said yeah “Just 52 of them.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Peter: And that’s how God through me out into ministry through that very night in that very empowering with the Holy Spirit.  And as I said this man received the anointing through Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died she prayed for him to receive the anointing.

Sid: Now at what point did miracles start when you began praying for people after that?

Peter: I think it was a meeting that followed on from that event I was invited to a home fellow in a place called Royston near Cambridge which was near where my home was. And there was a man there who had crutches and he was deaf. And in the service I prayed for him and he instantly heard in the services and I believe that that was the first notable miracle.  I had prayed after this with friends and their stomach aches had been healed but nothing that’s significant but he didn’t walk.  Then a week later they telephoned me and they said “You know that man you prayed for he’s thrown away his crutches and bought a bicycle.” And so that was really when miracles began to happen after that event. Another key event happened I ended up in full time ministry because so many invitations that were coming in as an evangelist and I read a book called “Healing on Mass” by Dr. TL Osborn and that transformed my life. Dr. Osborn became one of my closest friends later on but that’s a whole other story. But I read this book how he wasn’t just praying 1 for 1 for people like I had done in the past but that he would pray for a crowd of 1000’s of people then they’d all get healed at the same time in his crusades. And I’d been invited for 2 events one was a crusade in a little town called Huntingdon in England.  We call it a small city in America and I also was invited for a crusade in Africa in Tanzania in a place called Korogwe. And so I was so excited and the local newspapers in Huntington called me and said “What is going to happen in your crusade in Huntington?” Thinking I was going to talk about nice little sermons I was going to preach.  And I was just so on fire after reading this book by TL Osborn I said “The blind are going to see, the death are going to hear, the cripple are going to walk.” And when I said that the woman said “Oh, oh and of course never even reported what I reported that I totally blew her away with such wild claims at that time what was going to happen. And in reality it didn’t happen because they never came to the meeting.  There was only about 10 or 20 people attended the service at that time. Then I went on to Africa I went on to Tanzania went with a missionary who was returning to he was moving back to England and he didn’t want to go alone so he took me with him and said he’d arrange for meetings if I’d go. And we went there and I held this meeting and as I arrived there in my freshly pressed safari suit that my mother had bought me I stood up to speak and there were Muslims in their distinctive Muslim gowns and all of these sick people in a crowd of people there. And I suddenly had a panic attack, I thought “Why should they believe me this little white guy turns up from England telling them they’ve got to leave their other religions and got to follow Jesus why should they believe me?” This doubt came into my heart and suddenly the answer rose up inside of me “Because it’s true because Jesus really is who the Bible says He is because He’s alive.” And without even thinking about it I said these words, “Mohammed is dead, Buddha is dead but Jesus is alive.” But it wasn’t politically correct but it’s what came out of my mouth.  I said then “Jesus is alive,” and then I said “And He’s going to prove it by healing the sick.” I said “All of those that are with someone that is blind…all those that are blind come forward.” And what happened was the local blind…

Sid: You really stuck your neck out I mean “What if no one got healed?”

Peter: Well it’s just what happened I just said it.

Sid: (Laughing)

Peter: I didn’t even think about what I was saying…

Sid: It was a mind bypass (Laughing.)

Peter: Yeah it was words of faith just rose up inside of me.  And that’s been my convection why we need miracles in evangelism, why evangelism without miracles will never reach the world.

Sid: Well what happened at this meeting?

Peter: Well there was this blind man that was walking by behind. Now most of see more people in a day than these tribal people see in a lifetime, they live and marry and die in the same community.  And you know it’s not a case that “I need to pray about who I’m going to marry there is probably only 5 choices so you go for the best of the 5 in these tribal communities.  And so everybody knew this man and he’s been blind from birth and during his lifetime he’d heard about the mountains that were behind me there was a backdrop of beautiful mountains where I was preaching. And they grabbed him and brought him forward and when they brought him forward everyone else stop coming forward for prayer and it was like “Well if it doesn’t work for him we’re not going to bother.” And I prayed for him and I commanded his eyes to be opened in the name of Jesus and that’s why I’ve written this book that you’ll be mentioning later “The Powerful Name of Jesus.”  Because it’s in Jesus name that miracles happen that’s where the power is not in me.  And I command his eyes to be open in Jesus name and he began to jump up and down and shouted “I can see, I can see.” And then he began to describe the mountains which he’d only herd before but now he saw how beautiful they were.  When that happened they started bringing other blind people forward.  They brought forward this little lady and she had a veil over her face and when she took it back all there was was white eyeballs there was no color there at all she was totally blind. And as I prayed for her suddenly I saw color slowly begin to come and they began to get darker and darker until she had the most beautiful turquoise eyes and she could see.  And then I said “I want those that are deaf to come forward and nobody came and I said “I know you’re here.” And somebody said to me “They can’t hear you that’s why they’re not coming forward.”

Sid:  (Laughing)

Peter: And then I said “I want those that are with somebody who’s deaf to bring them forward” and they brought them forward and I prayed for them.  And then I said “Those that are crippled and lame I want someone to bring them forward” and then the people carried them forward. And this is the honest truth at the end of that crusade I went to the pastors and organizers and leaders and I said “Go out among the people and see if you can find anybody that has not been completely and instantly healed.” And they came back and they said “We could not find one person who had not been completely and instantly healed.” And so that’s how our ministry began and we’ve had nearly 30 years of preaching the gospel around the world. And to me I am more shocked when people are not healed then when they are healed. Somebody says “What’s it like when a deaf person hears or a blind person sees?” I’m more shocked if they’re not healed because I’ve just got used to miracles a daily part of life. In this past almost 30 years if I didn’t see an outstanding miracle every day I would not feel that I could go to bed at night I’m used to it. And I believe that that’s one of the things and one of the reasons why God sent us to America to minister just 2 or 3 years ago.

Sid: Peter I can understand that however there are many anointed men and women of God in America and we’re not seeing what you’re describing how come?

Peter: I think that the Body of Christ the Church needs to recognize that there are different gifts and everybody can’t do everything and I believe that this ministry that God’s given us has a place.  And there are some people that has an anointing to get people out of wheelchairs, there are some people that have anointing for that and it’s only as the church acknowledges and utilizes the gifts that God’s given that God’s purpose will be fulfilled.

Sid: Peter we’re out of time right now…