SID: Pat, you’re minding your own business and God gives you a revelation that is changing lives all over the world.

PAT: Yes.

SID: It’s the revelation of the unqualified.

PAT: Right.

SID: What happened?

PAT: I was driving down the road one day and I’m in my city, and I was running to the post office for my wife, and I had just been talking to some key prophetic voices. And I pull into the post office and the Spirit of the Lord overwhelms me, and I began to weep. And he said, “Get your phone out.” So I pulled out my phone with a little pad on it and the Lord began to speak to me, and he said, “Pat, I’m about to raise up the unqualified. These are the ones that will confound what it really means to be qualified.” He said, “They will come and they will stand for truth against those that have learned to live with maintenance faith versus miraculous faith.” And I begin to weep. I’m sitting in the car. And then he goes on tell me, he said, “They will shake up the kingdom from the north, south, east and west. I will bring forth new voices of nobodies, what the world calls oops and accidents.” They’re always saying there’s no such thing as an illegitimate child. I’ve met many illegitimate parents. But he’s going to raise up the ones that had been thrown away. There are going to be voices that rise up and people go, where in the world did they come from? And when they say no way, he screams Yahweh because God is about to use the ones that everyone else discounted. Then he said to me, “Pat, they’re not Plan B. They are my valued. They are the valued of the Lord.” So I began to weep and it overwhelms me because I personally thought, why in the world would you use me, God. And that’s the way. You know what I found out, from cover to cover I went deep into it. Everyone in the Bible was unqualified that was greatly used.

SID: You’re telling me someone with no education, no money, doesn’t speak properly, may even have a speech impediment.

PAT: Yes.

SID: Tell me, is there hope for them.

PAT: The only hope for them is through the power of the Holy Spirit. That’s who God is raising up, the ones who have had encounters with God. And here’s the qualification for being used by God today. You have to have a limp called brokenness. You have to walk through the wilderness, the wilderness of isolation and confrontation and then consecration. And then he separates you from the world and you make a stand for truth, for power, for the power of the Holy Spirit, for the anointing, for the love. And again, what I’m finding out is right now, Sid, these people that have been sitting on the sidelines for so many years, sitting Christians hatch hypocrites. They got to rise up. They got to do something. Get to Heaven with nothing left to do. I always say when I get to Heaven I don’t want my lifestyle to change. But I also believe when I get to Heaven I want to be able to walk in and say, I’m done, I did what you told me to do. Everyone that is watching this show needs to ask God, get a pen and paper out, go to bed with pen and paper beside the bed. He’ll speak to them in dreams. He’ll give them a prophetic word. And start out saying, “Lord, take me, take me.” And here’s the big thing I’ve learned. The greatest royalty in the Kingdom of God usually comes broken. It’s the [unintelligible] chefs that have dropped, but they have a place at the king’s table. No matter what you’ve been through the hand of God has been on you and it may have felt like he wasn’t, but the whole time he was screaming, “Come on, come on, I’ve still got, I’m still with you.” And those are the ones that God will raise up because they confound those that thought they had it figured out.

SID: Give me a key scripture for they don’t qualify.

PAT: There’s a bunch. Paul said in First Corinthians 4, “We’re the Messiah’s misfits.” It’s in the Message Bible. I love that because I was a misfit. You should have seen my report cards. And all my report cards said, “Talks too much, daydreams”.

SID: Did you really feel you were unqualified?

PAT: My whole life. My whole life. Even preaching to tens of thousands I’d go back and say, why are you using me. But First Corinthians 1 thru 26, thru 28, says “Set me free.” I love it in the Message Bible. I love it in the NIV as well because it says, “You confound the wise with the foolish.” But First Corinthians 1, Verse 26-28 says, “Take a good look friends at who you were when you got called in this life.” I don’t see many of the brightest and the best. I don’t see many of the most influential from influential families. He said, God takes what the world culture ignores and uses it to change humanity. That’s us. If you knew my story you’d shout with me. If you knew where we came from that’s all of us. We’ve all got stories. We’ve all got mistakes we’ve made. We’ve all got history books. But he rewrote our book, the Bible says. In fact, he’s been writing the chapters of our life. We are God’s voice, of power and authority. You have the power and authority to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. You should be a roaming upper room. When you walk into places demons ought to be diving out windows.

SID: What is the greatest hindrance?

PAT: Yeah.

SID: What is the greatest hindrance to be used by God, in your opinion?

PAT: I honestly believe with all my heart it’s insecurity and fear because those things, it’s the root of everything. Until you get passed the mirror and start looking out the window of harvest and realize it’s not about you, that you are God’s raising of his hands and sent to clear up the message. The greatest hindrance is rising up and realizing, number one, God likes you. The Holy Spirit is proof that God wants to be your friend. But the number two, that God has been waiting on you. You’re not an oops, you’re not an accident, you’re his voice that he’s raised up wherever you’re at. Local, that’s the word. In your back yard, change the atmosphere. Start doing things that no one else does. Pray, walk your yard, reclaim your land, lay hands on your children. Walk through your house, turn on worship, pray in the spirit, wash your kids’ feet. Do what others won’t do and God is going to blow your mind and allow you to do things others never could.

SID: Now Pat, a pastor recently called you that showed the video of the last time you were on It’s Supernatural.

PAT: Right.

SID: What happened?

PAT: The pastor from a church in southern California was showing an introduction of our ministry and he used the video of you and I together the last time. And all of a sudden, a lady that was there, this woman is on her death bed, but she wanted to go to church, had been sent home to die from cancer. She came to church that night. It was like a Tuesday night. She’s sitting in Bible study. He shows the video. They take her home. Suddenly she starts feeling better. Suddenly strength comes back into her. Blood starts flowing again. Goes to the doctor, radically healed of cancer after being sent home to die. But here’s what was amazing about it, Sid, she was also a cutter. And when she went to get dressed or whatever, the places that she didn’t want anybody to know, suddenly all of her scars were gone. And I believe there are people that are watching this show right now because there’s an anointing synergy that is flowing that can go out through any camera that are going to be healed of miraculous diseases right now where they’re sitting, because that’s what kind of Father we serve.

SID: I want to tell you something. Pat had a clear vision of the future of America and when he comes back I’m going to have him share this with you and you will be as shocked as he was when he had that vision. I also may turn him loose to do whatever God tells him to do. We’ll be right back.

SID: You know, because of an open Heaven, how would you define an open Heaven, James?

JAMES: I think just the, Heaven is open and but we need to see it, we need to feel it, we need to experience it. And when that happens the Glory of God just descends on people and things begin to happen.

SID: Like for instance, when someone is under an open Heaven and the Glory of God descends, tell me the types of things that happen.

JAMES: Well we see creative miracles. We’ve seen—

SID: Give me an example.

JAMES: More than once we’ve seen people who have had fused vertebrae and suddenly all of that fuse is gone and they have like a new spine in that area, just totally a new created miracle.

SID: What other things happened?

JAMES: We’ve seen people that have received financial miracles. The money they needed for ministry just suddenly manifested.

SID: You know what I find? When the Glory of God comes upon you, because there’s an open Heaven, everything speeds up.

JAMES: Yes.

SID: Is this what you’re finding?

JAMES: Oh yes. I speak of it as an acceleration. Things begin to accelerate in the spiritual realm and the spirit can just minister to a whole group at the same time, and we see people get all kinds of emotional and spiritual healings as well as someone recently healed of claustrophobia just in the Glory presence.

SID: Okay. You told us in the last segment you were at the Mount of Transfiguration and a door opened, and you received an impartation. But you were with a bunch of other people. What happened to them when you saw that open door?

JAMES: Well when that experience was over I let the people know that I had just received this and they immediately lighted up. And I started to pray for them, and one by one they just, they went down under the presence of God in that open Heaven. And we had several people who had a third Heaven visit, others who began to see visions. Some people who had seen angels really for the first time, they began to manifest that they could see them. So the seer anointing just broke loose in these people.

SID: Now some people may be saying, well I wish James could lay hands on me. Is it just as effective for you to speak it?

JAMES: Oh yes, it is.

SID: Well then I commission you in the name of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach Tsidkenu, Jesus the Messiah our Righteousness, pray and impart what God has given you right now.

JAMES: Amen. Amen. Well the Lord told me to release an impartation for a renewed mind. And so I just want to speak that over you right now that the Lord would come and touch in a special way. The Holy Spirit would touch you with this fire, burn away every hindrance, everything that has blocked you, let unforgiveness, bitterness and strife be gone in the name of Jesus Christ. Everything that I may not know of that may be hindering you, let Jesus right now just take that away. Let the Holy Spirit fire come and burn that away. And I’d like to ask you to help me because you don’t have to have me touch you. You want the Holy Spirit to touch you. But the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. So I’m going to ask you if you would to take your hands and put your hands over your eyes right now. And I want to pray the Elijah prayer over you, and say, Lord, I pray open their eyes that they may see. Now I’m putting my faith behind it. I’m asking you to put your faith behind it and believe that what you have prayed the Lord has released, and your spiritual eyes are open wider now than they ever been before. If you would take your hands and put them over your ears right now and speak the same prayer. Lord, I pray open their ears that they may hear. You pray it: Lord, open my ears that I might hear.

SID: Open my ears that I might hear.

JAMES: And believe it. Put your faith behind it. And I believe that Jesus releases it right now. I feel something shifting in the spirit right now. The Lord has released it. Just receive it in his name. Put your hands over your heart. Say, Lord, I want to have a heart to perceive. So Lord, I pray.

SID: Heart to perceive.

JAMES: Let my heart to be open to perceive spiritual things. And I believe that it’s important, all the senses, if you would, this may sound a little strange, but put your hands over your nose and say, nose.

SID: Nose.

JAMES: Open up.

SID: Open up.

JAMES: To smell the things of the Kingdom.

SID: To smell the things of the Kingdom.

JAMES: Lord, I pray.

SID: Lord I pray.

JAMES: That you would open up everyone’s sense of smell to be able to detect the fragrances of Heaven, the fragrance of the Holy Spirit, the fragrance of the angels and the fragrance of Jesus. Lord, open up that sense. And now if you would, I’m believing you received it, but just one more step. Put your fingers over your lips and we’re going to pray right now. Lord.

SID: Lord.

JAMES: Open up a sense of taste.

SID: Open up a sense of taste.

JAMES: So everyone can taste you.

SID: So I can taste you.

JAMES: And know that you are good.

SID: And know that you are good.

JAMES: That we can taste your Word and it’s sweeter than honey.

SID: That I can taste your Word.

JAMES: Lord, open up all five senses right now.

SID: Thank you, Lord.

JAMES: In the mighty name of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach. Amen and amen.

SID: Amen.

JAMES: We put our faith behind it. We believe it and receive it in Yeshua’s name. Amen.

SID: There’s one more sense, the most important one. God wants to open up your spirit to know him. This is eternal life that you might know him, have experiential knowledge. Say, Dear God, out loud, Dear God, I’m a sinner. Forgive me for my sins. I believe the blood of Jesus washed away my sins and I’m clean. And now that I’m clean, Jesus, come inside of me. I make you Lord of my life. I love you, Lord. I love you Jesus. Thank you, Lord. Amen.

Sid: I have a brand new book in my hands “Seven Secrets to Power Praying” by Dr. Jane Glenchur. I have Jane on the telephone right now, and Jane is a dermatologist, a medical doctor, but she… You got saved before you went to medical school? Briefly how did that happen Jane?

Jane: Well I grew up in a denominational church and they did not teach about having a person relationship with the Lord; they didn’t believe in miracles or supernatural occurrences, so I had head knowledge but not heart knowledge of God. It was very easy to walk away from my faith in college and be talked out of my beliefs because it was simply head knowledge. But right before I was applying to medical school God got my attention and I had seen Pat and Shirley Boone talking about his new book called a “New Song” on television. I don’t even what they said I only remember was they was filled with a joy and peace that I didn’t have and I wanted it desperately. So I decided maybe if I read their book I would figure out why they had this joy and peace and how I could have that. And it was in the middle of that book where I heard an inner audible voice of the Lord say “Chose today whom you will serve.” I’m not even sure I understood that I was hearing God’s voice, but I answered and said “I don’t want to choose I want to control my life I don’t want to go to church on Sunday I’ll get religious when I’m older.” And then I went back to reading the book but I couldn’t read the book because that inner quiet voice said “Choose today whom you’ll serve.” And so I put the book down and I said “Well what do I believe? Well I believe that God created the universe it’s obvious from all the details and this couldn’t happen by chance but what do I believe about Jesus?” And that’s where God really convicted me that Jesus died. He rose from the dead, He gave us His Holy Spirit and I came to the conclusion that if I didn’t choose Jesus, I had really chosen by default to serve Satan and to be part of the, you know, Satan’s plan, the kingdom of darkness. I thought I didn’t want that and I do believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose. There’s enough historical evidence for that. So at that point I recommitted my life to Christ just as I was applying to medical school.

Sid: And from what I understand had you not done that whatever tiny bit of faith you had would have been drummed out of you at medical school am I right?

Jane: Yes.

Sid: Okay, then something spectacular in my opinion happened to you God spoke to you and told you after you had become a dermatologist, and obviously a profitable profession. You’re doing well and God tells you to quit work.

Jane: Yeah.

Sid: That must have been a shocker?!

Jane: (Laughing) To say the least.

Sid: I mean look at all you had to do to get to that point, all this education you know.

Jane: Yes. I spent 9 years training to be a dermatologist, and then 8 years practicing my profession and I was in a middle of a malpractice suit.

Sid: Oh wonderful. (Laughing)

Jane: Yes and we were you know planning our dream home at the same time. My mother lived with us I had in-home childcare I only worked part-time so it made no sense why I would have to stay at home to raise a family. In fact, before I even married my husband I said to him very emphatically “Don’t ever expect me to stay home to raise a family. I want to have children, but I have worked since I was 13 years old and I will never stop working so don’t expect me to be a stay at home mom.” So it was a shock when God put this burden on my heart and I began to wrestle with God over a 3 month period because I said “God this is the worst possible time.” My husband was not employed in his field of profession, he couldn’t find a job and he was working a temporary job at minimum wage so we couldn’t live on his income. I was really 90% of the income, I also had the medical and dental insurance. So on every aspect this made no sense whatsoever, but after 3 months of wrestling with God, God made it very clear. I prayed about it, I got wise counsel and I was finally convinced that this was God’s choice for me I said “Yes” and that started an incredible change in my life.

Sid: Well I mean you’re telling it very simple but that had to be… how did your husband go along with it? He’s making minimum wage forget your dream home; you got this big lawsuit going on. You said “God told me to quit work” and you’re the major wage earner. How did he handle that?

Jane: Well because we sought wise counsel and he was in on those conversations he went along with it; he wasn’t happy about it because here I had made this… emphatic statement “I will always work.”

Sid: Hmm.

Jane: And I had the brilliant idea that when I said “Yes” to God and when I quit, that… “Oh I figured this out that God will give my husband a spectacular job like within days or weeks of my quitting.” Well that didn’t happen it was another 18 months before he found work in his professional career. So it was very stressful.

Sid: Why do you now in retrospect why did God tell you to quit your job?

Jane: Well I had 2 young children at home and like I said my mother was caring for them. My daughter is adopted from Romania she had a number of medical and academic issues, learning issues that really needed fulltime attention. I didn’t realize that at the time we were taking her to various speech and language therapies, but I can see now that God had a future plan in my life which was really to teach me about affective ways to pray. I also knew since I was young that I was supposed to write but it never seemed the timing wasn’t right and I didn’t know what I was supposed to write about. So it was during this 16 years of being a stay at home mom that God got me involved in Bible studies, teaching Bible study, leading prayer groups and all of this you know ended up as the book that I wrote.

Sid: Tell me what happened to the lawsuit?

Jane: Oh well thankfully I submitted to God on that because I was really upset with God I received the lawsuit 2 weeks before the holidays Christmas holidays and I had prayed every single day “Lord please don’t ever let me get sued it’s a doctors worse nightmare.” When I finally accepted it from Him and said “God whatever it is you need to teach me through this lawsuit I’m going to start thanking You instead of complaining about it and fretting. So I started to say “Thank You God for the lawsuit, thank You for what Your teaching me” because it really drove me to the word. I had to read the word every single day on my knees at 5:30 in the morning before I even went into work or I couldn’t even function. So God had His way of capturing my attention through that lawsuit and that got me into the presence of the Lord so I was spending more time with Him and spending time in the word. And when I reached that point where I started thanking Him for the lawsuit and said “God teach me whatever it is” the lawsuit was dropped.

Sid: Now you use a phrase “You became an apprentice of prayer.”

Jane: Yeah.

Sid: What do you mean by that?

Jane: Well I felt like I was in a way in God’s laboratory of prayer even though at the time that I was learning these principals of how to pray with power, it just seemed like they were occurring as happenstance or serendipity. I would kind of just kind of discover them almost in quotes by accident but it was really in retrospect the Lord leading me to learn these principals. And because I was involved in intercessory prayer groups at my children’s school and at church, just God was capturing my attention and teaching me how to access his wisdom to receive supernatural answers to my prayers.

Sid: Now you are what is known as a prophetic intercessor. You have a seer anointing and many times when you’re praying for people you see what I believe is angelic activity you call it steaks of light. Tell me about, speaking of angels, tell me about the person that called you a friend that was desperate for a miracle.

Jane: Yes I got a phone call one day from a friend and she said “Jane I am desperate I need an answer to prayer within the next 15 minutes I can’t tell you what it’s about” and I knew her well enough to know that this was serious.” To this day I have no idea what it was about but I said “Okay let’s pray on the phone.” So as I am praying for her the Lord speaks to me in an inner quiet voice and says to me “Ask Me to send Michael.” Well I didn’t think that was okay to do that I thought I don’t think we’re supposed to pray that way so I ignored it. And I again heard this inner quiet voice say “Ask Me to send Michael.” I knew this friend well enough to say “I’m getting the most unusual request from God so I’m going to pray this.” I didn’t know if it would offend her or not “God’s telling to ask Michael to come to your aid.” So I said “Lord would you please send Michael and his angels to go to her home and resolve this issue quickly.” Well I saw in my minds eye this large imposing angel leading and army of angels behind him going down her street. So I said “You know I’m actually seeing this happen.” So we finished the prayer and I hung up. Well within 20 minutes she calls me back absolutely stunned and she said “The entire situation was resolved within 15 minutes.”

Sid: Now just out of curiosity when you say you saw a whole stream of angels did you see a vision what did you see?

Jane: Well it would be what we would call a closed vision my eyes are closed and I see a picture. Often when I see pictures they’re almost like movies. So I see them walking down her street, I can visualize her street, I could see this army of white robe angels coming down her street with Michael in the lead.

Sid: And how long did it take till she had the answer?

Jane: Oh, it was within the 15 minutes.

Sid: Look you can pray for me anytime you want! I’m serious but I’m also kidding. Let me ask you a very important lesson that you learned and that is you were shopping one day for carpet cleaner and this changed your prayer life forever.

Jane: Yes my daughter had spilled I assumed juice on our green carpet so I found this orange stain days latter so I didn’t want her to feel bad about it and I didn’t want to be upset so I said “God you know help me get this stain out of the carpet.” I went to a Big Box Store, it was early in the morning it was almost no one in the store. All those stain remover cans around the bottom shelf. So I got on my knees and I’m looking at them I read all the descriptions they all sounded wonderful, but I’m a little bit of a perfectionist. So I said “God which one would be the best?” Now I had never done this before but I had decided to experiment. We said I’m going to ask you about each can would you show me which one is the best. And so I closed my eyes and I put my hand on the first can and I said “God is this the right one?” I’m not even sure what I expected Him to do but nothing happened. And so I put my hand on the second one same thing no response. The third one, when I got to the fourth one I hear an outer audible voice say “That is the best stain remover.” And I’m stunned I almost wished there was a candid camera on my face because I’m thinking “Well it couldn’t be God it was a female voice well you know did I hear an angel?” So I hear it again “That is the best stain remover.” So I turned in the direction of the sound and two elderly white haired woman are walking down the aisle towards me. They never said a word to me directly but when they got behind me one of them said “For the third time that is the best stain remover.” And they went off know down into another aisle and I thought “Well they don’t look like angels but I’m going to buy this stain remover.” And it took the stain out very very quickly so I thought “Maybe I’ve discovered something here” and that really revolutionized my prayer life at that moment.

Sid: You know one of the things when we spoke earlier on the telephone you said something that really attracted my interest. From your medical view training you understand how the brain operates and most of us have heard there’s left brain people, there the real logical type people. And then there’s right brain people, they’re the ones the visionaries and the artist and the musicians but you said the people that learn how to lean on the right side of their brain open themselves up to the supernatural more, explain.

Jane: Well I had taken a class in watercolor and so that’s a creative hobby and I found myself very relaxed when I did something creative. And as I learned to hear God I found that when I was relaxed and not talking inside my head, not analyzing things I would be able to hear God better. And a friend had said to me “Jane you’ve got to stop listening in your head you have to start listening in your heart.” I didn’t really understand what that meant at the time but over time God showed me that if I would quiet myself or look at a picture if I would just quiet the brain talk, what I call brain chatter sometimes I would have to ask God “God would you quiet the left side of my brain and activate the right side of my brain,” by what I call flipping that switch to the right side. I could hear God more easily, I would see pictures more easily.

Sid: Did you see a difference when you did these things?

Jane: Oh yeah.

Sid: I’ll tell you what I have that particular problem myself and I want to hear a little bit more about it when we come back after the break….

Sid: Let me tell you something by the time you finish this week interview that I’m having between me and the Holy Spirit and you, you’re going to be red hot for the Messiah. I was just recently in Israel, I was at Samuel’s mountain. The prophet Samuel… let me tell you a story behind the Messianic Jewish sabra, native born Israeli, owns this property. You know how he got it, his father was one of the wealthiest men in Israel and he got disinherited when he became a believer in the Messiah. His father said “I have an idea if I give him this holy property maybe he’ll come back to the faith.” So he gave it to him and of course the intimacy of God was so strong there he became even a stronger Messianic Jew because on that mountain Samuel would train his prophets. He had what was called “The school of the prophets.” And he had a cave there and in this cave there’s a stream that is running and they asked if I wanted to go under the waters of mikvah in this stream. And something inside of me said “Yes.” So I put on bathing suit and I went under the water. And this is kind of a funny story. First of all let me tell you something, that water was coooold! And so I just gritted my teeth and when I came up they said “You have to do it again.” I said what?” You have to do it again, your hands, one of your hands didn’t go under the water. I’m using my hand to steady myself on the rocks you know it’s not like they do it in a nice swimming pool somewhere or baptismal where someone helps you. I was doing it myself. And so they made me go into the water again and I put my hand under, I stayed under just a little extra just to make up and I’ll tell you what I believe something spiritually transacted. Then he has olive trees on that land and he squeezed the olives and makes olive oil which I believe could had been on that land at the time Samuel was there. And he was going to anoint me with oil and I said “No don’t anoint me with oil this is my friend that owns the land, no don’t anoint me with oil pour the oil on me.” And he said “Well, people don’t ask for that but you’re going to get more than you bargained for Sid. So he poured that oil on me and then afterwards we went outside and we could see the whole landscape of Jerusalem from there. And he said “Here, why don’t you eat something and he pulls some figs from a fig tree and says “Here have some fresh ones.” And he gives me some figs to eat. And then he says “How about some grapes and he pulls some grapes from the grapevine.” And then “How about some tea” and he pulls some herbs out and he makes some tea. And it was so spiritually and physically, and mentally invigorating. I was just feeling so good.

Then I had my first outreach. It was in the Tiberias area. A couple had opened their house up to me and they said that they were going to invite some of their unsaved Jewish friends and some of their believing friends and before they knew it they didn’t have the 30 people they thought and that’s all their house could hold they had about 100 people. And so they had the meeting in their backyard. The yard was filled, I wish you could have been there with me it was at night the stars were out and I looked up at the stars and it was so clear and so beautiful. I could see the lights of Haifa from the distance and it was all open and the people were there. And I thought, “This must have been the way Yeshua did it” and I just go so… I wasn’t thinking about the people I was just thinking about Yeshua proclaiming the word to the multitudes of the starving Jewish people. And I was feeling the presence like I’m feeling now the presence of God. And all of a sudden the presence of God got so strong I knew that God wanted to heal people. And I said “Do not miss this moment of your visitation, God is here and God is healing people now try to do something you couldn’t do before and if you’ve been healed I want you to come forward.” Well, I got the shock of my life remember, there were about 100 in this back yard, 25 people come forward, I mean 25% of the people come forward. I never had a meeting like that in the United States so I was sure they missed understood because I was being translated into Hebrew. So I said “No, no I don’t want you to come forward if you want to be healed (That’s normally 25% of the people want to be healed) I said only if you know that you’ve been healed you’ve received your healing otherwise go back I’ll pray for your later.” No one went back they were all healed.

One man stands up and says “Twenty years ago I was in an automobile accident I’ve been in chronic pain every day since, I’m free” one person after another. And then this one Israeli that she was obviously unsaved you could tell just by looking at her and she said “I’m healed, I’m healed.” When I gave the altar call guess who was the first one that ran forward this Israeli. Then there was a beautiful Arab girl at this meeting. I talked with her later and we were talking about the land of Israel and I said “What is your position?” She said “My position is God’s position, I believe the Jewish people are entitled to this land.” And she said “But I have to tell you that was a very tough thing for me to come to” she lives in Bethlehem you know and she said “I wrestled, I really wrestled with God over this issue but it is in the word of God.” And then God spoke to me and God said “Would you rather be an Arab, or a Jew, or a daughter of God?” Let me tell you something you should have seen the smile on her face. “I’m so grateful to be a daughter of God.” You see a daughter of God and a son of God is obedient to the word of God and this beautiful young Arab girl was obedient.

As a matter of fact there was another Arab man there Pastor and he did something that was highly unusual he invited me to speak at his all Arab congregation in an Arab section of Haifa. And I accepted and so I went the next night to speak there and he said “Don’t get political” but he said “I want to see results like you had (He seen all of those miracles that’s why he invited me.) He said “I want to see those miracles so you do whatever God tells you to do so I had my freedom and I began talking and I felt like God gave me a revelation. And God said “He has seen the suffering of the Palestinian people and God hurts just like you hurt but God has a plan to bless the Palestinian people and His plan is found in Genesis 12:3. “God says He will bless (And see I didn’t realize that there were 20 unsaved Arabs in this particular meeting I found this out later.) And as I began talking about the blessings on the Jewish people and then the blessing the Arabs will receive by sharing the gospel with Jewish people I thought it was a brilliant message by God. Well one Arab guy get up and he runs out of building and he starts screaming at the top of his lungs that there’s a Mussad agent there, that there’s a Zionist in this place fortunately I couldn’t understand Arabic so I couldn’t get too afraid but you know in retrospect after the meeting I began thinking here I am in an Arab section surrounded with unsaved Arabs and I’m telling them to bless the Jewish people you got to be nuts Sid. But the Holy Spirit did it and the Holy Spirit protected me. And it came time for repentance I asked them to repent for cursing the Jewish people and you know what better than 80% of the people stood up and repented. And I had them say a prayer of salvation so with those unsaved 20 of which one ran out screaming so I’ll say 19 (Laughing) about 80% of them said a prayer of salvation. So I got really excited about that.

Then the next night I had a meeting in the Haifa area just outside of Haifa and a door opened it was so wonderful and so supernatural. This is what happened I found out about a Russian language radio show, radio station. We contacted them and they said that I could buy 30 minutes of time and say anything I wanted to say and it would be translated into Russian and it covers that entire area and it’s secular it’s not a Christian station. So I went there and we negotiated on price and he said “We can’t fit it in this weekend and I said “Wait a second we have two meetings this weekend I’m not going to so it unless you fit it in this weekend.” And so he thought for a minute and said “Okay I’ll do it.” But I didn’t realize how difficult this was because they had already… first of all they had no time open, second of all they put everything in the computer at another location so they would have to go to this other location pull a program out and then put my program in. So we did this program and let me tell you the anointing of God was so strong I shared my testimony and I invited these people to the miracle meetings that we were going to have in the Haifa area. And I told them about the miracles that happened in the Tiberias area, started sharing these testimonies almost finished the broadcast and the woman that was interviewing me for the broadcast start crying. And I thought “Maybe her heart is touched with what I’m saying.” And all of a sudden I hear the owner of the station on a loud speaker who’s been monitoring everything and he starts yelling at the person interviewing me because she was putting in her own interpretation of what was going on. Here’s what I found out later her job was to teach those Jewish people coming to Israel that didn’t understand Judaism, Judaism. And she said “Oh, I’m in trouble with the Rabbis for having interviewed you, having even been on this show.” But the owner of the station that was an unsaved Russian Jew stopped her from editorializing. And I have to tell you she asked me one difficult question because you see my grandfather’s father was a Cantor a leader in the synagogue of worship in Minsk, Russia. And she said “What would your grandfather the cantor said if you were so bold for Jesus as the Messiah? And I said “I can’t answer for him but I can tell you what my own Orthodox Jewish father would have said he received the Messiah.” And she was shocked anyway we’re out of time…

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I knew Dr. Kenneth Hagan and he walked in extraordinary miracles. He found two prayers in the Book of Ephesians and he prayed them for himself over a thousand times, and then do you remember a few years ago there was a big thing from the Bible, the Prayer of Jabez. Do you remember that? Well my guest went on a search and study of the Bible to find the most supernatural prayers in the Bible and if it worked in The Prayer of Jabez, if it worked with the prayers of Ephesians, it’s going to work for you. Would you like to know these prayers? I would. You know, Mike Shreve told me something before we went on the air. He told me about what God has put in his heart about expectancy for this show. What is that?

MIKE: I felt this phenomenal anticipation that there’s going to be an excessive amount of miraculous manifestations globally when this program is shown. And I felt this for weeks. It’s been upon me when I prayed. It has gripped me with a season of fasting. And so I’m looking for incredible things to happen tonight.

SID: Me, too. Now you spent two years researching and studying the prayers of the Bible. What was the catalyst to get you to do this?

MIKE: Well back around the turn of the millennium, there was such a megatrend in the body of Christ of interest in The Prayer of Jabez, which is only 32 words long, one sentence.

SID: Right.

MIKE: It takes about 10 seconds to quote it, five phrases, five requests. All it says is, “Oh that you would bless me indeed, that you would enlarge my territory, that your hand would be with me, that you would keep me from evil, that I may not cause pain.” And I think the thing that resonated with people was how immediate the response from Heaven was. It just says, “And God gave him what he requested.” We’re never told what kind of supernatural things may or may not have taken place, just that God gave him what he requested. So what gripped my heart was this, that if that prayer should resonate with the body of Christ so profoundly, how much more the prayers that got a very intense response from Heaven. And so for two years I searched through the Word.

SID: But let me ask you this. On this Prayer of Jabez, I heard the most supernatural, amazing testimonies. So I think what you’re telling me, there are prayers with even greater responses that are available to us that we’ve never even thought about.

MIKE: Oh I believe The Prayer of Jabez was powerful and it’s something we should implement. But it never states that there was a supernatural response. So if that was important to study, it’s more important to study the prayers where there was a tremendous supernatural response. And when I began to go through those prayers, I noticed what I call power points, certain statements that were made, certain methods of approaching God that seemed to have a greater ability to capture the heart of God and bring a response. It changed my prayer life. I began praying according to those patterns, not in a methodical kind of way where I don’t believe formulas capture God’s heart. This is relational and you can’t get some kind of word formula that you quote and then manipulate God into responding to you. But there are certain kinds of prayers that God historically has responded to, so we need to learn from that.

SID: Okay. Let’s have an example. How about prayers from a famous rabbi, Rabbi Moshe Rabbeinu. Moses.

MIKE: I’m glad it’s Moses, because I wasn’t sure where you were going with that.

SID: That’s okay.

MIKE: I don’t think I studied with that one. But hey, yes, you shocked me, Sid, you shocked me. This was actually a point in Moses’ life where I believe he was crushed, he was disappointed, he was grief stricken, he was tired of people because he had done everything he could to usher them into the presence of God. And given a few weeks’ absence when he’s up in Mount Sinai receiving the extension of the Torah, they give themselves over to idolatry. And he comes down shocked to see them dancing naked around this idol that they’ve created. And so after he dealt with that, he went back to God. And now his focus, I believe, is more on God than on the people. And he says, “God, if I have found grace in your sight, show me your way that I might know you and that I might find grace in your sight.” And at first I thought, well that’s redundant, that’s repetitive. He starts out saying, “If I have found grace in your sight, show me your way that I might know you, that I might find grace in your sight.” And then I realize that he was saying, I need an extra application of grace. I need more grace, more anointing, more glory. I’ve got this responsibility. These people are depending on me. Show me your way, Lord. Show me exactly what you want me to do and I’ll know you, because where I find your work, I find your personality revealed. He says, “If I know your way I’ll know you.” And I believe that’s what we discover the character of God, in the works that we perform in his name. He demonstrates his character to others. But I learned that lesson of the Moses prayer when I was unsaved. I found out that you can ask God what Moses asked. Next he said, “Show me your glory, show me your glory.” And God responded to him and said, “I’ll make all my goodness pass before you and I’ll make the name of the Lord proclaimed before you.” And strangely, Moses says, “Show me your glory.” God said, “I’ll show you my goodness.” Back when I was unsaved, I didn’t know how to pray the prayer of Moses. But I got a letter from an old friend. At the time, I was a teacher of yoga and meditation in four universities. I was very deeply involved in far eastern mysticism. I had 400 students who thought I was their guru. I was spending 12 hours a day in solitude, chanting, doing meditation, doing yoga trying to find this elusive thing they call God consciousness. And then an old friend of mine wrote me a letter saying that you’ll never find God through what you’re doing. He said, you need to be born again and you need to accept Jesus as Lord of your life. So that letter initially, I rejected. I said, I cannot confine my belief system to one religion. It’s not logical. It’s more loving and wise to embrace all religions of the world. That’s what I thought. But that letter weighed on my mind until finally I said, I’m going to dedicate an entire day to Jesus and I’m going to ask him to reveal himself supernaturally. Now I might not have said, show me your glory, but in essence, I was saying, show me your glory. Because for 12 hours that day, all I did was read the Bible and say, “Jesus, this is your day. If you’re real manifest yourself supernaturally to me.” And that afternoon, I was on my way to teach a yoga class at University of South Florida and there happened to be a prayer group in town that was praying for me, 24-hour prayer chain. Somebody was praying for me every hour. Well one of the members of that prayer group was walking in the Laundromat two miles away from where I stepped out hitchhiking to go teach a class. And he said, the Holy Spirit spoke to him and said, “Get back in your van and start driving.” He didn’t know that the person he had been praying for, for over a month was standing there saying, “Jesus, if you’re the answer, give me a sign today.”

SID: Mike really got his sign.

MIKE: I got it.

SID: That guy must be one of the happiest believers on Earth. But I love that prayer of Moses. God, show us your glory. When we come back, oh God, show us your glory.

Sid: You know Mishpocha I’ve been speaking all this week about the brand new Zechariah Prophecy Calendar. It’s a 16 month calendar, a Jewish calendar. The artwork is by a Russian artist is all done in Israel from the book of Zechariah. For myself I always want to know when the Biblical festivals are because God talks about special blessings in these festivals. I have the man that put this calendar together Eric Morey on the telephone. I’m speaking to him at his home in Tiberias, Israel. I have a question for you Eric something that never made any sense to me before. I want to see your spin on this. We know as a fact before Jesus came there was a requirement to observe all the Biblical festivals and traditional Jews did it then and still do this today. We know that the first church was all Jewish and they all, according to the best book we have on the first church, the New Testament, they all observed the Biblical festivals initially. Then for some reason the Biblical festivals were replaced with a mixture of paganism and great events in the life of the Messiah. All the Biblical festivals were kind of stopped, however, when I read about the millennium we know that these Biblical festivals will be reactivated. So my question is, if the first church observed these Biblical festivals, if we’ll be observing the Biblical festivals in the millennium, why did we put it on instant pause now?

Eric: (Laughing) That’s a good question Sid and I don’t have a good answer. You know I think the church went off base around as you said earlier around the time of Constantine. All kinds of elements were introduced and Christmas was chosen partly because of the Misraich religion at that time was very prominent and they celebrated the winter solstice, the rebirth of the… the shortest day of the year when the days begin to get longer which they miscalculated as December 25^th it is really December 21^st. So they decided to celebrate the birth of Messiah on the day that the Mithras celebrated to kind of steal the glory from them…

Sid: How were they able to do that because of my understanding of the New Covenant the shepherds were out in the field and in December in Israel they can’t be out in the field which means the Messiah wasn’t even born in December.

Eric: I’m sure he wasn’t.

Sid: (Laughing)

Eric: More than likely He was born in September, but nobody knows for sure. My feeling about is, well you know we’ve got to celebrate it sometime and… we don’t have to actually we are not commanded to at all, but if we do chose to celebrate it then I guess December 25^th is okay. When you look at the roots of it you realize that it comes from a pagan celebration concerning the sun god, then you have to really question it.

Sid: You know what I believe is it is not so much a legalistic letter of the law requirement, a matter off salvation, a matter of righteousness… No! No! No! It really and truly as I read Isaiah about the great blessings of worshiping God on the Sabbath. As I read Zechariah that in the millennium if the Gentile nations do not celebrate the Feasts of Tabernacles they’ll literally not have any rain come on them and they’ll be hit with plagues. There’s such a blessing and celebration connected with these festivals. That’s why I want to get this Zechariah Prophecy Calendar into as many hands as possible that the wind of the Spirit is saying “I want your roots, your Hebraic Biblical roots restored not as a mandatory thing but as an appointment with God.” I really believe this calendar is a good first step because… well tell us a little bit about some of the things in the calendar.

Eric: Well Sid you’re right it’s an excellent tool for that for connecting Christians and Messianic believers with Israel and with the Jewish people and with the Jewish roots of the Christian faith. Because in any nationality, any culture the calendar and the holidays that are celebrated and the way that time is measured is extremely important. The Jews have got a unique calendar unique within. They invented, well God invented the Sabbath but He gave it to the Jews. The whole world celebrates a 7 day week today. So these Jewish traditions that are incorporated into their calendar and many of them are scriptural of course are a window into the soul and the history of the Jewish people and of the Jewish roots of the Christian faith. Our calendar everyday of every month of the year, its 16 months on this calendar, you can see what day it is on the Latin calendar, of course you can also see what day it is on the Jewish calendar, you can see what day of the week it is called in the Hebrew on the Jewish calendar. You can see what month it is on the Jewish calendar. You can see what year it is on the Jewish calendar and they have their own cycle of years. So you’re keeping track of their way of Biblical based method of time keeping. Every Sabbath, a very interesting fact the Jews read through the first 5 books of the Bible, the Pentateuch, they call it the Torah, the first 5 books of Moses it’s called sometimes. These are very very important to the Jews and they read through every year the whole Pentateuch, the whole Torah, in a cycle and every Jewish community in the world, every synagogue all over the world reads the same scripture portions on the same Saturdays all over the world. It’s like a clock that’s ticking in the heart and the mind of every Jewish person in the world. You can read on our calendar what passage of scripture they’re reading that week. You can line yourself up, you can tune… this is scripture. Tune yourself with the heartbeat of the Jewish people through these scripture portions, through the holidays. The holidays are extremely important and as you said “Christianity has gone off.” What’s Easter? Easter was named after Astarte. Astarte was a pagan goddess is condemned by name repeatedly in the Bible and yet this holiday was named after her. We have the Easter eggs and the Easter bunny, and all this fertility stuff, it’s an abomination.

Sid: The goddess was the fertility goddess that’s where we… I never knew where the Easter egg and the bunny came from, but that’s literally where it came from the fertility goddess Ishtar.

Eric: That’s where it came from. So this is what we celebrate as a resurrection of our Lord? Hello!

Sid: (Laughing)

Eric: You know its Passover. The Last Supper was the Seder supper that’s Passover. He resurrected from the dead on Sunday on the middle of the Passover week, the first day of the week during Passover. That’s when it ought to be celebrated.

Sid: Tell me a bit about the descriptions you have of each of the Biblical festivals in the calendar itself.

Eric: Well we think it’s important that people understand where these holidays came from. They all came out of scripture. The only one that didn’t actually come out of scripture is Chanukah because Chanukah celebrates an event that took place after… between the 2 testaments, between the close of the Old Testament and the opening of the New Testament. But it’s mentioned in… Jesus celebrated it, it’s mentioned in the New Testament it is called the Feast of Dedication. So all these feasts have a Biblical base and then we say how they were celebrated in New Testament times. Most of these holidays were mentioned in the New Testament and celebrated by the New Testament believers and by Yeshua Himself. Then there’s the modern celebration of these festivals which in some cases align with the Biblical and in some cases do not. For example, the Passover Seder today is quite different from what God commanded the Jews to do in the beginning in the Passover, quite different. It’s more of a traditional thing but it goes back probably to the time of Yeshua, actually. So we talk about kind of a perspective on what these holidays mean to a New Testament believer today, a spiritual perspective on it. See how for all that… for each of these holidays. As you go through you come to the Feast of Pentecost, or as it’s called in Hebrew Shavuot. You go back to the opening pages of the calendar, you flip back and you say “What is the Biblical origin of this feast? How is it celebrated in the New Testament times?” Very famous holiday in New Testament times in the book of Acts. “How is it celebrated today in the modern Jewish world? What is the significance of it for the New Testament believers?” Every one of these holidays you have this.

Sid: Mishpocha I can hear some you screaming. Eric you didn’t finish that very important teaching you were doing from Zechariah 14 about the Lord returning of which you have the most beautiful artwork in this calendar. Would you quickly summarize that and finish that.

Eric: We have a painting of Yeshua coming on the clouds of heaven with power and glory. It triggers from Isaiah 14:5 which says “The Lord my God shall come and all the holy ones with thee.” But the same scene is described in Matthew 24, Revelation 19, and Isaiah 63. We took elements for this painting from all those passages of scripture. In Revelation it says that He has a sword in His mouth, and so we were contemplating this and we were thinking “Surely this doesn’t mean a physical metal sword it means the word.” As the word of God is compared to a sword and called a sword in many places in scripture and it comes out of the mouth, so it’s a word coming out of His mouth. What word would Yeshua be speaking at this incredibly significant moment of Him coming on the clouds with power and glory? Coming back the second coming of Yeshua! What would He be saying? We didn’t have to make it up because in Isaiah 63 there’s a dialogue recorded where the narrator says “Who is this coming out of Bozrah and Edom with His robes dyed in red?” This is Yeshua and you can in this painting His robes are dyed in red just like it describes also in Revelation. Then the horseman Himself, Yeshua Himself, answers the question in Isaiah 63 and what does He say? He says “It is I who speak in righteousness mighty to save.”

Sid: Mishpocha this is such a wonderful family calendar to talk and to teach your children and that’s what the scriptures say that we’re supposed to do. When it’s opened up it’s 13.5 x 26 inches. The paintings are literally suitable if you’d like to frame them they’re so beautiful. The calendar is big enough so that you can write your various appointments and various social functions, or something the Lord did for you on that day. They are 16 months long and they start with the Jewish New Year, so that’s why they start with the month of September. It has the Jewish year and the year that we celebrate here in America. It’s in Hebrew, it’s in English.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to live and not die and declare the works of the Lord that’s what God wants. How can two walk together unless they be agreed. My guest Robert Inguanzo I’m speaking to him at his home in Lincoln Park, New Jersey. And Robert came from a drug addiction background instantly set free from the power of God; married to a pastors daughter the happiest man on earth; one child, second child on the way finds out he’s HIV Positive 99.9% chance his wife and children will be positive and will have AIDS. But praise God his children and wife were okay, but he’s dying literally dying from AIDS. And on yesterday’s broadcast you said you picked up a disease in which parasites were eating away from your brain, you got a virus in your eye what effect did this have?

Robert: Well the virus in my eye was called “CMV Retinitis” and they said that there was no cure for that disease and that I would eventually go blind. And Sid it got to a point where I really didn’t care anymore I mean so many things happened I was having everything at once.

Sid: There was no cure for this blindness?

Robert: No the only thing they could do was give me… I would have to go to the hospital every day and get these drips, medical drips, you know injections. That would only hold the virus so I wouldn’t go blind but I never got to that point. What happened was one day I’m laying in my bed and I really couldn’t take it anymore they were telling me I was going to go blind, I had to do this I had to do that…

Sid: Did they tell you how long you might live; what was your prognosis?

Robert: Right well the doctor had already sent me home they said that they told my pastor’s wife in fact they wouldn’t even tell me that I had about 4 months to live for her to prepare my family and everything for what was coming. And but she said “No she didn’t believe that that we had a God that could heal” and that because God had used her prophetically many times that he was going to use me and she just knew in her spirit that all of this was… God was going to take care of everything. And so I remember one day I’m laying in my bed and it got to the point where I just didn’t want to live anymore I said “Lord I don’t want my daughters and my wife to remember me in this condition I’m better off dying; the only thing Lord that I repent of is that I never did your will.” Because when I got saved at first and then the 10 years my wife would receive a word of knowledge that God was going to use me, my pastor’s wife prophesied to me that God was going to use me. And I always pushed that aside and yeah okay “I want to make money first be comfortable and then I’ll serve God.” And it’s so important Sid like you know that when God gives you a calling you have to respond when He wants not when we want. So when I told Him this, when I told the Lord this what happened was I was laying in bed my wife was downstairs and my kids went in school and there was like a lightning that started coming down; I would see it was like a lightning of fire and as I’m laying in my bed I couldn’t move, I couldn’t talk I just had a seizure so you know. I’m looking at this like lightning and when it touches my chest right in the center of my chest I feel like this big explosion, it’s like you got a big rock and you threw it in the swimming pool how it splashes, that’s how it felt. But it felt like fire fell it felt like my whole body from my feet to head it was a complete fire.

Sid: Now when you were set free from drugs you had a deliverance was there any thing remotely close to this fire at any time of your life?

Robert: No, no it was definitely different, it was definitely very very different. I remember after I was like drunk for a week. A little more than a week I was drunk I would be laughing, and I would be crying, and I would be…

Sid: And you wouldn’t be drinking anything.

Robert: No no of course not! (Laughing) it was better than drinking you know it was much better. I remember when that happened the next day when I woke up my skin was completely clear there was no nothing, no nothing no scars no nothing. It was…

Sid: But wait a second you had an infection on your skin that there was no cure for.

Robert: Right it was Yosophilic Folliculitis and there was no cure for that. And I have scars all over from scratching. I remember one time we even went to the beach and I couldn’t go in the water with my kids my kid’s would say “Come in – come in and daddy come in.” And I couldn’t go in because I was full of scars and that’s how it was. And I remember the next day all of my headaches went way and little by little it was like that. I remember I had to go to the eye specialist when I went to the eye specialist when he’s putting all of these machines you know how they do to check the eyes?

Sid: Yes.

Robert: And put drops in so that your eyes get you know so they can see inside. And I remember while he’s looking I hear him go like this “Humph.” And I’m surprised I go I asked “What’s wrong, what’s wrong?” And the guy goes Robert I don’t see the CMV Retinitis no more you don’t have it any more what happened?” And I tried to tell him what happened you know (Laughing)?

Sid: (Laughing) Did you know that you were in process of being completely healed?

Robert: Well yeah I did I did because when the fire first hit me I heard audibly the voice of God and He told me “Robert first shall come spiritual healing and then shall come physical healing.” And Sid at that time I didn’t know much about what spiritual healing meant but I did know what of course physical healing meant and that was the best part.   Remember I’m trying to get out of bed and being that I had seizures a little while before I really didn’t have to much control of being able to walk or anything like that. So I’m trying to go downstairs and call my wife but I couldn’t talk. So I’m taking step by step and I don’t know how long it took it took a long time to finally go downstairs in the kitchen and when I walk into the kitchen she looks at me and she gets scared because she doesn’t know what’s happening she’s watching me crying and crying and I can’t talk to tell her what’s happening. I’m saying to Lord “Please help me to tell her what’s happening look at her she’s so afraid of what’s happening to me.” And I hear the voice of God and He says “Robert if you get out of the way I’ll tell her.” And when He told me that I go “Lord of course do whatever you want.” How He told her was He took control of my mouth, my tongue and everything and He started talking through me it was like a prophecy but with a very deep voice and He would tell her exactly what He told me “First shall come spiritual healing, then shall come physical healing.” And He kept repeating and repeating it. Then He would tell us about the future and our ministry what we would do, what we had to do, where we had to go…

Sid: What was the best thing that He told you through prophecy about your future?

Robert: Well I remember one time a little before this there was 7 of us in my house in my living room and we were all praying, praying standing up praying. And I remember seeing like the smoke, the smoke started getting thicker and thicker like a cloud and it got thicker and thicker and thicker and thicker. It got to a point that I could not see anybody that was praying I could hear them but I couldn’t see them.

Sid: Had this ever happened to you previously?

Robert: Oh no never, never, never. It got the cloud got thicker and thicker. They could see me but I could not see them but I could hear them and I remember all of the fun and I start sensing and feeling the sweetness, it was such a sweetness that it was really I never felt anything like that. Even with all of the drugs I used I could never compare to anything of what I was feeling then. Not only the sweetness but a peace, it was a peace Sid it was a sweet peace, it was a beautiful peace. And I remember somebody saying to me “Robert, Robert what’s happening, what’s happening?” And all I could say, all that could come out of my mouth would be “Sugar.” Because I was trying to explain the experience I was having I was in the presence of the Holy Spirit. It was so sweet, it was so sweet. Then all of a sudden I see right in the cloud I see Jesus I saw Jesus with my eyes open and as I’m looking at Him I’m trying to probe something Jesus, Jesus and then I look at His chest and when I look at His chest I could see inside literally I could see inside His chest and I could see His heart. And when I look at His heart I could see drops of blood coming out of His heart, out of His heart. Then all of a sudden I start feeling this pain in my chest but I’m still in the presence with the sweetness and the peace and all of that but I feel this pain in my heart and it was the pain that Jesus was feeling. When I feel all of that I’m saying “Jesus what’s happening? What’s happened to you?” And He goes “Robert look” and when He said to “look” I could look all around and in the cloud you know it’s like the clouds disappeared and I could see 100’s and 1000’s of people and maybe even millions all around me, all around me and I go “Lord, Lord what are all of these people?” And the Lord said to me “Robert that’s my church.” I go “Lord all of these people, all of these are Christian’s wow, wow!” And He goes “Robert but look again.” And when I look again I can see inside those people and I saw the church, the condition of the church. Sid it was so sad that’s why the Lord felt that pain because of the condition of the church was so… it was like Christians only went once a week, Christian’s that didn’t hardly didn’t pray and I remember the Holy Spirit…

Sid: Robert we’re out of time we’ll pick up here…Mishpochah you’re going to hear about such a great  miracle of what God did with his AIDS condition and other miracles happening…

Sid: My guest Elisabeth Syre is from South Africa. She’s speaking in the Leesburg, Virginia and that’s where I’m interviewing her by way of telephone. Elisabeth you move in a very extraordinary fashion in prophecy. That gift intrigues me because unfortunately many prophets I call jokingly non-prophet because what they’re saying is not from the devil, but it’s not from God. Tell me a prophecy that you prophesied over someone that came to pass. I like to hear profitable prophecies.

Elisabeth: (Laughing) That is a good way of putting it. I do believe that the Bible says in the book of Revelation that the testimony of Jesus is prophecy. Right?

Sid: Right.

Elisabeth: I would never call myself a prophet I’m a servant of the Lord, but suddenly God uses me in those ways. One particular instance that I can remember is that in South Africa where I was ministering with a lot of African pastors who were not open for many things of the Bible and they were discussing with me and said “Please share with us.” I made friends with these pastors but the one pastor was actually very racist in his way. He said “Well I do not believe that any white person could ever clean my house.” Well we had become very great friends so we could be open with one another what he thought and he knew that I wasn’t racist. So I said to him “You know Pastor Russell I believe that God is going to send you a white masa who’s cleaning the house for you. I believe it will be your healing and it will be the healing for this girl.” I had forgotten about that word but exactly 2 months later the telephone rang and from Austria where I minister often a lady phoned me “I’ve put a young lady on the plane it’s Christmas time. She is near suicide and you are able to help her.” She didn’t ask me, she just put her on the plane very sort of bluntly. I said “What am I doing my family is coming over?” I said “What is her name?” She said “Her name is Martha.” I said “Welcome, she can come.” So I phoned Pastor Russell I said “Russell your masa is coming. She’s coming tomorrow morning by plane.” He said “Hallelujah!” It was Christmas time and they made great friends and masa was totally delivered from suicidal attempts and Pastor Russell was healed of all his resentment towards white people. So that is a prophecy that really was profitable. The other one was for a friend of mine in Cape Town, South Africa. They had lost everything, they had been portrayed in a congregation and they came to me and were brought by a friend named Julie. They sat in my living room I didn’t know anything about them and I said “Wow! You have a lot…” the Lord said through me, I believe that it was the Lord speaking and that all their debts would be gone by the end of the year and they would get a call to country with high mountains where they would live in a very large house near a major city and start a Christian center. It would be in a country where there would be snow and there would be like a river flowing down the valley. I said “Well I hardly believe what I am saying,” but they said “Hallelujah! We’ll take it!” Exactly a few months later the head of the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship of Austria came to Cape Town; asked me to setup meetings, which I did. Here was the couple they took him and on the way he prophesied “Come to Austria we need you, Austria needs you.” They packed up everything only with $10 left in their pocket and they came to Austria a couple of years ago. Started there and as they had nothing they just prayed all day. In a little cafeteria they met a Catholic doctor who offered them a big house free of charge and they started a Christian center. At this moment it is one of the biggest congregations in Innsbruck in Austria and these friends are still there. The prophecy was totally true it was to the point it came out. They are very happy there and they are doing much better than in South Africa God really blessed them.

Sid: There are strategic times in people’s lives…

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: …that if they can get a direct word of confirmation it literally changes their whole destiny.

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: This couple you just described do they believe that that prophetic word literally birthed this great congregation?

Elisabeth: Yes. Yes they know it, they know it. They actually know their whole life changed as they moved to Austria. I think they also brought a big miracle to Austria because they have a love for Israel and the whole city of Innsbruck is more open than any other city in Austria for listening to the Jewish voice to what the Lord is saying about Israel.

Sid: And Austria is one of the dark countries from the viewpoint of anti-Semitism, so God in His mercy raised that group. What about angels? Have you ever seen an angel?

Elisabeth: Yes I have had encounters with angels. First of all, when I was travelling one day I travelled from Germany, Denmark to Sweden. On the train, and the train goes right onto a ferry and it’s a very big ferry with a shop and everything in it. I decided to quickly buy some presents for the pastor I would meet in Sweden. So I took my bag and my purse and I went into the tax free shop and bought it and I came back and looked for my train and the train was gone. I was really was very sort of… I didn’t know I felt panic. I said “Lord where is my train?” I asked one of the men on the boat and he said “Well the train already has moved to the station so if you run maybe you’ll see it.” I started running running with my bag and coffee in my hand and eventually I found the train, but the man in the station did not want to open the doors it was all locked up because the train came from the boat, from the ferry. So I decided “This is my train. I have to stand, I have to take this train. It’s the very last train to Sweden and to the meeting and I have to have this train.” So I held onto the handle of the door stood on the little board and I said “Father give me the strength that I can hold on till the next time. Help me Lord to get into this train and nobody would open it.” The train started shouting from one wheel to the next and as I looked up I saw a man dressed in white with eyes looking like coals almost, like fiery coals and waving the hand and saying “Just go down I’ll open the door.” I didn’t hear any language but I saw the eyes and I knew it was fine. I stepped down very deeply onto the rails and it was in a second I was in the train. He said “Follow me” and he even mentioned my name. He said “Follow me Elisabeth.” I followed then he pointed me out to where my backpack was and my Bible was. He said “That’s your place have a wonderful trip. God bless you.” I said “Lord I know him. Do I know this man he looks so different.” So I tried to find a little card or something in my backpack and I wanted to thank, and I walked right through the train there was no person with that attire on. I asked the conductor he said “There is no such a person.” He looked at me quite strangely and I realized that I had just rescued by an angel. Yes and I came in time for my meeting in Sweden. I’ve had situations where people forgot to pick me up from the plane or from the train but I started to pray and say “Hallelujah” and started to pray in a new language. Then suddenly somebody picked me up and said “I’ve been sent to pick you up and take you to this place and when I looked the person was gone. Yes I’ve had encounters with… I believe that they couldn’t have been normal situations…

Sid: According to my notes you have literally heard angels singing. What is that like?

Elisabeth: Oh that is amazing, that is amazing. In Germany in a meeting there were all very people… very skeptical because they are very big minded people. They had invited my to share something in a little meeting like that. But before the meeting a woman that needed badly prayer because she was ill asked me to come into her room. As we were in that room I said “Do you know Jesus?” So she knew Jesus, so I said “Well God wants to fill you with His presence and His glory.” So she went on her knees and she was from Hungary originally. She went onto her knees and she started to say “Lord I don’t know what to say, I don’t know what to say, will you say it?” As she was praying and pouring out her heart suddenly the whole room was filled with metallic sounds which I can’t explain. It was just like a whole waterfall of sounds. I thought maybe there is something happening outside. I looked out of the window and nothing was there. She said “Oh the angels!” she said “Angels are singing!”

Sid: So you both heard it at the same time.

Elisabeth: We both heard it at the same time. Then she started to sing with these angels in a new language. She was so touched she was healed instantaneously, then we went over to the meeting and I said “Oh my goodness it’s the first time I’m here and they won’t understand because you know these people are mind people. Father please protect me send forth your ministering angels because I can’t talk about this in a new group.” I’m very careful. Then suddenly she said “Oh I heard the angels saying ‘I’m healed! I’m healed!’” The people looked very strange I said “Jesus don’t leave me here alone let something happen.” Suddenly the whole room was filled with it, with that same sound.

Sid: Have you ever… out of curiosity smelled the perfume of the Lord?

Elisabeth: Yes I’ve smelled that, I’ve smelled perfume. In Denmark in a meeting I said “The fragrance of the Lord is here” and all over there was fragrance. I’ve seen manna, manna appearing with a pastor in Germany that really loves Israel. He calls himself the Shalom Fellowship. He prays for daily with his whole group…

Sid: Is there a connection with the release of miracles and loving the Jew in Israel?

Elisabeth: Yes! Absolutely you’ve got the point! Yes! That’s what… When we love Israel and we stand with the God of the Bible and we stand up for the land, plus we have total respect for the anointing of the Holy Spirit no matter if we understand it or not. We don’t always have to understand it we just say “Lord we believe with all of our heart in you.” You know what’s happening? Miracles are being released.

Sid: You know I believe miracles are going to be released on tomorrow’s broadcast. Let me read a scripture Mishpocha, Romans 10:14 speaking about the Jewish people. “How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? How should they believe in Him of Whom they’ve not heard? And how should they hear without a preacher? How shall they preach unless they are sent?” You know this show is done a month in advance and I’m about ready to jump on an airplane with my wife to go to Odessa, Ukraine to have meetings. This is becoming so dark this land, so ant-Semitic this may be one of the last chances to do evangelistic meetings to Jewish people. I believe multitudes are going to be saved and they’re going to be red hot for Jesus and go to Israel, then out of Zion the word of the Lord will go forth and the whole thing in the Bible is happening.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is RT Kendall, I’m speaking to him in his home in Key Largo, Florida. RT is the former Senior Minister from Westminster Chapel in London, England. He holds a PhD from Oxford University. But as far as I’m concerned this book I’m holding in my hands is a key to have you change your whole destiny, your whole life. The title “Total Forgiveness” subtitle “When Everything in You Wants to Hold a Grudge, Point a Finger and Remember the Pain God Wants You to Lay It All Aside.” What did Oral Roberts say when he read this book?

RT: Well, I was almost overwhelmed. He said he’s 80 years old he said “It’s one of the best books that he’s read in his whole life and that if he had a choice between a fortune and this book he would choose this book.” Now that’s what he said. What has been so thrilling is to have endorsement of a man like Oral Roberts who’s on one end of the theological spectrum and then D. James Kennedy at the other end.

Sid: Well I’m going to read his quote “This is a book that should be read around the world.” D. James Kennedy.

RT: And then Tony Campolo has just sent in a endorsement that will come in a future edition and I was just thrilled at what he said “This is a book that crosses denominational and theological lines. Because I don’t care if whether you’re a Calvinist or a Charismatic nearly everybody that you’ve run into they’ve had some problem at sometime forgiving somebody.”

Sid: Let me ask you a question before time slips away something when I was just having conversation with John Arnott the pastor from the Toronto Church where I was speaking a few weeks ago and he was telling me about how forgiveness is a key for healing and he told me a story and something just exploded inside of me something I didn’t personally do that I needed to do. And that was before I was a believer and even after I was a believer when I sinned I repented and God completely forgave me and I knew it, however I really was beating myself up I hadn’t forgiven myself.

RT: Hm.

Sid: And I immediately when I found this key if you will I held up these sins that I knew I was forgiven for from the past, I knew that God didn’t remember them anymore and I asked God, I told God “I choose to forgive myself” and I could feel layers coming off of me.

RT: Well I have a whole section in the book “Total Forgiveness” on forgiving yourself.

Sid: Now tell me a couple of keys.

RT: Well the key is realized God wants you to forgive yourself and if God wants you to do it and you don’t forgive yourself you’re in disobedience. And it’s a form of self-righteousness as if you’re going to punish yourself for doing it, He’s not punishing you. What are you trying to do atone for your own sins…

Sid: (Laughing)

RT: For not forgiving yourself? So it’s a selfish thing we think it’s kind of unselfish but it’s the opposite and it’s counter-productive and another point of total forgiveness it’s not total until you have forgiven God, you’ve forgiven them, and you have forgiven yourself.

Sid: Now you know some thing that concerns me is that’s when you just said “Forgiving God.” There are many people that falsely blame God for circumstances that they’ve triggered by their own actions or the devil has done and it’s such a misunderstanding I don’t see how anyone in their right mind could be angry with God it’s a lack of knowledge that causes this.

RT: Well they have to forgive God nonetheless that he let it happen and a lot of people their bitterness is ultimately directed at God Himself they don’t realize it at first.

Sid: You have an acrostic in your Chapter 4 “Playing God.” It is sooo important, explain that.

RT: An acrostic is a word when you spell it it will summarize a premise a major point. For example this acrostic is need n-e-e-d so when you get ready to speak ask will saying this meet the other person’s need so you put it through:

First – Is it necessary?

Second – Will it encourage?

Third – Will it edify?

Fourth – Will it dignify that person?

Need – necessary, encourage, edify, dignify.

And if we can have presence of mind to remember those four things every time we open our mouth: Is it necessary to say this? Is this going to encourage? Is this going to edify? And will it dignify that person? We would say maybe 1/10 of what we might have said and it will help curve our tongue as much as anything I’ve come across. It’s just a little acrostic to say the Lord gave me that I don’t want to push it that hard but it certainly been a blessing to people and I’ve had people come up to me and say “That’s the best thing they’ve ever come across” to help them in their daily lives when they’re getting ready to speak to avoid the unguarded calm action “Will it meet a need in that other person? Is it necessary? Will it encourage? Does it edify and does it dignify that person?

Sid: You many times when I’m speaking I’m praying about the “What do You want me to say Lord?” I’m talking about when I’m speaking publically and then I’ll have a thought about something and then I’ll have an immediate thought “It doesn’t edify.” And I…even though what I saying is true I shouldn’t say it I get checked.

RT: Exactly. Well I think at the end of the day the ultimate proof that you’ve totally forgiven is when you ask the Lord to forgive them and bless them as though they didn’t do anything at all. And when you can say “Father forgive them” and mean it. You know Jesus didn’t say “I forgive you.” He said “Father You forgive them You let them off the hook.”

Sid: In other words when you say “Well I’ll forgive them,” but in our heart we hope God will send down His…

RT: Yeah.

Sid: His lightning on them. (Laughing)

RT: That’s it so when you ask God to do it He…one day it was kind of like the Lord said back to me RT do you really want me to bless them, you want me to bless them as though they didn’t even do anything? And I had to think “Woops hang on…second.” We sometimes say “Lord bless them but we hope He doesn’t.”

Sid: Well the ultimate to me is of course Jesus but the one that I’m thinking of is Steven he’s being stone to death and he saying “Don’t hold this sin against them.” How could he have even done that?

RT: You just touched one of my heroes. The key to the anointing of Steven that shine on his face he looked like an angel.

Sid: Right.

RT: He had totally forgiven those people he had totally forgiven them that’s why he had that anointing. And when they pray for people they say “Lord I just commit these people to you. That’s not good enough God wants us to say “Lord do forgive them, do bless them.” And that’s when they’re set free, we’re set free, we set God free.

Sid: RT we just have a couple of minutes left I want to redeem the time. The most important that the Holy Spirit could present on this subject please tell us.

RT: The way not to grieve the Spirit is never to point the finger. In my own personal life I read Luke 6:37 every day of the year “Do not judge and you will not be judged, do not condemn and you will not be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven.” I read it every day because I want to be sure that every day all day long I do nothing to grieve the Spirit because I just want a greater anointing. And I know that when I speak against people, when I gossip, or when I point the finger the dove the Holy Spirit will flutter away it’s the last thing I want. So the bottom line to keep the anointing and to see the anointing increased it’s a lifestyle of total forgiveness.

Sid: That is the thought, we still have a little time but you know a big one that I notice RT is when someone hurts someone that I love I might take up a greater offense than the person they even hurt.

RT: You know Sid you’re about to open Pandora’s box right at the end of this week but I need to tell you the hardest time that I ever have in forgiving is when they’ve hurt our children. And we’ve seen eyes of our kids hurt I remember one day one Sunday and I looked at the congregation and there was a person that had hurt our daughter I mean hurt her deeply. And I thought “How dare that person come into this church like that.” And it was like the Lord said to me “Wait a minute you’re praying for revival. What if revival were withheld all because you want me to condemn that person?” And I just immediately it took all of grace I could come up with. It was like you know the story of Cory Ten Boone when she saw the man that had been so cruel to her?

Sid: I do but unfortunately we don’t have enough time.

Sid: Hi Sid Roth here with Larry Sparks and Larry has been studying revivals and there is a lot to be learned as far as anything they did we can do. And I believe that we’re so close to the return of Jesus we can even do it better. Tell me some of the things that you’ve learned about studying previous revivals.

Larry: Well first thing is I immediately I think of the Welsh revival there’s a man named Evan Roberts. This man was desperate for God. He was hungry to seek God he was hungry to see God move in his city and his nation in a powerful way. And the thing that we learn from Evan Roberts is that there is a need for perseverance. You know one thing that I read that he wrote is that “I said to myself I will have the Spirit,” and through all weathers and despite all difficulties I went to the meetings. He was constantly in atmosphere and environments where the Holy Spirit was moving he was constantly doing what he could to keep himself hungry. He said…and this is what gets me he said “For 10 or 11 years I have prayed for revival. I could sit up all night to read or talk about revivals it was the Spirit who moved me to think about revival for 10 or 11 years. Now I’m not saying that that’s always the case where we have to pray for 10 or 11 years but Evan Roberts tells us that there is perseverance that is needed to experience the breakthrough. As a result I believe that the Welsh revival, this man carried he prayed for this for 11 years and he saw over 11,000 people come to know Jesus.

Sid: But what about someone like Katherine Kuhlman what did you learn from her?

Larry: I learned from Katherine Kuhlman that there’s always more and that’s interesting to think because Katherine Kuhlman was somebody I wish I had known because here’s this lady who walked in unusual miracle healing anointing. I mean her healings here I go on YouTube I go on the computer and I watch them and her demeanor and her kindness and compassion it just it’s just amazing. And the miracles would just breakout in the presence of God. But I’ll never forget I watched her talk to the Student Body at Oral Roberts University and the first thing she said this to me was the secret of her ministry. The first thing she said as she opened in prayer is she said “God there’s no one here that’s hungrier for more than me.” And I thought to myself Katherine wait a minute your hungry for more, you’re seeing things that we desire to see, you’re seeing things these amazing miracles just popping left and right in those services, in those meetings and yet here she was saying “God there’s no one hungrier for more than me.” So how does that translate, what does that mean? It means that the God that lives inside of us is enormous He is huge, He is great! And Katherine recognized this Katherine knew this that the Spirit of God who lived inside of her was capable was capable of accomplishing anything. And she had stepped into a certain measure of anointing, of power, or miracles but she wasn’t satisfied she was wanting more. And Sid I believe there’s some listeners who are tuning and there’s a couple of categories and I think the Lord really wants to minister to just based on that word, just based on that word from Kathryn back in the 1970’s for those of you who feel like “You know what I’ve never experienced the filling of the Holy Spirit, I’ve never been filled with the Spirit, I believe in Jesus He’s my Savior but I’ve never encountered God. I’ve never encountered God like you’re talking about I believe the Holy Spirit wants to fill you. And I believe that those that have been filled with the Holy Spirit and maybe you’ve spoken in tongues, maybe you operated in prophecy, or gifts of the Spirit and I believe that there’s more. In the Book of Hebrews it talks about the elementary things of the faith has repentance and baptisms, baptism plural. And I believe that there are multiple baptisms we can experience in the Spirit. Yes we get certain gifts but I believe that there are so much more that we can walk in.

Sid: Larry tell me a contemporary someone now that is in the forefront of revival and what you learned from that person.

Larry: One person I actually gotten to spend a good amount of time with is Randy Clark and some of you may know Randy Clark as the evangelist God used to really help to ignite the Toronto Renewal Blessing. God’s used him in a powerful way in healing and teaching other people in activating them in healing ministry. What I’ve seen in Randy is 2 qualities 2 keys to sustaining a life of revival. We all want revival we all want the move of God we all want to experience God. And God wants to touch you but I also want to encourage you God wants to transform you and in Randy’s life I see these 2 keys that were humility and hunger. Now what does that look like? Humility recognizes that there’s so much more of God that I’m presently experiencing. And Randy was a leader he was a pastor, he was somebody as leaders and pastors it’s easy for us to think “Well even though deep down I’m hungry for God I don’t want to show it in front of my people, I don’t want that to be a sign of weakness no that’s the greatest strength because when you lead a church or ministry or people or Bible study and you’re hungry you’re leading them into the same place that you’re going. And that’s what happened with Randy he got hungry he had these dramatic encounters with God starting in 1984 where everything for him and his church changed. He had an impartation of healing and then his church became a place where God would move for moving. He had in 1989 he had another encounter and then God used him in a greater measure with words of knowledge and healing. And then finally I believe it was 1993 the Lord touched him in a very different way each encounter was unique and different but each encounter made him want more. And there was that humility that said “God I know that there’s more” and hunger which was that driving force that caused Randy to go to different places to interact with different people who were experiencing the move of God he was not to a point of arrogance to where he thought “I don’t need to go somewhere if God’s going to touch me He’s going to touch me wherever I am. Now sometimes we need to go somewhere because it demonstrates true desperation and hunger for God.

Sid: I’m feeling a presence of God and one of the things people say about when they read your book even though it’s brand new we’ve read the manuscript before it became a book that it stirs them up to such hunger for God. I can’t think of a more important thing. So would you pray for people right now that they’d be stirred up, that they’d be hungry for God?

Larry: Yes, yes. Father we thank You that there is more, thank You that every time that we go to the Bible and we look at Jesus we see that there’s more and we are just discontent living where we are. It’s not condemnation we don’t feel bad about where we are we get excited because we know wow God there’s so much more; so I pray for those that feel “You know Larry I want to be filled with the Holy Spirit right now.” I pray in the name of Jesus the people that are listening who desire to be filled for the first time ever Holy Spirit touch them from the crown of their heads to the soles of their feet fill them to overflowing, give them just a mighty baptism in Your Spirit. And I pray that it’ll be a deep and profound encounter God that they will live out of that they will be able to live their life out of that. And that God that it’ll be such a memorable moment that they will always have it as a reference point in their life. And for those you that think to themselves “You know what I’ve been filled with the Spirit in the past I’ve had an experience, I’ve been baptized in the Spirit but there’s something inside me that wants more; I’m not just content to just having this one gift or doing this other thing; I’m not content to wear a spiritual merit badge saying well I was baptized in the Holy Spirit now what?” The now what Paul says “Be filled with the Holy Spirit.” And the Greek means to be ever filled, there’s no end the increase of His government no end of the increase of how much Spirit of God can fill you in the earth there’s no end. So right now I pray for those of you who either you’re hungry for another touch or you’re just on fire and your just saying “You know what I’ll take as much more as God wants to give me.” Holy spirit I just ask You to release that in peoples rooms, in peoples cars wherever they’re listing God give them a deep and profound encounter God and bring them to that place of more or more; God that it just wouldn’t be a moment it just wouldn’t be an encounter and experience I pray for sustained measurable results that they would actually see life change on a continuous everyday basis because of these encounters that we’re praying for right now in Jesus Name.

Sid: …After all of these years and having such a hunger for God how do you still have a hunger for God?

Larry: I do that by just doing some very practical things and I’ve mentioned them but I have seasons and times when I feel my faith is dry I remind myself of what He’s done I listen to testimonies I watch testimonies, I read revival books, I crave stories about what God has done and what God is doing. Maybe some of the most powerful ones is I actually remind myself of my own encounters that I’ve had with God and just remind myself. And I ask Him I ask the Lord to take me back to that moment like smell the smells and hear the sounds and bring me back to that moment of encounter and remind me how powerful it was. Remind me truly of what I have living inside of me.

Sid: Is this the generation that is going to see the greatest revival the world has ever seen?

Larry: I believe it is, I believe it is because this generation…so many people look at this generation and say “It’s a fearless generation, it’s a reckless generation.” It’s a generation that I believe is wired to crave the supernatural and the problem is that if we as the church don’t give them the Biblical foundation of walking in the supernatural they are going to look for it somewhere else and we cannot…that must be illegal on our watch they cannot go to the New Age, they cannot go to the occult, they can’t go to witchcraft or what Hollywood has and all of the different places because the supernatural should be natural to every single Christian.