Sid: You heard yesterday how excited I was at the Days of Elijah Celebration, how about Dr. Michael Brown. He speaks reads or writes 12 Semitic languages a true scholar but deep in the Spirit. I want you to hear his heart in reference to the history, the sad history of what many call Christian anti-Semitism.

Dr. Michael Brown: How is it that in our day… let me read you something. In our day this last year June of last year a number of world Christian leaders representing major denominations wrote a letter listen to this:

June 2001 Christian Leaders representing church representatives ranging from Catholic to American Baptist, Anglican, to United Methodist, to reform church of America, to African Methodist Episcopal, to Evangelical Lutheran to, Korean Presbyterians, to Greek Orthodox, to Mennonite, to Moravian, to National Council of Churches USA wrote to Secretary of State Koln Powell and urged him not to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capitol at this time.

How in the world? “We tremble to consider the destructive consequences that would follow the premature moving as called for by Congress of the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.”

Just got this by email a few days ago reported in the Washington Post July 23. Some Christian leaders wrote to President Bush among them professors from Wheaton College some of the finest Christian Schools in America. Evangelical leaders, leaders of prison fellowship, I’m talking about godly evangelical men and women, not just Christians in name only but people who would be well know the editor of the most major Christian magazine in the world. They wrote to President Bush “The American Evangelical Community is not a monolithic block and full and firm support of the present Israel policy.” They said prayly “Don’t get the idea Mr. President that all Evangelicals stand with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and endorse Israel all the time; and you need to work much more on behalf of the Palestinians and don’t show such favoritism to Israel.”

What in the world is going on? I’m going to explain it in a little while but I want you to feel the weight of it and the reality of it because this is truth and you can’t just stick your head in the sand and say it didn’t happen.

About 10 years ago a Christian group asked me to come into Yale University and ask me to do an outreach and we felt to come in at a different angle and the angle was this. We asked the question, why is there anti-Semitism all around the world, what are the roots of it in history and today? And our answer was there is a diabolical demonic a devilish plot to destroy the Jews because the Jews special calling and the Messiahship of Jesus. That was the angle and we felt from the Lord to do that.

I got up and I lectured for about an hour and then we took questions maybe we had 70 or 80 people there but 30 or 40 of them were non-believing Jews mainly students at Yale. And one by one for about an hour and 3/4s they raised questions to try to refute my argument. One after another tried to come at it from every angle and in the end they ran out of arguments. One religious Jew came up to me and said “I’ve never seen the opposition so graciously dismantled.” It wasn’t that I was so brilliant it was that there’s something going on here. Think about it for a minute. Why is it that communist, who are atheist, have been known for Jew hatred, that the fascias, the Nazi’s who are enemies of the communist were Jew haters? Why is it that Islam is filled with hatred of the Jewish people and produces what we see today with suicide bombers blowing Jews up in the name of Allah?   How do you get that?

You can go to a country like Japan most Japan most Japanese people have never met a Jew in their lives and there has been bestselling books written in Japan during times of economic challenge in recent years saying that the problem in Japan is the economy is the fault of the Jew. And in the Middle Ages when people are dying of the black-death Jews were blamed and they said “They poisoned the wells.” They were slaughtered those that didn’t die were then slaughtered.

How is it you have Jew hatred in Islam and communism? How is it you have white supremacist in America, Ku Klux Klan type of people. White supremacy filled with racism and black supremacy who hate whites and they both hate each other but they have one thing in common they also hate the Jews and honor Adolf Hitler.

Then the same spirit, listen look at the media if you go around the world and watch CNN International, or BBC World News, or Star News International you get outside of America it’s even worse than in our country. You know what they refer to when a Palestinian blows himself up and kills children, mothers and young people, elderly people. You know what they call it? So called terrorism! The Palestinians who we pray for and love and while she’s saved and are friends of ours and involved in reaching out to them with the Good News of Yeshua. But here they are singing and dancing in the streets after 911 it’s a great day of celebration. And Israel calls for National Day of Mourning and the media sympathy is its Israel’s fault that 911 even happened.

How in the world is it? Why the intensity of the hatred and how did it even creep in among God’s people? There’s a reason for this, there’s something diabolical, there’s something demonic, there’s something larger going on! And none of the simple answers work, let me tell you first what happened in the church, and let me tell you why spiritually this is going on and then in the end bring you some encouragement.

Look down in Romans 11. Paul is speaking to Gentile believers and he calls them Gentiles it’s not an insult. But see Paul was dealing with the problem. You know after all the Jews were the favorite sons and daughters that got to sit and feast at the table now they’re outside and we’re enjoying the feasts. What are you going to begin to think? Their out, we’re in, their old, we’re new we have replaced them! They are no longer important they forfeited their role and we have now taken over. So Paul twice in the chapter warns them the end of verse 20 “Do not be arrogant but be afraid.” Then verse 25 “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mysteries brothers so that you may not be conceited.” This is what happened. Ignorance brought about insecurity and insecurity brought about arrogance and turned into Jew hatred even in the church or at least the so called church.

What was the mystery? Paul said “Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentles come in.” In other words not all Jews have been hardened there is still a remnant it’s only in part and it is not for all time. In the end after this vast harvest of Gentiles has come in there will be a softening of Jewish hearts and a turning back of Jewish people to the Messiah. So the hardening is not forever and the hardening is not complete. In other words God is not finished with Israel, God has not replaced Israel. The Church is not the new Israel that has displaced the old.

An editor of a Christian publisher emailed me the other day we worked with him through the years and he said “Mike I just got a proposal by so and so.” I knew the man’s name he’s a fine Christian author, he’s written some excellent pieces. He said “Mike would you look at this proposal this is in your area it’s on the missing piece of prophecy.” I said “I’ll do my guest to get on it I’m busy I have other commitments but I’ll do my best to get on it and get back to you.” I was hoping to do so in a few days but I began to glance at the proposal within a couple of minutes I wrote him back “Run from this like the plague!” The whole thing was how the church has a misunderstanding of Israel and how the church stands with modern political Israel has nothing to do with end-time restoring Israel instead we need to stay with the Palestinians. And what happened was this man of compassion and care went over saw hardship suffering in midst of the Palestinian people didn’t understand the history of it, didn’t understand that has been a choice by the Arab world to leave them as a sore spot to make Israel look bad; it’s been a determined choice it never happened like that. Most Palestinian suffering is not the problem of Israel it’s the problem of the Arab world. I deal with that in “Our Hands are Stained with Blood” and nothing has changed with that within the last 10 years and just gotten worse. Of course we have compassion and pity on these people, but I couldn’t believe this guy too got it wrong. And now he’s got a burden to write about it. I’m not a alarmist trust me I don’t get all worked up.

But when the book came out in 1988 “Eighty-eight Reasons Why Jesus is Coming in 1988” I think He was coming back in September 12^th or something. Somebody said to me “Mike are you going to read the book?” I said “Yeah on September 13.” I don’t really care about the sensationalistic stuff and all of this but I’m telling you something is going on that is very disturbing and very distressing. And if you know history the question is why should we be the exception to the rule? Why should America hang on and do what other nations have not done? It’s very tenuous right now.

I tremble sometimes when I see what goes on in the White House you think that will affect the entire nation that will affect the world.

Sid: Will pick up right here on tomorrow broadcast.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to walk in supernatural signs and wonders and I have just the man that God’s raised up on the telephone. I am speaking to Rick Taylor he is the head of the Healing Rooms of Santa Maria Valley, California where there has been a spectacular outbreak of the miraculous. Rick tells me that most people that have cancer when they go there they leave healed. Many of them have to go many times but his staff does not give up. As I understand it you encourage people, well some people feel that it’s a lack of faith if I keep going but you don’t look at it that way do you?

Rick: Well what we do we tell people we’ll contend for your healing and even back in John G. Lakes day you know John Lake contended and there’s stories of people that came 30 times to his healing rooms and on the 30^th time they got healed.

Sid: Now for those that are not familiar with John G. Lake why don’t you briefly tell us about his ministry?

Rick: Well yeah John Lake about 85 years ago had healing rooms in Spokane, Washington and during that time a 5 year period there were over 100,000 documented healings that took place in the city of Spokane.

Sid: Is it true that the doctors were upset with him?

Rick: Well you know the doctors did not like John Lake and the reason why is because they were going bankrupt.

Sid: (Laughing)

Rick: So many people were getting healed that it literally shutdown the medical industry in the city. And so they did not like John Lake.

Sid: Now he had…now this John Lake had a vision that the healing rooms would be spread throughout everywhere in the world didn’t he?

Rick: That was his vision, yes his vision was to see every city in the United States having a healing room and then eventually go around the world. Now he never saw that in his lifetime. What the Lord showed me is that you know sometimes you know it’s like a seed. A vision is like a seed it has to die and then go into the ground and it’s just the right time God perfect timing He comes and waters that seed and then that seed begins to sprout and grow and begins to produce fruit. And that’s what we’re seeing now 85 years later we’re seeing these healing rooms spring up all over the United States and even going around the world. We have in Germany alone we go there and visit every year they want to start 30 healing rooms in Germany alone.

Sid: Now to me it’s so spectacular because I hate this evil disease called cancer that most people with cancer they go to your healing rooms are being healed. Tell me about one.

Rick: Well we have a wonderful one I want to talk about a woman her name is Marty from Sacramento. She was from a background the church that taught her healing was not for today. She actually thought she was sick for God’s glory and I had to tell he “you know what “God is not gloried when we we’re sick, He’s gloried when we’re healed.” But she was telling me she had a brain cancer, and brain tumors and also spinal cancer and tumors. Doctors gave her anywhere from 3 to 6 months to live, gave her no hope. They said “We might be able to prolong a few months if we give her radical surgery which would have made her quadriplegic. She opted not to do that, she came actually to one of our healing seminars. As she listened to us for a day and half talking about the healing work and how God it is God’s will to heal. Not only is He able but He’s willing to heal. And as we began to unfold the truth you know that Jesus said “You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.” And she began to hear the truth through the scripture Old and New Testament her mind set changed. And as our team was praying for her at the end of the seminar she said she felt like “Somebody lifted off the top of her skull and began to pour in room-temperature milk.” And she said “She felt that milk going down her brain, down her neck into her arm, down her torso all the way down into her feet. And she said “It was the most amazing feeling that she’s ever experienced; she said “This feeling lasted for about an hour and she just knew God was healing her. Well she made an appointment to go back and see her doctor, her doctor thoroughly checked her out and he cannot find a single cancer cell or tumor in her body anywhere. The doctor said “You know what you’re a miracle woman I can’t explain this and she told him it was Jesus, Jesus healed me.”

Sid: Rick put your wife Lori on I’d like to talk to her for a moment. I’m speaking to Lori Taylor Lori I want you to tell me a resent healing involving cancer that you’re aware of in your healing room.

Lori: Okay I had a woman named Mary she had breast cancer and it had gone into her liver. The doctor gave her 3 months to live and she’s been coming to the healing rooms for a few months now and feeling every time she comes that God does something. And now it’s been several months and it’s completely healed. And we prayed for her on Tuesday and she said “She just wanted to come in one last time and just have the finishing touches” and she’s just amazed she’s a Catholic woman. And it’s just wonderful to see God transforming life like that.

Sid: Let me speak to your husband one more time.

Lori: Okay.

Sid: Rick what about some other types of diseases like say Crones disease?

Rick: We had a woman named Jackie came to our San Jose training who had Crones disease. And I don’t know if you know what Crones is but it’s debilitating it…she could not walk any more. With a cane and somebody assisting her she can walk short distances. It’s also devastated her intestines and her digestive system.

Sid: Is there any cure for Crones disease?

Rick: Absolutely nothing you can do for Crones.

Sid: Hm.

Rick: And she could only eat very small portions of certain foods that were very bland. But anyway as the word was going out the healing word was going out something hit her and she began to feel better. And at the end of the training she walked up to me and said “Boy I could barely walk before with assistance but look I’m walking with this cane and sometimes I don’t even have to use this cane.” Well we prayed for her and then we went to lunch. Now this lady actually went to lunch with us and we went to a Chinese restaurant and we all ordered certain dishes and we had in the middle all of the different dishes where people would help themselves. All of a sudden this woman’s appetite came back after 30 years and she ate 4 plates of spicy Chinese food. God completely healed her digestive system.

Sid: Now that’s as acid a test that I know!

Rick: Yeah (Laughing) and then the strength started increasing in her body she was getting better and better and better as each minute was going on. Well we were walking out of the restaurant downtown San Jose and in the parking lot I hear a woman not walking but running; saying “look at me, look at me.” And as I turned around and looked it was Jackie she was running with her arms in the air tears streaming down her face she got to me she started jumping up and down and dancing. God completely, completely healed her, restored her she’s completely healed of Crones disease.

Sid: Tell me about that man that he was in his early 70’s and the doctors sent him home to die because he had bone cancer that was spread throughout his entire body.

Rick: Well it’s true the doctors said “There’s nothing else we can do for you you have 2 weeks to live” and he was in tremendous pain even though he was on morphine. His wife heard about us and they came to us and a team began to pray for this man. Now this man describes like it was like this, he was so intense he couldn’t stand it but as the team began to pray he felt it it started at his feet. The pain left his feet and he felt like something rolling through his body and all of a sudden up to his knees was pain free. And up to his hips and then actually all of the pain rolled out of his head and he was completely completely pain free. And that’s all we knew; all we knew was that God took his pain away which we were so thankful for. Two weeks later this man was supposed to be dead he drives himself up to our healing room by himself walks into my office dressed normally and perfectly. He said “Rick I have not had any pain since you guys prayed for me, I’ve got 90% of my strength back and I’m back at work and I’m playing golf with my buddies.”

Sid: And you know what is so exciting to me if God used you Rick to lay hands on the sick and they were healed I would be extremely excited, however I believe that you’re a fore-runner of the next and the greatest move of God’s Spirit on planet earth because it’s not going to be a superstar revival and healings, it’s so transferable. For instance you were telling he about this pastor from Isabella, California you laid hands on him or prayed for him and what happened?

Rick: Yes, well he came to us last week and he observed and then our team prayed impartation on him. And it is a transferable anointing God wants to see people healed more than we want to see them healed and we love to give it away. My favorite part of the ministry is going out and taking it and giving it away.

Sid: Listen you prayed for me as you may recall when we did a television show together and in the airport coming home I saw a woman walking with a cane next to me. I walked up and I said “Mind if I pray for you, lots of people are getting healed.” And she said “Please.” And I did and she was instantly healed it is a transferable anointing.

Rick: Wow, that’s amazing.

Sid: So what happened in that church is Isabella?

Rick: Well this pastor went back to his church and began to tell them what he experienced and then he invited those who needed healing to come forward and miracles broke out in his church. And ever since now he’s had meetings and midweek meetings also and people are getting healed and he’s never seen healing in this church.

Sid: Can you picture what’s going to happen when an army of people in this city take this healing anointing out in the highways and byways where it’s meant to be rather where it’s meant to be rather than the four walls of the church?

Rick: That’s so key to what God’s about to do. You know most of Jesus’ miracles were in the streets. And I tell my team “You know what God is bigger than any 4 walls of any church or any ministry and we’re seeing miracles here in Santa Maria in the shopping centers, in the restaurants, in the bank. We’re seeing them in Lens Crafters, in grocery stores, or our team is going out and just like you said laid hands on the sick their looking for them and their getting healed.

Sid: Do you find that the more people pray the greater the results they see.

Rick: You bet. That’s right…

Sid: We’re out of time.

Sid: Hello this is Sid Roth here welcome to Mashuga for Yeshua. Mashuga is a Hebrew word it means crazy for Yeshua for Jesus. And you may say “Well Sid you’re crazy for Jesus.” And I’ll say to you what are you crazy for? Everyone’s crazy for something I just happen to be crazy for Jesus. I am Mashuga for Yeshua.” My guest Rick Renner he’s got to be more Mashuga than me he picks up his whole family and he moves to Russia and this was before Rick this was before communism was down is that correct?

Rick: Oh yes communism was to rule and king at that moment.

Sid: And I remember going there before communism was down and I remember all of the security I had to go through and long lines in the stores and how awful those hotels were. How could you have done that to your family Rick? (Laughing)

Rick: You know Sid with the first time I went to the Soviet Union I just feel in love with it. When I saw those red flags and the sickle and the hammer and the soldiers carrying their machine guns something in me just woke up and said “This is where you’re supposed to be.” It had to the grace of God.

Sid: You told me that you really were pushed over, so to speak, when you were teaching in a Bible School in the former Soviet Union and God spoke to you. Tell me about that.

Rick: It was the first above ground Bible School in the Soviet Union. There was about 200 students and I did not want to go there. I had grown up in a family we had 5 missionaries and I said “Being a missionary is something I’m never going to be.” And someone really kind of guilted me into going on this mission trip and I found myself saying “Yes.” So I ended up on this airplane landing in the Soviet Union, next thing I knew checking into a hotel where there were cockroaches and rats and…

Sid: It must have been the same hotel I was at (Laughing).

Rick: I mean the Soviet Union had just fallen apart.

Sid: It was awful and by the way I did the same awful thing you did I took my wife I didn’t know what we were walking into. I did one of the first Jewish…probably the first Jewish outreach in the former Soviet Union and I didn’t know how bad it was and I took my wife there. Do you know there was so many cockroaches and bugs and everything else you could imagine in the hotel rooms that we had to move our bed into the halls because that was safer than the rooms.

Rick: That sounds like a Soviet hotel.

Sid: Okay so you forced yourself you’re speaking and what happens?

Rick: I stood up and I opened my Bible and when I opened my Bible the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “Welcome to you to your new home.” And I literally was just stunned by what I heard and I thought “What?!” And the Holy Spirit repeated to me the second time “Welcome to your new home.” And that hour that I taught the whole hour that I looked into the eyes of those students I kept thinking “This is my new home, these are my new people.” And Sid God absolutely transferred a love for the Soviet people deep into my heart. And do you know when my family finally made the big move it took a little while for me to get my family there but within a year we were there. And when we got off the airplane came down those steps from the plane of course there were Soviet soldiers back in those days standing there with a machine guns and it was dark. But my entire family got on our knees right on the tar mat right on the bottom of the airplane and we dedicated ourselves to this land and we kissed the ground and we asked God to put the Soviet Union into our heart. And we just didn’t know how deep it was going to be put into our heart. Now we’re still there and that was way back in 1991.

Sid: Now how many children do you have?

Rick: We have 3 sons.

Sid: Okay and how old were they when you came?

Rick: Joel tuned 2 that week, and I think Philip was 6 and Paul was 8 and so they were young. And moving your family to the Soviet Union was not something were doing back in those days. And I can tell you Sid that there are people who came but as far as I know were the only ones that stayed. We don’t know another missions family who has been in Russia as long as we have, we don’t know anyone. We watched history change right in front of our eyes.

Sid: I’m sure but all of these years later since the early 90’s you have 400 churches that you’re an apostle over. You have a television network, how did you get into television?

Rick: Well television started in the very beginning and I preached at a…I preached in a big event in the city of Regolatsia and the event was broadcast and my wife and I were watching the broadcast and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “Now I’m going to tell you why I really brought you here.” You know sometimes God gets you in a direction and doesn’t tell you the full story until you’re in route.

Sid: I understand.

Rick: Well now we were there and the Holy Spirit said “Now I’m going to tell you why I really brought you here I want you to take Sunday School to the people of the Soviet Union on television.” And so I just begin to do…

Sid: You know the Holy Spirit’s brilliant what a great idea (Laughing.)

Rick: You know they didn’t know the Bible but they were absolutely open hearted to learn and the Soviet Union has collapsed and everything is just raging out of control a time of craziness and people were hungry for answers. And at that particular moment they wanted to hear what Americans had to say. So I began to travel all over the Soviet Union and we began to develop a network of stations that have been with us all of these years. And we broadcast all over the former Soviet Union.

Sid: As from what I understand you were probably one of the first Christian networks in the Soviet Union.

Rick: I believe that we were the first actually and it’s been such an honor that we’ve been able to broadcast for all of these years that stated in 1992.

Sid: Okay I need you to help me out I am really in lack of better words in awe of the gifting God has given you. I’ve been reading your book “Dressed to Kill.” I love the subtitle before the title “You Don’t Have to Take It Anymore Because You Are Dressed to Kill.” Since I brought that up what does that…briefly what does that mean?

Rick: It really has to do with putting on the whole armor of God. And you know Paul’s pretty specific in Ephesians chapter 6 about “Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.” And God has provided this wonderful weaponry for us and if we will wear that weaponry and if we will walk in that weaponry it enables us to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Sid: You know I want to let people understand what I’m talking about: #1 you are a very very anointed Bible teacher. #2 You have a handle on the Greek as few people I have ever heard. And I want you to kind of illustrate this by where it talks about the armor or God. It’s Ephesians chapter 6 in the 10^th verse it says “Finally be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.” Explain the Greek in that because what you did with that one sentence it would be enough food for the average Christian for a month.

Rick: Thank you you know I studied Greek in the university so it’s a very serious thing with me. But when Paul says “Finally my brethren” that word finally is totaloipon in Greek. It means “now to the rest of the matter.” And in fact when you take the whole book of Ephesians which is filled with theological subjects you come to the very end where Paul uses this word totaloipon the word finally, in some documents it would have been translated “Now to the last and most important matter at hand.”

Sid: That does make a difference you know when you say that it really grabs your attention rather than “Finally” you know that’s just like an after-thought but go ahead.

Rick: I mean when you consider Ephesians is filled with the eternal plan of God it’s teaching on the grace of God, salvation, family matters, husband and wife relationships. But when you come to the end that word finally is almost the equivalent of if you’re not going to hang on to anything else that I’ve said to you in this letter I’ve saved this to the end so that this will stand supreme in your mind “Finally the most important matter at hand my brethren be strong in the Lord.” And then Paul begins his text on spiritual warfare it’s very powerful.

Sid: But let’s just go down a couple more words “Finally be strong in the Lord.” Tell me about the word strong.

Rick: That word strong is the “Enduo” that’s a compound of two words the word in and the word duo which is the word dunamis the word power. And that word strong describes the specific kind of power that is placed to be put in something. In other words this not just a free floating power that’s floating through the air but this is a power that’s designed to be placed into some kind of receptacle. In this particular case the Holy Spirit was talking to us you and I are the receptacles especially made to be the containers of this special power. And the Greek that is used describes a power that flows in and gives an inner strengthening. And it is a command and so this is not an option it is something that we are commanded to receive. “Be strong in the Lord, receive an infilling of the Spirit which makes you strong.” And when Paul says “In the Lord and in the power of His might” it’s really describing about the mighty miraculous power of God.

Sid: I’ll tell you when I just read your teaching on one line from Ephesians I mean I felt like I read the New Testament for the first time. That depth makes such a difference in our comprehension Rick, I know that you know that, but most people you know they read that one line in the English and they miss most of what God’s trying to communicate.

Rick: You know the Greek language was fashioned by God I believe in a special way and the Holy Spirit choice it for the New Testament because it is so full. And so when I teach for instance in “Dressed to Kill” I really don’t teach verse by verse I teach word by word. Every single word is like a whole illustrated sermon and it just opens up. David prayed in Psalm 119 and said “Open my eyes to see wondrous things to behold. And I believe that when you study the Greek New Testament God opens the eyes to see things that are just wondrous.

Sid: Okay 1980 you’re a student, you’re in college, you’re home, you’re praying and you have an angelic visitation. Was that your first angelic visitation?

Rick: Yes it was and it took me completely off guard.

Sid: Tell me about it.

Rick: I was at home at the time and I had just laid down on my couch and Sid I suddenly felt a presence in the room. I’m sure that you had experiences where you feel something but you don’t know who it is or you don’t know where they are. I felt a presence in that room. And I sat straight up on the couch, reached to my right, turned on the lamp and within seconds standing in front of me a man materialized. When he materialized there was such a peace that came with it he was standing I would say that he was standing 5 to 6 feet in front of me. And when I looked into his eyes I’ve never seen eyes like that you could look into those eyes forever they were so deep. And he…I thought to myself “Who is this man?” Now I thought that and he never opened his mouth but he answered me it was thought to thought communication. And he said “I am from the presence of the Lord.” And I understood that this was an angel and he stood there and he began to communicate with me 3 things about my life and about my future. It was a very formative stage of my life and so of course this has had a great impact on my life. And I’ve only rarely shared this experience.

Sid: What did he tell you about your future?

Rick: Well the first thing he told…well the first thing he did was he held up his hands and in between his hands it looked like he was holding a parchment or a text. And I understood that it was the words of “1 Peter 1 where God talks about sojourners and those who had experienced difficulty in life.” And it was like those words left his hands and entered into me. And when they entered into me they filled my chest these words about being a sojourner and about being with people who have suffered difficulty for their faith. Then he raised his hands again and it was in between his hands he held the words Isaiah 53 where the Bible talks about the suffering Savior. And the words of that entered into me and I understood again that the sufferings of Christ and the people who have suffered. Then Sid it was like the whole room filled with a map. And this map began to violently shake.

Sid: What was the map of?

Rick: It was a map of the world.

Sid: Okay.

Rick: Yeah I could see the whole world and this visitor said to me that “There’s going to be earthshaking events that are going to take place geographically in your life.” And I understood that God was giving me a ministry which was going to reach out to people who had traveled and that my life would be a sojourning ministry that living in America probably was not going to be my destiny. I didn’t understand exactly what it would be but I understood that it would be a sojourning ministry and that God was calling me to minister to a people who had suffered and that we would see earth shaking events happen during our life and would live in a part of world where there would be monumental changes. And just as soon as he appeared he disappeared. And I found myself sitting on that couch in that room just pondering what had just happened to me. It was really life changing experience.

Sid: You know before we went on the air we were talking about your belief in end times based on your knowledge of the Greek and spending a lifetime studying the scriptures and loving the scriptures the way you do. And you told me that you really feel, and you distinguish between last days and the last of the last days. I’ve often wondered when I read the book of Hebrews and it starts out “In these last days” and I thought “Boy they sure missed it.” Comment on the difference between the last days and the last of the last days.

Rick: Well the last days is a period that began on Pentecost at 9:00 in the morning. I mean God is very specific on His calendar. When Peter stood up and said “These are not drunken as you supposed seeing that it’s the 9^th hour of the day this is that what was prophesied by the Prophet Joel that I will pour out My Spirit in the last days.” And that marked a period a period which some people called “The Church Age” other people call it the age of grace. But the Bible calls it “The last days” and we have literally been living in that time period for 2000 years. And so when people get skeptical or maybe they even get a little sarcastic and they “Oh the last days we’ve been living in the last days for 2000 years.” That’s exactly right it’s been about a 2000 year time period. But when you talk about the last of the last days the Bible is very clear in 2^nd Timothy chapter 3 in verse 1 where it talks about…

Sid: I’ll tell you what when we come back from the break I want to pick up right there because most believers I know realize we are in the last of the last days and I want you to explain that from the Greek. And everyone wants to understand this as best as they can. And that’s why we asked you to put together a 4 CD series called “Prophetic End Time Alert” in which you teach with your amazing gift of teaching and understanding the Greek. I mean you even told me for most of your life you were you really didn’t care about the rapture you believed in it but you felt that’s not something you can really know in this life but recently God has shown you from the Greek that you are 100% convinced of the pre-trib rapture. And you say and I agree it’s about ready to happen! But your book “Dressed to Kill” it says “You don’t have to take it anymore because your dressed to kill. A biblical approach to spiritual warfare and armor now most people say “Well biblical approach to warfare I don’t want that.” What would you say to them?

Rick: I would just say you’re going to just have the fight of your life if you don’t learn how to put on this… this armor this armor is designed to help you so that you can stand against the wiles of the devil. And whether you like it or not you’re going to have a conflict with the devil at some point in your life and you can either be prepared for it or you can be unprepared for it.

Sid: My understanding is that if you’re right and I’m right then the return of the Messiah is eminent everything intensifies.

Rick: And it’s a time for people to know how to put on the whole armor of God.

Sid: Now have you had many people give you feedback of the difference it made in their life by reading this book.

Rick: Ah Sid there have been 100’s of 1000’s of people that bought this book it’s in multiple languages around the world. And people have used it in Bible schools, in study groups, it is. Well I’ll just tell you Kenneth Hagen said that “It should be the classic on spiritual warfare” and laid it on his pulpit and taught from it word by word. And…

Sid: I can understand why he or anyone would do that. I can’t understand anyone that hasn’t read this book because he we are in the last of the last days, things are not getting better people take a look open your eyes. And the devil knows his time is short and I’m going to tell you something if you will prepare yourself all the devil can do is blow air at you. I’m telling you, you don’t have to take it anymore because when you are dressed in the armor of God and Rick you have marvelous full color illustrations of what Paul observed while he was in prison what that armor looked like most Christians don’t have a clue what it looked like. But more important than that from the Greek how to really put that armor on and stand when you’ve done everything else stand as you just explained as a vessel filled with the power of God. And devil you watch out when we come back I want to hear a bit about your understanding of end times.

Sid: Remember I told you on yesterday’s broadcast that we were going to talk about an amazing sign and wonder. And it involves the shofar, the ram’s horn, a very unusual Biblical instrument. My guest Jim Barbarossa, I’m speaking to him at his home in Valparaiso, Indiana. And we found out of yesterday’s broadcast that he had a very rare blood disorder a form of Leukemia; he was sent home to die. And to make a long story short he not only came to the Lord but he heard a voice that was almost audible that said the he would be healed. He went back to where they tested him, Mayo Clinic, and they said “Tests have come back completely normal and you… I’ll tell you what you were so aggressive when you saw that God is real and God can heal. In fact one time you were with your father-in-law and you picked up a hitchhiker who had a stiff leg and what happened?

Jim: Well we were going down a country road and saw this man hitch hiking. I was on vacation and really didn’t want to do this but I heard the Spirit of the Lord say “Pick him up.” And I pulled over to pick him up and I asked him where he was going?” He told me he was going to a bar and I thought, this is crazy why would God have me pick up a man and have me take him to a bar? And I said “Well why don’t you get in,” and we had one of those cab and a half pickups and you have to crawl behind the back seat and he said “I can’t get back there my leg doesn’t bend.” And at that point my father-in-law said “Let me crawl in the back and you can just get in the front.” So he climbed in and I could see he was favoring his leg kind of dragging it when he was getting in. And when we were going down the road he told me a little bit about his leg being hurt 18 years ago. The Spirit of the Lord said “Share your testimony with him, tell him how I healed you, tell him what I’ve done for you.” And I was talking a mile a minute and I was trying to get everything in that I could possibly get in while I’m taking him to this bar. And as we go down the road we’re getting closer to the bar and he says “Well, this is where I get off.” And he went to get out of the truck and as he went to get out ot the truck I said “Can I pray for you?” No I said “I will be praying for you.” And he closed the door of the truck and started heading for the bar he got partly there and turned around and he came back to the truck, he opened the door and stuck his head back in and said “When you pray for me, pray for my lower back because that’s where the nerves were damaged and that’s why this leg doesn’t bend today.” And closed the door of the truck and he headed back to the bar and the first thought that went through my mind was “As I go down the road on my merry way I will pray for him and the Spirit of the Lord said “Now!” And I moved and I had never done anything like this before and I was only a baby Christian about a year and half in the Lord and I jumped out of the truck and ran around the backside of the truck and I hollered for this man and he looked at me and said “What do you want?” I said “I want to pray for you.” And he said “You mean right here right now in front of this bar you want to pray for me?” And I said “Yes I do.” And he was a big fellow and I had to kind of look up at him and the fear started to rise up in me and then I realized he was more afraid than I was and he said “If I let you pray for me what are you going to do to me?”

Sid: Hm.

Jim: And I looked at him and I said “I’m going to do what the Bible says I’m going to ask God the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ to set you free.” And in a deep southern drawl he had his arms crossed just staring straight ahead he said “Do it.” And as he said “Do it.” I started to pray for him and I felt the power of the Almighty Living God everywhere it was all over me. I’m looking at him as I’m praying and he’s like a piece of stone he’s not blinking an eye, didn’t have his eyes shut wasn’t crying there was absolutely zero emotion. God taught me about emotion that day there doesn’t have to be any for God to be working. And when I got done praying for him I simply stuck out my hand and shook his hand and I said “I believe that God is going to do something for you.” And I left him and walked around the back side of the truck and I’m getting ready to get in the truck who was younger in the Lord than me had been waiting in the truck all of this time. And I had no idea how long it took but it seemed like it was awhile but he waited. As I’m climbing up in the truck he said “What did you do to him?” And I said “What do you mean?” And as I looked up into the rear view mirror this man is now walking past the bar and he’s going down the street he did not go in that bar. As I watched and as I watched he took that leg that had not bent in 18 years and he shook it and he took another step and he stuck it out and he shook it some more. And I watched him for about 2 blocks as he shook that leg and went down that street totally healed.

Sid: But you know something Jim this supernatural sign that your involved in right now that as almost a foretaste of it. You were actually went to Israel and met a friend of mine Israel Arabaugh. And in Israel my friend who’s name is Israel started blowing the shofar and what happened when you saw him blow that?

Jim: Well we were in a market place and he was blowing shofars for someone else who had actually purposed that they were going to buy one, they were there to buy one. I was on a trip but I had no intention to buy a shofar. I didn’t even have a clue and as he blew this one particular one I said “That’s mine.” And I knew that it was mine.

Sid: So did you buy it so that you’d be able to blow it?

Jim: No, no absolutely not I…

Sid: You just bought it as a souvenir.

Jim: Yeah, bring it home set it on a nice table with a pretty cloth and when people come over to visit we can tell them about our trip to Israel.

Sid: But then your wife started having some prophetic dreams tell me about them.

Jim: Well the first thing we were going to Africa in October of 1996 and we had gotten the shofar in May of 1996. And I had been dealing with “Should we take the shofar to Africa?” I kept feeling we were supposed to, but intellectually I was fighting it “Why would we want to take it half way around the world this just doesn’t make any sense to me.” And we were invited to go to Africa with another ministry and we were invited to lead the worship when we got there. And she had a dream and she came to me 2 weeks before it was time to go and she said “You know I had this dream and I think I need to share it with you, but in this dream I’m pregnant and we’re in this tiny little car and you’re driving it and you’re taking me to the hospital and I’m going to have a baby; and as you’re driving this car you reach under the seat and you pull out this giant shofar. As you pull it out you make this announcement “I will blow this during the birthing process.” And man when I heard that I knew I had to take my shofar to Africa, I didn’t know why but I knew I had to take it.

Sid: But when you got to Africa you were shocked to find out that you weren’t just leading worship they had you advertised to be a main speaker and at a healing campaign.

Jim: When we saw these posters we were shocked, but after talking to the leadership who had taken us we really believe that God was in it and even though we were totally unprepared we just obeyed and he went one way and he went another way.

Sid: Had you ever given a message before?

Jim: Ah…. no.

Sid: This was interesting and so how did you start?

Jim: Never had preached before or shared before in that manner and basically just tried to hear the Lord and obey and the first thing of course that he had us do was to blow the shofar at the start of the meeting.

Sid: Anything unusual happen when you blew the shofar for the first time at the start of a meeting?

Jim: A very awesome powerful presence of God more so than I had ever felt before. I didn’t understand it because it was an instrument that I knew anything about. All I knew is that God said “Use it.”

Sid: Well tell me some of the results of your meetings.

Jim: Well I think probably the easiest way is I’ll read to you a letter we received from a lady who was in the meeting when we were in Kenya, Africa her name was Sister Fanese. And it says the blowing the shofar trumpet you brought here did not just make a noise it declared victory, demons were cast out, captives were set free. It had revealed that God is reigning in our city in a mighty way. Since you have left we have been having wonderful testimonies about healing, deliverance and people being set free of evil powers.” And that was the first letter we got and then we received another one from a Pastor Solomon and it says “Just to mention the fruits of your labor, there was a woman with a limp problem and her daughter was paralyzed; after you had prayed for her told you her to go home and lay hands on her daughter. As she prayed the miracle healing met them both. The daughter got up and walked and mother was healed, the daughter came on Saturday to church worship and just as you departed our country she was saved and won and she continues with Jesus.”

Sid: What about people that are blind or people that were deaf any reports around those lines?

Jim: We received a letter from a pastor and I don’t have that one handy but I’ll give it to you the best of my ability as I remember it. And basically it started off that we want to share a notable miracle with you. And it was a mother who was in that meeting who was also instructed to go home and go to the hospital and pray her child and the child’s eyes, ears were closed and immediately upon laying hands upon the child the eyes and the ears were opened.

Sid: Now you’re a baby you probably haven’t seen miracles like this let alone prayed for people with miracles like this what are you thinking, what’s going on with you?

Jim: I didn’t have a clue, all I knew was the same voice that said “I’m going to heal you” was directing everything we did on that trip.

Sid: Jim, we’re out of time right now. Mishpochah let me explain something to you when Jim blows the shofar so many signs and wonders happen. I believe that it’s an end time sign and wonder but I also believe that it’s a transferable thing and when he teaches on the shofar and blows the shofar miracles take place. Somehow it’s go to do with this One New Man the knitting of the Jew and the Gentile Christian together. I believe that when he blows the shofar that it’s going to be a knitting of the One New Man don’t you dare do anything but tune in to the broadcast on tomorrow.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah because he knows what’s on the other side. You see the problem with most Christians is most Christian I believe don’t even understand the dark side of the invisible world my guest does. His name is Michael Champagne I’m speaking to him at home at Palisade, Colorado. Michael you were raised in a nice Baptist church you even taught the Bible, but you started studying mythology in the 5^th grade you didn’t see the good. Were you actually asking people before you got into the dark side “Where are the things I read about in the bible, the miracles?”

Michael: Absolutely that’s exactly what I was doing every chance I got every Baptist teacher that I could get my hands on our pastor everything. I was just like where is it at it’s here this is supposed to be the perfect book there’s supposed to be no flaws in it but the only flaw I see is that you ain’t living it. (Laughing)

Sid: Now how did you actually get into Satanism?

Michael: The only way I could say it was absolutely supernatural through studying. One day real late at night I was just I was just fed up with everything you know. Atheism sounded great to me because then I didn’t have to wait on either side.

Sid: Hm.

Michael: Just threw all my books down on the ground and I felt a presence come into my room. Now being a Christian I know the difference that when the presence comes into my room and it’s good or not but then I didn’t and this presence just walked up to me. And I heard a voice say “If you give me your hand I’ll show you the power that you want.” And I you know I symbolically stuck out my hand and I felt this burden…

Sid: Stop, stop was there a twinge of maybe I shouldn’t do this or just excitement and hunger when you did that?

Michael: Excitement and hunger.

Sid: Okay so you stuck out your hand then what happened?

Michael: And I felt like a not a lightning bolt I don’t know what it was like I got real dizzy and almost nauseous at first and then the presence was gone the dizziness was gone but there’s like a swell of power inside of me. And it was like for once I was seeing things like I believe now that demons see things. I was seeing the souls of people laid bare when I looked at them.

Sid: What do you mean by that?

Michael: I was seeing the inside of people like I was seeing…

Sid: Your’e seeing their secret sins.

Michael: There secret sins their secret thoughts I mean I was literally able to look inside and see what was really in there. And you know my thought at the time was “This is what I’ve been looking for my whole life.”

Sid: Out of curiosity when you would look into someone could you tell if they were a Christian or not?

Michael: Yeah I mean I knew the difference when I looked at somebody but you know with a Christian you know still, but I see into people but I see the power of God and I see the prophetic gift that I see into people. But then I would see their sins and whatever was going on in their life; now I just see if it’s a Christian I see lights almost a candle light depending on how bright they are.

Sid: Tell me about as you got into Satanism I’ve heard that they have covens what are they?

Michael: Covens are a group of witches or Satanists or whatever you know brand they want to label themselves they get together for the purpose of they had orgies, they cast spells on to certain… it’s much like a church service.

Sid: Now how much control did you have over a coven?

Michael: I was a leader in my home town of about 10 covens.

Sid: I read stories I don’t know if there true or not about sacrificing children is that true does that go on?

Michael: That goes on but in my covens it didn’t I’ve never sacrificed a small child or an animal. And the reason is most people that get into witchcraft when they get into that darker area the devil requires more of them you know if you want this much power you’re going to have to do this. With me I believe that that presence was… I don’t know if it was Satan himself but it was a higher up in this hierarchy it was a principality so I didn’t have to sacrifice an animal to get power or a person because I’d already given myself completely over to this demonic power.

Sid: Now you were actually teaching a Bible study while you were a Satanist?

Michael: Yes.

Sid: What was your objective?

Michael: My objective was to point out flaws.

Sid: To undermine people’s faith.

Michael: Right.

Sid: And were you successful at that?

Michael: Yeah I was very successful at that people were like “Well you know Michael you have a good point I mean if we’re supposed to be these good solid Christians and believe everything the Bible says and walk like Jesus walks then why can’t we have that power?” Then I would you know take the 2 or 3 at a time that had questions and I’d pull them aside and I would give them a demonstration of power.

Sid: And then would you get them into your group?

Michael: Sometimes sometimes they got freaked out and ran away but about 1 of 10 would stick around and we’d have that one.

Sid: What about these people that are on television that do almost séances where they communicate with supposedly a dead relative of people and talk to them and tell them things about themselves. Could you do that at that point?

Michael: Ah yeah I could but I strayed away from necromancy which is talking to the dead people.

Sid: Tell me what is really going on in this necromancing?

Michael: Okay.

Sid: Someone is sitting in a séance and supposedly their mother or their father has died is now talking to them through this channeler and they’re saying things that only that person knew how does that work?

Michael: Familiar spirits. The dead mother or the dead father or whatever relative it was had a demon. The channeler listens to the demon who knows the details of these people’s lives. The channeler then you know regurgitates the information to the other family members that’s alive. Now of course the information is correct because this person’s demon that’s talking to the channeler.

Sid: So what would you say to someone that says “I believe in reincarnation I’ll just keep coming back until I get better and better.” What would you tell them?

Michael: I’d tell them that there’s only your only have one chance at life and you know and I was very blessed by God in the outset because I didn’t die. But I would say to that person that “They need to step away and reevaluate their life because the only thing that they’re going to find is that all of these things that they believe is are demonic.”

Sid: But what about someone that says “Well I believe what you’re saying is true but I believe that there are many paths to God.” What would you say to them?

Michael: I would say that it’s a long journey to get to where I got and I’m just going to save them the time and say that “There’s only one path the Bible says that ‘There’s a path that seems right to man but the end is death.’” The Bible says that very clearly one God, one path, one door, one key.

Sid: Let me ask you something that is very popular today in gyms, it’s not a spiritual thing it’s an exercise thing it’s relaxing it’s good for blood pressure, it’s good to meditate it’s called Yoga. They don’t go into the spiritual side they just do the exercises. Is there anything wrong with a Christian doing that?

Michael: I would strongly advise against it the word Yoga literally means spirit binding. When you do those weird exercises you are literally aligning yourself with a spirit that binds to you and that connects to you.

Sid: Michael being as deep as you were into these things what was the first thing that gave you… moved you into the direction of becoming a believer in Jesus?

Michael: The first thing… I don’t know I mean to be real honest I thought about this there’s not like a event. I was in LA I was living on the streets doing what I’ve always done in witchcraft and…

Sid: Wait a second if you got all of this power what are you doing living on the streets?

Michael: Because I was a demonic missionary I traveled from hot spot to hot spot looking for teenagers.

Sid: Okay, and you went 7 years ago you went to a place that I’d heard of in Los Angeles called the Dream Center why did you go there?

Michael: Well for one they had something that I didn’t have at the time food. (Laughing)

Sid: Come on now you alright called yourself a missionary on the streets for Satan, doesn’t Satan take care of his missionaries?

Michael: Yeah I mean there.

Sid: But whoa whoa whoa whoa you were going there for food?

Michael: Yeah I was going there.

Sid: Well Michael you can’t have it both ways it wasn’t so good was it to have to go there for food?

Michael: No it wasn’t my most pleasant act.

Sid: (Laughing) Okay so you went there for food what happened?

Michael: I decided to stay because I saw some potential victims. You know at this discipleship home and I was thinking that if I stayed around long enough then I can… I can win these people over and they can come with me. And one day the leader of the house said that “If you stay here you got to throw away your Tarot Cards.” I had Tarot cards at the times that I didn’t leave them. I slept with them I…

Sid: What’s wrong with Ouija boards and Tarot cards?

Michael: Ouija boards are they’re just amplified antennas they pickup on spirits. And when you know there’s a reason why they look like arrows. The pointer on a Ouija board looks like an arrow because it is it is, it points spirits in different directions. And when a spirit answers a Ouija board he’s also like him knocking at the door.

Sid: So can he come into the person using the Ouija board?

Michael: He can come into person, it can come into the room and it can come into the house it all depends.

Sid: My goodness sounds like every Ouija board in America ought to be burned we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah his name is Dave Roberson I’m speaking to him at his headquarters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. We found out Monday that he went to a trip to Brazil and there were so many miracles that broke out. But the thing that intrigued me the most Dave is you moved into a new level for yourself of compassion explain that.

Dave: Sid it began… oh goodness, it began with what I thought was just a revelation of private worship. And he in no uncertain terms I thought I had all I need to know about worship. One day the power of God swept over me in the auditorium and I landed on my back and I didn’t know if I was going up or I didn’t know where I was going. The next thing I know I hear His voice saying “You don’t know anything about worship really.” And before it was over I knew that I was to spend a certain amount of time worshipping every day and I did.

Sid: Now when you worship just out of curiosity do you put a CD on and worship with it do you not how do you do it?

Dave: Sid I was instructed to break in just me, myself and I you know like spirit, soul and body and Him. So I went into my sound room, and I think one of the reasons that you can’t always have a conducive atmosphere you know you could be changed through your testimony sake between people that are unhappy you know. So I went in and closed the door where I make radio tapes and just laid there and out of the inner sanctuary of my own priesthood in other words my words began to get simpler and simpler as I emptied myself out into every statement of adoration. If my mind would wonder off down the street solving a problem from yesterday, I’d say “You’re in the presence of the King you’re the only guest he wants pay attention.” So I’d bring it back Sid I’d make it come back. And I’d pour all of myself into it and He began to come and stay longer with me and longer until a new anointing was born. Then I found out since then that He wanted to teach me of the revelation of the Father. Now a lot of preachers were burning out after 30 years ministering and I was running into them after I come to Tulsa and a lot of people were wanting to get… raise money for burnout preachers recovery places. And just lately He said to me “Son they wouldn’t burn out if they’d made the transition from God; see the God their Father.” I didn’t know who He really wanted who He really wanted me to know and so I thought it was just private worship but it transition began to take place. So in the last seeking time a couple of years ago when I locked myself up near the end of it I was mostly worshipping and that’s when he reached down and touched me with His finger. Touched my spirit and baptized me in some kind of love that I got to see you Sid and the other members of the body through His eyes and through His love just for a moment and it reduced me to 9 hours of crying. Since then the miracles have come to levels that have been just unprecedented. Praying in tongues Sid the revelation gift delivered me to the worship limb; in other words when it was time to add this dimension of power to my call in life and ministry just like anybody else that prays in tongues or has been introduced to it. The Holy Spirit made sure I couldn’t get pass the worship limb without adding that whole dimension to my life. And when He did private worship can’t give you what praying in tongues does because it’s not a revelation gift. But praying in tongues can’t give you what private worship can. Or fasting can’t give you what worship or praying in tongues can, but neither can they give you what fasting can. But the one thing praying in tongues will always do it will always deliver you to the key or the limb that can give you what the praying in the Spirit can’t because it delivers you to what can. So this compassion was unprecedented in my life. I wept until the tear ducts was dry. Just in Hawaii when I was in a convention with Norvel Hayes. My son Bill picked a man up in a wheelchair his kidneys had shut down and is totally blind with white growths over his eyes. My son picked him up and carried him down the flight of stairs to set him in the meeting. When I got to him it was just last month and when I got to him Sid or a month before last I jerked his glasses off and looked into his eyes and they were white. He scared me for here comes His love again reduced me to that love He has. And I laid hands on him and what was funny was the young man running the soundboard was a friend of Bill’s and he had to step out and didn’t know that I was about to pray for the man. And later that night he told Bill we better wheel the man out and load him back in his car. And Bill said “What for he just walked out…” (Crying).

Sid: But Dave.

Dave: Yes?

Sid: I believe that there are people listening to us right now that have and unless they have a miracle they’re going to die; unless they have a miracle there’s nothing medical science is going to be able to do for them. And I believe that if you begin to pray in the Spirit and worship God just for a moment that the compassion will be released right through the radio and right through this cassette right now.

Dave: He will Sid; He’s here you’re right I can’t hardly contain myself. (Praying in the Spirit & crying). This is what He said in the Spirit Sid He said that “He’s guiding my prayer.” I mean this is what the interpretation of the tongues is. He said “I’m ceasing a hold to this to guide your prayer and My presence will be in your prayer therefore be ready for many of you who are listening whenever you hear this tape whenever and that very emphasis in the future at any time that it’s ever replayed this is very vivid that this anointing will come back. And it’s here now if you have pain in your body disease blind, it doesn’t matter. One man who was 40 years in his bed, they slipped a prayer cloth in his bed under his mattress and 3 days later he was buying $700 carpet equipment from Wal-Mart. And I’m not interpreting now but it’s got that strong. So right now right now set your heart in agreement with me just begin to thank Jesus just begin to thank Him. Father right now I feel your compassion pouring to everybody that hears this will receive from it. I speak to every pain causing disease, every terminal disease, every crippling disease, every blinding disease, every problem Father of sickness, pain of any form of any kind; I thank You for your love and compassion and Jesus You for preparing such a final place in the Father with You blood and Your grace; such a final place that we’re able to lead these people in that place that is so done that by the time we’re finished praying here that the miracles will already have begun as You leading this prayer Heavenly Father I speak Your miracle working power and your healing power upon every person listening and praying and worshipping and receiving in Your Name Jesus I send these miracles forth and command them, command them to flow like the rivers of Your living water. Receive Your miracle in emphasis I say “Be healed in the name of Jesus receive from the pools of His live that do not run dry in Jesus Name.” And Father I thank You for this.

Sid: Dave there’s such a presence a sweet presence of God going through the airwaves right now. Someone’s back was just recreated; I mean that’s something no doctor could have done. I heard this so clearly but it’s not just backs it’s anything you need Jesus paid the price for.

Dave: Hallelujah Jesus He’s your right Sid He’s so strong He’s still moving. The man that was healed that night he saw his wife’s face for the first time. He saw the ceiling fan, he loaded his wife in the wheelchair and wheeled him down the street to his rebellious son that lived a few houses down and Sid when he saw his Poppa out there with his Momma pushing her and seeing her…

Sid: You know Dave we’re out of time right now but this all began with Dave with the revelation God gave him on praying in tongues; I want that to be burned into you by the Spirit of God.

Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah to see our God who says “All things are possible to him who believes.” We’re getting ready to see our God perform the greatest miracles in our life, in your life in Pastor Gary Whetstone’s life. I have Pastor Gary on the telephone he is the Senior Pastor of Victory Christian Fellowship in Wilmington Delaware. Just written a brand new book called “Make Fear Bow” and I am convinced that this is one of the methods that the devil has been using for years to stop your marriage from working, to stop your finances from working, to stop your healing from working. And even more important than that stopping the intimacy with God for from out of that intimacy comes the revelation of your destiny. And even fear is stopping that revelation that deep love that God wants to pour into you right now. Now Gary Whetstone you have had more than your share of opportunities to fail with the spirit of fear but I would have to think oh my goodness just as I’m speaking right now someone is being healed. There’s someone whose neck the pain is totally gone and I’m telling you something else there’s someone with a hip problem that if you’ll just get out of your car or start walking you’ll see that pain is totally gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t have a new bone there but Gary there are people that are struggling with marital problems I don’t know of anyone in a worse situation than yours. You were brand new believer you knew nothing about God, you’re married to a wonderful woman she can’t stand you because you’re not renewed; she’s not renewed so she doesn’t think there’s any way the marriage could work. She divorces you but you actually asked her out on a date the day that she divorced you?

Gary: That’s right. You know Sid there was a decree that every man and woman hate to see and that is the decree you are divorced. That you’ve come to the complete and total impasse that there’s no way to reconcile that marriage and one of the greatest things that I had to face in my life early in my Christian walk in 1975 was the fact that I failed as a husband I failed as a father, I failed as a man, I failed as a believer, I failed in every dimension you could image. And there was such a gripping fear that once that once that once that decree of divorce was done there was no way I could ever possibly reconcile my relationship with my ex-wife until I knew something that God had said and it was this lst Corinthians chapter 7 it says “That which God has joined together.” And then it gives an authority of letting her remarry or return to her husband. I’ll tell you what happened to me Sid the Spirit of God gave me an answer of “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” And when I came to the divorce court settlement where I gave her everything she asked for; I gave her everything she wanted but I asked if I could just say one word please in the court and I had my hand he wanted you to put your hand on the Bible if you say anything. And I said “No, I’d like to open it and read it.” He said “We don’t read it we put our hand on it.” I said “Please Sir I just want to read one sentence.” He goes “Go ahead.” In 1^st Corinthians chapter 7 verse 11 it says “But if she depart let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband and let not the husband put away his wife.” And I got a grip on something that all of my failures and the fear of reliving it was nothing more than information of my past. And as I took authority in the name of Jesus and broke that fear of revisiting my history and I read this sentence and I said “Your honor I would like it to be put down in the court record that it says “Let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband so today I let her be reconciled to me.” Thank you Sir I appreciate the time and he looked at me like I was from outer-space. He looks over at my wife and he says to her “I can’t really blame you for divorcing.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Gary: So he took the little gavel put case dismissed or not dismissed but you know this is it you’re divorced next case. So I got up from my seat and she got up from her seat and on the way out I said “Hey how would you like to go out to lunch?” She said “What’s wrong with you?” I said “Hey you’re single aren’t you?” She goes “Yeah so am I, I don’t see anybody else wanting to take you out to lunch how about a date?” You know she went with me (Laughing) Sid if people can get the grip of the voices of fear that hold them paralyzed and break it they can do the extraordinary exploits of God.

Sid: Listen you got your life cleaned up you got disciple, you got delivered everything is fine you go back to marry your wife and she’s afraid to marry you.

Gary: Her fear was the same fear of what had happened in the past would happen again.

Sid: And there’s so many people listening to us right now that the devil keeps recyleling “If you get friendly with this person they will hurt you again.”

Gary: That’s right and they hear it and that’s where they retreat in fear back into they’re cocoon and created an identity that avoids human relationship. But I’ll tell you there’s an anointing right now Sid to break the bands and the yokes upon their lives. Inside of my spirit there is a tongue and interpretation that is rising up within me…

Sid: Before you give this Gary here is the deal Gary did remarry his wife and how many years have you’ve been married now?

Gary: We’ve been married now 31 years with 9 months off with bad behavior.

Sid: Let every man and demon be a liar but God’s word is true give that word now Gary.

Gary: (Gary praying in tongues) For this day sayeth the Spirit of Almighty you shall rise with an authority and with a fist of demand to break the powers of oppression that have so entangled you for this day we call forth the captives free we open the prison door by the power of this awesome grace and this day you are released from the words that have so demeaned and bound and ridiculed and the weight and the burdens of our insecurity and the grip of the inferiority has broken from you for the power of the Almighty has arised from within to perform the works of God under manifestation.

Sid: Gary there is such a presence of God and anointing. That anointing according to the Bible destroys the yoke.

Gary: Yeah.

Sid: And that’s what just happened the yokes of fear have been destroyed and I’m expecting such great and mighty exploits by everyone that has heard that prophetic word; that wasn’t just for one person.

Gary: No.

Sid: That word was for who-so-ever.

Gary: That’s right it was the Spirit of God speaking into the lives of those believers who was rising up and breaking them free from within. I’ll tell you there’s such a power right here Sid I just want to take every single person listening and everything that has stood in your way and crippled and bound you and become the torment from your mind. And Sid I want us to agree together in pray for them if we can.

Sid: Right now.

Gary: By grace I thank You Father You’ve given us the power in this radio show there is an anointing and if 2 of us on earth shall agree as touching anything we would ask of our Father it is done for us. So we speak to the recluse be loosed and come forth we command the fears of cancer and the product of it die by the name of Jesus we speak to the tumors and the growths and all of the influences of infirmity has come from the curse of generation we command it cut and loosed from their lives. And in the Name of Jesus we send the word of God now to go and restore the children back to the Fathers and the Fathers back to the children for the heart of the Spirit of God today is a word of life and liberty. Jesus we thank You for this the day of release and a day where Your freedom is known.

Sid: And Gary there is like something coming off of the brains of people that are listening you have had like a vice over your thinking process you’re going to be thinking you’re going to read the Bible and your going to start applying God’s word like you’ve never done that before. But there’s an anointing over the heads if you have tumors and migraines or anything in your head area. I tell you are healed in the Name of Yeshua.

Sid: Today there’s going to be a change a decided change in your destiny. I have on the telephone Dr. John Miller he’s a Chiropractor from Tampa, Florida but for the past 20 years he’s studied communion and the healing that’s in communion, the full understanding of the atonement of communion. And as he teaches this and as people participate in communion it radically changes their life and they do it daily sometimes more than once a day. Now John kind of just whet the appetite tell me about one miracle you’ve seen from people that take communion.

John: Okay this was a very interesting one because we had talked in these previous programs about taking communion daily and saw how the New Testament church did it daily. Jesus said “As oft as you take this.” He didn’t prescribe a time; I had a case that was sent to me her father is a great international evangelist and the girl was dying of Epstein Bar which is a virus that’s half way into Mononucleosis and Aides. It’s a condition that you never get rid of and when your rundown physically or mentally it crops up and usually puts the person down for a couple of days to a couple of weeks in bed. Now this was the worst case that I’d ever heard of because 39% of her heart and liver had been destroyed with the virus. Her dad called me and asked me if there was anything that I could do? And I said “Yeah there are some things in my practice that I could use but is she a Christian?” And he laughed and he said “She’s a Children’s Evangelist in a children’s diagnostic hospital.” And I said “Well, there’s a way that she can be healed without any treatment from me through communion.” And he said “Well I’ve been a preacher for like 60 years and I’ve never heard of that.” He said “Do you mind if I come down her?” So I went out and bought some wine and unleavened bread. When they came to the office we just went out to eat and I explained to her communion. Now she went took it 3 times a day because she said “Well, I’ve been taking the medicine for this condition 3 times a day.” So she listened to a cassette tape of me teaching communion and she took communion 3 times a day. The second week her father called me and said that “The doctors in that hospital where she worked were coming down to her office saying ‘What did that doctor in Florida do because you’re tests are coming back normal and this is an incurable disease?’” So working with this patient I learned that communion wasn’t just once a day if you wanted it more than that she felt that she needed that coming in her mind and her spirit 3 times a day, and she got fabulous results. I remember…

Sid: What’s the bottom line what happened to her?

John: She was healed from that condition.

Sid: John Mishpochah we’re going to take communion together John would you lead in that right now.

John: If you take the bread I want you to remember Paul’s words “Not discerning the Lord’s body for this cause many of you are weak, some sickly among you and some sleep.” As you hold that bread for the first time maybe in your life I want you to connect with that represents the Body of Christ that was made to be sick with your sicknesses. Father in the name of Jesus we thank You for so much for the knowledge of the atonement of what You provided through the body and the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. We thank You now that we have the element we hold in our hand that represents the body of Jesus Christ. I ask that you sanctify this bread as the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ that took our sins, took our cares our worries our sicknesses, our diseases in His body at Calvary. Father as we walk into the tomb where Jesus is lying all wrapped would look somewhat like a mummy we look at His dead body there’s no active sin in it, sin is not encamped in a dead body Jesus has taken our sins and done away with it paid the price. There’s no anxiety in that body, there’s no fear, no nervousness in a dead body, all of our anxieties our fears, our worries, our cares were casted on Him. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him and it no longer exists. He was made to be sick without sicknesses but in a dead body there is no sickness it has been totally done away with. So as we partake of this body of the Lord Jesus Christ that we’re holding we receive total healing in every organ, in every cell and every function in our body. We give you the praise and the honor for it in Jesus Name.

Sid: And Jesus prayed the prayer this way “Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu Melech halolam hamotzi lechhem meen haretz. Amen.” You may partake. Oh there’s such a presence of God that’s moving on people right now John let’s take the wine.

John: I want you hold the wine up to the Lord Father we thank You so much that You loved us so much that you were willing to give Your son for our total salvation. Lord Jesus we thank You that You were willing to come to earth striped of our Deity take the persecution, our sin, our shame, every evil thing in us You took and You shed Your blood to make us righteous. And right now Father we asked that you sanctify the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ as the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. The blood that sealed every part of the atonement, the spiritual, the mental and the physical; Lord let us realize right now that the blood that we hold in our hand is the most powerful substance in the Universe. It’s more powerful than all of the nuclear and all of the atomic bomb that’s ever gone off because all that can do is destroy life. In the blood that we hold in our hand right now is the only thing that created life eternally. And right now we take the blood of the Lord Jesus in and we give You Heavenly Father and You Lord Jesus all of the glory and honor do You in Jesus Name.

Sid: And Yeshua prayed this Hebrew prayer He actually prayed this at the last Passover Seder. “Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu Melech halolam bo-ray puree hagafin. Amen.” You may partake. John when you partake of communion once, twice, maybe even three times a day, after you have finished what do you normally do?

John: That’s the time that I like to do spiritual warfare. There’s no place that demonic sources that where the blood of Jesus is being sprinkled. I think that’s the appropriate time to do what Paul says in Ephesians 6 “We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and against principalities of this world and the wicked spirits in heavenly places.” I like to speak to the devil with the blood of Jesus on my breath.

Sid: Ah I love that!

John: I was a bouncer for 2 nightclubs in St. Louis called “Gas Light Square Section” when I was going to college. And it was your job to put the people out that was causing problem without hurting them so that there was no liability. And those big guys with liquor on their breath with hit you in the chest and knock you back. And their breath was very intimidating, so I just can imagine how intimidating it is to the devil to have the blood of Jesus on your breath when you bind him and command him to desist in any activity against you and your family. I think spiritual warfare and communion are the perfect team.

Sid: With all of the fear Mishpochah that’s going on in society today I don’t know of a better time than for the true revelation of communion to get deep into your spirit…

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Lisa Bevere, is married to bestselling author, John Bevere. You probably read the book, “The Bait of Satan.” Well Lisa, on the first date with John, he prays for her and she gets free from a disease that is even mystifying doctors today, instantly. What caused this stay at home soccer mom to be a world-class speaker and author, just like her husband, to travel the nations rescuing women sold into sex traffic? She says it’s time for you to rise. It’s going to have the same effect on you. No more couch potato. Lisa, tell me about that first date with John.

LISA: Well he shouldn’t have been asking me out, but he did. He invited me to a Bible study picnic, and I was just thinking free food. I had no idea I was about ready to be ambushed by the spirit of God. So I go to this date. They’re all singing songs. You need to think about this. This is back in 1981, when the songs were bad. And so they were singing with one guitar and one person had their hand up in the air. I’m a college student. I’m thinking, why do you have your hand up? Do you have a question? You have a song sheet. Just look at your song sheet. I was getting nervous. And I began to look down at the song sheet, and I read this one line in the song, Sid, that says, “When God looks at me, He doesn’t see me, He sees Jesus.” And I heard the Holy Spirit speak in that moment, “I can’t look at you. You need a covering.” And I turned to John and I said, “Is this true that God could ever look at me and not see me?” And he said, yes. John didn’t understand what that meant to me. John was a good Catholic boy who became saved. I was a bad person who desperately needed a savior. So we were walking around the campus and he began to unpack the Bible from Genesis to the Book of Revelation. I began to panic because I heard there was thing called a Rapture. I was worried he was going to disappear and I would never be able to get saved. And so I finally just interrupted him. I said, “I want to do this thing, this Christian thing. Whatever it is, I want to do it right now.” And he said, “Well okay, but I’m not done preaching.” And he put the fear of God in me, and I’m just like shaking. And so finally I was like compelled. I was like, we need to do this right now. And so I got born again, spirit-filled and healed on our first date. Because John said to me, “Now you’re saved.” And I said, “What does that mean? What do you mean saved?” He said, “It means your whole again, spirit, soul and body.” And I had not been whole, Sid, for a very long time. And when I heard about wholeness, I said, “So I can have cheese now?” He’s like, “What are you talking about?” I said, “You said ‘whole’.” I said, “I can’t have dairy products. I have lactose intolerance, I have IBS. I live in constant pain.” And he was like, okay God. He just grabbed my hand. He was 22, I was 21. We’re not in a church service, we’re on a college part bench, and he said, “Jesus, if you can save her, you can heal her.” And so I got born again, spirit filled and healed on the first day, and I thought, I might as well marry that guy.

SID: Now, that’s an ingenious way of proposing. But what do you feel when that was happening?

LISA: You know, nobody could tell me I wasn’t healed. You know what happened for me? I felt the warmth of love come into my very being and untie all the knots that had been there since I was 15. I just remember feeling a warmth and a presence of God, and I was just overwhelmed by his goodness, and that was it for me. I went back to my college dorm room, and I said, “Jesus, I need you to wait in the hall just a moment. I have some things I need to get out of this room.” And I went in, and I got out all the beer, I got out all the pornography, and I just threw it away, and I said, just come on in. And I spent all night looking through the Book of Paul, because John had said, Paul said this and Paul said that. And so I thought there was a Book of Paul. And I was, I don’t know, this is seriously what he had to work with. I had The Way Bible. I stood it on its head and I was like, help me open to the Book of Paul, and it opened up to Corinthians, “If any man be in Christ, behold, he is a new creation.” And I was like, God is talking to me! It was profound. It was amazing and I’m so thankful that my life changed.

SID: So she obviously marries John and has a family. She’s a stay at home mom.

LISA: I wanted to be in the background.

SID: Wants to, never saw a microphone she liked, wanted to be in the background as she just said. But one day she had the most vivid, the most profound vision of her life. Tell me about it.

LISA: So I went to bed one night, a large exhausted pregnant woman, and I found myself wide awake standing in front of a lioness. She was laying on her side on top of a platform of stone and on the front of the platform was the word “Numbers” and the Roman numerals XXIII. Sid, this lioness, she never moved, but I realized that she was actually more alive than me. I don’t know if anybody has, everybody is going to Heaven, but in Heaven, everything is prototype, and here it’s just shadow. It looked like her fir was combed gold. And I looked at this lioness and I felt like something inside of me was expanding. And when I felt like I actually couldn’t take anything more in, I heard a voice behind me say, “With the birth of this son, you will awaken a lioness.” And I began to shake, and I came fully awake, and it was morning time, and I was laying in my bed immersed in the presence of God thinking, what just happened? What just happened? Sid, I don’t wake fully. I take two to three hours to awake. But that particular morning, it was high alert. And when I felt like I could actually stretch my hand out, grab my NIV Bible, I opened it up to Numbers 23.

SID: Which was the Roman numeral you saw.

LISA: Roman numerals, yes. And this is what I read in verse 24: “These people rise up like a lioness. They rouse themselves like a lion that does not rest until devours its prey and drinks the blood of its victims.” I’m like, what in the world does it have to do with me? These are fierce words on fragile Bible pages. But see, the truth is, Sid, my husband had been pressing me. He had said, “It’s not right for you to be comfortable when other people are uncomfortable. It’s not right for you to be silent when so many girls in our youth group need you to be a mother to them.” And I would say, “Don’t you dare talk to me like I’m the congregation. I am your wife. You need to feel sorry for me. I have limits on my life.” And at that moment, God said, “No, actually I created you to be fearless. I created you to be free and if you can’t look around to find that, I’m going to give you a vision larger than anything you’ve seen for a fierce awakening.” And I did give birth to my fourth son, and I named him Arden Christopher, which means “fiery, determined anointed one”. And with his birth, my world began to open up. I began to try to reach—

SID: Hold that thought. The change that occurred in Lisa is wonderful. But I tell you that God wants that same change in your life. When we come back, I want to find out how Lisa’s life has changed and how it’s going to impact yours. Don’t go away.

SID: Now Brian Simmons was telling me at dinner last night about some revelations he got in translating the Bible about women. Tell me one.

BRIAN: Well there is a well-worn verse in the Bibles of many men that have used this verse and have hurt people because of possibly a mistranslation, and it’s Ephesians 5:22, “Wives submit yourselves unto your husband as unto the Lord.”

SID: That’s powerful.

BRIAN: That’s a pretty daunting command. But the Aramaic language, again, Jesus spoke in Aramaic. He taught it in Aramaic. The apostles taught in Aramaic as well. The Aramaic text is, “Wives be tenderly devoted to your husband as the church is tenderly devoted to Christ.”

SID: Big difference. Okay. How in the world did you get into the library room of Heaven? I want to go there.

BRIAN: Well you know, as believers in Christ, there’s only one entrance into the realm of the spirit, and that is the name of Yeshua, the name of Jesus Christ. We don’t work it up. We don’t get into an ecstatic state on our own. I was actually asleep and I was taken out of my body, and I was brought into this immense library room. I loved being there. And the Lord came up to me and he said, “Brian, I have brought you here to let you take any two books you want.” And I’m just walking around. But it didn’t take long before I saw a book that I knew I was to have and then soon I saw another book I knew I was to have. But you’ll never want me back on the show when I tell you what happened then.

SID: What?

BRIAN: Well I have to tell you the truth. I saw a third book and I knew the Lord told me I could only take two. And in Heaven, whatever you think is put out over the loud speaker, everyone hears it. Your thoughts are broadcasted. So here’s what I hear coming out of the loud speaker, and it’s my own thoughts, how can I steal this book. And then I said, oh, no, I’m shoplifting on God. I felt so ashamed. But I knew if I could take this book, there was this book, so, if I could just take this book back with me to the natural realm it would trigger awakening in all the nations of the earth. It would bring, it would make the name of Jesus famous in the world. But Jesus came to me and said, “Brian, I cannot let you take this book.” And he looked at me in the eyes with love that melted me and he said, “You are not ready for that book.” Then he promised that, “I will bring you back one day and I will give you that book.”

SID: What was the title?

BRIAN: Written on the cover of the book was John 22.

SID: But there’s only 21 chapters in John. What’s this 22?

BRIAN: Well John 22, go back to John 14:12 and you’ll see that there is a greater works generation. “The works that I do you will do even greater works than these.” I believe the John 22 generation will be a people that do the greater works of Jesus. They will not add to the scripture, and that’s a sealed book. But it is a book that is unfolding and the works of Jesus will be replicated by an entire generation of people that believe fully in the power of God.

SID: I want you to pray. We have less than a minute left.

BRIAN: I just want to pray for you and I have a prophetic word of knowledge. The Lord has shown me that there’s someone watching or perhaps even in the studio that had Crohn’s disease. If you have Crohn’s disease I’m speaking to you. This is a word for you. The healing fire of God right now is coming upon you and will heal you of that disease. Father, I pray blessing upon each one watching, each one, Lord, that takes part in this program today, let the blessing of the awakening wind, let the breath, the rock of God, the awakening grace come upon every one watching today and make us the day breakers that will change this planet, in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: I feel it now. How about you?