Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dr. James Maloney Professor for Christ for the Nations in Dallas, Texas. I’m speaking to him at his home and he has a tremendous miracle ministry. I hope you were listening yesterday because some of these miracles like a pacemaker dissolving, having a word of knowledge knowing what’s wrong with a person. What about the person in California the woman whose teeth were rotten?

James: Well this was quite a few years ago Sid there was an usual manifestation of God’s presence in Palm Springs, California. And this lady was just scheduled to have virtually have her teeth just taken out and going to false teeth and she just came up and she said “I’ve got faith brother Jim you know that if you’ll pray for me the Lord will fill my teeth.” And it’s kind of humorous because she said I believe that it’s scriptural.” And I said “What do you mean?” She said “The Bible says open up your mouth wide and I’ll fill it.” (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

James: I don’t know how scriptural that is she’s probably taking it a little bit out of context.

Sid: Yes but if she believes it I believe that triggered her faith.

James: Yes and so I kind of laughed and said “Sister go for it.” And so overnight the Lord really truly did recreate her teeth and it was just wonderful.

Sid: Did a dentist every look at this woman?

James: Yeah she went back to her dentist her dentist there in Palm Springs area and he came out angry she told me. He came out angry and he said “You know who’s been working on your teeth; and said I’ve never used this type of material I don’t know of anyone that has this type of material.” It’s kind of humorous because you wanted to scrape some of it off and analyze it.” You know but it’s a great sign and wonder a wonderful sign and wonder.

Sid: How about the boy who was told he would never grow taller than a 6 year old.

James: Where do you get these Sid?

Sid: Oh I’m not going to reveal my trade secrets (Laughing).

James: This was in San Saba, California… San Saba, Texas excuse me in a very presidios Pentecostal church and it was again quite dramatic because this little boy Sid was stunted at birth and the Methodist brethren was kind of great because the Methodist Brethren were praying and believing asking that the service Thursday night would be the healing service that when we would pray for the little boy the little boy would grow to be normal. And so here was about a 3 year old boy that looked about 8 months a little under a year. I mean his growth was stunted and the parents said that he would not be normal. And because of his frailness and littleness there was a lot of infirmities in his body. And so I prayed and it was like you could almost hear an explosion Sid I’m not exaggerating. Everybody broke out cheering and laughing and some fell under the power and this and that and we just had a great time. But you know in the natural you didn’t see anything but about 5 months later the lady this precious lady, Mary’s her name as well Mary Brown. And she called me and she said “Brother Maloney it was really humorous she said “I’ve been trying to get in touch with you you’re a hard person to get in touch with,” because I was traveling at that time. She said “Do you remember that little boy that you prayed for 5 months ago.” And I said “Yeah” she said “The parents wanted me to ask you how do you turn it off?” “What do you mean turn it off?” She said “They buy him a pair of pants and he grows out of them in 3 days; buy him a shirt he grows out it 2 or 3 days he’s gone through 6, 7, 8 sizes changes of shoe sizes. He’s head and shoulders taller than all of the kids in his class and she repeated it “How do you turn it off?” And we just saw Mary in Brownwood, Texas Sid a few years ago and of course she’s very elderly now and she came up and she “Do you remember the little boy?” She laughs and she says “Well he was playing football as a team down here and he’s 6’ 4” and he weighs about 240 pounds.

Sid: And do you have any idea what the doctor say that said “He’d never be taller than a 6 year old?”

James: You know I don’t know doctors are unique people they really are I got great respect for them Sid, but sometimes you know people can have a tremendous miracle go to their doctor some are very open to them hey I’ll agree with that and some are just I don’t know.

Sid: Now when you were preaching outside of the West Bank there were a lot of militant people there and they literally were growling at you was that true?

James: Yes Sid I had some gentleman come into the meeting.

Sid: I’ve never had anyone growl at me.

James: You know I get all kinds of reactions around the world you know especially when you’re in deliverance of the Lord. You know the demons they don’t like what you teach and preach many times and so I was preaching and they were growling I mean they were trying to intimidate me and these were militant people, Islamic people and actually they were putting fear in me.

Sid: And actually it really was a life threatening situation.

James: It could have been it really could have been.

Sid: So were you fearful?

James: I felt this fear this spirit of fear rise up and hit me and so I stopped and I said “God what do I do in this?” And the Lord spoke to me and said “Well roar back because I’m the only true Lion of a tribe of Judah.” And so…

Sid: I love that, I love it.

James: And the Lord gave me a scripture in Ezekiel chapter 3 it says somewhere around 15 and through 26 “That when they stiffen their neck against you or set their forehead as a flint stone you stiffen your neck back.” So that’s what I did I just kind of got in their face and I just growled and I also said “I’m not going to be intimidated.”

Sid: Well did anyone ever tell you Jim that you have chutzpah, that’s a Hebrew word that means nerve?

James: Well.

Sid: I mean you’re growling back at these militants!

James: It made me angry Sid I just got angry you know I guess a holy indignation rose up because there were a lot of people there that were…

Sid: How did they react?

James: Well they just shocked look I mean a lot of them were Muslims you know they’d never you know heard the simple plan of salvation.

Sid: They’d never heard someone growl at them.

James: Oh it was kind of interesting because afterwards when I gave an alter call those 3 men came forward and gave their lives to Jesus. And a lot of the people that came that were Muslim gave their lives to Jesus and this is what they said to me they said “We know your God is real and that He’s real to you because of your boldness and your assurance and your confidence you know that you weren’t going to be intimidated at all.” And I thought my “God you know.”

Sid: Have you ever had your life supernaturally protected because I know that you minister in a lot of regions in the world with relatives.

James: Yeah, I was in a militant area of India where I was not permitted to preach and I had I called up 15 blind people. The Lord spoke to me and said “I’m going to heal them every one of them.” And so there was approximately 15 people, but I noticed that the 16^th and the 17^th person were also in the line. So I’m going down the line and I’m praying for them Sid and there wonderfully healed. I mean every blind person was getting healed perfectly made whole. And I’m feeling kind of proud I’m thinking well it’s because I fasted a lot you know I prayed you know and this extra fasting and prayers released this great authority.” But what I didn’t know was God was protecting my life because if the 15^th and the 17^th person were 2 Hindu priests. They told one another “That if one person’s not healed that shows us that his God is one that shows respect of persons and we’re going to knife him.” And they had these knives underneath their garments. Well by the time the 15^th person was healed they shook and the knives dropped to the ground. And one of the priests ran off scared screaming, but the other one bowed he gave his life to Jesus. So the Lord really protected me in that situation you know.

Sid: You know Mishpochah one of the most important things that I’ve learned is for your faith to be supernaturally through the word activated before a man or woman that moves in the gifts of miracles lays hands on you it makes all of the difference in the world. And that’s why I’ve listed to 3 audio cassette series by his wife Joy Maloney. She really has a supernatural gift of teaching and I can tell you personally my faith by listening to this was supernaturally activated. Then right after you hear these 3 just brilliant teaching by Joy Maloney, Jim prays a prayer of faith for you for the miraculous. And I don’t believe that there’s any distance with God. Out of curiosity Jim if you have ever prayed for people over the radio or on television and gotten reports that they’d been healed?

James: Absolutely, yes we have gotten several reports. The times that I’ve been on TBN, Lester Sumerall programs and others. Handkerchiefs that we’re sent to us one particular lady in Washington State was paralyzed from the waist down I believe and she was raised up and there for prayer. And yeah God does it there’s no distance in the Spirit realm.

Sid: Well I have found that God has really anointed the voice because it’s spoken word and tomorrow’s broadcast I’m going to pray that you be activated in the gift of prophecy and of words of knowledge and I believe that they’ll be so many people healed…. Jim, I know it came from God, but when did the gift of prophecy I mean I saw you just one after another just prophesying. And by the way you don’t know this but I checked up behind you and I said “Does that make any sense?” And they said “Yeah.”

James: (Laughing)

Sid: So I mean where did this gift come from it came from God but when did it start?

James: It started when I was in Bible school at “Christ for the Nations.”

Sid: Did someone lay hands on you out of curiosity and then it started or?

James: No not really but though I have to say that people have been dramatically and wonderfully used to help promote the gift of prophecy and word of knowledge and word of wisdom.

Sid: See most Prophets I meet are non-prophets they prophesy out of the flesh; it’s so wonderful when it’s the real gift.

James: Well God’s good and I mean I’ve been prophesying for over 27 years and people like Dr. Chuck Flynn and Dick Mills and many of the hearers will know them. They were instrumental in helping to release me, but I was about 18 when I gave my first word of prophecy and it was very specific to the young lady. And I think once I stepped out in tha initial word it just…

Sid: Woops we’re out of time.

Sid: This week I’m speaking about the book of Esther because this week is Purim. And the megillah, or the scroll of Esther is read word for word in traditional synagogues throughout the world. What is far more important than that is this scroll of Esther I believe is the end time book to the church. If you want to understand what God’s doing in the last days you must read the book of Esther with spiritual understanding. And that’s why I wrote a book called “Time is Running Short.” The forward is by my friend Dr. Derrick Prince in which I take the book of Esther and weave teaching throughout that book to explain where we are in the last days. The job of the church in the last days and what God’s going to be doing with the Jewish people; how to communicate the gospel with Jewish people, and how to answer hard questions that Jewish who are asking; how to communicate with Christians that don’t understand God’s love for the Jew that are into something called Replacement Theology where they feel that the blessings promised to the Jewish people have been taken away from the Jews and given to the church. Let me tell you something God loves the physical Jew and His promises are without repentance in other words He doesn’t change His mind. And if you can trust God’s promises to the physical Jews you can trust God’s promises to the Esthers that are grafted in the spiritual seed of Abraham. And the truth of the matter is every time you see a Jew you can say “Praise God God honors His word I’m so excited about God and the Bible and what He’s doing and the job He has for me, and the job He has for the Jew. We’re going to join arm and arm and hand and hand and we’re going to run this race and no one’s going to stop us!” Because we’re getting ready for a great Jewish wedding! And you’re invited you have an engraved invitation.

Please don’t be like the foolish virgins in the Bible, be like the wise. You see the wise soaked in oil, the foolish frittered away their time and then when it was time for the wedding the shofar blasted and the Bridegroom was there, the wise could see where they were going they weren’t walking like blind people because their spirit man had been developed. But the foolish says “Give us some of your oil so that we can get in on that wedding.” And the truth of the matter is even though the wise had more than they needed and it was flowing out of them they couldn’t do it because each person must have their own intimacy with God. So don’t be foolish be wise.

It says in the book of Esther is that the preparation for one of virgins to go to the king consisted of this. “Six months they were supposed to soak in oil of myrrh.” And some of you have been soaking in oil of myrrh a lot more than 6 months. Because let me tell you what happens to the myrrh plant it is bitter you bite into one, it’s bitter! But if you get deep enough it’s sweet in the center and that’s true about us humans. When we can get rid of walking in this kingdom and in the flesh and walk in the word of God in the Spirit of God in the kingdom of God and be like a little child would smell like Jesus like Yeshua. As a matter of fact after that 6 months of crushing and many of us have been in a whole lot more than 6 months it’s a shame us humans are so tough, we got to soak. And so after we’ve been soaking in this oil of myrrh then we soak for 6 months in perfume; can you imagine how we smell because we’re getting ready for a great Jewish wedding.

Now speaking of a Jewish wedding and speaking of women I want to talk about a women in the book of Esther that doesn’t get a enough credit. Now she gets credit but credit was from the kingdom of the world not the Kingdom of God. Her name was Zeresh, she was Haman’s wife. There are 2 bits of wisdom that she give Haman one is right the other is wrong. Let’s talk about the wrong one. In Esther chapter 5 verse 14 Zeresh which was Haman’s wife said “I want you to build a gallows to hang Mordechai on and make this gallows so big everyone is going to see it 75’ tall.” That is a high gallows and here’s the bit of good advice she gave him after the story on gallows she said in Esther 5:13 “If Mordechai is a Jew you will not prevail.” So what happened? Of course Mordechai was a Jew so you know what it says in the Living Bible in Zachariah “He that touches Israel is the same as someone that pokes their finger in God’s eye.” So Zeresh understood this but it was a little too late; good advice, bad timing; she should have reversed the advice. She should have said “Haman you stay away from Mordechai because if you touch Mordechai God’s going to get you.” That’s what you should have said first; instead she said “Build the gallows” and she walked right into the law of sowing and reaping. In other words she wanted Mordechai to swing from the gallows instead her own husband Haman died on those gallows. Not only that her 10 sons were destroyed.

When you go against the Jew in Israel and God’s destiny and God’s plan you’re going against God. And as Zechariah says “He that touches Israel is the same as someone,” and this in the Living Bible translation “Pokes their finger in God’s eye.” Ten thousand talents of silver that’s what Haman offered the King to destroy all of the Jewish people. What price will the United States pay, will oil cause the United States to turn anti-Israel? I believe that God has the greatest future for the United States of America, but if you want a preview of the United States future watch the way President Bush handles the Jew in Israel. Pray for President Bush he is a man, I believe, that loves God. Pray that he be a man that has a heart like David a heart after God. Pray that he’d be tender to God’s Spirit.

I believe that our greatest years are ahead of us or a disaster for this country. The United States of America is in the balance of one point and one point only found in Matthew 25 verse 40. Jesus said “As you’ve done unto the least of these my brethren from the womb (the Jewish people) you’ve done unto me and the fate of nations contingent on it. It’s all summarized in the book of Esther in the last chapter the 10^th chapter, the third verse the last verse. “For Mordechai the Jew was second to the king and was great among the Jews and well received by the multitude of his brethren.” Why was he so great why did he have all of this honor from God? For 2 things, 2 things that you can do, 2 things that you must do, 2 things that I can do, 2 things that I must do. Number 1 because he was seeking the good of his people (That’s the Jewish people.) So Number 1: He was pro-Jewish people in Israel. Number 2: He was speaking peace to all of his countrymen. When you speak peace you speak the Sar-Shalom the Prince of Peace Jesus. So what are the 2 things that we must do? Number 1: Be a blessing to Israel. And Number 2: Speak about Jesus wherever you go. I mean I am so madly in love with my Messiah He’s so good to me. You know what He loves you as much as He loves me. But this is our Purim week and as a result I got to do what the scripture say. Now the scripture say that you are supposed to send presents to one another and give gifts to people that need things.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome, welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I love it! I wouldn’t want to change one iota of living in the supernatural. My guest went to a spirit-filled church, a young man, and he saw such excess, so he left and he said, “I’m going to an evangelical church where everything is biblical.” And he went to it and he saw such dryness. He saw no miracles, but even in the spirit-filled church he only saw a few miracles. So he got…have you ever heard of someone getting burned out? He got burned out. But then he prayed to God and he said, “God, there’s gotta be an answer! I need a breakthrough in my life!” And God spoke to him and he had a breakthrough. How many of you want to find the revelation for breakthrough? Someone was just healed of a neck problem. Test it; you’ll see. Larry Sparks, at age 16, became a believer in the Messiah, but something transformed his life. He went to a dynamic congregation that worshiped God, but he got something he really didn’t expect. What happened?

LARRY: I was 16 and I drove to this church, and I remember at the time, God was really inciting a hunger inside of me for Him, and I went, and at the time, you know, they were doing praise and worship music. They had drums and guitars, all this stuff going, and the music was a little bizarre. People were clapping their hands and raising their hands, and for me it was so strange, but the teaching so resonated with me. I wanted to know about God, who God was, and I would actually skip the music sometimes. I just didn’t want to have anything to do with it. And then one Saturday night, July of 1999, I went to the church. The music was going on, and I was standing there and just without any warning God showed up. He touched me. I literally felt in my chest, like, a heat, like a burning, and then in my hands an electricity, like, a sud[den]…I didn’t need faith to feel it. It was real; it was a real experience, and I thought to myself, this God who I learned about going to school…I went to a Christian school, I had a Christian upbringing, and I learned information about God, but that day God made Himself real to me, and it was a subtle encounter but it was so supernatural and I’ve actually been living out of that encounter ever since then. He showed He was real.

SID: Okay, Larry, so, you go to a nice…now, you get kind of used to the raising of the hands…

LARRY: Yeah.

SID: …and the worship, and you go to this nice spirit-filled church and you loved it, but after a while there were things that began to bother you, because you’re kind of a theologian-type and things have to be in the Word. What was bothering you?

LARRY: Well, God was turned into a formula. God, the God who I experienced as a person, the God who touched me and I felt the heat, felt the electricity, this church culture kind of turned Him into a formula where they went to the Bible and it was all about finding things in the Bible, where you could pray something and pray a promise just to get whatever you want, need or desire from God. It was amazing how much emphasis was placed, not just on getting money, but how God almost became like a vending machine, like Santa Claus, like, you gave him your list in prayer and you basically said, ‘God, give me this stuff.’

SID: I heard one person say, “Well, God is like Aladdin’s Lamp. You just rub it and you get anything you want.” I mean, what is this?

LARRY: Yeah. Well, what happened is, I left, kind of, this hyper-faith type of church and I ran in the opposite direction. I said to my…I remember me and my wife saying we don’t want to have anything to do with that kind of stuff. In fact, when we’d go to other kind of charismatic, spirit-filled churches and hear that same language, we’d run away screaming just because, it’s like, we don’t want that. So we went to other churches where there was a strong theology of the cross, of forgiveness of sin, of knowing that we’re right with God, of righteousness, and those things are necessary and I celebrate them, but what was not there was faith to see God do anything for us today. So they believed that you’d get healed, maybe. They believed you’d get a breakthrough, maybe, but ultimately if you don’t get it now it’s okay because you’ll get it when you get to heaven. So they prayed prayers like, ‘If it be Thy will. God’s will is mysterious. You never know what God’s gonna do. All you need to do is just trust Him and whatever happens will happen.’ And I just knew in my heart that just didn’t settle it for me. I knew there were certain things that the Bible said God will do, and if we stand on what He said, if we believe what He says, we can actually see those things happen, with confidence!

SID: So, he sees this one extreme; no intimacy with God, just [formulas]. He goes to the other extreme; just the rules, and he doesn’t know what to do. So what do you do when you don’t know what to do? You pray to God. That’s what you did! What happened?

LARRY: Yes. I said, “God, what does faith look like?” And the Lord had me on a journey of actually going through the Bible, going through the Gospels and looking at healing. I think the Lord really wanted to reignite a fire in my heart that I encountered when I was 16; know that He is real, and that what He said, He will do. So I went to the Bible. That’s what I did. I said, “God, what do You define faith as?” And then He took me to a story in the Gospels that changed everything for me. There was supernatural revelation and He gave me actually a definition, a picture, an actual picture of what true Bible faith looked like.

SID: When we come back, we are going to explain what God showed him about true Bible faith that will cause you to have a breakthrough of epic proportions.

Sid: Now I have in the studio Pat Holliday from Jacksonville, Florida. I tell you this is way I like to see evangelism it’s supernatural evangelism. Pat found herself in Jerusalem, Israel and this is back in 1975 at a Katherine Kuhlman service and she started talking in unknown tongues to Jewish people. She speaks no words of Hebrew, but she spoke to them and they understood exactly what she said. They responded to her, she didn’t know what they were saying, and then she felt that she was supposed to lay hands on them and they all experienced encounters with the Spirit of Living God. She found out later that she actually told them to come to the Lord in tongues and if they wanted to let her lay hands on them. She laid hands on them and there was some 25 people, is that right Pat?

Pat: Yes, all men.

Sid: Twenty-five Jewish people. That’s the way that’s my kind of evangelism. But something else happened that was very interesting. You had been a very sickly person.

Pat: Yes.

Sid: I guess being involved in the New Age that drains you really bad.

Pat: Oh it makes you really sick.

Sid: Before you had your deliverance and you became a child of God but still your body had a toll it paid a price. But you were at a Katherine Kuhlman service in Jerusalem and what happened to you?

Pat: Well I was standing out in the lobby I had given my seat up for the Jews because they require a sign. And I had seen her before.

Sid: Oh, there are a lot of Christians say “Oh God I want to miracle ministry,” they don’t know the reason. The reason they want a miracle ministry is to reach the Jew. The reason they want to reach the Jew is so the middle wall of separation comes down. There’s a dynamic Pat when a Christian, a gentile Christian and a Jew become one a body of Messiah it’s a chemistry, it’s a chemical equation. As the Book of Amos says “Then the rest of the Gentiles come in.” The devil trembles when Christian’s understand this fact. So you had given up your seat.

Pat: Yes, and 2 men came up to me and they said “We have a seat down front for you.”   So they took me by the hand and led me there. I sat and the Spirit of the Lord came upon me and He took His two fingers put them on my eyes and it put me in a real light trance. I could still hear things around me but I was like totally submitted to the Lord. So the Lord told me He said “Pat, I’m going to heal your body today and I’m going to heal your husband when you go home and I’m going to save him.” He told me… when He said that it was like a bucket of oil was poured over me. And I just moved my neck all around and I felt like that tin man in the wizard of Oz when they oiled him up. And he said “Oh I can move” and he was dancing, and that’s the way I felt. And so of course when I got back home my husband was healed. And…

Sid: And what about you?

Pat:   I was totally healed I’ve never been sick.

Sid: Instantly?

Pat:   Yeah. I haven’t been to the doctor in 27 years Sid the Lord does it for me all the time. How can I come and tell you that Jesus can heal you if I can’t believe that for me you see? Doesn’t mean I don’t get under attack because sometimes I do you know but from that moment is when the Lord started bringing the Jews to me and they would receive the baptism. But when I got back home Sid my family thought I’d had a face lift because when the Lord wiped His hands across my eyes it took every wrinkle out, every wrinkle. And then Parson Carson even thought I’d had a face lift.

Sid: It sounds a lot better than a face lift to me.

Pat: Yeah, oh yeah and I said “It’s time Lord for you to do it again.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Pat:   And I don’t think I don’t I don’t think I have a lot of wrinkles on my face anyway, but hello, hello. (Laughing)

Sid: No, no actually I’m not going to give away your age but how many years ago was that?

Pat: Thirty years ago.  

Sid: But I’ll tell you what we’ve got several females in the engineering room right now and I can tell both of them are saying “I want a Holy Ghost face lift.” (Laughing)

Pat: (Laughing) a huh.

Sid: (Laughing) Oh, now they’re getting mad at me. I’m going to get into big trouble.

Pat: Your getting worldly, but anyway when I came back home I was attending this little prayer meeting and people just started coming in and getting healed. And I’ve seen the Lord do so many miracles. Miracles to me is normal, that’s normal Christianity.

Sid: Okay, I’ve got in my notes the most wonderful story. His name if I can say it his first name is Kevin.

Pat: Right.

Sid: And he had AIDS. Now that’s a death sentence when you have AIDS. If you have HIV it may or may not develop but if you have full blown AIDS that’s a death sentence. What happened to Kevin?

Pat: Kevin was in the Intensive Care Room and Marilyn his mother the doctor told her said “Let’s just turn the machines off he’s going to die. She said “Let me pray,” she prayed. And then she called the lady over in Orange Park Ronnie Bowater. And she said “Get to Pat Holliday the Lord will heal him.” She brought him over to the church and he could hardly breathe he was right off of the intensive care. And so when I laid hands on him first Sid I cast the devil of AIDS out. And I know that a lot of people are not going to believe that but it is a spirit. Then I laid my hands on his lungs and prayed for healing. Well he went to the doctor and got clean paper, you know got healing paper. Then he went back out on the 18 wheeler truck that he’d been driving before within 6 months. Well he found a wife out on the road and married her and they produced a child called Clarissa. And Clarissa is 4 years so Kevin’s still alive so he’s…that was four years ago. And Clarissa, they brought her to the church and you know generational curses the sins of the father comes down on the children.

Sid: Oh, a lot of people are fighting what are known as familiar spirits that have been in generation after… have you noticed that if someone’s an alcoholic they have a father or a mother that was alcoholic and keep going back.

Pat: Hmm hm.

Sid: Those are those familiar spirits that passed on from generation to generation.

Pat: Well they brought Clarissa to me when she was maybe 6 weeks old and I just laid my hand on her and I commanded the spirit of AIDS to leave that child. And you know Sid that girl had manifestations just like an adult person getting deliverance. Her face twisted, her little arms stretched out, her little body was moving all around thrashing. That child coughed a few times and she’s been healed ever since. That little child is a joy to her grandmother I can tell you that.

Sid: Pat you told me about this fellow who was alcoholic he had this gigantic beer belly, he fell down and he had to be hospitalized. What happened to him?

Pat: Well I went over the intensive care, well the operation. The doctor came out and said he had burst his bladder. He said he had never seen anybody live from that. And he said “We tried to sew it up and we glued it.” So I went over every day for about a week praying for him.

Sid: Well that doesn’t sound too permanent gluing a bladder.

Pat:   Well Jesus has got a glue too. (Laughing) because he’s still alive that’s been 4 years ago or longer. And he’s still alive.

Sid: Pat when you pray for someone that needs a physical healing do you pray by faith primarily, or do you pray just for people that God tells you to pray for?

Pat: Well miracles to me is normal, healing is normal to me I just believe God can do it. Then too Sid there’s something called a gift of faith. All of us have faith to heal the sick but there is a gift of faith. That gift is God faith and I’ve prayed for people actually that I didn’t believe could be healed.

Sid: You know Pat in Mark 11:22 in most Bibles it says “Have faith in God.” But in the Greek it says “Have the faith of God.” And that’s what you’re talking about.

Pat: But you know Sid in prayer lines throughout the years people have come up to be healed and I would look at them and my mind would say “Everybody’s going to get healed but you.” I remember down in St. Augustine a man came through the prayer line and he had rheumatoid arthritis and his knees had drooped over until they were about touching the floor. And he drug himself up to me and I looked at him and that’s the thought “This is too much for God.” Well you know what happened.

Sid: What’s that?

Pat:   He got healed, his bones straightened out.

Sid: So your telling me it wasn’t your faith at all it had to be God’s faith. That’s my kind of faith, I don’t want faith in God I got that. Lots of people have faith in God, I want the faith of God.

SID: Hello. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. You know, many people have given up on understanding the Book of Revelation. Other people are just flat so fearful they don’t want to read the Book of Revelation. And then others, believe it or not, they think the Book of Revelation was finished in 70 A.D. when the temple was destroyed. Well none of those three are acceptable. I always wondered about a scripture that I read in the New Testament: “The love of most will grow cold in the last days.” The love of most will grow cold. Why? They won’t understand the season and the times that they’re in. The Book of Revelation is the key to the last days. You must understand it. My guest has invested 80,000 hours researching the scriptures and is considered a pioneer in understanding the Hebraic roots of the faith and putting the two together. You will understand the End Time book for the Bible, the Book of Revelation. Well the studio audience is so excited because we have Perry Stone here. I feel like I know Perry because I’ve watched him on television so much and I’ve bumped into him when we both had tours to Israel. But Perry, 80,000 hours studying the Bible?

PERRY: Eight to 14 hours a day and my staff is here. They’ll verify that. It’s just been my life to understand the Word. You know, especially prophetic events and the Book of Revelation is one of those books.

SID: But why is it that many churches today are not interested in hearing prophecy? Look, when I became a believer in the Messiah I couldn’t get enough prophecy, prophecy about why Jesus was the Messiah, prophecy about End Times. But it seems as though the pendulum is swinging.

PERRY: I think there’s a couple of reasons. Reason number one is people think it’s too difficult to understand. Number two, it does contain symbolism, which has to be interpreted from the scripture itself. And if you don’t know the Old Testament, some of that symbolism isn’t going to make sense in the Book of Revelation. You have to, have to—

SID: Could that be the reason that many Christians are saying, well we’re no longer under the Law, so we won’t even look at the Old Testament.

PERRY: Let me give you an example. In the Book of Genesis, Joseph has this dream of sun and stars bowing before him. In Revelation Chapter 12, there’s a woman in travail and it talks about the sun and the stars, and the moon, and it all refers back to Joseph’s dream. Joseph’s dream was about Israel and that is a picture of the Nation of Israel. So if you don’t understand Joseph’s dream, which is in the Torah, how are you going to understand what’s written in the Book of Revelation? So what the book does, I think, we’re talking about why people don’t study. And the third reason is people see it as a negative book when it’s not. Here’s what the Book of Revelation actually is. It is Jesus as our high priest in Chapter 1. But we then see him in Chapter 19 coming back to rule on Earth in a thousand years as king of kings. The Book of Revelation is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ. But yet throughout the book you see plagues and judgment. So people don’t understand what’s taking place many times. Here’s the bottom line. It is Jesus transferring from the priestly position to the kingly position. He is transferring as the high priest to the king, because he is a priest after the Order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a priest and a king, priest of the most high God, king of Jerusalem. So in this role of priesthood that the Messiah, Yeshua is in. He is now high priest of the profession of our faith, but he has to transfer to take the world over as king. The Book of Revelation explains to you the process of how he judges the world in order to legally take it back from the God of this world who is Satan, who has taken over the kingdoms and the governments of this world. And so that’s what the whole theme of the book is, the transference of Yeshua the Messiah from high priest to king. And in the process of doing that what is interesting is in the book there’s a seven-seal book. In the Roman time, Cesar Augustus’ will was sealed with seven seals. In the Roman time, a wealthy person’s will was sealed with seven seals. But what those seals were —

SID: You know what? You would never understand any of this symbolism unless you knew the Old Covenant.

PERRY: That’s right.

SID: When it says, “No longer under the law” and it states that in the New Testament, Paul says it. What does he really mean?

PERRY: Let me just say this real quick, and those in — again understanding the Book of Revelation, understanding where we’re living. The Five Books of Moses, part of that contains is what is called The Law of God. It’s not the Law of Moses, the Law of God. But there was ceremonial, sacrificial and moral law. Sacrificial law was fulfilled through Christ. That’s what the Apostle Paul is talking about. You don’t go back to the temple to offer blood offering when the final lamb was offered. There is no more sacrifice of sin. However, the ceremonial law includes the Sabbath, the new moons and the Feast. Part of those were fulfilled through Christ. Part of those are going to be fulfilled with the future during the tribulation, the coming of Christ. We call it the rapture and also the kingdom, which is the rule and the reign. That happens in the future. That’s your three qualities. The moral law of God has never changed because the moral law of God is the character of God. So in other words, when you see God says, don’t like, don’t steal, don’t commit adultery, that’s all found in what we call the New Covenant teaching. And so in other words, people have, I grew up in a full gospel church and everybody kind of dubbed it altogether and said, Christ has done away the law. The problem you have with even implying it the way it’s understood in the West or interpreted in the West, is then you have to do away with those prophecies that are there that haven’t even come to pass yet. How could it be done away with when certain things have not yet happened?

SID: Well when he says, “no longer under the law,” we’re no longer under the law of temple animal sacrifices.

PERRY: Right.

SID: That’s what he’s talking about. But actually, Jesus makes it a little more difficult than we have in the Old Covenant. But you’ll never understand it unless you, Book of Revelation will remain a mystery unless you have the key, which is in the Old Covenant.

PERRY: Right.

SID: The Old Covenant will remain a mystery unless you have the key, which is the New Covenant. And the two together are the Word of God. But there’s only one book in the entire Bible that says, “I God will bless those that hear this book.” There’s only one book in the entire Bible in which God says, “I God will curse anyone that tampers with one word of this book.” It’s the Book of Revelation. And I don’t want it to be a mystery for you any more or you may miss what’s going on in the last days. Be right back.

Sid: I’ve got a copy of David Herzog’s brand new book; it’s called “Jump Start Your Way to Healthy Living, Twenty-One Days From Natural to Supernatural Health.” Let me read a quote from someone on the back of the book. “I love the way David Herzog explains the ancient mystery about how people used to live longer.” And the quote is by me (Laughing) Sid Roth. David, let’s start there today; why is it… I mean you see how long these these people lived in the Bible. And although the life spans increasing now because of modern medicine excreta, quality life isn’t increasing, but the length of life is increasing. It’s still nowhere close to what the ancients lived.

David: Oh yeah it’s exactly true. The ancients lived I mean you look in the Bible 800 years old, a 1000 years old. Even today like even 100 years ago researchers went to different parts of the world indigenous people groups and some of them were living way longer than the western world and a lot of it was connected to their diet their lifestyle everything. It’s just like Okinawa, Japan even to this day people live longer there than other places and their lifestyle their diet stress free living has a lot to do with it.

Sid: I know you just hit a very important word stress free living. Most people they’re operating in stress and they don’t even know it. They say “I’m not stressed out.” But they are because the body doesn’t know the difference between good stress and bad stress. Stress is stress to the body. You have some suggestions to live a stress-free life in your book; tell me a few.

David: Yeah it’s multiple things; first of all of course spiritually you want to be strong with God. Spend the first part of the day with God and the word, that reduces stress big time.   Your burdens, emotional things; the Bible says “Give your burdens to the Lord,” you know not to hold them. Oh there’s exercise as well; when you go for a brisk walk or do something I notice outdoors with exercise it reduces a huge amount of stress. And also just mental like people think the worse; they have fear, they have worry. So all those put together. And then you have the electromagnetic stress you got the cell phones all those sleep right next to their bed and they have cell phones, computers, all that is emanating so much stuff. People can’t sleep at night they have insomnia which increases the stress. Our grandparents they went to bed as soon as the sun went down because they didn’t have a lot of TV, or cell phones, or electromagnetics. So actually they were more peaceful in one sense they weren’t over burdened with all the stress we have today. So I talk about ways in the book how to reduce the stress the stress mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually and when you do those it way reduces your stress and you can actually live longer.

Sid: Now why did people live so long in the Bible days? I mean 500 years, 800 years I mean this is ridiculous I mean what was different back then that we don’t have today?

David: Well Adam and Eve we know they weren’t suppose to die until they sinned. So sin leads to death and so even after they sinned they didn’t live forever. But they were living a 1000, 800 and seemed like as life increased on the earth life spans went down, down, down. So it’s connected to the blood; the blood of Jesus puts you back into communion with God and I believe can actually help you to live longer. So like your DNA when you say “Lord this is Your blood, this is your (when you take communion) this is Your body” something can happen by faith even in your DNA God can reset your DNA, your spirit man and you can live longer. So I think sin is one of them but I think also in those days they still had healthier lifestyles; they didn’t have to find a health food store everything was raw and organic to begin with. And as we get more in the modern age we live less and less healthy natural lives the way God intended so the consequences are sickness, death, and sin also has a lot to do with the human condition.

Sid: Now everyone has heard about organic food why is that important? I know it’s more expensive but why is it so important.

David: You get like way more nutrition like organic fruit or vegetable so you actually get more for your money. You get like 10 times more; I have statistics on different foods when it’s organic and not. You don’t actually get the full amount of nutrition you’re supposed to get when you buy non-organic because it has pesticide, it has sprayed, it has all kinds of toxins. And you don’t get the full amount of nutrition. So you actually get more for your money with organic because you get the full amount of nutrients you’re supposed to get in a fruit or an apple or a vegetable.

Sid: Now I know you; I know your family. You and your family are all the picture of health and so your whole family’s on this program. But tell me about one of your employees by the name of Dana.

David: Yeah she started reading my book; started putting those principals together and she first of all she lost about let’s see what was it 30 pounds in just a very short amount of time. Mentally her stress levels went down; it affected in a good way her family, her marriage, like everything began to change in her life just from that.

Sid: And you talk… and I have to tell you when someone reads your book they might say “Oh, not a lot of meat, raw foods, come on now give me a break,” but you have some compelling reasons. Why should someone want raw foods rather than cooked foods with lots of salt in it and you know. But what’s the difference really and truly between the raw and the cooked?

David: Well when it comes to vegetables most; there’s a couple of vegetables that you need to steam like broccoli or whatever. But in general the enzymes after you’re like 30 and up you don’t produce enzymes and so when you’re young you can go to Pizza Hut; eat all you want you look great. After a certain age you can’t get away with that because your body’s not producing enzymes. So the only way to get the enzymes is from the food; when you cook the vegetables it kills all the enzymes. And so it doesn’t help you eliminate the foods that you’re eating. Raw foods you eliminate immediately it goes right through you. So even if you were to east say a piece of meat and that meat takes hours and hours to digest. If you have raw food the enzymes in that raw food will help the whole thing digest a lot faster. Whatever you eat it’s got to come out if it doesn’t come out it’s still in you and it’s creating toxins and it’s creating gases and it’s creating a lot of problems. And so the bottom line is raw food that you eat get out fast enough, really fast because with the cooked food you really lose a lot of nutrients, the vitamins, all the good stuff you lose most of it when you cook it.

Sid: Now you also talk a lot about juicing. Why not just eat a bunch of apples and pears during the day why juice, that’s a lot of trouble? (Laughing)

David: Well you know if you wanted to have the maximum, maximum health, you couldn’t eat all the foods in the short time that you could in juicing. Like you know kale and cucumbers and carrots in there and you can stick apples and corellas. And to do all that and make a salad might take you a long time; you stick it in a blender and it breaks it down for you and it’s like liquid energy, liquid health. You could eat a big raw salad and fruit but takes even longer for it to digest. So I recommend a combination of both. When you first wake up in the morning; if you do raw juicing, or blender, and all of the nutrients go immediately to your cells or to your blood stream and it’s like you get this natural high first thing in the morning. So it breaks it down much faster than in your own body and stomach could do it. Again because the enzymes; it’s amazing, people that try it they get hocked on it because it’s almost like they get addicted to the feeling of the raw juicing and then the rest of the day they’re so full of energy. Even it feels you up; like sticking an avocado in there; you stick some fruits and veggies and some… a bunch of different things you couldn’t even eat all of that a lot of times in a salad but you stick it in the juice you get it all in there. And a lot of times you’re not even hungry until dinnertime. Many, many times it’s so good for you.

Sid: Now do you mix vegetable juice, or do you have a vegetable juice in the morning and a fruit juice in the afternoon?

David: What I do is in the morning when I get up I try to do it the first thing. The first part of the day I put them together. Because if you just do the veggies sometimes they don’t taste that great you know. If you just put a bunch of kale in there; so I put like kale from my garden, I have a garden with some food growing there. I put some kale, I’ll put some berries, sometimes I’ll actually put some coconut water in there instead of water. And I mix different things in there and you know cucumbers, goji berries; all these super-foods put a little spirulina, chlorella, and then it tastes wonderful too. The taste is great, you got the combination of both. It’s wonderful.

Sid: Do you ever put protein powder in?

David: I used to it a long time now I do it I use healthier versions of protein like hemp protein. Chlorella and spirulina actually are one of the highest proteins that you can get. But their plant based protein and they have actually as much protein than the other stuff that you can buy and it’s healthier.

Sid: Now when people follow your 21 day program what feedback do you get?

David: People like I told you like Dana and others like her say they lost 20, 30 pounds. She lost 30 pounds; people look like 10 years younger many times just after they do the 3 weeks because they combine the health with fasting. I’m sorry not fasting, with prayer with mental changes; with breaking off old patterns in their life emotionally, physically, and spiritually. And so basically the whole man gets changed. Most diets they just do just a physical diet but let’s say they still have bitterness in their heart or rejection from their father or whatever. And this 21 day you kind of hit everything at one time and you get full breakthrough.

Sid: Now our time has slipped away but I’ll tell you something; we call this “The Power and Glory Package.” Why, because the power is released in the foods the way God intended and your body. I mean “David, can you imagine the average person, their bodies all clogged up, they love God with all of their heart but come about 5:00PM they just go home and collapse.   There’s got to be a better life than that.

David: There has to be because we’re in the end times and God’s raising up an end time army but the end time army is sick physically the enemy doesn’t even have to stop them they’re already self defeating themselves and can’t answer God’s harvest. So He’s wanting people to be healthy, strong in every way so they can actually fulfill their destiny and their call.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. As a matter of fact, I can’t understand why everyone is not red hot for the Messiah. Do you know red hot is normal? Lukewarm, you get vomited out of God’s mouth according to the book of Revelation, and cold I don’t have to define that you know what cold is. So red hot is normal and if you’re not normal then you’ve turned into the right station at the right time because I’ve got a man that’s also like me; he’s red hot. You’ve heard of the organization he started Promise Keepers. His name is Coach Bill McCartney. Many of you know him because of his supernatural, and I do say supernatural coaching career. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that when he was a Coach at the University of Colorado he did okay but nothing special. His Pastor comes walking up to him and he said “He had a dream about him and that he’d be Coach of the Year and that he’d have a golden year.” Coach just for those that didn’t hear it yesterday or those that need to hear it again tell me again what the Headlines said and what the year was like in Colorado after that prophecy.

Coach: Well Pastor James Rowel told me that we’re going to have a Golden Season and that I would be the National Coach of the Year. Then we played our first game on national television against the University of Texas. And the next day in the Denver Post right across the Front Page it said “Buff’s” short for Buffalos; we were the Colorado Golden Buffalos. It said “Buff’s Debut Golden Season.” That was a shocking headline because you don’t win 1 game and have somebody say you’re having a Golden Season, and you don’t make 1 game and make the front page. But what happened was we won all 11 games; we ranked number 1 at the end of the regular season. I was selected the National Coach of the year and truly we had a Golden Season.

Sid: Coach, tell me about the time someone yelled to you during a football game “Where is your God now?”

Coach: It was years later when I took a team back to Ann Arbor to play the University of Michigan. Prior to the game the Lord had showed me during the summer in July that a passage in scripture Promise Keepers had exploded on the scene we were filling stadiums. And in the second chapter of Haggai the 2^nd verse it says “You will shake the nations.” When I mediated on that verse I really understood at that time that God was going to shake the nations with this ministry Promise Keepers this men’s ministry. Then a little further down in the 2^nd chapter in the 18^th verse it says on the 9^th month on the 24^th day I will bless you. And I looked on the calendar I did what you would do if you were a football coach; I looked to see if on the 9^th month on the 24^th day if we had a game. And low and behold we were going to play the University of Michigan where 13 years ago I had come and really I had come in a prophetic sense and when God had kind of moved me to Colorado.   So I asked the Lord even though on the Jewish calendar on the 9^th month and the 24^th day isn’t September the 24^th still I asked the Lord “Can I receive that, are you going to bless me?” And the Lord affirmed to me that He was going to bless me on that day. Sure enough we’re playing Michigan and we get there I got to tell you this piece to the story. When we get there it is Friday and in the Ann Arbor news it had my picture on the sports page that wouldn’t be unusual both teams were undefeated this was a nationally televised game. This was a big game by any stretch of the imagination. So below my picture though it says Matthew 7:24 it says “This man built his house on rock.” For those of you that aren’t familiar with the verse it says “Whoever hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who builds his house on rock; whoever hears these words of mine and doesn’t do them is like a foolish man that builds his house on sand.” Then it says, “Storms are coming everyone is promised storms but the one who builds his house on rock his house ill endure.” So anyway you know it’s this picture of me and it’s this picture verse and trust me the Ann Arbor News doesn’t quote scripture on the sports page. And so this was highly unusual well, the next day we’re playing; we’re trailing late in the game and we’ve got time for one more play and people are familiar with football may remember this situation and we were on our own 33 yard-line time for one play left and a guy stood up in the stands, there’s 107,000 people at the game, and at this time there was just a little bit of a lull in the action so the stadium had quieted just momentarily waiting for them to move the yard sticks. This guy just bellowed out loud enough for 1000’s of people to hear. He says “McCartney where is your God now?” Well on the next play we completed a pass a deflected pass that went for a touchdown, we won the game it was called the play of the year in college football

Sid: You knew that you were going to win though.

Coach: My God showed up.

Sid: (Laughing) You’d be in big trouble if you God did not show up!

Coach: That’s right your God’s got to show up.

Sid: You and I are talking about other things before this broadcast and you keep saying to me is “All I want is God to show up.”

Coach: Amen.

Sid: You know that’s all I want and that’s all everyone that’s listening that’s all you need you don’t need anything else. And in our peanut brains we try to figure out and we try to calculate and we try to plan, and the truth of the matter is that scripture that you said yesterday “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not in your own understanding and acknowledge Him in all of your ways and He will direct your path.”

Coach:   You know I’m wanting to come really close; I mean I want to be fully intimate. I want all that He has for me; I want to be filled with His Spirit. I don’t want to chase my tail; I don’t want to squander my days. I don’t want to just be a guy who knew the Lord; I want to be a guy who serves the Lord.

Sid: Give me some advice; I think any true Christian wants what you said but the flesh, the devil, other things they’re strong forces coach.

Coach: Here’s what I would say; I would say “Take God at His word; go after Him pursue Him.” The Bible says “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.” And so you get up in the morning and you get up early enough to have a time with Him and then you pursue Him. And whether you think He showed up that day or not you just keep pursuing Him. Day after day after day you know what you’re going to discover that He’s going to wrap His arms around you; He’s going to breathe on you; He’s going to fill you with His Holy Spirit. He promises to do that because scriptures says in Matthew 5:6 it says “Blessed is he who hungers and thirst for righteousness for he shall be filled.” In other words if you hunger and thirst to be right with God if you have to have Him at all costs and you pursue Him like that. See Jeremiah 13 says “You shall seek Me and you shall find Me when you seek Me with all your heart.” God’s not looking for a part-time believer as Sid has said that is red hot. Now God may test you; you may go two weeks, God wants to be sure that you’re not going to turn back. Then He’s going to fill you with His Spirit and when He fills you with His Spirit it’s just a whole new way to live and die. It is the abundant life; now you take Him everywhere you go everything you’re involved in. Whether it’s coaching football, whether it’s men’s ministry or whether it’s being a good husband or father; whatever it is you take Him with you.

Sid: You know Coach I just want to PS to something that you’re saying. It doesn’t matter whether you feel like it; it doesn’t matter whether you say “Well, I don’t know if my hearts want You as much as my mind says, but I’m going to go after you with as an act of my will God because I really want to make contact with you. I really need to have intimacy with you.” God can’t resist that can He coach?

Coach: He’s a rewarder of those that who diligently seek Him; but you must believe that He is God. And so you got to go after Him and take Him at His word until He shows up.

Sid: Well, we did it again we’re just about out of time… very few people know about the origins of Christianity, the Jewish roots of Christianity. Very few Christians understand where traditional Judaism went astray; very few Christians understand areas where traditional Christianity went astray. Before Jesus returns, I have it on good authority the Word of God there will be the glorious church; the glorious congregations. Do you know why it will be the glorious church? Because it will be filled with manifest presence of God. Someone will not have to lay hands on you in this glorious church you’ll just have to walk into the cloud; that same cloud that Moses walked in. Did you know that Moses lived 120 years of age? He had a secret of youth; he just spent a lot of time in the glory; that’s what Coach McCartney is talking about. You don’t get old in that glory… I believe the greatest move on planet earth of God’s Spirit where more souls are going to come in. But the truth of the matter is God wants to use you; God wants to use everyone but most people will miss this move because there looking for God in a different way. I don’t know exactly how the move will be but I know some of the ingredients…

SID: Now Alice Cresswell has what the world would call, outrageous faith. Now when you pray for someone and they’re not healed, what goes on inside of you?

ALISS: It rarely happens. If someone is not healed, I will pray again. I will say, “Well it’s got to go. Let’s pray again.” So sometimes it takes two or three times, but it’s got to go.

SID: That is, although the world would call that outrageous faith, I call that normal faith. Speaking of normal faith, tell me about the man that, these gifts operate not just in her shops, they operate wherever she is. Tell me about the man with the hearing aids.

ALISS: Okay. Well that’s a great. I love that story.

SID: You like every story.

ALISS: I do, actually. They’re all amazing. God’s amazing, isn’t He. But I was in the supermarket one day and this lady was walking towards me, first of all, with, she had a, she had broken her foot.

SID: By the way, can anyone do what you’re doing as a believer.

ALISS: Oh yeah. If I can do, anybody else can do it. We all have the same Holy Spirit living in us that raised Jesus from the dead. So yeah, we just got use that power that we have through Jesus.

SID: Have you taught people to do everything you can do?

ALISS: Yeah. There’s many people that they want to see miracles and I would just teach them how to do it, and then they’re doing it. I mean, it took, me 12 years of praying. But now what you find is you get a breakthrough for other people, too. So others, I just teach them and they start doing it, and the miracles happen for them.

SID: Okay. Take me back to the store.

ALISS: Yeah. So I’m in the supermarket. There’s this lady, she obviously needs healing. So I approach her. I feel, I hope nobody is watching me. And I said to her, “Can I pray for your foot and Jesus will heal it.” And she’s like, “Oh, I’ve got to go, I’ve got to go.” And she just races off, like tries to hobble down the supermarket aisle with all the groceries everywhere. So and I’m just feeling a bit rejected when this elderly gentleman comes up to me, and he said, “Excuse me,” he said, “I love your hair.” And I thought, isn’t God good. You know, He sent somebody, you know, to try and cheer me up. And I was like, “Thank you so much.” And then I noticed he had hearing aids in both of his ears. So I said, “Can I pray for your ears and Jesus will heal them.” Well he was so deaf he couldn’t hear a word I was saying with his hearing aids turned up full. So I thought, right, I’m going to go for it. So I went like that with my hands on his ears, and I said, “In the name of Jesus, ears open.” And he said to me, “What’s going on?” He pulls out the hearing aids and he realizes he can every single word that I’m saying. And then I notice he’s got a walking stick. So he tells me he’s got muscle [unintelligible]. He hasn’t got many muscles in his legs. So I said, “Put your hand on your leg where the problem is.” So he kind of puts his hand there. Then I put my hand on top. And imagine we’re in the supermarket. I’ve got my hand on this guy’s leg. We’re standing there, you know, and then who should come around the corner, but his wife.

SID: Oh no.

ALISS: “What’s going on here?” she says. And I’m like, I said, “Oh, I’m a Christian minister,” trying to look like a Christian minister, not doing a very good job of it. “No, no, no, it’s fine.” So I just grabbed his stick and I said, “Walk in the name of Jesus.” So he starts like tentatively walking and he gets faster, and he’s like jogging up and down. And then his wife realizes he can hear every word that she’s saying. So they’re crying, they’re hugging. I’m joining in. We’re crying and hugging in the middle of the supermarket. And I said, “You know, Jesus makes it happen.” “We do actually know Jesus, but we didn’t know he heals today.”

SID: Speaking of healing, you told me about those healing angels that are here.

ALISS: Yes.

SID: I want you to speak what they’re showing you to speak right now.

ALISS: Well there’s somebody watching us right now and I believe that there’s somebody with multiple sclerosis. You know we mentioned that already. But the person with multiple sclerosis, I believe God is healing you right now. I really have a sense of the presence of God.

SID: Me, too.

ALISS: In this place. Real strong anointing healing right now. So we just release that healing anointing. And just, you know, I speak to the person with multiple sclerosis, but also anybody who has any kind of illness or infirmity, anything wrong with you, just put your hand now on the part of your body that you’d like healing. If it’s all over you, just put your hand on your head. And we just pray, actually release that now. In the name of Jesus, I speak to every infirmity. I speak to multiple sclerosis and I command it to go now in the name of Jesus. Everybody be healed now. Receive that into your body because it’s from Jesus. Just let him touch you and receive it by faith And then just start to test out what is going on in your body. Try and do something that you couldn’t do before.

SID: Studio audience, you do that. You at home, you think I don’t see you. Have I got a surprise. No. But come on, do something. Shake it off. Shake that spirit off. Stand up. Jump. Do whatever it takes. Give me one quick key that you’ve learned over the years to be healed.

ALISS: Oh wow.

SID: I know that’s hard with just one thing. Give me one.

ALISS: A major one is your life is not your own. Once you decide to follow Jesus, you’ve been crucified with Christ. You just got to just do whatever it takes and do not give up. I guess that’s two keys, isn’t it. But do not give up. Just keep contending for what God has put in your heart, and just do it and believe in Him.

SID: Was there a point in the 12 years that were contending that you almost gave up?

ALISS: A few times, I just thought, I would be crying and I would just say, I can’t do this anymore. But then I’d think—

SID: Especially when you pray for someone that dies.

ALISS: Oh, it’s tough. You know, and I would see people were grieving and I had some awful times that I just, and people say, well don’t raise people’s hopes up, they might get disappointed. But I thought, no, I’m going to do what the Bible says, what God has called me to do and what He’s called us to do. He said for us all to go and raise the dead and cast out demons, and heal the sick. So I just, I would just keeping going, and I just said, I know one day it’s going to happen, and one day it did.

SID: Okay. What’s the lesson for you? Don’t you dare give up. Just before, see, the reason the devil is hitting you and hammering you, and things aren’t happening, is because you’re about ready to have the biggest release, the biggest explosion of God’s spirit in history. So I mean, the devil has overplayed his hand with you. If you are one of the few people that do not know Jesus, get right with God right now. You just tell God you’re sorry for all the mistakes. You believe that His blood washes them away. You’re clean and Jesus come inside, be my Lord, use your words. He’ll understand your heart and just open yourself up to the love of God. It’s about time. He’s been waiting.

ALISS: If you want an impartation, just raise your hands, just close your eyes. Look to Jesus. Father, let your angels just wander around and touch those. I release that impartation. It’s warm and healing.

Sid: I have a guest that is red hot for the Messiah, her name is Debra Alderman I’m speaking to her at her office in Stafford, Texas a suburb of Houston, Texas. And Debra has written a book based on an encounter that she had with the Lord in which the Lord literally came to her and made her supernaturally a soul winner. And the name of the book is “You Can Be an Overnight Soul Winner.” The reason is that the anointings are transferable. And after that visitation from the Lord she became a supernatural soul winner. And so I really want you to get this book; we’ll explain later how you can get it but Debra on yesterday’s broadcast you talked about a real character. I mean you’re just in joying yourself and this man all dressed in white comes and talks to you; this was before you were a believer. Comes and talks to you about Jesus. What did you think of him?

Debra: I thought that he was absolutely out of his mind; I couldn’t believe Sid that he had the nerve to walk up to our table uninvited and begin to tell us that we needed Jesus Christ.  

Sid: Out of curiosity, what was going on in your life at that time?

Debra: I was enjoying drinking alcohol, smoking pot, doing cocaine. I mean I was just living a very wild partying life and I was having too much fun. And in my mind I always thought that Christians and church people had no fun and so I wasn’t looking to change my life at all.

Sid: So when he shared with you what did you say to him?

Debra: I just you know I kind of looked at him and I said “Well, you know we’re just drinking out beer and having a good time but thanks anyhow.” And so he walked off but you know Sid the thing that really impacted me about this man you know years later when I did receive the Lord and began to serve God is you know I’ve never seen this man since. I have no idea who he is; where he lives. I have no idea where his background is or if I’ll ever see this man again as long as I live. But I know that one day I will see him when I get to heaven. And Sid the thing that really moves me about this man is that his reward is going to be great because he was obedient to walk over to our table that night. And to him I may have just looked like a party another partying college student. But little did he know that he was planting the seed of the gospel in a young girl that would one day give her life to the Lord and then begin to win souls all over the world.

Sid: Again, I’m thinking about the person that witnessed to Billy Graham. He had no idea what he was doing.

Debra: Sure.

Sid: But one of the things that I found out Debra is that sometimes that someone is not quite ready to receive the Lord but you are planting a seed and you don’t even know it by what’s going on. The fact that someone like you you just sloughed it off and nothing “I’m not interested.” But it was seed; it was alive it was living and it was planted in your heart.

Debra: Absolutely, that is what happens and you know that word that he shared that night at the table I never forgot it and I could not get this man off of my mind because I was just still surprised, so blown away by the fact that he had the nerve to walk up to my table.    

Sid: Well, let see some of the fruit that he has right now. Tell me about one of the many times you go into a night club to witness.

Debra: Well Sid I’m so glad you brought that up because it is one of the most incredible things that I believe God has ever done with my life. And I attribute so much of that to number 1 the kind of church that I’m in. I’m just in a very solid Bible believing church where my brother-in-law and sister are the pastors. The same ones that led me to the Lord Richard and Tina Ford and you know I just owe my whole life to them Sid because the discipled me; they got my feet on the ground and got me grounded in the word of God. And then on top of that I began to study all of these old soul winners that are in heaven today. And I read about people and studied people like Bill Sunday, the baseball player that turned Preacher. I studied Peter Cartwright and Katherine Kuhlman and all of these soul winners that when they would begin to pray they would begin to hold revival meetings in a certain city and all of the bars, the saloons would close down, the crime rates would go down. And you know Sid every time that I would read or study about one of these old soul winners I would just cry out to God and I would say “God if You did it for them Lord You could do it for us; You can do it for me; You can do it for our generation.” And it really started Sid when I was speaking at a meeting in Corpus Christy, Texas and I was driving with the Pastor’s wife and a young girl that helps me in ministry Dorthy McThurn and we were all on our way to the service and we passed a night club it was actually a strip joint called “Legs.” And when ever we were driving past the club I just you know pointed, I was pointing the club out to Dorothy who was sitting in the back seat of the car. And I could no sooner get the words out of my mouth look at that club and I just broke down and I just began to weep uncontrollably.

Sid: By the way I have your book and in your book is a picture of that club and that is not a nice place.

Debra: No, it was not a nice place it was very evil place in the city of Corpus Christy and you know I was just a guest minister visiting the city so I knew nothing about this club. I had never seen it before; I did not know that the Christians living in that city had prayed for years and years and years for this club to close down. But that day I just began to cry and you know it wasn’t…the tears were coming out of eyes but it was how the Holy Spirit felt about that place to cause me to cry. You know the Holy Spirit Sid He’s a real person and He has a real personality. You know sometimes He wants to laugh and sometimes He wants to cry and that day the Holy Spirit’s heart so to speak was breaking over that club and over the people’s lives that were being influenced there. And so as I began to cry God gave me a vision that day and you know I believe the word of God is true; over in the Book of Joel chapter 2 where God says “He will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. That you know God said “Old man will have dreams, young men will have visions and on His servants and on His handmaidens He’ll pour out of His Holy Spirit.” And that day God gave me a vision; and in other words I had a picture of something God wanted me to do. And I saw myself in this picture that God gave me or in this vision I saw myself laying my hands on the doorway of that nightclub. And so I looked at the Pastor’s wife who I barely knew by the name of Sylvia, Sylvia you’ve got to turn the car around we’ve got to drive into the parking lot of that club because I want to go and I want to pray over that club. And Sid it was about 9:00 AM on a Saturday morning. The club was not even open for business yet and the 3 of us ladies out out of that car. And I just remembered we had our camera with us because we were going to take pictures at the church service that morning. And so I don’t know why I just turned around to Dorothy and I said “Take some pictures of this” And so Sylvia and I went and placed our hands on the doorway on that nightclub. And I’ll never forget the door was green and we just began to pray. And Sid the only way that I can explain to you what happened is that I could literally see with my spiritual eyes all of this darkness and all of these evil spirits coming out of the club and I could see the power of God going inside of this night club. And I just began to pray and to intercede over the strippers, over the dancers that were taking their clothes off in this club. And I just began to cry out to God for those young girls that they would come to know Jesus Christ and that they would not end up in hell but that they would go to heaven. And then when we began to pray over that club when we were through praying over the doorway we jumped up onto this hill where there was this hideous sign of this half naked woman. She was so tall and she was overlooking the city of Corpus Christy, Texas and she was so tall we could only reach the bottom part of her leg and we just began to touch her leg and we began to pray over that sign; that you know that the place would close down and that God would save the people that were associated with this club. And a long story made short Sid 6 months later we received a phone call into our ministry office saying that they had torn down the sign of this you know half naked woman that over looked the City of Corpus and what a miracle of God that was. And 6 months after that we received another phone call into our office saying that the club had been closed down. And so we just know that there is power in prayer, that there is nothing too hard or too difficult for our God to do. And you know today if you know if we’re tired of the sin and the evil in our cities we need to pray because there’s nothing impossible for God to do in our city.

Sid: You know what excited me was that I was actually going for another story that I read about in your book. Because obviously you go into a lot of these clubs to witness, but when you come into a club the presence of God enters there. I mean the atmosphere changes, tell me about that in one instance.

Debra: Absolutely, well one instance is a friend of mine Debbie and I were driving down Highway 90 in our hometown Stafford, Texas located right outside of Houston and the Lord spoke to me to pull into this parking lot and to walk inside of this bar that day. And I had never done anything like this in my entire life and was about 5:00 in the afternoon. You know Debbie and I walked inside of this bar; happy hour was in full swing. And I had no idea why God was sending me in the bar who He wanted me to talk to in there. And I got ready to walk over to a blond headed woman sitting with her man friend at a table and I thought “Well Lord, maybe Your sending me to them.” But as I walked into the doorway of the bar a man sitting on a bar stool turned around, looked at me and I knew this man because he used to be in an usher in my local church. And there he was Sid sitting at the bar stool drinking a long necked beer. And he was shocked to see me walk into the bar.

Sid: I’m sure. (Laughing)

Debra: (Laughing) I was shocked to see him sitting at the bar and drinking his log necked beer. And so I walked over to him and I just said “Ernest, what are you doing here?” And I began to talk to him Sid and I said “You know when Jesus comes back Ernest, I don’t want Him to find you sitting here on a bar stool drinking a long neck beer; Ernest you need to give your heart and life back to Jesus Christ; Ernest it’s time to serve God again.” And I’ll never forget it Sid his bottom lip began to shake and tears began to roll down his face. And he said something to me Sid that I’ll never forget as long as I live. He said “Debra I cannot believe your standing here talking to me.”

Sid: Oh, we’re out of time.

Sid: My guest Aliss Crisswell; I’m talking to her by way of telephone at her home in Chester, United Kingdom. And Aliss started in 2009 an outreach evangelistic Cafe in United Kingdom. And the most outrageous miracles are happening there. For instance Alice tell me about in 2013 you had a visitation from an angel that started imparting creative ideas to you; tell me about that.

Aliss: I did, yes what happened was I had been telling people I had been prophesying to people saying “That you are going to get visitations from angels; you’re going to have downloads from heaven about business ideas and things like this; creative ideas.” But I wasn’t actually expecting it to happen to me; but one morning I woke up at 6:00 in the morning and I was aware of a huge angel standing next to my bed. And the angel had a hand on my head and all these thoughts just whirling around my head. And I was trying to make sense of them. And then when I kind of came to I realized that it was a new business idea; it was basically an idea to take a spirit shop or something called spirits where we do free healing and miracles too to take that into people’s homes like a party idea. So we started to that but it all came from an angel downloading from heaven.

Sid: Well, as you started to tell that story there was an increase in the presence of God. Do you know what’s going on; something just increased in the Spirit?

Aliss: Wow, that sounds good. I’m just going to release that to people that are listening if that’s okay. So I just…we just declare over people right now that we declare that downloads from heaven; creative ideas; business ideas. That angels will appear and will speak to you and will give you information and will give you ideas; that there will be new businesses birthed, new ministries birth. That people will start walking in all the fullness of what they’re called to walk in in Jesus Name.

Sid: Tell me some physical miracles; now have you ever had someone show up in a wheelchair and walk out of their chair?

Aliss: Yes, we did. We had a lady brought in her neighbor one day into our Cafe and she was in a motorized wheelchair. It was at the end of a busy day we were clearing up; I didn’t have much time to spend with her. But the lady told me that she had suffered from multiple scleroses 24 years. She said that she knew God but she didn’t believe that it was God’s will to heal today. So I thought “I’ve got to tell her so I just told her a couple of scriptures because I was in a rush but I said “You know scriptures such as Psalm 103 verse 3 where it says we mustn’t forget “Do not forget He forgives all of our sins and He heals all of our diseases.” And in Isaiah 53 it states that “By His wounds we are healed.” And I said to her “That it is God’s will to heal you” and I told her “That Jesus rose from the dead and that He has victory over sickness and victory over multiple scleroses.” And I just prayed a very quick prayer for her to be healed. Two days later I get a phone call from the neighbor telling me that that lady had gotten out of her wheelchair; she stood up for the first time in 24 years and she sat back down again. But you know she had no feelings from the waist down and she was not able to move; her husband had to do everything she couldn’t even turn in bed. So I said to her I was so excited I was crying on the phone I said “Bring her back into the Cafe.” So they come back into the Cafe a few days later and this lady is still in her wheelchair and I’m thinking “Oh no, what’s happened.” But she said to me that “She can stand but she’s not tried walking she’s scared.” And obviously her muscles are atrophied so how could she walk. So I said “Come on we’re going to get you walking.” So the Cafe was full of people and so we had a lot of people watching and we got her to stand up for the first time and she’d done this a few days before the first time in 24 years. So we moved her wheelchair out of the way we turned her around and we were holding on to her and she tentatively took one step; she took two steps. She pushed us away and she walked all the way to the bathroom, she turned around and walked all the way back and she sat on a normal chair and she cried her eyes out she was just so thrilled. You can just imagine what she must have been feeling; we were all crying, everybody was crying as we were watching. And she said you know she said “Jesus was in my heart before but now my heat is light, and now I know that Jesus loves me and it is God’s will to heal everybody.”

Sid: What about people that wander in your store that have heart conditions; Afeb and things like that; tell me one story.

Aliss: We’ve had a few of those healed and have had people that have seemed to have received brand new hearts when we’ve prayed for them. And one guy he had this age old fibulation thing going on and we prayed for him. And then suddenly I think that it was on Easter day he ends up being taken to the hospital because something starts happening to his heart. And they get it in there and they begin to test and they said “Your heart is back to normal.” because he was going to need some kind of procedure to fix it. So he told them “Well, Jesus has fixed it” and it’s been fine ever since and that’s been a few years ago.

Sid: How do the doctors react to that?

Aliss: I think that they were pretty shocked. (Laughing)

Sid: I would think that they’d be pretty shocked over that. Now I understand that in about   1998 the prophetic gift started moving on you you actually knew people’s names and words about them. And even moved into understanding things in the end times. Tell me me about how that gift operates.

Aliss: Yeah, that happens. Well I had words of knowledge as a teenager but then nothing for years. So I just prayed “God please give me words, please give me these things again.” And I prayed that for 2 years and then that started happening in ’98. And He’s just downloaded to me all of this information; I was getting people’s names. I’ll give you an example of word of knowledge that I had in recent years and it’s so incredible; God speaks to us in so many different ways and yet we don’t often know that it’s God speaking. You know that He can speak though our emotions. For example I had a stillborn baby many years ago; I mean it seems like 19 years ago. And obviously it was very difficult at the time but God’s just carried us through it; I went 9 months pregnant and then the baby died. But Go can used these things; and I was in the supermarket one day and this was just relatively recently and I found myself in the supermarket doing my grocery shopping and I suddenly start thinking about my baby who had died many years before and it wasn’t the anniversary of her death or anything like that. So if I ever feel down or I feel a pain I always assume it’s the Holy Spirit speaking to me; I assume there’s somebody there may have got something similar; that’s what I assume that’s not my stuff. Because He’s can so easily get on to things and it’s not our stuff it’s just a word of knowledge. So I looked around and I was thinking, I’m not feeling sad about my own baby that was stillborn, I think that there is somebody else’s that I’m feeling sad about. So I looked around and there was no body near me apart from the lady who was sitting at the checkout. And she looked too old to had just had a baby. So I thought well it can’t be her but there was nobody that else near. And so it’s really scary doing this stuff you got to be careful how you approach people and what you say to them. But what I did was I took my groceries and I went up to this checkout where the lady was. And I told her I said “You know I’m a Christian I follow Jesus” I said “Many years ago I had a baby that was still born and I just started thinking about her and I’m just wondering if the Holy Spirit, if God is trying to show me that there’s somebody near me who’s had something similar happen.” So I said to her “I’m just wondering maybe you maybe lost a grandchild recently?” Because she looked too old to had just had a baby.” She just looked at me and she said “I can’t believe it she said “My son’s baby was born dead yesterday.”

Sid: Hm.

Aliss: Now, I wouldn’t had…I mean she was like “How do you know that do I look sad?” And I just said to her “God loves you so much He sent me to come and tell you about Jesus.” And I told her about Jesus and we were holding hands, she was crying; I was crying. She said “I want to give my life to Jesus.” By this point the whole line of people wanting to pay for their groceries and they’re thinking “Whose this weird-o, what are they doing?” But we didn’t care. She said “It’s my husband’s Birthday today and he’s got leukemia, can Jesus help him with leukemia?” So I said “Of course He can, so we prayed for the husband to be healed of leukemia.” And she said that “The whole situation of her family; her kids have not been talking to her and it’s been a bit of a nightmare.” And so we just prayed for the whole situation. Now about 3 weeks later I was back in the same supermarket went to the checkout and there she was sitting there and she said “I’ve got to tell you my life has completely changed since I gave my life to Jesus.” She said “Even in the difficult situation all of my family are now speaking to each other and it’s like peace has moved in; and my husband has been back for consultant and instead of getting worse and worse his results show that he’s getting better and better and better and that’s throught Jesus.”

Sid: Now God has been giving you people’s names; now is it the first name or is it the full name?

Aliss: Ahm; it’s been a full name but generally it’s just a first name or part of their name. I mean one time I had a twinge in my knee and I thought that it was a word of knowledge for somebody who had a problem with their knee. But then I kind of go back to another word of knowledge for somebody’s name and I thought it was a name. And so I said “Who’s name begins with knee?” And I described the person that didn’t know Jesus and this guy suddenly said “I think I’m going to be sick.” He said “He said “That is me my name is Knee-oh.” I had just described him to a Tee and it was just incredible the way that God just picked him out like that.

Sid: Now what has God shown you that will be happening in the future?

Aliss: Oh, all sorts of things. I’ve had visions of the earth opening up and people falling into it and it really makes me want to tell more people about Jesus.

Sid: And you know that reminds me about the fellow that started the Salvation Army that he had this vision of people just running over a cliff and dying. And that’s why they started the Salvation Army.

Aliss: Yeah, yeah and what I also saw was the righteous people; the people that were following Jesus were standing and they saw this glowing and they were safe and I saw them standing on solid ground. So I’ve seen lots of different things.

Sid: I’ll tell you what there’s lot’s of time left in the Spirit but in the natural I only have a few seconds left.