Sid: Now I have my good friend Jonathan Bernis on the phone and most of you are familiar with his TV show” Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis.”  Jonathan you came out with a concept that frankly I haven’t seen anyone do before.  And that is I’ve seen people have scriptures to mediate on God’s word and list them and tell us to mediate rightfully so.  But you came out with it on a CD as well as in a book with a special way so that anyone can read Biblical Hebrew instantly.  Why the Hebrew, most people don’t understand Hebrew?

Jonathan: Well, Sid I believe that Hebrew has a unique power to it, and I believe it’s connected to Roman’s 11:25.  Which I think it’s often misinterpreted; it says “A blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”  And I don’t believe it’s talking about a full number but a fullness coming back to the church; a restoration as Acts talks about; a restoration of all things.  Part of this divine restoration and I believe Sid it’s a last days restoration is the revival of the Jewish roots of our faith.  And that includes the language of Hebrew which I believe is dynamic and powerful which I believe it began with restoration that began with the 1800’s with Hebrew coming back to a people that had been wandering for almost 2000 years.  The Jewish people who are now back in the land and the national language in Israel is the language of Hebrew.  I believe that this is a modern day miracle Sid.  And I believe that Christians can tap into this amazing restoration.

Sid: Well as far as I’m concerned not only is the language supernatural it was prophesied they’d be speaking it again in the streets of Judah.  But it is… there’s something about sound.  For instance, I interview Psalmists and some of them literally they have portals to heaven for peace, or for healing, or for various things.  There’s something about Hebrew that opens up the heavens.  What do you feel about that?

Jonathan:  Well I believe that God responds to any language but I believe that there’s a unique anointing on Hebrew and some have suggested Sid, I can’t tell you dogmatically that this is the case, but that when the Lord spoke the world into existence and said “Let there be light” He was speaking this forth in Hebrew as a creative force.”  So I believe that Hebrew does have a supernatural dimension to it.  There’s frequencies that resonate in the Hebrew how detailed I don’t get into.  But I do believe that there is a very unique power to Hebrew; it’s called the language of the prophets the language of the tongue of the prophets.  And I believe that it’s part of an end-time restoration.

Sid: Now in Jeremiah 31:23 Jonathan read that verse.

Jonathan:  “Thus says the Lord of Hosts the God of Israel, they shall again use this speech in the land of Judah and in its cities when I bring back their captivity.”

Sid: Well, how much more specific can you get?  I can just tell you the way it affects me.  I love to hear the language of Hebrew.  And tell me about how this prophesy of God’s word that once again the words of this supernatural language will be restored in Israel. How did it come about?

Jonathan:   Modern restoration of Hebrew goes back to the latter part of the 19 century.  Actually the middle part; the 1860’s and 70’s thought a man that God called to move back to Israel before it was restored as the nation of Israel.  A man called Eleazar Ben Yehudah and he was responsible for the restoration of the Hebrew language.  He spent the majority of his life developing ancient Hebrew into a modern spoken language that could be used by a people because he was confident that one day the Jewish people would be restored back to the land.  And it came to past Sid in 1948; Israel supernaturally in a day was restored back to the Jewish people; the birth of the modern birth of the state of Israel.  And then 1967 with Jerusalem coming back into Jewish hands; I think this was the singular greatest event in the last century to signal the near return of Jesus to this world.

Sid: And you know what’s so amazing about our God is here He said that the Jewish people would be scattered to the four corners of the earth. He prophesied they’d be maintained as a distinct people.  He prophesied a land would be born in a day, and He prophesied from the four corners of the earth we would return but when we returned we returned we spoke the language of whatever country we were scattered to.  So if Eleazar Ben Yehudah had not restored modern Hebrew how could be communicate with one another?

Jonathan: Yeah it was a miracle. Sid there was 3 restorations just to continue on this that are absolutely supernatural.  One is the restoration of the Jewish people scattered to the nations of the world back to their land after almost 2000 years. There was only a remnant of Jewish people living in Israel after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.  We were scattered to the remote parts of the earth.  But since 1948 God has gathered us back as a people and there’s more Jewish people living in Israel today.  That little sliver of land the size of New Jersey than any other place in the world including America.  Secondly He’s restoring our faith.  Jewish people are coming to faith in the God of Israel through the Messiah.  Eyes are being opened; there’s more Jewish people that believe in Jesus today than any time since the first century, then third restoration of the modern language. They’re all tied together; their all supernatural and we’re experiencing this before our very eyes Bible prophesy being fulfilled.

Sid: Now tell me about this beautiful book and CD that’s included titled “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures.”

Jonathan:  Okay Sid I have to give credit where credit is due and you played a role in this believe it or not.  A number of years ago you confessed healing scriptures and put them to music.  And I listened to those tapes and I never knew if they ever came out in CD’s it was a while ago.  They were on cassette tapes and I sent those to friends and it was soothing for the soul; faith came alive for healing and health through the confession of God’s Word.  I’m a big believer in confessing the word of God; faith is built as we confess the word of God.  But then I coupled that with a method that I had learned growing up in synagogue and that is the idea of transliteration.  Most Jewish people can’t read the Hebrew and so our prayer books transliterate the Hebrew into English phonetic English to sound out the Hebrew so then we can follow along using the phonetics.  Now I learned to read Hebrew the transliteration was kind of a cheat sheet that we could use to speak out the prayers  in synagogue. What I’ve done is I’ve taken that method that transliteration…

Sid: Now that was done because so many Jews relocated to the four corners of the earth as God prophesied and they did not know how to speak Hebrew after several generations. So it had to be started a system like this and it’s actually a supernatural way for any one that never went to Bible School of any sort, or a language school of any sort to be speaking the Biblical language.

Jonathan:  That’s right Sid in 5 minutes you can sit down put the CD on and you can be speaking in Hebrew without any Hebrew background or training or education whatsoever.  You can actually speak these scriptures out following along in the Hebrew and using the transliteration.  And you can be speaking forth confessing the Hebrew scriptures related to the Name of God Jehovah Shalom; or Adonai Shalom the Lord our peace; the Lord our completion.

Sid: Now you have scriptures about the word shalom peace but most people think of that’s what it means peace.  But it means so much more explain.

Jonathan:  Well, shalom is one of the greatest words in the Hebrew language; it means much more than just peace.  Although it does bring with it a supernatural peace.  But it also means wellbeing; it means wholeness.  And the greatest translation I think of shalom is completion; to bring to completion. When we’re exhorted in Psalm 122:6 “To pray for the peace, the shalom, of Jerusalem.”  In fact God is asking us to pray for His plan and purpose to be brought to completion, fulness.

Sid: So that’s why you know many people say now “Why did God pick only one city in the whole world that we’re admonished to pray for?”  And that’s Psalm 122:6 “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.”  Then He makes a promise connected with it.  “They shall prosper” and the word prosper in the Hebrew (talk about peace) means heart peace.  You shall have heart peace; because you’re praying for the completion of everything that God has prophesied so Jesus can come back and rule this earth.  We certainly need something better than Democrats or Republicans. (Laughing)

Jonathan:  (Laughing) We sure do Sid; and something really exciting is that first pray for the shalom of peace of Jerusalem they shall prosper that love thee.  Which means there’s a promise of property connected to that is also the word shalom.  Pray for the shalom of Jerusalem of Israel and God will shalom you.” He’ll prosper you back; He’ll give you peace, He’ll give you wholeness. He’ll complete the work He began in you.  It’s just amazing as you sow that prayer into Israel He pours it back into us.  That word is shalom.

Sid:  Now this brand new but we’ve already field tested this and people are listening to this in the Hebrew because the CD has beautiful relaxing music and then you hear the promise in Hebrew; then you hear the promise in English.  And you can also because it’s transliterated and the most beautiful pictures in this book.  And it’s really a book that you’d be proud to put on a coffee table; what a conversation piece you’re going to have in your home.  So as people do this at night they get totally relaxed and I believe as you’ve just pointed out the word shalom is completeness and all the promises of God… it’s called “The Lord Is Peace.

Sid: Well my guest is red hot the Messiah he’s the founder of Promise Keepers; Coach Bill McCartney. I’m speaking to him at this home in Denver, Colorado.  Those that are football fans know what he has done in the football world.  Those that are Jesus fans knows fans know what he’s done in the Kingdom of Heaven.  He literally was used by God as a catalyst to draw 1.4 Million men together to worship God.  This event Coach you were telling me yesterday was the first one that included Messianic Jews, explain.

Coach: Well we were in the Mall in Washington DC.  

Sid: Excuse me there must have been Messianic Jews as individuals but not in large numbers, but go ahead.

Coach:  In other words, we didn’t acknowledge them; we didn’t honor them; we didn’t give them their rightful place at the front where they belong.  So what happened in the Mall in Washington DC in 1997 when we had 1.4 Million men, was that we blew the shofar, and as you know that’s a call to God.  As you know that’s a call to God and as we called out to God it was an extraordinary time.  And I need to take you to what God did with me most recently to help you to see how all of this kind of came together for me.  I went into the waiting room. The waiting room Isaiah 31 says “Those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength.” I felt led by the Lord to step back out of Promise Keepers. I felt like what had happened in Promise Keepers God had really blessed it and would continue to bless it. But that the primary reason that He called me to be a part of birthing the ministry was still unfulfilled.  So I had a sense that I just needed to retreat. So what I did was on March 12, 2003 I stepped back and I went into the waiting room. And for me the waiting room was every day and getting up and spending at least a couple of hours with the Lord unhurried time where I could just ask God all the necessary questions.  And I felt like God said to me “If you’ll step back and connect the spiritual dots in your life you’ll discover there’s a divine order to them.” And so I started to go back over everything that had happened prior to Promise Keepers; through Promise Keepers; what was God doing as I’ve heard you say, “You’ll find that everything is a stepping stone to what God wants to do next.”  It was with that in mind that I did this, and I got to tell you that I was in that waiting room 9 months.  Now ladies know what happens in 9 months you give birth.  Sure enough I didn’t realize it at that time but on December the 12^th I flew to San Diego at the urging of some brothers at the prompting of some of the Messianic Community. I flew to San Diego because over the phone I had been saying things to a friend of mine and he was jumping out of his socks trying to get me to say these things out loud.  So I basically connected the dots and I said “Based on all the ways that God has worked in my life and what He did in Promise Keepers and what not here’s what I believe God is saying He wants to do.”  And I explained in the room in San Diego there was 16 guys, 2 were Messianic Rabbi’s.  To others were Messianic Jews and all the others were men but it was ethnically diverse.  When I shared with them and I connected the dots I’m telling you the room just took on a profound aura. And it was obvious that these guys every one of them felt like what I was saying they were validating that you got to pursue this.

Sid: I can’t wait, what were you saying?

Coach: Well, I got to tell you one more football story so that you’ll understand.  I was praying in July one year. I was in the book of Isaiah and I came across I know you know this but whenever the word of God is spoken, read, or heard and the Spirit of God takes the word of God and strikes fire that’s where there’s change. So with that in mind I would read the Bible through every year; some in the Old Testament, some in the New Testament on the program that I was on. And this particular day in July in the book of Isaiah I read Isaiah 11:11 “And the Lord will return a second time to recover the remnant of His people.”   When I read that it just jumped off the Bible at me; I’m telling you that it just lit up my heart and so I stayed there; I mediated on it.  Well, what happened was the Lord… we had the year before had an extraordinary season and I in my own football way I was asking God, “God are You saying You’re going to do it again a second time what You did last year with our football team?  Now that’s not what the verse was saying.

Sid: Right.

Coach:  But that’s what I was asking him.  And the Lord affirmed that He was going to do again what He had did the year before.  Well at the time that I’m reading this I said, it was in July but actually I was wrong it was in September.  Our team was 1 – l and 1.  We had won 1 game; we had lost 1 game and we had tied 1 game.  We were ranked 20^th in the nation.  And the Lord showed me that your final season record will be Isaiah 11:11, meaning 11 – 1 and 1.  The record was 1– 1 and 1, our final record would be 11– 1– 1.  Sid as God as my witness I gathered these guys together that had been a part of the golden season and I said to them “You’re not going to believe this, but God showed me that here’s our final season record.”  So sure enough we win the next 10 games; we gain a share of the national championship.  You know when God tell you that He’s going to do something before He does it you don’t get any credit for it.

Sid: Of course.

Coach:  And so we’re now in the waiting room connecting those dots; remembering how God supernaturally orchestrated that and brought that to bear.  Why did He do that; why did God start Promise Keepers; why did God providentially do all of these extraordinary things? We had one event in Atlanta where 40,000 Pastors came to the event.  And for about 45 minutes on one of those days there was a euphoric spirit that came over the place that was unlike anything that most of us had ever experienced.  And so why did God do all of the these things?  Well, for me in connecting the dots it’s back to Isaiah 11:11 and the Lord will return a second time.  In other words what God wants to do through the One New Man; what is in God’s heart for the harvest that He wants to bring in is so extraordinary.  But I couldn’t had ever gotten there without going into the waiting room without just meditating and chewing on scripture.  When I read your book “The Race to Save the World” where you explain the power of the One New Man; I couldn’t contain myself because it was so clear.  You were helping me to see things that I was coming to understand but not fully grasping.  Now I began to realize what God has been doing all along through all of these football experiences.  What He did in football is that He gave me favor; unmerited favor.  What He did was He allowed me to have favor across the Body of Christ.  I’ve got to tell you with ethic men of all colors I have favor, I have favor with the Jewish believer, it’s unmerited favor.  And what God has done He has prepared me to join guys that He’s raised up like you and being part of ushering in the One New Man.  There is a revival coming; there’s a move of the Spirit of God coming and I just know it.  And my role in it is to ask God to do it; my role in it is daily regularly petition Him; call upon Him.  Jeremiah 33: 3 says “Call upon Me and I will show you great and unsearchable things which you do not know.”  I believe that what’s in God’s heart is so extraordinary and so powerful and it’s going to be realized; it’s going to be evidenced as… picture this if you can get this picture in your heart you got it. Picture a Gentile Believer who’s emptied of self and free of the fear of man.  And then picture a Jewish Believer who’s selfless and fearless.  In other words both of them have fresh fire and they have real fear of God. That is the component that God’s going to use to explode this revival as we go after the Jew first and then the Gentile.  Listen to what it says here, it’s talking about Noah in Hebrews 11:7 it says “By faith Noah being divinely warned of things not yet seen moved with Godly fear.”  See he prepared an ark for the saving of his household by which he condemned the world and he became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.  He was able to see what was going to happen before it happened.  What I believe that God has done with you; what I believe that He’s speaking into others is this One New Man.  What’s in God’s heart for that is of such proportions; it’s going to bring in the peace that surpasses all human understanding.  In other words, there’s a peace; you know who has that peace?  The guy that’s empty of self and free of fear.  Jesus said “Whoever would come after Me must deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow Me.”  Look there’s two things there.

Sid: Coach we’re going to pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Dr. Howard Morgan another Jewish man that is red hot for Yeshua, Hebrew for Jesus. I’m speaking to him at his home in Atlanta, Georgia. We’re featuring his book “Leaves from the Olive Tree” this week. In your book Howie you say something that could be construed as very very controversial, but the truth of the matter is God doesn’t change.

Dr. Morgan: Amen.

Sid: We’re not seeing results of the New Testament, the New Testament is of God therefore, one guess as to who’s done the changing it’s us. How have we changed? What have we changed from, and how do we change back? But here’s one of the statements you made and you said “That the system is based on an emperor system, and the emperor, or the pastor, only sees your value.” Of course there are exceptions, please please we’re not talking about everyone, but we’re saying that the system itself lends to this. “The emperor only sees your value as you work to accomplish his goals.” Please elaborate on that as you did in your book.

Dr. Morgan: I think it’s really import for us to understand as you described the system. The spirit of religion has created a system by which it operates. It puts people into the system, grinds them up literally robs them of their inheritance in Christ, then fits them into a mold where they live for the system. The insidious part of it is the deception that takes place as you go through the system where you think you’re really doing the will of God and you’ve been so deceived because you’re actually not doing the will of God you end up serving the system. So we have leaders who are in the system and they become what I call “Little Emperors.” You know, Caesar ruled the Greco-Roman world; the Caesars, the emperors ruled. Into this comes the Christ who says “If you want to be great in my kingdom, of which I am the King over all the emperors, I am the King over all the kings you are called to serve one another.” In so many churches we’re all serving the “pastors vision.” This doesn’t necessarily have to be in large churches it could be in home meetings where the same spirit of intimidation, manipulation, and control take…

Sid: But wait a second, what’s wrong with serving the pastor’s vision he’ll never implement it unless he’s got a team doing it?

Dr. Morgan: Yes, now… that’s a really good point because I want to talk about so many pastors visions that are really focused on themselves and their own ministry. I believe that the authentic vision of the New Testament because we’re talking about New Testament realities in that the authentic vision of the great Shepherd is to bring people to maturity. So that the vision of the pastor in my understanding should be “What can I do to make everyone in my congregation a disciple? How can I save them, mature them, train them, and send them? Not keep them for myself.” Oh Sid we have over the years helped so many people who as one sister describes she was a victim of church abuse. She came with a heart full of zeal for the Lord and ended up doing whatever the pastor wanted regardless of whether she believed it was the will of God to being told that she had to submit to authority. Inside her relationship with God was being crushed. Finally to the point where she could no longer do it anymore and having served faithfully for years; having given money faithfully for years at that point they just simply threw her out and dismissed her, marked her as a rebel because she could no longer do what the “system” was enforcing her to do. It was demanding, the intimidation, the manipulation, and the control was so intense that she could no longer function. And really it took her a couple of years to find her way back to her relationship with Jesus because it got so confused in her thinking because this was the church, these were the elders, this was the pastor telling her how she was supposed to live. So the vision of the church “If we’re going to see the glory of God” I believe that there’s going to have to be a radical paradigm shift a shift in the way we view the world, and the way we view church, and the way we do church that’s about equipping people challenging them to rise up and get into the flow of the river of God, and move in the power, and start to experiment, and start to take the risk of faith, and go out into the highways and byways and pray for people and watch what the Lord will do. Not hide in the service and say “Oh the pastor he’s anointed the evangelist who shows up, he’s anointed.” They’re supposed to be equipping ministries, Ephesians 4:11…

Sid: But you know what Howie, I believe the heart of good pastors is “I want this, but I don’t know how to do it.”

Dr. Morgan: Well here’s the thing…

Sid: How do you do… wait a second. How do you it with a church of a thousand people. I mean 99% of them have got to be sitting there just being fed. A few will be workers, but there’s not room within the church system for everyone to be a worker.

Dr. Morgan: So then we have to look at how the system has developed and how we have to raise up leaders over tens, and hundreds, and thousands. Each one who is discipling, and underline the word discipling, because what we’ve done in the system is made church going believers of people and told them “That it’s enough, it’s okay if you’re simply just going to a church on Sunday.” So that many people when we witness to them and ask if they’re a Christian their answer is “I go to church.” Instead we should say to them “What is the word of the Lord to you? What are you doing about it?” The system has created a dynamic where the pastor is happy that a thousand people are there and it feels good. But my question is of those 1000 people “How many are real disciples?” Then that pastor has to get before the Lord and say “How can I disciple every one of them? I need to raise up leaders over tens, and hundreds, and thousands so that each one has a “Father” in the Lord. Another thing we’ve lost down through the centuries that is so deeply engrained in our Jewish culture and world view and mindset of fathers raising sons, who raise grandsons so that all the tribes are coming to maturity. That was the vision that God gave, they didn’t fulfill it we know, but it’s still the system that God put in place in the Torah, and Brit Hachadashah, the New Testament. It’s all about raising up disciples and asking the Lord you know you may have to maybe break the church up into smaller groups like home meetings, and those wonderful things that are going on in so many places. Even that has to be focused on equipping people to do the work, to be discipled because you know what Sid, Jesus did not say “Go into all the world and make church going believers of everyone you meet.” What He did say was “Go into all the world and disciple the nations teaching them to obey the things that I have commanded you to do.”

Sid: So what you’re saying is the common theology is “Say a prayer with Billy and you go to heaven and everything is fine” is not really the whole story.

Dr. Morgan: Not at all, it’s the very very beginning of the story praying the prayer with Billy, repenting, then saying “Okay Billy, train me.” If Billy can’t train you then Billy needs to get trained so that he can train you, then you can get trained so that you can lead somebody to the Lord. If you’re one day older than somebody you can give them what you’ve learned in that one day. If you know one more verse than them you can help them with the one verse you’ve learned; each of us pouring in to each other’s lives. Oh my word Sid how many churches, big churches and nobody is talking to one another, nobody is fellowshipping. We’ve been in churches you know that the people left and they moved faster than the lines in Disney. You know, 2500 people out gone, you turn around the place is empty and it’s sad the place remains empty here’s a multi-million dollar facility and it’s used a few hours a week for the “theatre.” Oh and it’s great theatre I mean it’s a big wonderful band and lights and action and camera, and sound effects all this other kinds of stuff, but who is being equipped to do the work? Because the system makes people church goers rather than disciples, it makes people members of a local organization rather than members of one another. Being members of one another, and being disciples that’s hard work, there’s a lot of problems that have to be dealt with. So down through the centuries the system says “Well we don’t want to deal with the problem we’ll just leave the people alone they’ll come to church it’s okay if they don’t grow so much, it’s okay.” It’s not okay! If we have this passion this is a lot of hard work and it’s going to turn things upside down. I tell you what brother I believe there is tsunami tidal wave of revolution coming to the body of Christ. We are in a time I believe Sid of real apostolic and prophetic reformation and revolution in the body of Christ as things like… I’m not the only the one this thing, you know I’m catching the same wind that you are and many of men and women of God around the world are getting that are saying “God we’re doing things wrong, we’re not seeing the fruit.” What I’m sharing is just some of the little bits of insight that I’ve received and God is giving me more as I pray about this you know about how we’re supposed to be relating to one another all the time.

Sid: Howie, I must ask you a question.

Dr. Morgan: Sure.

Sid: Why do you keep referring to it as we are denying our Jewish roots, why don’t you just say what it is, Biblical roots?

Dr. Morgan: Right, well because I have a particular passion in my heart Sid that we get connected to our Biblical relationship and responsibility to the Jewish people. God spoke to me in a very profound way 15 years ago. Of course it’s absolutely our Biblical Jewish roots because we’re not talking about modern day Judaism, and modern day Orthodox, or Reform, or Liberal Judaism, we’re talking about our Biblical Jewish roots. We’re talking also about the Jewish people and the nation of Israel and being connected to the roots that then connect us to what God’s wanting to do with the nation of Israel.

Sid: You know Howie my question that I want to pose, and I want you Mishpochah to be kind of thinking about this. The call of the Jew was to be a light to the nations.

Dr. Morgan: Yes.

Sid: And we were, that’s why we have Christianity today. The call of the Gentile believer is to provoke the Jew to jealousy to reach the Jew so that the 2 can have the wall of separation come down and become that One New Race, that One New Man that Paul talks about. So that the full body can manifest in the glory of God can be poured out. So why wouldn’t the church want their Biblical Jewish roots, it makes no sense if the call is to reach the Jew why wouldn’t you want… I want you just to speculate on that. We’ll talk about this on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to hear the good news. Although this week we’re talking about the Israeli Palestinian situation that is so confusing to the world.  And should not but is so confusing to even Christians.  But we’re going to make some sense out of it because I have a Messianic Jewish Author Sandy Teplinsky. Speaking to her at her home in Anaheim, California.  She has a legal background but she wrote this book in such simplistic understanding from the subjective historical side which you must understand and from the spiritual side to understand.  Sandy I see the pictures of the suffering of the Palestinian people.  I was in Paris, France a couple of years ago and in the streets they shut down the street and a group of Palestinians had pictures of what they call the atrocities happening to their people from Israel.  And I saw such hatred its such venom towards Israel.  And as a true believer I have a love for the Arab people.  I have a love for and I have to say the so called Palestinian people. I see them as victims being used as victims being used by the greater Islamic world to accomplish their goal of forming a Palestinian State as a launching path to take over all of Israel.  But my heart goes out for those people; as a Believer what should our position be with these Palestinians?

Sandra: We have to know that God loves the Arabic people; and that Jesus died for them.  And if we love the Lord we must love the Arabic people and we must love Muslims.  You know that we can love the sinner but hate the sin.   And I believe that the Arabic people have a very high calling in God yet to be realized.  I think that they will be used of God to help evangelize the Jewish nation.  I think that we see glimpses of their redemptive gift already and redemptive destiny that I can’t go into right now but go in at much greater length in my book.  But even as the Lord prophesied that Ishmael would be a wild donkey that the sons of Ishmael someday would become like that gentle donkey that Yeshua rode into Jerusalem on.  And that they will be used to carry the very presence of God back to the Jewish people; back to Jerusalem.  And that there will be a day when the Jews and Arabs, who are really cousins you know if you go back historically Biblically, will once again embrace each other and  weep on each other’s neck like Jacob and Esau once did.

Sid:  But Sandy you and I know that this will never be done politically; this will never be done through a military.  This will only be done when Jew and Arab recognized the King of the Jews only.

Sandra:  That was exactly my next sentence; (Laughing) absolutely and so it’s incumbent on us as believer’s to pray, pray and pray. Because God is profoundly visiting the Muslim people.  We hear reports about supernatural visitations and…

Sid: Listen last week I took a taxi and the driver was from Jordan and he was Islamic and he was married to a Christian and he was separated ready to get a divorce.  And he takes the guy 2 hours; he’s an elderly man and the man tells him everything about his life.  Everything and he says “You must return to your wife.”  Jesus is real and told him personal things.

Sandra: Hm.

Sid: And then he takes him 2 hours to this taxi ride and the guy says “I don’t want to go here take me back.  And he takes him back another 2 hours and he continues to tell him everything personal about his life.  And there was a big conference going on in Charlotte, North Carolina and there were no hotel rooms but he finally after going to all these different hotels they find one room for this old man and they put him in the room. And he says I’ll pick you up in the morning.  The taxi driver comes in the morning and they say the old man never registered; there is no one here by that name. And the guy realized that it was an angel and he made Jesus his Lord.  These supernatural visitations are happening all over the place with Muslims.

Sandra:  Absolutely, we need to pray that will increase that God will continue to visit them.  And you know even the Israeli government has; Israeli officials have encouraged believers to witness the Muslim Arabs realizing that those that really do come to an understanding of what true Christianity is about with a relationship with the Lord Yeshua and inherence to His word cannot hate Israel.  But can only love Israel out of it’s love for Yeshua. And so we have placed a high priority of praying for the Arabs and on ministering to the Arab believers because they are much in need of our support and out encouragement.

Sid: Sandy how in the world is your premise of what is going on in Israel is going to be used to refine the Body of Messiah?

Sandra:  We have to understand Sid that how we treat Israel reflects how we would treat the Lord Yeshua Himself if He were here.  Now that’s quite a profound statement I realize for many people.  But the Lord spoke to me one day which I later confirmed through scripture study that in the parable of the sheep and the goats back in Matthew 25:40 when Yeshua says to His disciples that when He was in prison, when he was hungry, when he was sick; that those who ministered to His needs ministered to Him.  And as we do likewise to the least of his brothers we do so to Him.  That within the context of the story He is speaking of the last days, which increasingly seem to be our days.  And He is speaking fundamentally of His brothers according to the flesh, His brothers.  The plain and simple meaning of the word brothers. And so as we come into that especially as we come into that time we the Body of Messiah will be judged according to how we have treated the Jewish people.  We will be determined to be either sheep or goats.  And if you go back to the very first study Bible produced for the NIV, the International Version of the scriptures there’s  a very interesting note that states ultimately that whether or not a person is saved will be evidenced by his treatment of the Jewish people.

Sid: I mean how in the world could someone be anti-Semitic if they have the King of the Jews in their heart.  If the blood of the greatest Jew who ever lived is flowing through the heart of a Christian how can a Christian be anti-Jewish the two don’t connect.

Sandra:  Now the challenge is increasingly in our times it will be increasingly incorrect to stand with Israel.

Sid:  Now I must ask you this question; “Why is it a major Christian denomination said “We will not invest our pension money” and they have billions of dollars “in any company that does business with Israel.” A major Christian denomination, why is it that the World Council of Churches totally denounces Israel and is Pro-Palestinian that represents 400 million Christians?  Why these are Christians, why are they doing this Sandy?

Sandra: Israel is destined to be a dividing line in the last days Church.  And I believe that we need to be very sober about the admonishment of the scriptures on pertaining to our treatment of Israel and the warnings that God gives us.  Not just in a parable in Matthew but through prophets like Obadiah that our treatment of Israel will determine our standing with God.  Now we have an enemy Satan and so Satan hates the Jews and he knows that if he can annihilate Israel he can prevent Jesus return because Jesus is going to return to a Jewish nation in a Jewish capital to Jerusalem.  And so Satan is working night and day fighting tooth and nail to cause contention and division in the very people that God has intended to love and support Israel namely the church by causing them to not only fall from God’s commandments concerning His treatment of Israel.  But I believe also fall even from the Lord; fall away from the Lord.  And I would dare say that our relationship with the Lord that we need to seriously consider that in mistreating Israel we could possibly, very possibly fall away from the faith.  It’s that serious!

Sid: You mentioned Obadiah, would you paraphrase what Obadiah says.

Sandra:  Obadiah which is a wonderful 1 chapter book that I encourage everybody to read you can go through it in 5 minutes.  States that those who stand idly by while Israel is plundered by her enemies will be treated by God the same as He is going to treat her enemies.  In other words to just stand aloof is the word that scripture uses.

Sid: Look at all the countries that not just stood aloof but went against Israel throughout all the scripture; throughout all of history.  Take Great Britain and look what happened.  I mean they used to say that Great Britain had so much land throughout the world the sun was always on a portion of their land.  And now, look how small they are; what did they do?  They missed handled Israel.  But what you’re saying is that if you’re just neutral it’s horrible.

Sandra: You know what Sid I don’t say it God says it.   

Sid:  That’s even better!

Sandra:  Obadiah says it and he speaking to the Gentle nations. And of course all this stems back doesn’t it to the very fundamental principal of scriptures from Genesis 12:3 then God says “I will bless those who bless you.”  Speaking of the ethnic biological descendants of Abraham.  “And who ever curses you I will curse.”  And of course Isaac inherits that promised blessing and Jacob inherits that promised blessing.  And Jacob then becomes Israel and so the sons and daughters of Jacob are the Jewish people of today inherit that dynamic that those who bless them; those who curse them are cursed.  And we see nations who like Great Britain or Spain or the former Soviet Union cursing the Jews we inevitably see them cursed.  And it plays out not just on a national level but on a personal level.  Individuals who bless the Jewish nation will be blessed; and those who curse them will be cursed.

Sid: Sandy we’re out of time.

Sid: Guess what just as I said that someone’s was healed; someone with a headache the headache is gone in Jesus Name.  We’re getting ready Mishpochah to blow the grandest shofar; oh the grandest trumpet in Zion; we want everyone everywhere to hear the good news we want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah.  My guest by way of telephone is Pastor Michael Cameneti.  And He is pastor of Canton Christian Fellowship in Canton, Ohio.  Michael you are talking about a subject; you have written a book about a subject that is probably about. the most important subject that a Bible Believer can hear at this precise moment in history.  And I really believe that it’s part of a prophecy that was given several years ago by Dr. Kenneth Hagin.  I heard this prophecy but there was a part on 2005.  There are people that give prophesies and in there are prophets of God.  And Dr. Kenneth Hagin was a Prophet of God he’s now in Heaven but his words go on.  And I wonder if you have that in front of you if you could read exactly what he prophesied would occur in the year 2005.

Michael: Sure, Sid it is great to be on your program.  The prophecy went like this: 2005 Brother Hagin starts to prophecy and in fact he begins to weep.  And he asked the Lord it says this “Will time last or will time cease.”  And then he says this “It will be a year of judgment” and he actually reemphasizes that judgment.  And then he said “If we judge ourselves we will not be judged.”  And of course that’s a scripture 1^st Corinthians 11:31.  Then he goes into that when we are judged we are turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit might be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus.”  In fact that’s another scripture out of 1^st Corinthians 5.  Then he says “There will be judgment on the individual realm; judgment in the family realm and then judgment on the national level.  A day of sternness; a day of discipline; a day of correction but the end of the year will be glorious.  But yes amends will be made; many will judge themselves and nations will turn to God and it will end 2005 in a glorious manner.”  So I believe this prophecy and I believe in our church personally that we’re pasturing in here in ` that we are teaching right now to our church members to get ready for 2005.  I’m doing a series right now that goes really along with a book that we’ve written called “The Missing Ingredient to Success.”  This book is about the fear of the Lord and fearing God; which is a subject that we don’t hear a lot about…

Sid: And you know judging on what is going on in the church and I’m talking about homosexuality; divorce; addictions of all kinds.  There is no fear of God obviously, and Christians I liken it to when someone has been a non-Christian their whole life and then they have a revelation of who Jesus is they are on fire for God. They are red hot for God, but it seems as though the things that go on in this life, the problems, the business that the fire has gone out on many Christians.

Michael: It’s very true.  And in fact Jesus said this in Revelation’s Chapter 3 and John’s writing and Jesus said “I know your works.”  And actually in the Greek it says “I know them first hand; I know them intimately; I know exactly what you’re doing first hand.”  So God knows what we’re doing; Jesus knows what we’re doing on this earth right now for Him.  And it says “That thou are neither cold or hot.” Now this is written to specifically a church; written to the pastor of that church.  John obviously delivered it to them; they read it to that church.  The church was not hot nor cold but Jesus said “I would rather have you hot or cold; but He says that “Because you are lukewarm; neither hot nor cold I’m going to spew.”  Or the Greek says “I’m going to vomit you out of my mouth.”  That’s not a pleasant thought for any of us we don’t want that to happen in our lives or with Jesus.  But I am seeing a trend in the church in the local churches overall not just in our church that people are not on fire.  I came out of the world; I came out of getting saved from doing things that were pretty much not good and not always want to talk about.  I was not living for God and I didn’t know Him but I got born again and asked Jesus into my heart and I got on fire for God.  I’ve had to work to keep that; I think that Christians think that it’s just an automatic thing.  I’ve had to stay in fellowship with Him.  Stay in His word, stay praying, stay in church.  And through those things it’s kept me on fire for God. But a lot of Christians have lost that fire and my desire is to get them back to where they get their first love.  Like Revelations Chapter 2 Jesus is wring to a wonderful Church; the Church at Ephesus.

Sid: But guess what; it’s more serious than that Michael; I mean if Kenneth Hagin was a prophet of God which both of us believe he was.

Michael:  Yes.

Sid: It’s very serious.  Let me ask you a few questions on that prophecy.

Michael:  Sure.

Sid: Number 1 he talked about it was almost he posed this question: “Will time last or will time cease?”  In other words what he was seeing he almost questioned as to whether this was it.

Michael:  Right, he obviously you know saw something that made him wonder is this going to be it because of what happens. And of course judgments not a popular subject, that’s for sure, and especially not in the church because we do live in the age of grace; we live in the church age.  But I think people have forgotten even in the Book of Acts or even in the New Testament that there were times that judgment came.  I think that we forgot about that. And judgment is not to put us into fear; I don’t believe that this prophecy was giving so that Christians will be afraid of 2005; they’ll be afraid to enter it. In fact a brother that I heard ministering he said this “God’s not running out of mercy; God’s running out of time.” So I believe that the prophets of the land are saying and I believe that seeing what we’re seeing right now in the land that the end is coming.  And obviously, Brother Hagin must have seen something that he was thinking is this going to be it because this judgment is coming.

Sid: Well, he was weeping it had to be horrific.

Michael:  Yes.

Sid: But he talked about judging of the individual; the family and the nation.  What do you think he meant by the individual?

Michael: Individual I believe it’s personal.  Where us as believer’s can do something; in fact this is what I’m teaching on Sunday mornings that we can do something to avoid judgment in our own person lives. There are some adjustments you can make in your Christian life.

Sid: I want to cover a little of that this week and that’s all we can do is just a little of that.  What about family?  What do you think he meant by family, judgments in the family?

Michael:  Well, in America at this time they say “Whether it’s in the church or whether it’s outside of the church the divorce rate is at 50%.  Some people have said that it’s actually higher in the church it’s at 51%, but regardless of whether that’s true or not we know marriages are having an attack people are getting divorced.  I believe that God’s saying that as family’s to say “No” to the trend that’s in the world which is divorce. And God doesn’t like divorce; God doesn’t want us to get divorced.  Now he loves people and he loves the people that still get divorce, but what he wants to see is for these families to stay together.  We understand that it’s causing children to have problems; it’s causing the family to have problems; it’s causing the families to have a pressure; it’s causing wives to have problems. And so what we want to see and I believe what God wants to see and I believe what this meant on a family realm is that we get the family’s walking with God.  Let’s get them back to church and back into the things of God so that we don’t see judgment come on families individually.

Sid: And what do you think he meant when he prophesied of national judgment.

Michael:   Well, national judgment I don’t believe it’s just for America but I do believe America is up for judgment like any other country because we see in the word of God that there’s going to be a judgment of nations.  I believe America has to step up and say we are a Christian nation; we were definitely founded on those facts and on those ways and principals.  So we have to come back to God as a nation; so we have things like gay marriage rights that are we going to allow that or not. America’s going to have to vote on these things and what about abortion. These are things that God would definitely not be happy with in our country.  The level of sin and how things have come out of the closet and there are all kinds of things that are accepted. I believe America has to judge itself and if it doesn’t this prophecy says that there will be judgment on a national level. We don’t know exactly how that will work or exactly what it’s going to be.  But He does say that America, or not America specifically, but nations are going to be judged.

Sid: You know I hate to be pessimistic but I just don’t have the faith for a national turning to God.  I just believe that throughout history; throughout scripture when the sins reach a certain point judgment is inevitable; it can’t even be stopped.

Michael: We’re all familiar with the Old Covenant in the Old Testament. And in the Old Testament the children of Israel when we read the Book of Kings, 1^st Kings, 2^nd Kings we even read other books that are in there like Judges, we find out that the children of Israel kept on leaving God.  Their leadership their Kings kept on turning from God.  And when things go to a certain level when they would turn their hearts away from God judgment would come and then their hearts would turn back to God.  And we are different them them; we have God now living in us we’re born again; we have a new spirit on the inside.  They didn’t have necessarily that they were believing on the one that was going to come.  But as America as a nation there are times for a nation that judgment has to come so that that nation will turn back to God because they’re not going to necessarily do it by our preaching or by what they’re hearing us say.  Now there are many believers in this nation; we have more mega-churches in the country than we’ve ever had. More people attending those kind of churches. But there are a lot of people that are un-churched or are not going to church or backslidden that need to come back to God.

Sid: Now on that prophecy it sounded like 2005 would end wonderfully because of what…

Michael: The end it says “Amends shall be made many will judge themselves,” so obviously people do the right thing, “nations will turn to God,” and he actually laughs at that point, and then he says “it will end in a glorious manner.”      

Sid: Michael we’re out of time right now we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:   We want everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah; the truth of the matter is that most of us don’t even know what red hot for the Messiah means. Where are our role models?  Here in this unreal moment in history called 21^st Century America; where the average person lives like a king of former generations.  Where we don’t know what persecution is for the gospel.  Where we have more Bibles per square Christian than any country that has ever existed.  We have more tapes, more Christian teachings, more Christian television, radio, more church buildings; but something is missing.  And I have a gentleman on the telephone that knows what’s missing.  His name is Kevin Turner; President of Strategic World Impact.  He works in 3 areas: war zones; disaster areas, and where Christians are being persecuted.  I’ve caught up with him at his base in Sudan, Africa.  And he’s there with his family; his wife and his 3 children.  His daughter we found out yesterday almost lost her life and she pleaded when they wanted to get on the first plane out of there “Dad I want to stay here!”  Kevin you were talking about a 3^rd World Country that some American’s said “What can we pray for you; what did they say?”

Kevin: Oh they were actually being asked… this was actually in Vietnam with of course massive persecution from the Communist Party there of any type of what they would call unsanctioned church activity, in other words, where the Holy Spirit is moving. It was so amazing because they’re being asked if they you know wanted the envoys to bring back a message of “Should we have the American church pray for open borders and that everything would open up for you?” And almost in horror they said “Oh, no pray instead that we have open heavens!”  And in that response you see the difference of why the church is growing in Vietnam like wild fire and why it’s stagnating in America. Because what they realize is that it’s about a spiritual blessing.  In America we have this mentality of “I will have it and I will have it now; I will have heaven on earth I will not have delayed gratification; I will not endure hardship; I will not suffer loss.”  The average Christian in America if I tell them that my daughter was attacked and we stayed they look at me as if I’m a horrible father because I would subject my family to that.  And instead what we have is we have the blessing of the presence of Jesus comforting us.  And you know what me and my wife did, and some people might find this unbelievable; but we gathered hands in our bedroom and we prayed. We said “Jesus you loaned these children to us and we give them back to You; and God You know our hearts would be utterly broken but if You see fit that their lives be taken then we give all glory to You.”  Now to some people that’s incomprehensible; but when you meet the King of Glory in the way that He’s touched my heart no price in my hand I bring simply to the cross I cling.”  I love Him!

Sid: Mishpochah you’re not listening to a man talking theory; you’re listening to a man that because of his work for the gospel in these areas that are terrorist based there have been contracts for his life.  Tell me about one circumstance.

Kevin:  Well, we actually were up in area north eastern Sudan where Osama Bin Laden  had his hide out terrorist training camp for 2 ½ years.  We actually showed in fact CBN Christian broadcasting showed the video.  We showed the Jesus film on the wall of Bin Laden’s former compound.  We were sharing it there in a Muslim Islamic training school sharing the Jesus film on the wall there.  It was utterly divine!  And because of our continued work in this heavily just fundamentalist Islamic area of course it’s aroused attention.  The Saudis out wonderful friends have; the backed the money they put up half a million dollars for a Jihad faction group.

Sid: Does it bother you when, and I know you said that tongue and cheek, but does it bother you that the US has friends so much to speak in bed with Saudi Arabia?

Kevin:  Oh you have no idea and working so much in the Middle East I know see and learn so much of the if you want to call it the conspiracy against America.  And what I mean against America I mean because they can’t differentiate between a born again believer and then Madonna who wears a cross and then dances nude.  They don’t understand the difference.  And so it’s a target against America in their mind is a target against Christianity.  And that was the same reason that 3 and many terrorists came to take up this half a million dollar fatwa that was put on my head this contract and kill me. Well for 5 years working in this area we’d been reaching out to this other Muslim tribe that’s unreached and we built great friendships with them.  And in the midst of that they spared my life because while I was out there with my family these 3 terrorists came through the desert coming to kill us.  They had our ID badges; they knew what they were and they knew my name the whole shot.  And they captured by this Muslim tribe; well two of them were interrogated and beaten so badly I couldn’t meet with them.  But I did meet with one of the 3; this man was blindfolded in a hut with his arms tied behind his back and let me meet with him way out in the desert.

Sid: Now why did 1 Muslim tribe beat up these terrorists?

Kevin:  Because they wanted to know what they were about and as they were trying to find out they found out that they come to kill me and I’m their friend.

Sid: Hm.

Kevin:   And they’re thinking they wait a second this guy has spent 5 years on the front-lines with us risking his life; bringing food, medicine and help to us.  He’s actually prayed for rain and in the midst of a 4 year famine it rained in 20 minutes.  I mean we have seen incredible things where we’ve joined hands; we walked outside of a Bedouin hut and they said their greatest need was rain. And I said “Look I know the rain maker” I said please I have a small team my wife was at my side.  We walked out from this Bedouin hut after drinking a big slug of camel’s milk.  And we joined hands and there’s not a cloud in the sky and it’s about 120 degrees 4 year drought.  We joined hands and said “Jesus glorify Yourself and if it be Your will send rain on these people” And within 10 minutes the sky was clouding and overgrowing black; in within 20 minutes there was such a hellacious downpour that my truck got stuck several times just trying to get back out to our base.

Sid: Hmm, so let’s take you back to that hut these terrorists; Muslim extremist terrorists.  Their terrorists they’re always extremists.  They were sent there to kill you; your Muslim friends caught him beat them up and you now are in front of one that was sent to kill you; what happened?

Kevin:  Well, he’s there blindfolded and I’m asking him questions and he said “He had come to kill an enemy of Islam.”  He didn’t know that it was me asking him the questions and finally I said “Do you know whose questioning you?’  And I said I’m the man that you were sent to kill.  He immediately began to tremble and I put my head on his hand and I said, “I want to explain to you the difference between Islam and Christianity. In Islam you’re taught to hate and kill; in Christianity we’re taught to love and lay down our lives.  I said “I can’t let you go and I can’t keep you that’s not in my power but the power I have I give.”  I said “In the name of Jesus Christ I forgive you of this sin and I beg God to forgive you now in Jesus Name.”  This man began to utterly weep; he was begging in Arabic crying out for mercy.  One of the men smashed him in the forehead with his AK47 because and they began to stomp on him because he was crying, and they pushed me out of the hut.  I began to scream and holler and I said “Stop beating this man,” He hears me pleading on his behalf when he’d been sent to kill me.  When I went back into the hut he was on his knees and he staggered was crawling on his knees and his arms are tied behind his back.  When he did he fell forward no arms to stop him his forehead landed on the tops of the soul of my shoe.  Then immediately the Lord spoke to me (crying) He said “Surely the Lord will make your enemy a footstool.”  And instantly I realized that Jesus loved this man so much that he allowed him to come to try and kill me that there in the mud hut in Sudan I could lay my head on his hand and pray the Holy Spirit touch him and share the gospel with him.  And I thought this is how you set Paul the Apostle free; this is how you desire to seek and save that which was lost.  And I thought Jesus You’d send a terrorist to kill me just so he’d be blessed to hear the message of good news.  Over and over again for the last 15 years of my life I’ve seen one miracle after another by just simply walking with Jesus.  It’s amazing.

Sid: You’re listening to Kevin Turner President of Strategic World Impact.  I’m speaking to him at his base just outside of the Sudan area in Africa.  Kevin why did you do this special teaching we call it “Kevin’s Teaching” that we’re making available this week?

Kevin:  Well, it was a burden that was on my heart and I believe of course put there by the Lord.  I call it compliance of principal; and it’s this infection that has seeped into the church.  And what scares me is the fact that we’ve been inoculated and we can’t even get the disease anymore.  Now were blinded; it’s not simply that we turn a deaf ear we can’t even hear it any more.  And basically I just challenge the believer to say “What is the discipleship truly mean?” Could it be so radical as laying down your life and it’s about living your life in simple compliance to the letter of the law or living your life in principal through love?” There is a puritan proverb that says “Love binds without a cord and it rules without a sword.”

Sid: We’re out of time.

Sid: If you have been following Messianic Vision for anytime that I favorite book of the Bible is the book of Esther. And as that famous line as Mordecai told Esther “Who knows that you’ve not been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this.”  If there has ever been a time in the history of planet Earth where it is life critical for each individual to get in touch with the King, it’s now.  And I am so excited because the gentleman that I have interviewed previously has an aspect of Esther which right now is the most important aspect for you to understand because it’s something that he has been living for so many years.  His name is Tommy Tenney he’s the author of the multimillion dollar series “The God Chasers.”  And Tommy, I remember I interviewed you a number of years ago.  You were minding your own business preaching at a church and the pulpit was struck with lightning and broke in half.  But I have to ask you this question, I know that you’ve been a believer many years; come from a Godly family; you love the Lord many years but was there a moment when there was a release of the presence of God that other people perceived at a much… it was almost like going from outside where it’s hot to inside in air conditioning; was there such a moment?

Tommy: In the aftermath of the visitation that precipitated the manifestation that you spoke about the pulpit that was not what was primary in that service.  It did happen; there were 800 plus people in the service that day.  I very rarely speak about it in the past 10 years or so since it happened; I may have publicly mentioned it 5 times. But that service was so strongly visited by the presence of God that the pulpit and the splitting did not leave an imprint on my life but the presence of God that was there was is what left the imprint.  And I would have to say that would have been my… you know David was anointed to be King many years before he was crowned by the people.  I had been called; I had been in ministry for I don’t know nearly 20 years or close to 20 years at that point.  And had been successful by normal standards but that’s like suddenly I went from a prop engine plane to a jet engine plane.  And I was saying the same things that I had said before but having greater impact; and that’s just the favor of the Lord.

Sid: I know that when it comes to spiritual things many times it’s difficult to answer but have you got any idea as to why it happened so dramatically on that particular day and then ever since.

Tommy: You know I probably do but I’m different then probably some people in that I have a mental file that says I don’t know and I don’t need to know.  People ask me “What did that mean?”  I don’t know, I don’t need to know all I know is I had an encounter with God and I personally have not been the same.  I don’t try to read too much into it; I don’t try to interpret it I just say “You know what God became real that day.”

Sid: Well Tommy, I believe that this week that’s what many of our listeners are going to say “God became real.” Now you have written a number of books having to do with Esther but the thing that excites me the most is that you are coming out with a motion picture.  By faith you believe that it will be out in October called “One night with the King.”  What’s the purpose of the picture?

Tommy:  Well, the purpose of the picture is pretty simple.  God just spoke to me to reach people in different ways.  Typically I write non-fiction books; God Chasers was a non-fiction book.  And every other book even including the book that birthed this Esther series “Finding favor with the King.”  But God spoke to me and said “You’re basically reaching Christians and challenged me to write a fiction book which I did Hadassah one night with the King.  And from that it turned into the movie “One Night with the King.”  It’s very simple Sid because there are people who will never come here me speak; who will not go into the Christian corner of the bookstore and pick up a Christian.  But they’ll to the fiction section and pick up a fiction book.  And it’s a fictionalized account of Esther and there’s even more that will walk into a movie theater.  They will not go to church but they’ll basically let me preach the same message about Esther through a different way.  And here’s a real amazing fact; when Satan wants to change or impact our society he does not preach behind a pulpit he most often preaches from the TV screen or the movie screen and he impacts most of the culture.  He doesn’t do it with an altar call; I’ve never yet seen anyone at the end of a movie say when the movie ends say “Okay now bow your head and lift your hands; whose going to commit adultery this week; whose going to do this or that?”  He tells the story and it impacts the culture.  And the Lord spoke to me to say “You do the same thing.” The Message Bible in Matthew 13 Jesus said when the disciples said “Why do you tell stories?”  He said “I tell stories to nudge people receptive insight.”

Sid: Hmm, I like that.

Tommy:  And the Lord just spoke to me that was his method and if I wanted to reach another group of people I didn’t necessarily preach at them but I would just tell the story and the same.  And so in the fiction book and in the movie and the teaching book that you and I are going to talk about the same message is there but it’s just presented in a different way.

Sid: Tommy out of curiosity the Lord impressed upon you to write the book Hadassah.  How did it get from a book to a movie?  What’s the shorthand version?

Tommy:  Well, first of all when the Lord spoke to me to write the fiction book I said “I really don’t know how to do that.”  And He said “Well, you didn’t know how to do a lot of things just start.”  And the same way when I was obedient and was very diligent and did the best job I knew how it was like God breathed on it and said “Because of your obedience.”  And within 1 year when the book came out; no I’m sorry, when the book was still in manuscript form they had already picked up the option for it to become a movie.  And I need to clarify something Sid.  This is not a Velveeta movie this is no cheesy Christian movie.  This has Omar Sharif; Peter O’Toole; two of the major actors from “Lord of the Rings” on and on.”  This is the same people who cast “The Passion” movie.  Academy Award Winning Editors.  It is incredibly shot; filmed on location in India and what would look like an ancient Persian palace.  This is a movie you will not be embarrassed to bring your friends to.  This is a movie that will be embraced by Jewish culture as well as Christian culture.

Sid: Well, I’d like to be with you at the premier in Jerusalem; is there such a thing.

Tommy:  Well in fact, last week we negotiated some of those pieces and ironically “The Passion” movie has never been shown in Israel and may never be shown because of the controversy.  But we are already being besieged and we’re not sure who will distribute it 20^th Century Fox is negotiating and Warner and various people.  But I am positive that it will be shown in Israel.

Sid: Tommy I feel a tremendous presence of God on this interview right now.  I felt that same presence of God in your book “Finding Favor with the King.”  Why should a Christian read the book; “Finding Favor with the King.”  What is your objective for everyone that reads this book?

Tommy:  Let me tell you how the whole concept was birthed.  I was preaching and as is my primary purpose in preaching I preach about the presence of God how to get into it; how to stay in it; the road map. So that people become familiar; God wants you to be in His presence.  One night while in Pasadena, California I made this statement while searching for a way to explain to people that just as Esther had spent 12 months preparing for her encounter with the King; that our preparation would lead us to an encounter with the King.  And to not be concerned that sometime it would take some time, or sometime it seems like circumstances prepared us for that encounter.  And I made this statement “It’s okay because one night with the King can change everything.”  And you talked about the anointing level changed; at that moment Sid; at that very moment it’s like God just turned the volume up on my message.  I’m not talking about the PA system got louder; but the word of God impacted the audience that night and it has continued to reverberate.  That one night with the King can change everything.  Esther started off a peasant; there wasn’t a day that she walked into the palace a peasant; actually her name was Hadassah at that point.  And when she entered the Kings palace it was changed to Esther.  Sid do you know that that it’s possible for people have such an encounter with the King that they may as well change their name because their destiny will be so different.

Sid: Well, Tommy that’s you; you’re telling me that the average person listening to us right now can read this book and have their night with the King?

Tommy:  That’s why I use Esther.  Esther 2 in the Bible tells us that Esther was an orphan; that she was not only an orphan she was foster child adopted by what we call her uncle.  And that she was also what many people overlook.  She was a minority.  She was a Jew living in Persia.  The deck was stacked against her Sid.  If Esther can find favor she is the role model that no matter who you are don’t let your past hold your future hostage.

Sid: And don’t you forget what he just said; don’t let that past hold your future hostage.

Sid: I want to read to you a mother’s story about her son; let me read this to you:

No mother should have to see her vibrant athletic college age son fitted for a wheelchair but I did.  At 6’1” and 180 pounds Jordan was in incredible shape and on fire for God; he was full of energy and loved life and then he got very sick.  After a series of antibiotics Jordan went back to college weighing 150 pounds.  Before long he showed up at our door weighing only 135 pounds with a 105 degree fever.  My husband and I looked at Jordan and thought “My goodness what’s wrong with our son.” He wasn’t the same person he could barely walk and many times he’d faint just walking to the bathroom.  No one was able to diagnosis Jordan until we found a doctor familiar with his symptoms.  He looked at Jordan and immediately said “Your son has Crones disease.”  Jordan’s health went downhill from there.  He progressively got sicker and lost more weight and his hair began falling out. It was a mother’s worst nightmare; we tried many doctors, drugs and natural therapies; nothing seemed to work.  I remember when Jordan had his first upper GI series; as he walked to the x-ray room looking like a very wick old man he fainted and fell to the floor.  Later towards the end when we really thought we might lose him Jordan asked me to take his picture.  It was hard to even look at him much less take a picture of him.  I wanted to tell him “Don’t wear shorts” it hurts me to see his bony legs and joints.  He was just skin and bones.  A few of my friends told me “You have to let him go.”  I’m not a negative person but it was hard to watch my effervescent son have the life sucked out of him.  I just cried my eyes out and kept praying for a miracle.  I remember weeping all the way back from Germany and praying “Take care of my son he’s in Your hands; I give him to you Lord I have no other choice.”  It was one of the most difficult and greatest things I have ever done.  It was just a few months later that Jordan tried a primitive version of what he now calls “The Maker’s Diet” for one week.  I will never forget the day he smiled and told me “Mom, I’m going to get well.”  This was the first time I remember Jordan smiling in over a year.  On that momentous day Jordan was right and God was faithful.  Phyllis Rubin   

I’m reading from a book called “The Makers Diet.”  It’s been on the New York Times Bestsellers List for 16 weeks.  And I have the author the son of Mrs. Rubin, Dr. Jordan Rubin from his office in West Palm Beach, Florida.  I also have Janie DuVall the Producer of Messianic Vision on for this week because Janie is on “The Maker’s Diet.”  Jordan you are a Messianic Jew; a Jewish Believer in Jesus.  I think that your mother really described what was going on in that horrific time in your life.

Jordan: You know Sid it was almost hard for me to listen to that because of course it’s my story, but it almost reminds me of how important our health is and how it doesn’t just affect us when we lose that health.  I can remember during my illness which my mother described very well the feeling of not only living in this prison that was my own body and not being able to recognize myself and really hating the body that I was living in, but the anguish and the pain that I caused my parents and my grandparents and my friends. It was almost too much to handle, and boy it just makes me want to thank God for not only what He did for me and my life but for doing that for my family.  I can tell you from watching my mother suffer and watching my father suffer and my grandmother and all the people that stood by me.  God worked a miracle and it wasn’t just for me it was for so many of us. And that’s why as we share prayer requests so many people prayed for me and it was a miracle in so many of their lives too.  And that’s what my life is about today.

Sid: Jordan I have to interrupt you for a minute; I am looking in your book on page 21 and Janie take a look at this.

Janie:  Yes.

Sid: I know that you’ve seen this before but look again.  This is a picture of what Jordan looked like; you look like you were coming right out of a concentration camp.

Janie:  That’s what people have said to him; it’s so… skin and bones.

Sid:  But you know what…

Janie: Down to what 104 pounds.

Sid: But you know what Jordan what you went through caused a search and that search results… I mean most people are not in a life threatening situation health wise. You were as critical as a person could get. However, most people are going to end up with critical diseases if they don’t get the information that you found in your search.

Jordan: I couldn’t agree more; I think today we’re in the worst health in this country and this world than we’ve ever been. Research now shows that 1 out of 3 children that were born after the year 2000 that includes my son are likely to develop type II diabetes.  And those with Type II diabetes before they’re 15 years old have an average of 17 to 27 years robbed of life as a result.  Do you hear what I just said? 1 out of 3.

Sid:  Look someone that is called to preach the gospel what a tragedy after God has invested all that time in them and then because of lack of knowledge and nutrition they die prematurely.

Jordan: Well, it’s what Isaiah 4:6 says “That my people perish for a lack of knowledge; but because you have rejected the knowledge so will I reject you and the future generations.”  So God is saying His people.  He’s not talking about the world; the unbelieving world; He’s talking about His people.  I share this message in churches and organizations to people all over the world and I say the same thing. If our life belongs to God; He created us; He knows what is best for us.  If we don’t live a lifestyle that He created us to live we’re not only short circuiting what we can do we are robbing from Him.  And what you said couldn’t be more true.  People that God invests in; He bought us with a great price His only Son.  We owe it to Him to offer back our bodies as a living sacrifice; that boils down my message in 1 verse Romans 12:1.  And it’s appropriate for everybody whether they’re ill like I was, or whether they just want a better lifestyle for themselves and their family.

Sid: Jordan tell me briefly how many doctors; how many different products; how much money did you invest? Obviously you prayed and you were looking for either God to sovereignly heal you or give you direction in what to do.  But I think that you tried every diet and every alternative thing that’s out there.

Jordan:  I tried most of them and during my search we went to 13 conventional doctors because I was medically and critically ill.  Since that didn’t work we visited about 57 alternative practitioners which makes 70 altogether.  I tried about 500 treatments and not counting the medical bills just on the alternative health care out of pocket expenses cost my family about $150,000.  But the key was, the kicker there, is that it didn’t work and that landed me in a wheelchair.  What God did for me cost very little.  This plain is something everybody can follow and really “The Makers Diet” is for everybody.  And I thank God every day that he chose to heal me with a plan from his word not ones of those other treatments but God does not waste our pain.  It’s a saying I just heard recently; and everything that I experienced in my life is for a reason and God wants to use what I’ve gone through so that anyone listening to this program right now can take hold of the message. God wants us healthy but more than that, He gives us a way to have abundant life on this earth really as it is in heaven.

Sid: But I have to ask you a question; that is a very bold title that you have for your book “The Makers Diet” why do you call it that?

Jordan: Well fortunately for me after trying all the diets that man came up with it wasn’t until someone told me that I could find a health plan to save my life in the pages of the Bible.  In the pages of the book that I read every single day for spiritual health and then I’d put that way and I read my health book for physical health.  But I realized that God has it all in one book.  And “The Maker’s diet is entirely taken from the premise that the Bible gives us everything we need for our life.  Now the Bible is a book about the spiritual lives and the physical lives of God’s people throughout history.  By taking that information following it throughout history and looking at it through a scientific lens that is where “The Makers Diet” came into being.  And “The Maker Diet” is very much the same as the original 40 day period that I took what was left of my body and gave it over to God and followed this plan…

Sid: But wait a second; all of us are different and great you found a plan that would get you healed but what about everyone; everyone is a little different.  Someone says 1 vitamin they take it and they say “It’s the most wonderful thing in the world.”  Someone else takes that same vitamin and it does nothing for them.

Jordan:  Well, we’re certainly living in confusing times and I say it all the time “You can hear one day that something’s great for you, and the next day you can read about it and it can kill you.”

Sid: Alright, let me ask Janie she has been into your diet and talking about it non-stop. Tell me about it Janie, what’s going on with you?

Janie: You know if you would told me a year ago that there’s another diet that I could try that’s very healthy I would have thought I had tried everything.  I tried all the whole vegetarian thing; so when I picked up his book and I really read it and I started doing what it said.  This to me is the bottom line; the bottom is the food that we’re eating today is making our bodies inflamed.  We’re not digesting our food; and why because it’s all processed, it’s all… it’s not the way God intended it to be.  But in this last 100 years of money making and you know fast food all of the food is… there’s no enzymes there’s nothing in it that’s healthy.  And the bottom line is that if we could digest the food the food that God made then we would not be inflamed; we would not be getting cancer and heart disease and all these sicknesses.

Sid: Bottom line what’s happening to Janie?

Janie: I’ll tell you when I’m staying on it I haven’t been perfect yet but when I’m staying on it the weight is coming off of me.  I have more energy; I mean I feel really really great.

Sid: How about your sleep?

Janie:  My sleep has been great with it.

Sid: You think that this is reason that you’re sleeping better.

Janie: Oh, absolutely when I’m on it my sleep is great and when I go off and everybody offers me all these delicacies as they say then it causes havoc.

Sid: Janie, forget weight loss for a moment; forget a dread disease which you don’t have; but if it’s going to be a better quality of life with more energy and not get those dread diseases then that makes sense to me.

Sid:  Mishpochah and it means family; isn’t that what God’s all about He’s building a family see God has a Father’s heart of love and He wants to be your Father.  He loves you so much; if no one has ever told you this before I tell you right now in God’s eyes you are special.  And you say “Well Sid you don’t know what I did.”  Well, that’s okay you don’t know what I did.  The truth is no one knows what I did where it counts in Heaven.  Why, because I’ve truly repented of my sins. And I truly believe the blood of Jesus washed it away.  And I truly believe the word that says “I am the righteousness of God in Messiah Jesus.”  And it’s as if I’ve never sinned.  That’s why it’s so wonderful, you see as a traditional Jew coming from a traditional Jewish background, I would pray and fast for my sins to be atoned, covered on Yom Kippur.  But that just meant that they were covered, they were not washed away like they never existed.  And then I read in my own Jewish scriptures in Jeremiah chapter 31 verse 31 that a New Covenant would come to our Jewish people in which there would be 2 things that would occur.  Number 1 God says “Rather than cover your sins; I will remember your sins no more.”  That means God literally has no remembrance of my past.  That means when He sees me He sees His Son Jesus inside of me.  And I am the righteousness of God in Messiah Jesus, but the 2^nd thing was even more exciting.  He said under this New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 there were 2 things that He would remember our sins no more; but number 2 we would know Him.  We would have intimacy with Him.  We would hear His voice; we would have a purpose we couldn’t complete our destiny and when we die we’ll just slip out of this earth suit and be with Him forever.  That happens to be good news.  I have a man on the telephone that is living actually a normal life; but abnormal when you compare him to 21^st century American Christianity.  But this is just normal; I mean he is a Vascular Surgeon; he prays for his patients before he operates and many times he’ll have a vision from God on what to do.  David, I happen to believe that that’s better than any x-ray you possibly could get.

David:  Oh absolutely.

Sid:  I have David Remedious on and Dr. Remedious is a Vascular Surgeon. We’ll have at least one of his former patients on the air that actually had a creative miracle because not only does he do surgery as God directs but God actually creates organs that aren’t supposed to be there.  And there is no other explanation but it’s a miracle.  On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that you came from a real tough background and you’re on the streets at age 13 in Bronx New York fending for yourself.  And if you didn’t learn to heart the voice of God I probably wouldn’t be speaking to you right now. I mean New York is a rough place today; but I imagine that it was pretty rough when you were in the streets of the Bronx.

David: I believe it was rougher back then. (Laughing) But yes Sir it was just a testimony to the keeping and the saving power of God.

Sid: Now what are your credentials by the way medically?

David: Oh I’ve graduated from New York University School of Medicine. But of course before that I went to undergraduate to Hobart College in Geneva, New York, then did my post graduate degree at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas. Then at the University of South Florida and Tampa.

Sid: Now you speak at National Medical Conferences; what do you usually speak on?

David:  I speak on wound healing; I speak on nutrition and I speak on of course vascular surgery also.

Sid: Well David on yesterday’s broadcast we pretty much told everyone about your background.  Do you remember the first time as a surgeon you had a vision of what to do; the very first time?

David:   There was a man that came into my office and he came in because there was something; a headache. So clear the Holy Spirit told me “No, he also has a hernia in his belly button.”  And I’m blank and I’m going like… I’m trying to think and I’m looking at the man.  And I said “Sir would you please lift up your shirt I need to look at your belly button.” (Snickering) That’s kind of odd.

Sid: Excuse me he hadn’t mentioned that he had a hernia.

David:  Oh, absolutely not.

Sid: But if someone has a hernia they know that they have a hernia.

David:  (Laughing) Yeah.

Sid: (Laughing) So he did mention that he had a headache and you said “Let’s look at your belly button.”  Do you all ways act this way?  (Laughing) I’m just teasing; go ahead.

David:  (Laughing) Well, I believe that God as we yield to God that He will just use us in whatever field we’re doing in our normal everyday lives that God has done.  Not so limited to the realm of church but that in churches that we go to celebrate Him; but church is what we literally happens in our daily lives with our families and our jobs.  He said “We are led; we are called to be both natural and supernatural at the same time.  And that there shouldn’t be any blurring or any line that divides it we’re both.  And so when we invite God into our lives He just works anywhere and anywhere.  So that man had a need and He revealed to me what was going on and so I just obeyed.  That’s just the end of that; that’s just the way God is; God is awesome, He’s extraordinary.

Sid: So you look at his belly button and then what?

David:  And sure enough there was a hernia.  He was looking at me and said “How did you know I had that?  I said, “Well, I just knew.” (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

David:  (Laughing) how do you explain.  Or of the case of a lady that came in and the moment she came in and she came in for something in her arm and the Holy Spirit showed me a vision of a tumor in her right breast.  And I said “Mam I feel that we need to check…” a lot of time when the Holy Spirit shows me I say “Well, when was your last breast examination?” And of course let’s get a mammogram and sure enough that’s what it was.

Sid: Wait a second, was that like news to her when you said.

David:  Yeah, oh yeah.

Sid: So did you have a vision of this or did you hear it?  What.

David:   Yeah, I saw it; I had a vision of it.  I saw the tumor literally.  And so I just told her…

Sid: Well, listen I understand this mammogram is a painful procedure.  I think that every doctor in the world ought to work in gifts in the Spirit.

David:  (Laughing) Praise God. I confirmed obviously with a mammogram because we need to always be particularly that we make sure that we’ve done everything correctly and for the right reasons.  You know that’s the thing about the gifts of the Spirit; someone that moves in the gifts of the Spirit is not afraid of the scrutiny of science.  God is not afraid to be scrutinized God confirms what He does and that’s the beauty of this whole thing.

Sid: Okay, so David there’s a couple that sued you over a piece of Real Estate so you might say you were not in the best relationship.  They did happen to be Christians and you get a phone call from the husband.  I’m talking about the Saps; what happened?

David:  Oh yes sir I do remember that (Laughing) yes I do.  My first inclination was “Well, I thought to myself how could he call me” I was going to say thanks but no thanks but I was going to be kind as I could be. But when I was going to say that the Holy Spirit said “Don’t you dare say no, you will treat her and you’re going to see my hand.”  I just looked up and I was in my car and I’m going “Okay Lord if that’s what you want me to do I’ll do it.”  Again obedience, we must live lifestyles of obedience.  And obviously she was having abdominal pain.  I said “Well, have her meet me in the emergency.”

Sid: Obviously, why did they select you?  Logic says they should have selected someone else; someone that weren’t involved in a legal matter.

David:    Well, they knew that I loved the Lord and they felt that that was the direction I was the man they were supposed to call.  And reluctantly agreed because I heard from the Holy Spirit that that’s what I was supposed to do.  So I meet them at the emergency room.  She had an acute abdominal surgery and you know she was hurting; she was really quite ill.  We made a decision; they actually were given her cathartic, to try to move her bowels; when in deed what was wrong with her she had a tumor in the transverse colon that totally obstructed her colon. So that because of the cathartic she was taking the colon   was getting bigger and bigger it was on the verge of exploding.  Not only that but her gall bladder was gangrenous at the same time.  So this was really a doozy; that was incredible.  This was an incredible case.

Sid: Was this very risky on her part.

David:  Oh, of course of course; we had to go in.  Her husband and I prayed and at that point she was out of it and she was going into shock.  Her husband and I prayed Lord “Send your angels ministering spirits to be in the operating room.”  And you know sometimes we pray but obviously expect but when He shows up sometimes we’re not really ready to handle it.  And that’s exactly what happened to…

Sid: David hold that thought we’ll be right at this place on tomorrow’s broadcast. Mishpochah I have a book that I believe actually supernaturally came into my hands.  It’s called “God’s Medicine Cabinet.”

Sid:  I am so excited to be here with you Mishpochah; I am so excited that the Holy Spirit is with us; I am so excited that I have Jose Santana again with me as a guest.  He’s a prophet from the Rochester, New York area.  And Jose as I was saying on yesterday’s broadcast I know that any time I talk about what I want it’s what lots of people want because God has entrusted the microphone and the radio to me.  My heart’s desire… let me tell you what I do every morning.  I get up early; this is the first morning I haven’t been able to do it because I did a live radio broadcast.  But every morning I get up early and I just sit still before God; I tell Him how much I love Him; I don’t ask for anything but I just soak in His presence and I’m making myself available to hear whatever He wants to say to me.  I hear God’s voice but I don’t hear it as clearly as I’d like; I hear God’s voice but I don’t hear often as I would like.  I see a gift that you have and know that I shouldn’t do this but it provokes me to jealousy.  I want to operate in the gift you have; you literally know people’s names.  Why do I want to operate this with the wrong motivation?  No! For the same motivation you have; I want people to be arrested that God is real.  I want to stop them in their tracks.  I want you to teach me how to… I know that you can’t make me a prophet only God can do that but I want you to teach me how to hear God’s voice clearer and we’ll let everyone else ease drop on that.

Jose:  Okay, well the Bible says that when we pray let’s bring first to prayer.  In Romans “We don’t know how to pray but when we pray in the Holy Ghost He makes intercession.”  He teaches you; He shows you things that you do not know.  So I have a lifestyle of prayer, the word of God and obedience.  Like for instance, people want to prophesy but they are not obedient.  I could be cutting my grass in my house and the Lord says “I want you to go to Pastor Jerome and cut the grass for him or do something.  And I say “Yes Lord, I’m on my way.”  As I’m going to his house it’s not to cut the grass it’s to give him a prophetic word, or healing, or deliverance, or a word of the Lord.  And I marvel but what He looking in each of us is the obedient to do what He tells us.

Sid: Isn’t it… I mean when you look at Abraham.  Abraham had only one thing to offer God He believed Him.  That’s it if you believe that God was telling you; but what we discussed yesterday many times we get faked out because we think it’s our thoughts.  Now if it’s demonic we know that; that’s easy I’ve been in the Bible many many years.  I know the difference between a demonic.  But knowing the difference between my own thought and God’s thoughts give us some tips.

Jose:  Okay, let’s bring it back to the Word. The Bible says “My sheep hear My voice.” And what I do with people is I blindfold them and I ask the wife to whisper in the ear.  Then I ask another lady to whisper to this guy’s ear.  So we do a test of 3 or 4 and usually 99.9 they recognize the voice of the wife. So as we learn to train our hearing ear we can recognize the voice of the Holy Spirit with the same accuracy as we spend time with Him.

Sid: What do you mean spend time with Him?

Jose:  Like I go in the morning and in the night time and the rest of the day I’m fellowshipping with Him.  Like for instance if I’m going to buy a stereo or a TV I say “Lord will you allow me to purchase this? Lord, what is the best TV that I could get for the finances that I have?”   I wait and I wait and I pray and sometimes it might be 2 months, but people don’t want to wait they just want it right there and then.

Sid: What interests me is not the best price; what interests me is that God would open the door for the best price.  That’s what I’m in awe over I could care less about the best price; it’s when I see God in the midst that’s when it gets me excited.

Jose:  Yes, yes there’s a scripture that I learned over the years Proverbs 3:5.  “Lean not in thine own understanding in all your ways.”  You see that’s buying a car; that’s bringing the kids to school, that’s the house that you have; the job that you have.  You have to make Jesus Christ the Messiah, the center piece of your life.

Sid: It’s so easy to see it in other people. You go to church and you see the pastor missing it; that’s easy to see.  But how many times do we as individuals miss it without taking Jesus into everything that we do?  How many times do we do it ourselves?

Jose:  That’s when we miss it.  Abraham was a very friend and obedient of God.  The Bible said that “Abraham heard the voice of God.”  And there’s so many people in the church they have not heard the voice of God; they run and in the parking lot they say “Lord can you bless my doing” and they miss God.  We must learn to wait for His instruction.  Noah waited for His instruction “Build Me a boat.”  Brother Noah never built a boat before and it worked.

Sid: Not only he never built a boat before but he wouldn’t know what a boat would be used for. I mean talk about the faith that he must have had.  Not only that he wasn’t living by any water. (Laughing)

Jose:  There you go so it pays to listen.

Sid: Has God ever told you to do something that was as crazy as God told Noah?  Now of course it wasn’t crazy but it appeared to everyone that knew Noah.

Jose:  Oh, my Lord so many things.  I’m in a meeting and there’s a lady dying with MS and she’s go tumors falling all over.  Her doctors says she only has 3 months to live and right in the middle she gets up and the Lord gave me a word for her.  “Tell her, she’s going to live and not die.” And within 3 days she goes back to the doctor totally healed.   That didn’t make sense in the natural.

Sid: But wait a second if God could do that, but what you were doing is you were putting your reputation on hearing God on the line. Within 3 days, when you say 3 days that isn’t something like ten years pass, fifteen years pass, you know 3 days is 3 days.  Do you ever know things like know people’s names?

Jose:  Like I see peoples face and they’re coming to church or a meeting and the Lord says “This woman is coming and she’s hurt; she has been abused.”

Sid:  You see them before the meeting starts.

Jose:  Yes, a lot of time before the meeting and a lot of times when I get next to them whatever pain or sorrow or struggle they’re going through I feel it myself.  It’s just jumps at me. And a lot of time I weep with them.  And they say “Why are you crying?”  And I say “I could feel what you’re going through and then we both start crying. Then God begins to deliver them.  Specific people who could not have baby and the Lord said “I’m going to open the womb and they’re going to have kids.”  People that have been bound by python spirit and the Lord says “Cast the devil out.”

Sid: When someone’s bound with a python which is a type of snake; a python spirit what is going on you know do you see the python?

Jose:    Absolutely, I can see the thing sticking out the tongue and very much alive and wrap around his person and choking the life.

Sid: What kind of symptoms do they have: they just don’t have no energy and…

Jose:  The symptoms is the make of the skin, the color of the skin it looks like a person that is an alcoholic and the joy of the Lord is not found in them.

Sid: So they are depressed.

Jose:  Yes, well that’s another demon the one that you’re talking about.

Sid: What’s that?

Jose:  Well, the Lord has allowed me to cast out the spirit of oppression and depression out of people.  And what it is it’s just like a band and a round circle on top of the head and usually when that demonic activity is released they levitate before you 13, 14, 15 inches from the floor.

Sid: Now most people listening to us right now are having difficulty believing it and they’re born again Christians.  But what you’re saying is closer to what I read in the New Testament than what I see in most “Christian circles.”  What about discernment?  You see these demons, do you ever see angels?

Jose:    You know angels, what I have seen is the Holy presence of angel and they have hold my hands and they have put my legs down in church because I have been sitting in a manner that is not pleasing to the Lord with my feet crossed in worship.  And the holiness of God has been so powerful that I don’t even dare open my eyes like if I’m dead in front of angels.

Sid: Mishpochah Jose is an example of guest I have on not radio only but “It’s Supernatural Television.”  I believe guests like Jose demand the attention whether people would mock him, or whether people would be fascinated by him they demand the attention of nonbelievers; and that’s the whole premise of “It’s Supernatural Television.”  Now I believe based on the events that I see going on earth, based on the prophetic word that I have received that this is God’s time for harvest.  I am expanding as quickly as I can; God has blessed this ministry; we are debt free and have a mass media ministry debt free especially one this week I’m asking for funds. But you very seldom hear me ask for funds on the air.  Why, because a lot of nonbelievers are listening.

Sid:  I am so excited to be here with you Mishpochah; I am so excited that the Holy Spirit is with us; I am so excited that I have Jose Santana again with me as a guest.  He’s a prophet from the Rochester, New York area.  And Jose as I was saying on yesterday’s broadcast I know that any time I talk about what I want it’s what lots of people want because God has entrusted the microphone and the radio to me.  My heart’s desire… let me tell you what I do every morning.  I get up early; this is the first morning I haven’t been able to do it because I did a live radio broadcast.  But every morning I get up early and I just sit still before God; I tell Him how much I love Him; I don’t ask for anything but I just soak in His presence and I’m making myself available to hear whatever He wants to say to me.  I hear God’s voice but I don’t hear it as clearly as I’d like; I hear God’s voice but I don’t hear often as I would like.  I see a gift that you have and know that I shouldn’t do this but it provokes me to jealousy.  I want to operate in the gift you have; you literally know people’s names.  Why do I want to operate this with the wrong motivation?  No! For the same motivation you have; I want people to be arrested that God is real.  I want to stop them in their tracks.  I want you to teach me how to… I know that you can’t make me a prophet only God can do that but I want you to teach me how to hear God’s voice clearer and we’ll let everyone else ease drop on that.

Jose:  Okay, well the Bible says that when we pray let’s bring first to prayer.  In Romans “We don’t know how to pray but when we pray in the Holy Ghost He makes intercession.”  He teaches you; He shows you things that you do not know.  So I have a lifestyle of prayer, the word of God and obedience.  Like for instance, people want to prophesy but they are not obedient.  I could be cutting my grass in my house and the Lord says “I want you to go to Pastor Jerome and cut the grass for him or do something.  And I say “Yes Lord, I’m on my way.”  As I’m going to his house it’s not to cut the grass it’s to give him a prophetic word, or healing, or deliverance, or a word of the Lord.  And I marvel but what He looking in each of us is the obedient to do what He tells us.

Sid: Isn’t it… I mean when you look at Abraham.  Abraham had only one thing to offer God He believed Him.  That’s it if you believe that God was telling you; but what we discussed yesterday many times we get faked out because we think it’s our thoughts.  Now if it’s demonic we know that; that’s easy I’ve been in the Bible many many years.  I know the difference between a demonic.  But knowing the difference between my own thought and God’s thoughts give us some tips.

Jose:  Okay, let’s bring it back to the Word. The Bible says “My sheep hear My voice.” And what I do with people is I blindfold them and I ask the wife to whisper in the ear.  Then I ask another lady to whisper to this guy’s ear.  So we do a test of 3 or 4 and usually 99.9 they recognize the voice of the wife. So as we learn to train our hearing ear we can recognize the voice of the Holy Spirit with the same accuracy as we spend time with Him.

Sid: What do you mean spend time with Him?

Jose:  Like I go in the morning and in the night time and the rest of the day I’m fellowshipping with Him.  Like for instance if I’m going to buy a stereo or a TV I say “Lord will you allow me to purchase this? Lord, what is the best TV that I could get for the finances that I have?”   I wait and I wait and I pray and sometimes it might be 2 months, but people don’t want to wait they just want it right there and then.

Sid: What interests me is not the best price; what interests me is that God would open the door for the best price.  That’s what I’m in awe over I could care less about the best price; it’s when I see God in the midst that’s when it gets me excited.

Jose:  Yes, yes there’s a scripture that I learned over the years Proverbs 3:5.  “Lean not in thine own understanding in all your ways.”  You see that’s buying a car; that’s bringing the kids to school, that’s the house that you have; the job that you have.  You have to make Jesus Christ the Messiah, the center piece of your life.

Sid: It’s so easy to see it in other people. You go to church and you see the pastor missing it; that’s easy to see.  But how many times do we as individuals miss it without taking Jesus into everything that we do?  How many times do we do it ourselves?

Jose:  That’s when we miss it.  Abraham was a very friend and obedient of God.  The Bible said that “Abraham heard the voice of God.”  And there’s so many people in the church they have not heard the voice of God; they run and in the parking lot they say “Lord can you bless my doing” and they miss God.  We must learn to wait for His instruction.  Noah waited for His instruction “Build Me a boat.”  Brother Noah never built a boat before and it worked.

Sid: Not only he never built a boat before but he wouldn’t know what a boat would be used for. I mean talk about the faith that he must have had.  Not only that he wasn’t living by any water. (Laughing)

Jose:  There you go so it pays to listen.

Sid: Has God ever told you to do something that was as crazy as God told Noah?  Now of course it wasn’t crazy but it appeared to everyone that knew Noah.

Jose:  Oh, my Lord so many things.  I’m in a meeting and there’s a lady dying with MS and she’s go tumors falling all over.  Her doctors says she only has 3 months to live and right in the middle she gets up and the Lord gave me a word for her.  “Tell her, she’s going to live and not die.” And within 3 days she goes back to the doctor totally healed.   That didn’t make sense in the natural.

Sid: But wait a second if God could do that, but what you were doing is you were putting your reputation on hearing God on the line. Within 3 days, when you say 3 days that isn’t something like ten years pass, fifteen years pass, you know 3 days is 3 days.  Do you ever know things like know people’s names?

Jose:  Like I see peoples face and they’re coming to church or a meeting and the Lord says “This woman is coming and she’s hurt; she has been abused.”

Sid:  You see them before the meeting starts.

Jose:  Yes, a lot of time before the meeting and a lot of times when I get next to them whatever pain or sorrow or struggle they’re going through I feel it myself.  It’s just jumps at me. And a lot of time I weep with them.  And they say “Why are you crying?”  And I say “I could feel what you’re going through and then we both start crying. Then God begins to deliver them.  Specific people who could not have baby and the Lord said “I’m going to open the womb and they’re going to have kids.”  People that have been bound by python spirit and the Lord says “Cast the devil out.”

Sid: When someone’s bound with a python which is a type of snake; a python spirit what is going on you know do you see the python?

Jose:    Absolutely, I can see the thing sticking out the tongue and very much alive and wrap around his person and choking the life.

Sid: What kind of symptoms do they have: they just don’t have no energy and…

Jose:  The symptoms is the make of the skin, the color of the skin it looks like a person that is an alcoholic and the joy of the Lord is not found in them.

Sid: So they are depressed.

Jose:  Yes, well that’s another demon the one that you’re talking about.

Sid: What’s that?

Jose:  Well, the Lord has allowed me to cast out the spirit of oppression and depression out of people.  And what it is it’s just like a band and a round circle on top of the head and usually when that demonic activity is released they levitate before you 13, 14, 15 inches from the floor.

Sid: Now most people listening to us right now are having difficulty believing it and they’re born again Christians.  But what you’re saying is closer to what I read in the New Testament than what I see in most “Christian circles.”  What about discernment?  You see these demons, do you ever see angels?

Jose:    You know angels, what I have seen is the Holy presence of angel and they have hold my hands and they have put my legs down in church because I have been sitting in a manner that is not pleasing to the Lord with my feet crossed in worship.  And the holiness of God has been so powerful that I don’t even dare open my eyes like if I’m dead in front of angels.

Sid: Mishpochah Jose is an example of guest I have on not radio only but “It’s Supernatural Television.”  I believe guests like Jose demand the attention whether people would mock him, or whether people would be fascinated by him they demand the attention of nonbelievers; and that’s the whole premise of “It’s Supernatural Television.”  Now I believe based on the events that I see going on earth, based on the prophetic word that I have received that this is God’s time for harvest.  I am expanding as quickly as I can; God has blessed this ministry; we are debt free and have a mass media ministry debt free especially one this week I’m asking for funds. But you very seldom hear me ask for funds on the air.  Why, because a lot of nonbelievers are listening.