Sid: We want everyone everywhere when they hear that the earth is a million years old yet the Bible says that it’s over just over 6,000 years.  Not to wonder about “Well was there really a flood that was worldwide?”  I mean that just doesn’t make any sense you don’t have to be ashamed of the word of the living God.  There is overwhelming evidence that evolution is not based on science and that’s why I’m asking a Scientist Bruce Malone to talk about his brand new books.  365 days a devotional each day; it’ll take you about maybe one minute the whole family can do it.  Bruce this book is so beautiful the hard cover book we’re offering “Censored Science the Suppressed Evidence.” Why did you go to such efforts to make it so beautiful; I mean it could sit on a living room table I mean it’s so gorgeous?

Bruce:  Anything we do needs to be done well because it’s a reflection of truth or reflection of our creator. We are up against the entire museum system; the educational system; the media system that’s all promoting and pushing the false idea that the Bible can’t be trusted when it talks about science and biology and geology and history.  So we need to be preparing our children and others to what the truth is; so that’s why I went to all the trouble.

Sid: Okay, everyone has heard of Charles Darwin and his theory except it’s taught like a fact today; give us some insight about how we got to this point.

Bruce:  Well, you need a little bit of background Charles Darwin started out in theological school studying the Bible and decided that he wanted to be a naturalist, which was an old 1800’s term for a scientist studying the natural world.  Went on a 5 year voyage looking at observations; he was strongly influenced by a man named Charles Lyell that wrote a book called “Principals of Geology.”   He’s called the Father of Geology that promoted the idea of slow gradual processes over huge processes of time created all the geology of our time; little changes lots of time.  Darwin took that idea; looked at the for instance beaks of a finch; saw certain size beaks on the mainland; certain size beaks on the Globules Island he thought “Small gradual changes in biology if they have an advantage over huge periods of time could turn one creature into another.  It sort of makes sense if that’s all you ever get to hear; enormous problems with it but those get glossed over in the textbooks in the schools and museums.  Now Darwin sat on that for 20 years; he didn’t publish his book “Origin of the Species” until 20 years after his journey.  And he published it after his young daughter Anne died because he reasoned death has always been around; millions and billions of years has always been around where things have been living and dying and getting diseases.  So if God exists at all he must be a pretty cruel God to have created all of these millions of years of death and disease and bloodshed.  And at that point he set out to destroy people’s belief in God and he did it through his theory which is really just a story to try to explain everything as if God doesn’t exist.  And he called it evolution.

Sid: But wait a second these are scientists, and my understanding of a scientist is he wants to deal with facts so there must be some facts to support evolution.

Bruce:  Well, evolution is a word that means many different things; it can mean change, and change does happen; it can mean that if a creature has an advantage over creatures it will make more copies of itself and fill up an environmental knitch.  That actually does happen; that sort of evolution happens but then this shell game happens where the definition completely changes and then they assume that one kind of creature can turn into a different kind of creature.  That kind of evolution has never been seen and never happened.  We’re dealing with hard science, reality, things that are testable and observable in a laboratory versus philosophy.  The biological evolution idea that one kind of creature can turn into another is just a philosophical idea that is not supported by science.

Sid: Give me one fact, scientific, that why this cannot be.

Bruce:  Well, let me give you an experiment that’s been run for a 100 years.  Supposedly mutations; little changes in the DNA code are what causes one kind of creature to turn into another.  So we have taken thousands of fruit flies that only live for about 14 days; we’ll put them in a chamber and eradiate them so that there mutation rate is accelerated 1000 fold and we’ll do it with 1000’s of flies.  So we are simulating millions of years of years of evolutionary progress all we ever get is fruit flies with twisted wings; fruit flies with different numbers of bristles; fruit-flies with legs hanging out where their eyeballs ought to be and lots and lots of dead fruit-flies.  We’ve never gotten a new organ, we’ve never gotten a new feature; we’ve never gotten a new creature. What that says is when you do an experiment it shows evolution does not occur; what happens is that deterioration of the information that’s there not an upward advancement of the information.

Sid: Well, with all of the knowledge that we have today and it really is an Daniel says information is exploding; can human life be created in a laboratory?

Bruce:  We are about as close to ever creating any form of life in a laboratory is as if I put a piece of paper at the base of Mount Everest.  Mount Everest is 28,000 foot tall and I stepped up on top of that piece of paper; we haven’t even come that close to creating life.  We don’t make the right chemicals; there random mixture chemicals that don’t work when we’re trying to produce life when we try to make what are called amino acids which are like the building blocks of life by random experiments we get a useless mixture of chemicals instead to the correct acids.  We don’t get all the ones we need; as a matter of fact you can take like 100 million bacteria and you could put them in a centrifuge which spins it around and breaks open all the cell membranes.  So now in the bottom of your test-tube you have everything you need for life.  You have exactly the right proportion in exactly the right place; in exactly the right temperature and it will never turn into a new form of life.  Every experiment it does gives that same result; life has to be organized by something; someone unbelievable intelligence and intellect.  And God is the most logical scientific answer for that.

Sid: What about the horse fossil hoax you speak of?

Bruce:  Let me give you a little background on that; after Darwin had passed away a man named Huxley, Alex Huxley, had become what is known as Darwin’s bulldog.  And he really was promoting this idea in the atheist’s community of explaining everything without God and looking for examples to do so.  Well they came over the United States and a gentleman showed him a set of fossils of what were supposedly different horses; horses with two toes, horses with three toes; horses with a single hoot and then growing in size.  And then lining them all up in a beautiful chart and at that time in the 1800’s the horse was thee mode of transportation.  So if there was ever something that could be used to have an enormous impact to the man on the street of whether evolution could be true it was this idea that horses could have evolved from ancient time way down in the rock layers to a modern horse today.  Unfortunately for evolution that was 100 years ago we’ve discovered every single one of those different supposed ancestors of the horses have been found in the essentially same rock layer level.  So they couldn’t be ancestors to one another; and most of those displays of horses have been pulled out of museums today because they know that they are simply not true.  For instance it’s sill in the American Museum of Natural History the Curator Dr. Nile Eldridge has said, “There’s been an awful lot of stories told; imaginative stories about nature of life and so on; the most imaginative example still on exhibit was a horse evolution from 50 years ago; but I now think that that’s lamentable because when people who propose these kind of stories are themselves made aware of the speculative nature of that kind of stuff.”  See he’s admitting that it’s not even true when it’s still there in the museum.

Sid: I don’t get it; that’s not the way a scientist is supposed to operate according to my understanding of science.

Bruce:  But the only two options are that God did it; one moment there weren’t horses; the next moment there were.  Lot of variations of the horse kind just suddenly created or something turned into something, that turned into something and turned into a horse.  If you don’t want to believe God made it even if in the day it doesn’t agree you’re stuck with something turned into a horse.

Sid: What are these missing links that you hear about every few years that are found?

Bruce:  Those are simply variations within a created kind of creature.  Like there are many different variations of dogs all that came from a wolf but all of that information came from the original DNA of a wolf.  But you see that there has never been a completely half-man; half ape; or a half-fish half reptile, or a half dinosaur because it doesn’t work.  Those kind of things just simply do not exist.

Sid: Well, you would think if the earth was millions of years old and if evolution was true there certainly would be a lot of half-creatures.

Bruce:  There should be millions of them Sid!  Every creature should be filled with these functions that they no longer need as a reptile turned into a bird.  As a fish turned into an amphibian; or as an ape turned to a person our body ought to be filled with stuff that we no longer need.  But there’s a deterioration of the DNA information but there’s not all these useless unneeded parts because evolution has never occurred.

Sid: I’m reminded of what King David said “The fool says in his heart there is no God.”  Well Bruce Malone wants to help a lot of people that are getting within our education system lies and I’ll call it for what it is lies.

Sid:  I have a scientist on the telephone, Bruce Malone. Bruce says that there is overwhelming evidence that evolution is not based on science.  Now Bruce there are a lot of controversies going on, but one controversy that even many Christians are fuzzy over has to do with the age of the earth.  I mean the Bible says the earth is some 6,000 years old, but we have all these scientific dating things; carbon dating excreta that says the earth is millions of years old.  What do you say?

Bruce:  The vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation it is just that most Christians don’t get to hear those and they’re systematically censored from our school systems.

Sid: Well, so what you’re saying is that some say its millions of years old and some don’t; is that what you’re saying?

Bruce:  What you have to understand is that all dating methods involve assumptions; almost every dating method you have to see the amount of something divided by the rate of changes divided by the amount of the rate you come up with an age. But there’s assumptions involved in all of them; you can’t ever date something beyond historical times and know for sure that you have the right date.

Sid: What do you say that the Bible is accurate; that the earth is a little over 6,000 years old?

Bruce: Well, first of all first and foremost I look at a God who made this incredibly intricate gorgeous universe and I think to myself “Don’t you think a God capable of making the entire universe ought to be able to communicate when and how he did it clearly in a straightforward way.”  And that’s exactly what He did in the Bible; and second the majority of dating methods agree with that. They indicate this earth is very recently made and I’ll be glad to share a few of those.

Sid:  Tell me some scientific evidence that supports the creation view.

Bruce: Well, let me jump into one of the most visual ones.  About 8 years ago Dr. Mary Schweitzer down at North Caroline University dug up a Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton in Montana.  And when the bones were pulled out they pulled apart and she said she smelled like a rotting smell.  She got permission to dissolving away part of this very value bone and found completely unfossilized organic dinosaur tissue inside the bone.  Now that would be like King Arthur leaving a chicken leg on a rock somewhere 500 years ago and someone coming along last month and picking up that chicken leg and eating and it still being edible.  It is absolutely impossible if those dinosaurs were buried 60 or 70 million years ago for there to still to be undecayed tissue inside of it.  And yet there is; that is an enormous indication that the entire rock layers of the earth were laid down recently and rapidly and they aren’t millions of years old, and that’s just one example.

Sid: But wait a second when we look at some of the wonders in the United States like Grand Canyon, that took millions of years to develop.

Bruce:   Sit it’s an assumption that those rock layers we see in the Grand Canyon took millions of years; you see there’s two possibilities.  One is that over huge periods of time slow little bits of sentiment happened and build up to form limestone and sandstone layers and after many of years that river carved out that canyon.  But there’s another possibility that’s ignored and that’s the Biblical possibility and it’s presented as fact in the Bible.  That there’s a world restructuring flood; it ripped up the vegetation and the plants and the sediments and redistributed them across this globe about 4500 years ago. And that’s what formed those layers; laid them down rapidly.  We don’t even see fossils forming today; a hundred million buffalo died in the 1800’s in the Great Plains and yet not a single one turned into a fossil.  To form fossils you got to bury things rapidly and deeply to keep them from decaying and being eaten by other predators. So the rock layers of this earth did not form slowly they formed very rapidly.  During this flood there was enormous amounts of water that pulled in different areas around the planet after the flood it lasted for an entire year. And that water covered much of the Western United States after those layers formed it broke through and it rapidly carved out the Grand Canyon revealing all of these sediment layers that had formed during this flood. So you see that there’s not millions of years represented there; there’s merely the evidence of the rapid depositing of those various layers of rock.

Sid: Well, have you got scientific evidence that this could happen quickly?

Bruce:   Well, actually we do; one of the best examples was in 1980 when Mount St. Helen’s erupted out in Washington State.  The entire top third of the mountain during an earthquake eruption event slid down into the valley as an enormous fluid flood flow.  Now they estimated that happened at 160 miles an hour. So you here you have the top of the mountain being shook turned into like a moving fluid.  And all of the mud turned into like a snow and sediment flowing down into the valley.  You would think it would be like sticking a blender into a bunch of mashed potatoes and blending it up.  But that’s not what they found; when several months later that sediment flowed as a fluid flowed back into rock. Just like you’d pour concrete as a fluid and the next day it’s a hard stone; water had back up; it broke through that area.  It caused massive erosion in amount of hours; formed an entire new river valley not in millions of years but in a matter of hours and it revealed what that sediment had flowed down into the valley looked like. And you could see perfectly straight lines of sediment as far up and down the river valley as far as the eye could see turning that sediment into different types and densities. Just like we look at the Grand Canyon or we see road cuts we see horizontal lines of sediment up and down the horizon and yet this happened in a matter of minutes not over millions of years.

Sid: Well, how did we get, in this nation, to the point that we can’t at least point to the creationism as a viable cause of creation as opposed to evolution as a viable cause of creation.  Why can’t we just do both?

Bruce:  Ultimately it just comes down to human nature’s desire to get out of the accountability of God.  You see there’s only two possibilities from where we came from; either God made us or something turned into something else; turned into something else that eventually turned into something that turned into an ape that turned into a person.  There are no other possibilities; if you don’t want to believe that one moment people weren’t here and the next moment they were then you are forced to believe the only other option.  Which is that some sort of an animal turned into us; for that even to have a possibility of being true you need to have enormous periods of time.  So only that evidence is shown to students and only that evidence is shown in schools because it leaves God out and then we get to make the rules and that’s why evolution is so popular.

Sid: But you’re literature, your books prove that most of this is just a plain hoax; it is not science.

Bruce:  It’s actually worse than that Sid it violates what we do know about the laws of science.  It says that matter and energy made itself at some point way back in the past, and yet every experiment that we’ve ever done shows that matter and energy can never be created nor destroyed.  It says that information can spontaneously make itself; the DNA language and the DNA code is a language wrote itself and that violates everything we know about language theory. The mechanisms of evolution simply do not work they violate observation. Natural selection of mutations will not cause one creature to turn into another and yet it’s taught in schools as if it does work. It is a sad, sad situation all in an effort to deny God’s existence.

Sid: Now in your research you talk about dinosaur bones next to parrots, penguins, and insects and the parrots, penguins and insects look exactly like the ones we have today.  How can a scientist account for that?

Bruce:  Well, because people whether they’re fallen and deny God’s existence or not are still creative. I mean I can take a tricycle and a bicycle and a motorcycle and a car and I could line them up.  Well, what’s what they’ll do with fossils; they’ll say “What looks most like a bird?”  Well maybe it was a dinosaur that stood upright on two legs; so they’ll line up a dinosaur and say it’s scales somehow got frayed and eventually turned into a feather. Whether they find that in between transition or not they’ll line things up in order to explain where they came from.

Sid: Well I’m sure you’re aware of this Bruce, and I’m sure most of our listeners are aware of this, but from elementary school on the students are taught against the literal meaning of the Bible about creation.

Bruce:  We have got to prepare our kids and these are great fun easy to read books that are going to reinforce the trustworthiness of God’s word.

SID: So we’re two nice Jewish people that were madly in love with the one who it was said above his execution stake, “King of the Jews,” Yeshua or Jesus. Now most believers do not understand the Hebraic understanding of covenant and in particular the covenant that God has with the Jewish people. Would you explain this a little, Sandy?

SANDY: In the scriptures, a covenant can be either conditional or unconditional. A conditional covenant is made between parties, each of whom has a legal responsibility or a responsibility before God to do certain things, to perform certain acts before that covenant can be fulfilled. In an unconditional covenant, not every party necessarily is committed to do certain things or perform certain acts before the covenant is fulfilled. In Abraham’s day, the way the covenants were cut is that animals were literally slaughtered and cut. The pieces of their bodies were cut up and laid up on the ground and the covenanting parties would then walk in between the pieces. And in effect, they were saying, as has been done to these animals, it should be done unto me if I do not fulfill my covenant towards you.

SID: Covenants were really sacred.

SANDY: Very sacred. They had almost a life of their own, as they should still today. In the case of Abraham’s covenant with God, God put Abraham into a spirit-induced sleep and then God himself as fire walked between those pieces. In doing so, God was stating as clearly as possible, He was executing a spiritual reality that His covenant with Abraham was dependent only upon the actions of God Himself alone on the character, on the mercy and grace of God. And God affirms that covenant with Abraham later on in the scriptures, and then specifically He states that Isaac, and not Ishmael inherits it. Although Ishmael is blessed, he doesn’t inherit the Abrahamic covenant.

SID: The blessing for Ishmael, the head of the Arabs, but not the land. Go ahead.

SANDY: Not the land. And then God goes on to say that his covenant will be inherited specifically by Jacob and specifically not by Esau. And then that covenant is reaffirmed throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, Psalm 105, which speaks about the covenant lasting forever, a thousand generations and including the land. And then it’s been reaffirmed in the New Covenant, that sometimes people don’t notice.

SID: Give me in the example in the New Covenant.

SANDY: Well perfect example is Romans 9 through 11. In Romans 9 through 11, the Apostle Paul repeats over and over again, not just once, not just twice, but several times he repeats that God’s covenants and promises to Israel are still Israel’s. Romans, Chapter 9, he says that the covenants and promises are still Israel’s. He uses the word “is”. The promise IS still Israel’s. And in Greek, “is” means what it means in English. It’s a present ongoing tense. It still is. In Romans, Chapter 11, Paul writes, Verse 1, “Has God rejected His people? No God forbid,” he says. “God has not rejected His people.” Later on in the same chapter, he goes on to say that the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

SID: If you were an attorney, would you like to take God’s case that this is an unconditional and not a conditional covenant, and based on the Land of Israel?

SANDY: I think it’s a pretty good case.

SID: I do, too. How about you audience, would you like to hear God’s case? Look, God, in you, a majority. Okay. Sandy, tell me about, I heard this by a wise man once, who’s now in Heaven. He says, “God uses Israel to judge the nations, but He judges Israel for her sin Himself.” I guess it’s founded in Genesis 12:3. Explain that.

SANDY: Genesis 12:3 is the covenant that God makes with Abraham, before he has this procedure with the animals, in which He tells Abraham to leave his father’s land, go to a land that God will show him and through that Abraham, all families of the earth will be blessed. And then God goes on to say that those that bless you I will bless; that those that curse you, I will curse.

SID: How about Matthew 25:40?

SANDY: Matthew 25:40 is key and it’s critical to the days that we’re in. Those that fed Israel, those that visited the Jewish people in prison, those that gave a cup of cold water to the Jewish people, Jesus says, “As you have done to the least of these brothers of mine, you’ve done it to me.” How a people treats the Jewish people reflects how that people would treat Jesus himself.

SID: Okay. Genesis 12:3, Matthew 25:40, all says you have a choice. Your nation can be a goat nation, a goat has a mind of its own, or a sheep nation, a sheep follows the shepherd. And you as an individual, you can either bless the nation Israel and the Jewish people and be blessed by God, according to Genesis 12:3, or you can curse the Jewish people and the nation Israel and be flattened by God. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I can’t wait for you to hear what is in my opinion the most important thing that will distinguish the false church from the real church in the last days, and I’ll give you a clue in one word: Israel. Now my guest Sandy Teplinsky, like myself, was raised in an orthodox Jewish home. She went to an orthodox synagogue and when she got to college, she decided, I want to think a little for myself. She investigated different religions. Finally came, a New Testament came in her hand. Did you feel funny reading that, Sandy?

SANDY: Well I was brought up to believe it was the forbidden book. And actually, the only reason that I took one in my hands and read it was that I was attempting to disprove the Gospel.

SID: Well what happened? I know what happened.

SANDY: Well the interesting thing is that having read so many other religious books on my quest for God, that when I read the New Testament it conveyed a love and a life force, which we know is the Holy Spirit, that seemed to jump off the pages into my heart like nothing else that I had read. And it was also so Jewish a book. It was so Jewish, that as I flipped through the pages, I actually did much more than flipping, I studiously poured through them. I thought either this is the world’s best kept secret, if this is what so-called Christianity is, or because I’m finding myself believing it and I’m finding it so consistent with the Old Testament, which we knew as the Hebrew Scriptures, that if I believe this I am really going to Hell. I’m doomed. It’s one extreme or the other.

SID: So why did you proceed with such a repercussion potential?

SANDY: Because I became convinced it was true. And when you are convinced that God is God and that truth is truth, what can compare with that?

SID: You had no choice. Then Sandy goes on and she becomes an attorney. And I would like a Messianic Jewish attorney to tell me why your position on Israel is one of the major dividing lines of the true church and the false church. Take me to a couple of scriptures, Joel 3:2 and Zechariah.

SANDY: Joel 3:2 refers to something that takes place in the context of the End Times. God says that He is going to judge all the nations that have divided up His land. It’s a very serious matter in God’s eyes. And as we know, Israel has been divided up already many, many, many times, and there’s…sadly the scriptures indicate even more to come.

SID: And Zechariah 12:3.

SANDY: Zachariah 12:3 talks about God gathering all nations to surround Jerusalem as in a military assault, causing Jerusalem to be a burdensome stone to all nations. And yet, God says that He will cause those nations that surround Jerusalem to become burdened by their assault and God Himself is the one to retaliate and to release judgment on the nations.

SID: Because Israel is the apple of God’s eye, I’m reminded of the Living Bible that says, “He that touches Israel is the same as someone that pokes their finger in God’s eye.” The devil is starting all sorts of teachings to get your eye off of God and off of the apple of His eye, Israel. There’s something, Sandy, called fulfillment theology. It’s a big word. What does it mean?

SANDY: Fulfillment theology is a theology that takes one precious scripture and exaggerates it, and builds a whole theology around it. Matthew 5:17, Jesus, Yeshua says that, “He has come to fulfill the Law and the prophets,” which he has. Fulfillment theologians reinterpret the scriptures through that particular verse to mean that all of the promises that God has ever made are now completely fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ. Now this includes all of the prophetic promises and prophetic plans.

SID: How can they say that, because so many things haven’t even happened yet.

SANDY: Well they’re not reading the Bible.

SID: They’re reading one verse.

SANDY: They’re taking one verse out of context, but they’re also not reading the whole Bible. They’re neglecting the Hebrew Scriptures, which of course provide the foundation and the root of our understanding of the New Covenant scriptures. You can’t completely understand in its fullness the New Covenant scriptures without an understanding of the Old Covenant scriptures.

SID: Well in addition to throwing out the Old Covenant, which you’ve got to be nuts over, because there’s so much that hasn’t happened yet in there, in addition to the moral law, in addition to everything about the return of Jesus that’s there, many are throwing out the Book of Revelation. They say it’s already happened. What do you say, Sandy?

SANDY: Well I’m thankful that it hasn’t yet already happened.

SID: Me, too.

SANDY: Because I’m looking forward to the Lord’s return. There are some people that believe that all of the prophecies pertaining to Israel or Israel’s restoration have already been fulfilled. They say that they were fulfilled by the year 70 A.D., when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, but that is not the case. There are many, many prophecies that we cannot in any fair way say have already been fulfilled.

SID: They say it was fulfilled even though the Book of Revelation was written through John after the time they said it was fulfilled. So thery are little — there’s a Hebrew word, “meshuga”— crazy. We’ll be right back. And wait until you get a Hebrew understanding of covenant.

SID: You know, my wife is so fascinated by what you’re teaching. She’s saying, if you lived in Charlotte, she’d go to lunch once a week with you. But what about mutations? Isn’t that a way of creating new types of species and things?

BRUCE: Well everybody hears about mutations. But mutations destroy information. And DNA, what creates our body is this code, and it’s like randomly changing the letters in a book. It destroys the information. It won’t create a better book. It destroys information. Let me give an example. For about a hundred years, we’ve taken fruit flies, we put them in a chamber and we add radiation to the, X-rays, and they mutate, and the next generation has mutations. So we think by doing this with millions of fruit flies—

SID: What kind of mutations?

BRUCE: It’s changing the information on their DNA code. But what you get are fruit flies with different colors, fruit flies with twisted wings, fruit flies with different numbers of bristles, fruit flies with legs hanging out where their eyeballs ought to be. We’ve never gotten a new creature. We’ve never gotten a new organ. We’ve never gotten a new functioning feature. We’ve never gotten anything that’s useful. That experiment shows mutations don’t create new kind of creatures.

SID: So how come we’re taught this on TV?

BRUCE: Because if you don’t want to believe God did it, you just have to make up a story. You got to come up with some way to explain where new information comes from. So they grabbed mutations and they ran with it.

SID: Okay. Grand Canyon. Magnificent. Millions of years in the making. You say different.

BRUCE: The key event in the Bible to explain the world and the way it looks is a worldwide flood. This flood was real. This entire globe was resurfaced. There would have been rapid movement of the continents. As the continents shoved together, it shoved up the mountain chains almost a year after that flood started. The water rushed off the surfaces of this newly laid down sediment and rock layers that were filled with fossils. That’s where they came from. That’s how it fits into the Bible. Well as this water was rushing away it carved out the Grand Canyon very, very rapidly.

SID: Give me an example as a scientist of this happening rapidly, that you know of.

BRUCE: Well there’s a very modern example. In Washington State, in 1980, Mt. St. Helen’s blew up. It was a volcano where the whole top of the mountain slid down into the valley. Trillions of pounds of sediment were instantly pulverized and turned into a fluid that flowed down into the valley. When it happened, it laid down new layers of rock up to 600 foot deep. Later, water backed up. Months later, it flushed through this area of this newly formed rock, layered as it flowed as a liquid, and we see these perfectly horizontal seams of sediment formed in a matter of minutes into this layer. It shows how the layers of the earth formed. Not over millions of years, but very rapidly during this world restructuring flood.

SID: Okay. You talk about a flood because the Bible talks about a flood. But certainly there would be records of this flood in different cultures all over.

BRUCE: Well and that’s exactly what we find. I mean, you can go on the Internet and you can Google flood stories, you’ll come up with websites that list hundreds of cultures that have a remembrance that there really was a flood upon this planet.

SID: How about Native Americans? Tell me what you found out.

BRUCE: Well I found just a phenomenal record from the Delaware Indians. They’re one of the earliest American Indian tribes that migrated through Alaska down across Canada, and then spread out across the United States. They have a record of where they believe everything came from that exactly parallels the biblical account of creation. The Great Spirit hovered over the waters and then he made mankind, and the evil came into mankind and distorted things, and deceived mankind. But then they talk about a world covering deluge that came and destroyed the entire globe. This isn’t the Bible. This is a totally separate culture from the Bible. Now see, all people spread out across this globe after this flood. The Egyptians, the Chinese, the Incas, the American Indians, they spread out after the flood. But they took with them a remembrance of this flood, and that’s exactly what we find.

SID: Tell me about the seashells.

BRUCE: We find seashells at the top of Mt. Everest. Mt. Everest is 28,000 feet above sea level, and yet there are fossilized seashells that high above sea level. The reason they’re there is because those mountains were pushed up at the end of Noah’s flood and they contained all of these dead creatures that have been compacted into new rock layers formed during this flood.

SID: The Bible talks about, in addition to giving evidence as to how things were created, because the evidence is from the Creator. It talks about in the last days there will be scoffers that won’t believe what God says.

BRUCE: You’re referring to 2 Peter 3, Verse 3, it says, “In the last days, scoffers will come, saying everything is continued as it has since our fathers fell asleep.” In other words, slow, gradual processes explain everything. That’s the days we live in today. We are living in what the Bible calls last days. And then it says, “These scoffers will specifically say, there was never creation out of water,” a reference to God created everything as He hovered over the waters of the deep and there has never been an earth flooded by water. The two signs in the last days will be a denial of creation and a denial of a worldwide flood. That’s exactly what the academic community is doing to all over our children as we send them through the public education system.

SID: But God says, in the last days, He’ll give us a sign. It will be like the “days of Noah”. What do you believe he meant?

BRUCE: Well Jesus said these words. He said, “It will be as in the days of Noah before I return.” There was a monument to a coming judgment called “Noah’s Ark” towering above all mankind in the days of Noah. I believe we are very close to finding Noah’s ark locked in ice at the top of Mt. Ararat, a boat big enough to put every species of mammal, bird and amphibian in that boat, locked at the top of one of the highest mountains on this planet. What better sign could there be that these rock layers are not very, very old. They were laid down by this flood only about 4500 years ago.

SID: And according to information that I have and that you’ve seen, we’re about ready to see that. There’s so many sightings.

BRUCE: There have been sightings from the early 1900s on up, and we now have satellites that can see through ice, that have seen an object in that ice that looks very much like Noah’s ark.

SID: But how could the ark, I often wonder, how could the ark hold so many animals?

BRUCE: Well the better question is, why is there a boat that big locked on top of this mountain, you know 14,000 feet above sea level? It’s big enough to hold every species of mammal, every species of bird, every species of amphibian that’s ever been alive on this planet in only about half the space of the ark.

SID: If it was ready to rain and God told you a flood was coming, would you get in an ark? Would you build an ark? I would. You would. The ark has already come. The ark has a name. His name is Jesus.

BRUCE: Amen.

SID: You’re either in Jesus or out of him. Choose this day who you will serve. But as for me and my house, we’re going serve the Living God. Make Jesus your Messiah and Lord. You repent and the life of God will touch your spirit and it will become alive to God. And God says a miracle will happen. He will remember your sins no more and you will be able to communicate with the Living God. You will hear His voice. This is what you need now.

Sid: I’m going to tell you something, if you had been in the environment I was in and you were not red hot for the Messiah I think you’d be dead. I did not expect it, but we’re doing this broadcast a month after the fact, but literally I just off a plane as I’m recording this right now from Israel. I was there for Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. I was invited by representatives from just about all the Messianic Jewish Congregations in Israel to speak at an event of all things it was a New Age festival. Thousands of Jewish people gathered right by the Sea of Galilee. I’ve never seen so many witches, and kabbalist, and Satanist, and just a hedonist, and just so many perverse things in my life. I brought a team with me of men and women that move in extraordinary power of God, and I have one of the team members, Rabbi Michael Zeitler; who is rabbi of a Messianic Jewish congregation in Kingston, New York, Baruch HaShem; which is Hebrew for Bless His Name. Michael, give me some of your impressions of what you saw in Israel with me.

Michael: The setting was absolutely gorgeous on the Kinneret on the Galilee. Of course the weather was beautiful except that one day that we had rain. As I looked around the hedonism that was expressed by these young adults and older teenagers was phenomenal. As we walked around together and just explored what was being offered the attire the people were wearing, the various different offerings that were being given to these young people such as kabbalism, witchcraft, and Hinduism, and every other kind of “ism,” every other kind of New Age thing you could think of was offered there. It just seemed to be a total air in the environment of freedom for the occult, freedom for New Age, freedom for lust; I mean the women the way they were dressed was practically with nothing. It just seemed to be all out chaos, and yet it also from what my observation was, was that there was a controlling force behind this whole thing which I believe were the head kabbalist that were trying to steer or recruit these young people into something that they wanted to involve them in.

Sid: I was asked to go and speak 2 times, which I did. In fact, when I spoke you walked up to one of the young people. These confused kids that are into all the things the Torah condemns. Tell me about that.

Michael: Well it was a woman that was probably in her maybe early 20’s. I had asked her if she had prayed the prayer with you, and she said that she was afraid. So I had the pleasure of being able to explain to her, and she spoke English plus there was a translator next to me, and explained the gospel and what it meant, what it meant to repent of sin, what was going on in her life. Then I asked her “Would you like to have the God of Israel, would you like to have Mashiach in your life? Yeshu is His name” and she said “Yes I want that.” So she prayed with me, she accepted the Lord; I saw a big smile on her face after she was completed as a completed Jewish believer in Mashiach. Then I said “Now God’s going to bring a family of believers around you and He’s going to embrace you and nurture you and help you to grow.” It turned the translator was a believer and I didn’t know. So I said “Now see here’s one for you right now, and can we get her a Bible” and they went and got her a Bible. They were following up with her and encouraging her and helping her. So there the Lord just took care of it right at the tent.

Sid: You know Michael I was astounded at all the team members that were moving in such supernatural power. You know if God didn’t show up in power the devil certainly wasn’t holding back on his power. Tell me a couple of people that you personally, a couple of Jewish people you personally prayed with and what happened.

Michael: Well we were in a group praying and there was an unsaved Jewish family. At one point and time the Lord led to pray for a specific area on this gentleman’s lower part of his abdomen over by his chest in the back. Afterwards we asked “What was the reason for that?” his daughter pointed out that that was an area of his ribs that he had injured. This was a sore area for him and God knew and God was healing it. Then a short time after that…

Sid: The thing that was so unusual is you didn’t know to pray in that area except… How did you know to pray for this unsaved Jewish man in that area of his body?

Michael: I just sensed that the Lord was directing me almost like it was a hotspot, you know, and put your hand right there in that spot and just pray.

Sid: Well you know not only was he healed Mishpochah, when I was speaking and I told you all these things were going on… Michael have you ever spoken in an environment like I was speaking in?

Michael: No!

Sid: You hope you never do I think. Anyway it was an experience. As I’m speaking a one beautiful young Israeli I just kind of catch her eye, and I didn’t realize God was doing something. So I started talking to her and then all of a sudden a word of knowledge came, I spoke the word of knowledge and hers was the first hand that was raised and she was healed. I said… and I didn’t even realize it at the time “Did you notice me looking at you just before you were healed? God picked you out, God healed you.” I loved it! Tell me someone that was healed.

Michael: That same family there was an older aunt. She was walking away and as she was walking away I thought she was leaving and the Lord had spoken to my heart about her shoulder in a word of knowledge. So she was walking away and I figured “Well it’s too late now” and the Lord said “Michael be obedient.” So I went up to her and I said “Excuse me, can I pray for your shoulder? Have you had problems with your shoulder?” She said “Yes, yes.” So to make a long story short I asked the Lord if He would a brand new rotator cuff in her shoulder, and he did. She was swinging her arm like a windmill, and praising God, even though she was unsaved, to the Lord because of the fact that her shoulder was healed. Thanking God that her shoulder was healed and she had all arthritis, bursitis, whatever you want to call it, God gave her a brand new shoulder. There was also another thing Sid that was extremely dark, extremely demonic that took place on Wednesday night which we weren’t even aware it was going to be happening. They had these huge boulders around in a circle, and a smaller group of rocks that were in an area to make a fire for. At one point in time as we were out there ministering on this like main area, main pathway that went into the fair, and what was interesting was when we would say to someone, or you would say to someone because the Lord had showed you to do this first. “Do you speak English?” Then asking them if you could ask them a question, and specifically have they ever seen miracles, do they believe in miracles, and opening up the door to talk to them about the miracle service that would be coming. The interesting thing was, that when this celebration, or ceremony took place, and it was a truly dark pagan ceremony, with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these young people all around this rock area in a circle and drums just continuously beating and chanting and all kinds of things going on all at the same time. While all that was going on, at the same time we were out a little bit further away and people were coming to know the Lord. Young adults were being drawn supernaturally by God to come away from the fire circle as I call it, and to come away from this pagan celebration of darkness to come into the light to hear about Yeshua and to hear about miracles. They were coming to accept Him even during all that was going on at the same time, with the drumming and all the paganistic things that were happening.

Sid: There was one man who comes to mind who walked up to me. He wanted to sell me on a New Age meditation course so he hands me his brochure, and I’m thinking to myself “There’s no way this guy’s going to accept the Lord.” I started talking and God opened his heart and he came to the Lord. You know it’s not by man’s might or man’s power, but it’s only by the Spirit of God.

Michael: Yes, hallelujah.

Sid: I tell you this is the set time, yea the set time in which God is removing the spiritual scales from the eyes of Jewish people. Simultaneously because it says in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy” simultaneously He’s removing the spiritual scales from the eyes of Gentile Christians. This is God’s time to reach the Jew and God has given me a strategy and understanding of the next… the greatest and perhaps the last move of God’s move on planet earth and so many Christians do not have a clue. You must understand the Jew, you must understand Israel, you must understand the heart of God at this moment. There is a mandate in the heavenlies that Christian and Jews must have the middle wall of separation come down between the two of us and unite to become the One New Man, the true body of Messiah.

Sid: My guest Bob Larson has devoted his life to understanding world religions and alternative spirituality.   I asked him a question before we went on the air and I was actually shocked Bob Larson over your answer. And the question was “Did you hire researchers to research all of these 100’s of religions that you have in this brand new book of yours and what did you say to me?”

Bob:  No I’ve done all the research on it, I probably  have the most voluminous library of any Christian in the country; personal library on cult, occult and all sorts of spiritual phenomena.  I just made it a point to collect of this through the years I’m sitting here right now and I could just walk over and pick up the biggest Free Mason Bible you ever found. (Laughing)

Sid: Well, let’s talk about that. What is wrong; I mean most people have a relative who’s a Mason. I had an uncle who was a Mason and he tried so hard to get me in and I’m so glad I didn’t go into it.  What was I spared?

Bob:  Well, first of all it is a religion though they claim not to be a religion but it’s a godless religion and in fact it’s a Luciferian religion.  In American Free Masonry particularly Scot…

Sid: But wait a second if you talk to the average Mason they’ll say you’re off your rocker because they never heard anything about Lucifer the devil in their religion.  Isn’t it true that you have to get high up before you realize the source?

Bob:  Yes, you got to get 32^nd degree and higher before you’re going to know what’s going on. But Albert Pike who is the godfather of American Free Masonry was an avowed Luciferian and Satan worshiper. And he makes no bones about this and I’ve read his books; there’s a real danger though are the vows and the oaths spoke in secret even at the earliest enter apprenticeship degree.  So anybody who has gotten into the lodge has had to speak a death oath over their lives and swear fidelity to Free Mason Brothers above family members. And will not reveal to you what goes on in the lodge on penalty of death.

Sid: Now is there any connection between Mormonism and Masons?

Bob:  Oh absolutely. Joseph Smith, Jr. borrowed his whole religious concept from Free Masonry.  All the secret rituals in the Mormon temple were originally Free Mason rituals that’s why the Masons and the Mormons hate each other so much is because the Mason’s say “You stole our religion.”

Sid: But wait a second if Masons, which you explained so beautifully in your book, is Luciferian, Lucifer the devil are you saying that Mormonism teaches that too?

Bob:  It has for a number of years only because others like me have taken a stand against this have they changed some of the secret ceremonies in the Mormon temple and overtly taken Lucifer out of it. But he used to be there in all of the endowment ceremonies.

Sid: I’ll tell you Mishpochah you really need his book; where he talks about all of these different religions. Here’s a section on Zen Buddhism, a section of Christian Science; I’m just opening it at random.  Christian Science, a section on Karate? Wait a second their Christians that are involved in Karate Bob.

Bob:  Not all martial arts are evil, but the danger is that if you have the wrong teacher who has the wrong tradition they can lead you very subtly beyond the athletic and physical prowess aspects into other things and you need to know what the guidelines are before you get into it.

Sid: What about, and I was really shocked to see this in your book and maybe I should not have been, one of the categories you have is Native American Religion.

Bob: Well, Native American Religions involved in various forms and traditions self-mutilation and torture ceremonies to obtain spirituality. The use of drugs and hallucinogens to alter the consciousness, and on vision quest and other aspects of seeking spirituality looked for spirit guides.  So through totems, through animals, and through various forms or other worldly beings, most Indians end up with spirit guides. We have our new center in Arizona and we’ve had a number of people come over here from the Navaho reservations nearby and get deliverance from these animal spirits.

Sid:  Let’s talk a little bit about some of these metaphysical things that are so popular today they call them self-help courses, transcendental meditation doctors are recommending it to lower your blood pressure and your cholesterol. What’s wrong with TM?

Bob:  Well, first of all when you get into transcendental meditation you’re given a mantra the mantra often is the name of a Hindu god although because of public criticism they’ve gotten away from that somewhat.  You pay homage to the maharishi, to guru Dev his spiritual master and the other linage of eastern god man so you enter into a form of adultery.  And then by detaching yourself through the recitation of these mantras you really open yourself up for demonic invasion. I’ve done exorcisms and deliverances on scores and scores of people that have come out of TM. I did one one yesterday, not yesterday, but a couple of weeks ago on a man who was one  of the highest best known instructors in the entire TM movement.  Sid I wish you could have seen what happened when I placed a Bible on his forehead and said “In the Name of Christ I come against the psychic third eye of the seventh chakra in transcendental meditation.”  That guy flew out of his chair and he said “What in the world happened I just felt like an electric shock going through my body?”

Sid: Hmm.

Bob:  He was delivered from that but he didn’t understand what he had gotten into, it’s very dangerous.

Sid: You know what I find fascinating and I was actually looking at one of the categories in your book and it’s called because I knew what it was “Metropolitan Community Church” that’s the homosexual church.

Bob:  Yes.

Sid: But the history of it was fascinating, this guy started out as a real Christian just like Jim Jones started out as a real Christian.

Bob:  Yeah, oh yeah he was a Pentecostal Preacher.  In fact that’s one of the ways the church grew so rapidly in beginning is that it was so highly charismatic.  Of course the gay community loved the emotion charged nature of the services.  Now they branched off also into more liturgical gay congregations but the real seed of that… listen I have been in Metropolitan Community Church services that if you didn’t look around and see the drag queens you would think that you’re in the most spiritually charged charismatic church in town.

Sid: And you know what I have had, I hate to use the word, but I have debates with a Jewish homosexual friend of mine and they are so blind.  I show them the scripture and they don’t even respond. But at least in your book you put the apologetics of why they believe homosexuality is acceptable but they still don’t make any sense.

Bob:  Well it doesn’t but you still have to at least have to understand where they’re coming from. You know you can’t march down the street that says “Gays are going to Hell” that doesn’t get you anywhere. (Laughing)

Sid: Hmm, of all of the cults and occult groups that you’ve listed hundreds which one intrigues you the most?  I don’t know that that’s a fair question but…

Bob: I don’t know that if intrigue would be the right word but the ones that I think that I find the most deceptive and the most dangerous are the ones who cozy up to Christianity.  We’ve always talked about some of them.  The Free Masons, the Mormons, and of course the miracles I find it interesting how these groups the Church Universal in Triumphant.

Sid: How about Louis Farrakhan they mix the Bible with what they believe but what they believe is so diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus.

Bob: All of these groups borrow just enough from Christianity to make people who have some Christian background comfortable and then they overlay it with their own particular doctrine of demons but they don’t tell you that up front. I’m sure you know that groups like the Mormon Church and others specifically target lukewarm or former Christians.

Sid: Listen there is, and this is a new one for you, probably there are a group of traditional rabbis that go after Jewish people that have become believers in Jesus and their fulltime profession is talk them out of their faith because the say “These are the best potential Jews, they’re just misguided.”

Bob:  (Laughing) Well that’s the same philosophy the Mormon’s have; absolutely, the same way with the Jehovah Witnesses they don’t want absolute pagans they want people who know enough about Christianity to be dangerous but not enough to defend their faith.  And that’s why I wrote the book so that we can be ready as Peter said “To give an answer to everyone that asks the reason of the hope that is within us.”

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be on God’s side of the fence. You say “Well if someone is a real Christian they’ll be on God’s side of the fence.” Not necessarily if you study history. The only way to be on God’s side of the fence is not doing what you feel, not doing what you sense, if it’s in contradiction to the pure written word of God. If I know anything I know Genesis 12:3 is still true today, and God says, and He’s not a man that He should lie. “I will bless those who bless the Jewish people, I will curse those who curse them.” I have someone on the telephone that knows from firsthand experience, his name is Lance Lambert. He has lived in Israel since 1973, but he’s from Great Britain. He recognizes Genesis 12:3 is still in effect today, but Lance where I would like to go today is there’s a group called Hezbollah. Tell who they, where they are, and what they’re up to.

Lance: They are a Shiite, which is one of the denominations of Islam, one of the major denominations of Islam. A Shiite militia in Lebanon they have been funded and armed by Iran though Syria. Syria has used them as a surrogate force both in Lebanon and against Israel.

Sid: What do you believe they’re going to be up to? What is Syria pushing them to do from Lebanon?

Lance: Well I think Syria has got some serious problems at present because of the assassination of Rafic Hariri the Prime Minister of Lebanon. Now that the United Nations investigative team has discovered that basically it goes right to the very top in Syria, right up to the President Assad’s brother and brother in law. I think that means they’re in a very difficult position. Nevertheless they have been using his Hezbollah to destabilize Lebanon in their favor, and also to try and destabilize Israel. Hezbollah has been arming and training Hamas and Al Jihad the two militias in Israel that are responsible for so many of the suicide bombings and much else. So you have a very serious problem and for many years I have felt, and there are others here in Israel who feel the same, that the trouble is going to come not from the east or from the south, but from the north from Lebanon. One of the reasons was that we… years ago in the 80’s, in the middle of the 80’s, someone got in touch with me from Australia and they had a farmer’s wife with them who had had a vision in the night. They said we know this lady she is a real prayer warrior and she’s very level headed. She took a bus it took her 3 hours she’s come into Sidney and now she’s sitting with us. We said “We’ll phone you and ask you,” that’s me they’re going to phone. What happened was she was going to bed and suddenly she saw everything on fire, mountains all on fire. Three times it happened and it quite terrified her, then she finally asked the Lord “What does this mean?” The Lord gave her a word that “The mountains of the north of Israel would be on fire, but not to fear because the Lord would save Israel.” Then went on to say “Kuwait will be on fire and the smoke will go up to heaven and cover the earth.” A whole number of other things about the nations all joining in and helping by either sending troops or money. Well it was extraordinary because in 1990 that’s exactly what happened when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and set on fire the oil wells which literally circled the earth with a thing which caused a difference in the winter we had. I mean it’s incredible but it’s true. Now the interesting thing is that the beginning of the prophecy and the end of the prophecy she got were not fulfilled.

Sid: Tell me what was not fulfilled.

Lance: What was not fulfilled was the mountains on the north of Israel would be on fire and there would be great carnage.

Sid: The mountains in the north of Israel is what territory?

Lance: Well that could be Lebanon, it could be Syria, and it could be northern Israel.

Sid: What do you think it will be?

Lance: Well I, my feeling, and we’ve felt it for some time, that one of these they’re going to open up and rain down, they have the largest number of rockets…

Sid: You’re talking about Hezbollah?

Lance: Hezbollah yes.

Sid: Okay.

Lance: The largest number and they have been trained by the Iranian revolutionary guard. Now the revolutionary guard of Iran are not to be laughed at they are clever, and very very intelligent. So it’s not going to be a hit and miss thing like we’ve known before with some of our Arab neighbors. So my feeling is one of these days they will open up; now whether Syria will do it now with all this interest focused on her over the assassination of Hariri I don’t know. They could do it to try and take away tension.

Sid: Lance let me ask you a question, have you ever studied from the Bible how much land God has promised, I mean we’re looking at dividing the land which is the opposite of what God wants. How much more than Israel currently has does God say we will have?

Lance: Well we have a problem only in the sense that two or three times the promise land lies between the sea, which is the Mediterranean and the Euphrates, and the River Nile. Now why we say River Nile is because in at least one of those instances the word Nahar is used for river, which is a flowing river, it can only mean the Nile. Whereas other times it is Nakhar which is the wadi of Egypt, which is actually in El-Arish in northern Sinai. What we know is at least the borders of the promised land go up at the very least to the river Zahrani in Lebanon. The rabbis have always felt that one of the wadi’s that goes from the Tigris down… is the border between Saudi Arabia and Jordan is the border of the promised land, and wadi El-Arish is the other border.

Sid: So before the Messiah comes do you think there’s any choice, not that there’ll be a two-state solution, but that Israel will have a lot more land?

Lance: It’s possible, entirely possible. Certainly when the Lord does come it will happen.

Sid: Okay Lance Lambert I do respect you prophetic sense. I want you to give us a last word as to what you see is going to be going on now in the near future in the Middle East.

Lance: I think we are in for an incredibly bumpy ride for the next year at least. Anything could happen, I’ve said it again and again, if we wake up one day it will never surprise me if we wake up one day to discover Iran has exploded a nuclear device. If that happens the whole situation in the Middle East will change literally overnight

Sid: Wait a second, what do you mean if? Of course this is going to happen they’re not going to stop.

Lance: No, no absolutely, and they’re playing amazing games with France, Germany and Britain over this, and of course the United States. It’s very interesting they seem… they must be near to a breakthrough because they’re literally fighting for months as it were of time.

Sid: It looks to me like that whole Middle East could be a powder cake very shortly, but again the repercussion on America… I’m concerned about the Middle East, I’m concerned about Israel, but the repercussion on America… you know if America becomes third world how in the world are we going to get the gospel out like we have?

Lance: Absolutely right that’s what I’ve said all along. The United States is the last Bastian of Biblical principal and truth.

Sid: Listen Mishpochah we’re out of time.

Sid: I’m going to tell you something, by the time you finish listening to the interview I’m doing with Paul McGuire, you probably seen Paul he’s been a guest many times on the Fox news network.  He’s been on the History Channel, you’ve probably seen him on programs like O’Reilly as a guest commentator.  And Paul on yesterday’s broadcast you started to say something that God has shown you that I believe is also true. I’m going to have you share that again. Before you do that I want to establish the credibility that God has used you for prophetic warnings in the past of things that have come true.  Tell me a few.

Paul: Sid what happens is the Holy Spirit will push me into an area of research or to research about events or a group or a name.  And many times you know this won’t mean anything to me intellectually. I research credible sources I’m very skeptical and I research mainstream credible sources.  About a year before 911 I publicly stated and I made comments to the affect that there was a group called Al Qaeda that there was a terror attack on the Twin Trade Towers that I discussed Saddam Hussein and invasion of Iraq. I talked about weapons of mass destruction and I talked about all of the things that the intelligence community after 911 said that they weren’t up to speed on.  And I couldn’t figure out how they weren’t up to speed on it when the Lord revealed to me that all of these things were going to happen.

Sid: Just out of curiosity, how did the Lord reveal that to you?

Paul:  The primary way the Lord reveals things to me is He does it twofold; number one He directs me to do thorough research and then He gives me supernatural revelation either through dreams, through pictures, or an inner sense of knowing.

Sid: For instance in 1994 where you were living there was something called “The North Ridge Earthquake” and your whole neighborhood was devastated and nothing happened to your home or your property, why?

Paul: Well, that year was a key year for me because I had written some books on Bible prophecy, but I must admit to you Sid I had kind of a cynical attitude towards prophecy even though I’d write about it.  So when there was this ear splitting noise at 4:00 AM in the morning it sounded like a locomotive train smashed through the living room of our house.  And my wife grabs our three babies at one time like the bionic woman, we go out with all the lights out in the neighborhood.  All my neighbors come to my driveway because we’re at the end of the cul-de-sac and in the dark all my neighbors, many of them Jewish and nonbelievers they knew that I was an author and for some strange reason they kept asking me the question “Are these the signs of the times that Jesus talked about and is this the end of the world.”  And I must have been asked that question a hundred times in the month or two that followed the North Ridge Earthquake.  And God used that earthquake to radically change my viewpoint on Bible prophesy. From that moment forward it was like a veil was taken from my eyes and it was like I woke up from a dream and I realized that we really were living in the last days. So I’ve devoted my life to warning people, and preparing people, and educating people about the fact that we are in the last days.

Sid: Now did it kind of blow you out of the water when God started revealing to you things and then they would start happening like “The Iranian Sleeper Cells in the US, the anthrax, the biological chemical nuclear weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein, Iraq” I mean these were all going on Al Qaeda’s first attack, the second attack on the world.  I mean when you knew these things before they happen what did you think?

Paul:  I thought that they were true because the inner sense of the Lord speaking to me was so powerful and so overwhelming that there was no real doubt. And I’ll give you another example, that after the 911 event happened there was a long period of time it was like having night vision or some kind of radar where I could literally sense the presence of terrorist cells located not specifically but in general regions of the United States.  It was as if I could feel their presence; and the Lord said “Now you need to pray about it.”  See that’s a revelation supernaturally and that’s the way the Lord has been dealing with me. There’s an even coming soon and when I say soon I can’t give you an exact period of time, but I believe with all my heart the Lord has quickened me by the power of His Holy Spirit like a watchman; I’m commanded when I see the danger I’ve had to blow the shofar and warn the people of God.  There is a cataclysmic event a crisis event that is soon about that’s going to happen to America soon that will shake this nation to it’s very core and people are going to be given a choice and that choice will be to either follow God and the principals of God and look to God as their source and their protector and deliverer, or to make the false choice which is to look to man to be god and government to be god.  Now if the people in the United States including the church makes the false choice to look to government or man to be god they will be worshiping the spirit of anti-Christ and there are going to pay a severe penalty.

Sid: Now I know God hasn’t shown you what the cataclysmic thing would be but use your sanctified imagination and give me an example of what it might be.

Paul:  It may be multiple nuclear bombs being detonated in major cities simultaneously.

Sid: We’ve heard about those suitcase bombs that we can’t find; so it would be something like that?

Paul:  It could be an economic collapse, but it would happen suddenly like you wake up in the morning and all the banks are closed.  It could be an EMP attack which knocks out our power grid and communications, or it could be a nuclear missile or several nuclear missiles fired perhaps accidentally from another nation like Russia or North Korea or whatever and everybody thinks it’s not going to get through and it does get through and suddenly this nuclear missile pierces the atmosphere and it wipes out a major US city with a mushroom cloud.

Sid: Just briefly I believe that what you’re saying is from God what can people do to prepare?

Paul:  Well, the Lord has given me the sense of urgency not to scare people so my goal is not to frighten people, my goal is to… the Lord told me talk about this in the DVD your offering and the book your are offering as a prophetic warning so that people would turn back to God and people would begin to pray and people especially Christians.  The Bible says as you know “Judgment begins in the House of the Lord.”  And people are always pointing to people who are not believers and the sins of nonbelievers as the reason for God’s judgment.  But the Lord has showed me the primary reason for His judgment will not be because of the sins of nonbelievers it will be because of the sin of the church.  Therefore, if we repent, if we seek the face of God the Lord has told me specifically and He gave me a very powerful vision; the most powerful vision in my entire life.  “If we will repent the Lord will grant us a temporary reprieve and He will drive back the powers of darkness.  How long that will occur I don’t know but God told me He will pour out grace instead of judgment if we will seek His face.

Sid:  You know I’ve been studying Jeremiah and there was a point of no return in Jeremiah meaning the decision was made and your saying that we haven’t reached that point in America in your opinion, or in God’s opinion more important?

Paul:  I believe we’re dancing right on the edge we’re right on the threshold of crossing over that terrible line when there will be no going back.

Sid: So the warning, your giving people is not necessarily unless God tells him to store up guns and food and gold and silver. But store up on the Holy Spirit, is that what you’re saying?

Paul: Absolutely, and I believe the Lord has given us one last brief window of opportunity to seek His face and repent. If that repentance is genuine and if we seek His face in Spirit and truth we will see the supernatural power of God released on America with such force it will be a third grade awakening.

Sid: It kind of sounds like young guy that what was that the Lambs Club and the fire of God came on Him.  Is that what you’re expecting the fire of God to come on those that are seeking God at this point?

Paul:  Yes, July 4^th of this past year my wife and I were having a Bible study and we were reminiscing, we’d been married over 35 years and we were dating in Manhattan about 35 years ago and the great July 4^th celebration where ships from around the world gathered. We were talking about that on July 4^th, then I felt lead to pray with her for America so very calmly I began to intercede for America and I repented of my own sins and then I interceded and repented of the sins of the church. Immediately after the repentance I was set on fire by the power of God in a way that I have never experienced before. And I calmly told my wife while I was praying I looked at my fingers my 5 fingers and they were burning, they were burning hot. In fact, they were burning so hot I couldn’t understand why I was not in pain. But it was a supernatural burning.  And then I could feel every cell in my body burning with fire in my entire being burning with fire.  And I was relating this to my wife and I said to my wife; I’m healed I felt the power of God supernaturally pour through me and I felt distinctly that I was miraculously healed.  I cannot tell you precisely what disease I was healed of ….

Sid: But I can tell you this we’re out of time right now, but Paul has been raised up by God to so expose the master plan and the key players of those involved with the mark of the beast and the microchip. He has spent the last 30 years, he’s probably the most expert in the natural on the microchip and where it is right now.

Sid: Have I got good news for you I have Pastor Henry Wright on the telephone and this is we’re coming to the home stretch the second week talking about his updated expanded book called “A More Excellent Way.” It’s a manual it really is on the spiritual roots of disease and literally when you can find the root of your disease and you can get rid of it through prayer and through repentance.  Then healing comes; it’s that simple.  And the longer that Henry has been in this the more truth and the more understanding and the more wisdom that he has picked up.  But before we went on the air and I have to just make this statement that if a doctor tells you to take a particular medicine because you have a life threatening type of situation you better take that medicine.  But there’s a flipside of the coin and Henry you were talking to me about this and I have on the phone Pastor Henry Wright Pastor of Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston, Georgia.  Henry you were saying there is the flipside and the overuse of drugs; explain.

Henry:  Well the flipside is very important and again as important that your audience understands that as you mentioned do not stop taking your drugs because you hear this conversation.  It’s time to now go back and find out why are we taking the drug; I think probably that would be the big part of this conversation.  Let me give you some statistics and I’ll give you something that Dr. Julian Whitaker has said in his writing and also a program by Oprah Winfrey earlier this year that has the same statistics that I do in Be In Health.  Let’s just talk about FDA approved drugs; the statistics that we have are very accurate is that the number 3 killer of people in America of all the top 10 on the list of killers of people in America, the number 3 is death from properly prescribed and administered FDA approved drugs. That does not include the 2 million that are permanently disabled and damaged by FDA approved drugs.  What makes this statistic incredible is that death from illegal drugs including marijuana, heroin, cocaine and all the rest of them put together does not even make the top 10 of the statistical observation.  That as Dr. Julian Whitaker has said in his writings, I guess the war on drugs needs to be immediately redefined because we are a people that is extremely filled with fear of disease, dear of dying and fear of death.  Now in this understanding of this it’s important to understand that with drugs comes the side effects of a drug.  And the side of effects of a drug is another disease; now let’s go to the Oprah Winfrey said and this is astounding to me I mean I got the statistics but I’d never had looked at this way but she graphically brought it into focus. As she began to challenge America to wake up “Why are we becoming a drug nation, a drugged nation?”  And by the way that includes believers and Christians we’re no different or in better shape than the world when it comes to drugs and disease and all these problems.  Oprah said this Sid that “If you had a Jumbo 747 jet liner loaded with an average of 350 people aboard that crashed in America and everybody aboard lost their life in that day it happened the number of people dying actually dying from the side effects of properly prescribed and administered FDA approved drugs is equivalent to one of these Jumbo 747’s crashing every single day of the year in America;” every single day.  If that happened in aviation there would be a national outcry but there’s not one person well, maybe a few of us that are even raising an eyebrow to what’s happening in America.

Sid: Now why is this?

Henry:  Because well first of all if God isn’t answering our prayer the doctor don’t have any solution for incurable disease and they don’t all that we have going for us is disease management.  What they call health care is really a subtle way of bewitching you in your thinking because it’s really not health care at all it is disease management.  And everything that’s going in America right now it’s not the cure of disease my friend, it is disease management.  And in the journal of American Medicine it says “The best that American’s have coming in the next 100 years in health and science are miracle drugs, more drugs, miracle drugs and genetic engineering.  And so I think I guess what I’d like to say today is that behind many of the diseases that we deal with in “Be in Health” that require the use of a drug.  High blood pressure for example, or asthma for example, or any of these other diseases that utilize beta-blockers and beta enhancers to kick the imbalance of the sympathetic nervous system back into balance is not solving the problem.  If for example in the case of high blood pressure which we talked about last week if hypertension or high blood pressure is a result of a person worrying about the future, that is fear anxiety distress issue and if that’s able to cause a cell membrane a semi-rigid cardiovascular system you can give the person a drug which is a beta-blocker and that will keep them going and that will take care of the high blood pressure.  But it hasn’t delivered them or fixed them from the worry or the fear.  Another is bound by two problems they’ve got the same worry now they got the drug with all of the side effects.  I think that’s why Paul in Galatians Chapter 5 Sid, if you look up in Galatians Chapter 5 in the King James version I think the NIV calls it the same thing sorcery or witchcraft. And look up in the Strong’s concordance the word witchcraft it literally says “The pharmacist, pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical drugs, druggist.  And in here Paul emphatically it’s not illegal drugs that’s found over in the same verse under the term drunkenness.  So when you go over Galatians Chapter 5 you find drunkenness that would be alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, heroin and all the rest of that illegal drugs.  But the word witchcraft for sorcery is pharmaceutical drugs.  Now Paul calls it a work of the flesh right in with adultery and all the rest of it. Why?  Because even in Paul’s time, even without the lack of scientific investigation that we have today Paul knew that taking a drug would not get you sanctified it would not deal with the root issue. And what Paul was saying you need find out what’s wrong in your life, get your spirituality straightened out let God become part of your life, get your mind renewed, get that sin out your life and then your body will come back into balance and you won’t need these drugs to manage you.  And that is as a pastor I am concerned but because it’s time to wakeup America. It’s time to wakeup church; unless we’re just going to go from generation to generation of being bewitched.  It’s time to go back to God and get our lives straightened out so that we will not need these drugs that we happen to take today and that’s a more excellent way.

Sid: And that’s where you got your title from, there is a more excellent way than…

Henry:  Absolutely.

Sid: Then managing your diseases. But don’t people do that also with things like anger, and addictions they manage it rather than having freedom?

Henry:  Well, it’s just like in the Psychiatric Journals there’s a disease Americans have called social phobia and 10 million Americans have social phobia and that is fear of man.  You know…

Sid: People that are afraid of standing up in front of a group for example.

Henry:  There are people that are afraid of people and you know what the medical community gives the person who has social phobia the drug Paxil which is an anti-anxiety drug.  Now does the drug deliver you from the fear of man? See what the Bible says “Fear not what man can do unto you but put your trust in the Lord.”  Why would we be afraid of other humans? Boy that is really a good question, and why are we more afraid of people then we are God?

Sid: Hmm.

Henry:  You see?  We are because we don’t see God with our physical eyes right now so He seems to be a long ways away. But that person down the street that doesn’t like you you can see them every day and you’re afraid of them.  Well, see that’s sin that opens up the door for all kinds of problems in our life that produces disease.  So I guess what I’m saying in this subject here is that it’s time to rethink what we’re doing in Be in Health Global as we begin to help people understand their spirituality and their thoughts.  We want to bring people back to the peace of God.  You don’t need an anxiety drug you just might need deliverance from fear.  And you know what you don’t need a bunch of pills church, you just need one. The gos-pill, that’s what we need.

Sid: Henry how many diseases have you found the spiritual roots for?

Henry:  We are researching over 700 but it becomes easier than you could imagine because in researching the specific roots behind disease we actually finding disease classes.  For example gastrointestinal diseases follow a certain pathway of spirituality, cardiovascular diseases fall another networking of spirituality, autoimmune diseases follow another.  So we’re following what causes the disease. Actually the word disease is a spin off from the word “dis ease” and the “dis ease” of our life begins in our spirituality.  If our spirituality is incorrect then our long term memory or our psyche or our psychology will be wrong. That’s why the word of God comes to separate the soul from the spirit that we can get God’s mind, what God has said about our life.  If it says in 2 Timothy 1:7 that “God has not given us a spirit of fear but power, love and of sound mind” then why in the world would we want to be following something that’s not from God. If God is not from God, then where in the world is it from?  And why should it be part of our lives.

Sid: You know according to information I’ve read that you’ve made available there is an epidemic of insanity in America.

Henry:  Oh gosh, I was shocked when I read the statistics the other day; actually the first part of this year I was reading some research and as you know we do a lot of research here. They did a survey people that do these surveys and investigation.  I think it was World Health Organization if I’m not mistaken were researching nations on this planet and their susceptibility to mental disease.  Shockingly enough the nation that has the highest percentage of mental disorder and are on psychiatric drugs and counseling…

Sid: It’s the United States we’re out of time…