Sid: I have to tell you something, I agree with the Orthodox Jewish Rabbi’s in this point, they say “We are in the footsteps of Messiah.”  You can almost hear His footsteps every day that you see the headlines in the newspapers.  You see what’s going on in the financial shaking throughout the world, that you see what’s going on in the weather. I mean you’d have to be a zombie, you’d have to be dead to not realize that we are in the footsteps of Messiah. My guest is Steve Hill and Steve had an open vision which he saw and he saw an avalanche of deception hitting.  And why not the Bible says that in the last days “There will be deception” and that’s what he has seen.  When people hear your vision or read your new book although you can’t read it yet but we have it available do they accuse you of being unloving, old fashion I mean this holiness stuff that’s passé.

Steve: Well Sid I appreciate you bring that up and I welcome the audience and it’s just great talking with you.  People believe it or not, as they listen to the vision they have been kinder then negative.  It’s like I don’t know it’s like a spiritual father speaking to the children sternly.  And yeah we do have the negative but I don’t ever answer them and David Wilkerson taught me that, he said, “Don’t waste your time.” He said “But minister to the people.”  I’ve got in my hands something; now an avalanche is a pile, it comes from a piling of snow on top of layer, after layer, after layer and then it gets so tall it’s got to give way and it’s called a slab.  And the old days Sid they used to call…they used to think that the devil would ride and witches would ride on the top of these avalanches and they would guide them into the cities.  Think about this and they would kill everyone in their path, this is what people believe and would to God that people would believe what I have seen in this vision that I have in my hand am avalanche probe.  It is 10 ½ feet long and it’s the most violent tool I’ve ever had in my tool chest and the hardest illustration that I’ve ever used.  It actually you use it to stab the snow dig deeper and deeper it’s a long shaft and you’re looking for bodies; you’re looking for bodies.  I have in front of me Sid because of this avalanche of false teaching; I’ve got in front of me a montage or a collage of pictures of avalanches and warning signs and in the middle of it are body bags; body bags full of dead skiers.  And I’m going “God not on my watch, I’m going to use this avalanche to represent the truth of Jesus, the truth of Yeshua and I’m going to go down and down and I’m going to find the people that are barely breathing.  I’m going to find the backsliders; I’m going to find the prodigals; I’m going to find these people and get them out of the snow before they die,” that’s why it could kill millions but I’m going to do everything I can to stop it.

Sid: Steve, my concern and I have a major burden for the kids that are in college, the kids that are in high school, and even elementary school they’re being…I mean you’re talking about the believer’s that are getting deception.  I’m worried about the ones that never even become believers that never even because they’re taught such lies about God and about the Bible something has got to penetrate them.  And the only thing I know that can penetrate them is what I saw you do at Brownsville and that is the presence of the power of the living God changing lives, transforming people.  I want you to speak to people now about the power of God.

Steve: Wherever you are at spiritually God loves you and has a plan for your life, I have preached to millions just as Sid has preached to millions.  At the Brownsville revival they came from everywhere they came from 160 nations of the world and now I travel around the world and it’s amazing.  No they’re not at Brownsville any more they came to get a touch and that’s what’s going to happen to you right now.  They came to get a touch and they went back to Singapore, and they went back to Ethiopia, they went back to Austria, they went back to their nations and God mightily moved.  And as I travel the Spirit of God that touched them He’s still moving.  So right now if you’re away from God, if you need Jesus to touch you maybe you’ve been consumed by this false teaching and you feel in your spirit something’s wrong or maybe you’ve never ever known the Lord.  There’s only one way to Heaven and that’s through the shed blood of Jesus; He died for you a man turned God, a God turned Man; Man God.  He died for you 2000 years ago on a rugged cross and there’s no greater love than this that a man put His life down for His friends.  He died for you my friend, and He wants to save you, He wants to set you free and as John the Baptist said, “Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.  And I’m using my avalanche probe right now to go into the hearts of men, women and children; pray with me out loud say “Jesus,” brother or sister pray with me say “Jesus, I ask You now to save me, I have sinned, I’m sorry, wash me Jesus, I repent.  Be my Savior, my Lord and my very best Friend, in Jesus Name Amen.”

Sid: Amen. Steve since you came back from the deathbed literally you did you should have been dead according to all the reports, the anointing of God has so, would you say that’s it fair to say it’s doubled on you?

Steve: Well, I’m not going to say that….

Sid: I’ll say it, I’ll say it then.

Steve: I am amazed at the anointing right now, and I’m talking about the power of God so…

Sid: Listen I’m shaking in my chair as you’re talking you don’t have to tell me. (Laughing)

Steve: It’s amazing man and another beautiful thing about the power of God is that you don’t have to be there for Him to touch you He can touch you right now and I pray that on everyone listening, “Touch them Lamb of God; touch them Jesus may they experience a fresh anointing Lamb of God in Jesus Name.”

Sid: I believe that if everyone listening to us right now if you’re sick, if you would take your hand and either put it on your body or if possible put it on the part of your body that you need healing I believe that if Steve prays right now that anointing on him will blast out just like those weapons get rid of the avalanches will blast out the cancer, the heart trouble the diabetes, the pain of any kind in your body.  Would you pray right now Steve?

Steve: Jesus, You know us, you knit us together in our mother’s womb, you know everything about us and right now I speak to every sickness, every disease be it cancer, heart problems, blood diseases Lord God, mind problems whatever it might be.  Sicknesses that just go on forever Lamb of God but you covered it all, every single sickness was covered on the back, on Your back on the cross. And Jesus today we look at the back of the cross and we thank You for Your healing, we thank You for the stripes, we thank You Lord that You paid the prince.  We receive it now in Jesus Name Amen.

Sid: Steve I want you to put together a few minutes of your final thoughts of what God is showing you through your vision of the avalanche.

Steve: I want to warn you that God has wrapped His hands around the rope that closes the curtain of this play that we call life.  He is ready to wrap things up, all the signs, everything is in place and I can’t believe anyone would not open up their Spirit and say “You know what this is for real, this is not a game I need to get right and stay right with Jesus.”  And I want to encourage you my friend, not only giving your life to Jesus but living your life day and in and day out for the Lord and you will be used of the Spirit of God in signs and wonders; and isn’t that your goal to be used of God.  God bless you, love you this is Steve Hill.  And I don’t know man God has plans for your life, in Jesus Name.

Sid: Well, I want everyone equipped to fulfill their destiny; personally for me I’m going to live into my nineties and then if I want to live more I think I will because I believe that I don’t believe that we have that much time.  I think Jesus is ready to come back any second and we have to live our life like that.

Sid:  What you’re about to hear I believe is the most important teaching I have ever done.  I believe that if you can comprehend and grasp, and I pray to God that I make it clear; if you can comprehend and grasp what I’m about ready to teach, it will dramatically change your life, your family’s life, and even this nation’s life.  Why?  Because this is what God calls the set time to favor Zion.  Now what do I mean by favor Zion? What I mean by favor Zion is the highest favor.  There are many things that can be done for the Jewish people and the nation Israel, and all of them are correct before God. From doing things such as humanitarian aid, such as helping Jews make Aliyah, return to Israel.  Such as having bless Israel nights, and I am in favor of all of these things. But there is a higher purpose for our life in these days, and God says “He who wins souls is wise.”  So why at this set time to favor Zion, why should be telling Jewish people that the Messiah has already come.  He is the Jew Jesus. You have to understand there is a particular call or anointing on physical Jews, it’s found in John chapter 4 verse 22. Jesus says “Salvation is of the Jews.”  Meaning every Gentile that knows Jesus owes a debt of gratitude to some Jewish person maybe back a number of generations but someone, some Jewish person, someone somewhere was faithful to bring the gospel and through that chain of people you got saved.  Why? Because salvation is of the Jews.  Well, if salvation is of the Jews what’s the call of the Gentile believer?  Glad you asked, Roman’s 11:11 “The call of the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy.”  It says actually in Roman’s 11:11 “To provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles,” or I like to just rearrange that and say “Salvation had come to the Gentiles to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.”  Now can you see the spiritual DNA in a Jew is to reach the Gentile the spiritual DNA in a Gentile is to reach the Jew.  But we’re coming into a season for the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. The key to this great move of God; in history is what I’ve been talking about at the beginning of every radio broadcast for years and years the One New Man.  Now you have to understand judgment, judgment is a Biblical term; there is the day of judgment coming rapidly towards us; but what is the key to judgment on nations, and what is the key to judgment on people?  Most people call themselves Christians and they don’t even know what this key is.  I’ll tell you what the key is, your treatment of the Jew in Israel releases blessings or judgment on individuals, on cities and on nations.  Genesis 12:3 tells us the key God says “Those who bless you,” I’m reading from the New Living Translation.  “I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who treat you with contempt.” Whose you?  The Jewish people Abraham’s seed, “I God will bless those who bless you, and curse those who treat you with contempt; all families on earth will be blessed through you.”  Abraham and his physical seed, or the reverse is true; all families of the earth will be cursed through you.  You see God judges Israel Himself. You read the Old Testament and you find out that God has a point where judgment pours forth.  He holds back more than anyone I’ve ever known, but there comes a point where judgment pours fourth and God judges Israel for her own sins.  But God uses Israel to judge the nations for their sins.  All that occurs is when a nation goes against the Jew or Israel they face the judgment of God.

Years ago FEMA used to have a web site that listed the worst economic disasters to ever hit America. Here’s the amazing thing 9 of the 10 worst economic disasters from things like hurricanes etcetera; to ever hit the United States 9 out of 10 according to FEMA occurred within hours of our Administration going against Israel.  Obadiah 1:15 in  the New Living Translation says “The day” and that’s talking about the Day of the Lord, or the Day of the Lord’s judgment; “The Day is near when I the Lord will judge all godless nations; as you have done to Israel so it will be done to you.”  Could it be any clearer?  I don’t think it could be any clearer.  Matthew 25:40 here’s a New Testament reference for the same thing.  Remember that chapter a great chapter Matthew 25 talks about a shepherd dividing goats from sheep and it represents nations. There will be goat nations in the last days and sheep nations in the last days and there was only one point separating a goat nation from a sheep nation. And that point is found in Matthew 25:40.  “And the king will answer and say to them assuredly I say to you in so much as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren you did it to me.” I looked up the word brethren in the Greek and you know what it means?  My brothers from the womb, who were Jesus’ brothers and sisters from the womb?  The Jewish people, now let me read it to you in context “And the King,” that’s King Jesus, “will answer and say to them assuredly I say to you in as much as you did it to the one of the least of these my physical brothers from the womb you have done it to me.”  And Joel 3:2 says “I God will gather all nations and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of my people, my heritage Israel whom they have scattered among the nations and they have divided up my land.”  That same key for judgment found in Matthew 25:40 is found in Joel 3:2.  The judgment is coming against Israel, specifically it says “Dividing up God’s land, Israel.”  But the reverse is true the blessings are there when you bless the Jewish people, the curses are there when you curse them but the blessings are there when you bless the Jewish people.

Major revivals throughout history are connected with what happens to the Jew in Israel. Here let me tell you and these are the biggest, the biggest. In 1897 we had the first Zionist Congress; a Zionist is someone that believes the physical Jew is tied entitled to the physical land of Israel.  So in 1897 Theodore Herzl called the 1^st Zionist Congress and you know what happened?  Just the start of Azusa Street, the Pentecostal revival 1948, you know what happened?  Israel became a nation, you know what the spiritual repercussion of that was?  The great healing revival, men and woman of God were suddenly raised up and tent meetings were raised up and tent meetings were happening all over the United States.  People like Oral Roberts, T.L. Osborn and 100’s of others just sprung up with great miracle ministries 1967 you know what happened ’67?  Jerusalem in Jewish possession, well you know what happened right after that? The charismatic revival, now would you like to know what the next move of God’s Spirit is?  There will be a repercussion from something monumental that will happen in Israel it’s going to cause a move of God’s Spirit like the world has never seen, we’ll get into that; and it’s called the One New Man.  Isaiah 43:19 talks about it.  “For I’m about to do something new, see I have already begun; do you not see it?”  Oops, but I do see we’re out of time I’ll continue teaching right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah of the greatest revolution, the greatest revival, the greatest move of God’s Spirit on planet earth.  And I have in my hands a new book it’s a hardback by George Barna. Many of you are probably familiar with him he’s the founder and directing leader of the Barna Group a research and resource firm whose clients have ranged from such ministries as the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Focus on the Family, to corporations such as Ford, Walt Disney, US Navy, US Army.  And the thing that intrigued me is although George has written 35 books he writes them because of the research that he does through polling principals and the understanding of the scripture, and the prophetic edge he has. What he predicts come to pass because of all of these ingredients and one of his books, which he wrote back in 1990 “The Frog in the Kettle” more than 90% of the predicted outcomes became reality.  And I have in my hand his book “Revolution.”  And let me read from the back of the book “Millions of believer’s have moved beyond the established church and chosen to be the church instead.”  That almost doesn’t make sense George, what do you mean by that?

George: Well, what we have are many, many people that are so committed to their relationship with God that they’re saying “I cannot let anything stand in the way of me having an ever growing relationship with Him.”  And as they have assessed their life and everything taking place within it many of them have realized that while they have counted on their local church to be the place that facilitates the development of that relationship they now realize that actually that body is not really helping then.  And so they have said “You know what I can’t stand before a holy and righteous God after I die and say to Him “Well, don’t blame me it was my churches fault.”  We’re responsible for what takes place in our spiritual development and so if we can work with the church productively that’s a great thing and certainly we want to invest in it and help it grow, but if we don’t have that place that really enabling us to be all that God had really intended us to be, it’s really our responsibility to figure out how to facilitate that.  And what we’re seeing is that millions, tens of millions of people now are saying “I don’t want to just go to church I want to be the church.” And so they’re figuring out how to develop networks of relationships, how to get involved in different types of ministry activities that have absolutely nothing to do with a local church, and it’s not that these people hate the local church you know they would bless it as much as they can. They’re simply saying “But I have to be responsible for my life.  My commitment is such that I cannot stand back and allow my spiritual life to flounder; I have to take this thing by the horns and go for it.”

Sid: In America today the easiest thing is to go with the flow. It takes really almost a move of God for someone to go against that stream.

George: I think this is an incredibly significant period of time where we’ve got this many people who have lived in our culture which on the one hand probably morally is becoming more decadent, then it’s been perhaps it’s history.  But on the other hand we’ve got people who are experiencing so much pain and so much need and so much dissatisfaction and lack of fulfillment with life that they’ve finally come back and realized you know what God is the only answer.  His ways are the only ways that make sense and so I need to get really deeply in touch with that and wrap my life around His principals, so that all of this makes sense.

Sid: Now many of these millions of people that you give the title revolutionary to don’t understand what’s going on for instance take me.  I’ve been a believer now for over 30 years. It’s always been my thought if I don’t do something through the local church, if I’m not submitted to everything the pastor says or if I don’t God forbid attend a local church then there’s something wrong with me.  Do you find others are feeling that way?

George: One of the reasons I wrote the book was to encourage people like you who have that feeling.  As we were doing this research and it just kind of happened on to obviously God led us to this but it wasn’t intentional on our part we discovered that there are all these people throughout the country who have this kind of holy angst within them to try to reach out to God and have this deeper relationship.  We discovered that they couldn’t talk about it because every time they talk to another believer and they said “Well you know I’m not feeling like I’m really getting what I need to be deeper with God from my church.”  Oh, you can’t say that, every time well you know I’ve had to drop out of church so that I could be the church, “Oh you can’t do that.”  And so there was this whole issue that they were struggling with everything they talked to another believer who was part of a congregational church and had not really gone through this process of evaluating what was going on they were made to feel like they were defective Christians like they were second class citizens of the Kingdom of God. And what we’re trying to do now is to help them realize you know what if God wants to orchestrate your life use you in a different way that’s fine. You got to go back in church history and realize human beings made up the local church the way that it’s configured today about 1700 years ago. We’ve kind of made that tradition into something that we believe is holy and cannot be changed.  But the reality is when you look through scripture what you find is that God tells us the kinds of things that we need to believe the ways that we need to live, but He gives us very little in the way of methodology for practicing that.  He wants us to be His holy loving serving people obedient to Him, but whether we do it in a building, outside a building a lot of people a few people doesn’t matter to him.  What He wants is our hearts, he wants us to bear fruit for His kingdom.

Sid: I want you to define a revolutionary, and to tell me what are the passions of a revolutionary?

George:  A revolutionary is somebody who has said when I look at my life what I understand is that I live for one reason and that is to love, obey and serve God.  My life is all about Him, He created me for His purposes not for me to go out trying to make sense out of my own purposes.  And so these are individuals who say “I want more of God in my life, I will do whatever it takes to get it, I will go where He sends me; I will do what He tells me to do.  I live for Him.  That is first and foremost in my life.”  And as we examine these people more closely all these revolutionaries we found that there’s a commonality they have is that their constantly trying to balance these things that we’ve come to label the 7 passions of a revolutionary.  And these very simply are things like having constant intimate worship experiences with God.  In other words not just saying “Hey, I got to be at the place Sunday morning where they do the worship.

Sid: But why does that person have to be a revolutionary what your describing if someone were to know nothing but read the New Testament they would say “George Barna what you’re talking about is normal.”

George: Well, that would be wonderful if that were the case, but the reason we’ve labeled  these people revolutionaries is because they refused to become wrapped up in a the cultural assumptions that have really in many ways prevented us from being 1^st Century Christians. From being the kind of believers the devout followers of Christ that we’re called to be in scripture.  Am I suggesting that this something absolutely new on them?  Absolutely not. What I’m saying is what we’re thankfully finding is a growing cadre of people around the nation who are saying “You know when I read the book of Acts it doesn’t look at all like the church that I’ve been part of.  When I look at the book of Acts it doesn’t seem at all like the life style like I’m living today but I got to get back to that.”

Sid: What are other passions of revolutionaries?

George: Well, we talked about the constant intimate worship, secondly it has to do with having spiritual conversations with people that we know.  You know there’s all the talk about evangelism in churches but that typically become programmatic.  What you see in scripture is that it’s relational, it’s all about developing a personal connection and being able in a regular course of conversation to talk with people about the meaning of Christ for their life.  A third passion has to do with spiritual depth and formation of the person, we might think of this as discipleship.  But having some kind of deep commitment where every day they’re working on their knowledge of God, their relationship to Him and His scriptures.  The fourth passion has to do with how we invest all of the resources that God entrust to us for the advancement of His Kingdom.  So often we look at all the things that we have and we think it’s for us. It’s not for us, He has really kind of hired us, or empowered us to be portfolio managers for the Kingdom.  So our money, our ideas, our relationships, our possessions all these things and more were given to us for one reason, and that’s to advance His Kingdom.  Revolutionaries are constantly thinking about “How do I use it for that purpose.”  A fifth element has to do with our commitment to serving needy people what you see all throughout scriptures, it’s certainly throughout Jesus life is it’s about ministering to other individuals and so revolutionaries have that commitment.  A sixth thing has to do with the nature of our relationship.  Christianity is abundantly relational kind of faith, but it’s not just enjoying each other’s presence it’s also all about accountability being able to help each other grow by being serious about living in ways that scripture talks about.  And the final passion that we’ve found common to revolutionaries had to do with the centrality of family as a faith oriented experience.

Sid: Now do you know what you’re describing to me?

George: What?

Sid: You’re describing the Hebraic understanding of God and working out your relationship with God and man, as opposed to the Greco Roman understanding, that’s what you’re saying.  I even used the work Mishpochah to start my radio show which is a Hebrew word, and it means family.

George: Well, then we need more of that kind of teaching.

Sid: Okay Mishpochah maybe you have felt almost isolated because your so on fire for God and you don’t understand what is going on and you think maybe there’s something wrong with you because you’re almost bored by what’s going on.  You know George I spoke to someone from a very well-known and wonderful congregation that has been going to that congregation now for 30 years.  And you know what they said? The saddest thing, it hasn’t changed in 30 years. If you miss a Sunday you will go the next week and it’s the same.  But God has got so much more, He’s so diverse; you want to understand yourself, you want to understand what’s about ready to happen in the future….

Sid: I have on the telephone someone whose doing what he’s supposed to do he’s provoking this Jewish man to jealousy because I’m speaking to SJ Hill who is in a city in Hawaii it’s called Princeville. SJ you’re provoking me to jealousy just like the Bible says you’re supposed to.

SJ:  (Laughing) Well thank you Sid it’s great being with you; I love the beauty of Hawaii it reminds me of the beauty of God.

Sid: But you know you just got back from a country that I didn’t tell you this it’s one of my favorite countries because they have just restocked their Jewish population, Russian Jews are actually it’s the country of choice even over Israel if they can’t get into the United States is Germany.  And you were telling me you find out that someone had a major healing miracle while you were there; tell me about it.

SJ: Yes, I was actually doing a woman’s conference along with some individual meetings in different churches in the northern part of Germany. I found out afterwards that we had prayed for a young woman who had scoliosis and severe spinal condition.  And since praying for her she had actually grown at least two inches.  And I met her a couple of days after the conference and looking at her from the back it was amazing how much straighter her spine was.  And you know I was just blown away; if I wouldn’t had known better I would have never thought that she had scoliosis because one of my nieces has had that and had to have a serious operation to try and straighten her back.  So…

Sid: Do you know that there is a healing anointing on you speaking right now and it’s going through the airwaves?  There is literally a Spirit of healing and renewal that is just coming over the airwaves right now.  And I wouldn’t be surprised SJ that as we’re speaking people without us even praying people are going to be… In fact I just heard it people’s backs, that’s what you were talking about spines and backs are being healed.  In fact there is someone if you would start walking you’d fine that your hip has been totally restored in Jesus Name.  SJ I was very excited to meet you by telephone because of your book which is really almost new, it’s less than a year old it’s called “Burning Desire” subtitled “The Story of God’s Jealous Love For You.”  Because my wife is doing a very intense reading of the Bible, Old and New Covenant, and she said to me the other day, “You know I just never realized it but it appears as though that God acts so differently in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant; in the Old Covenant He’s going around killing 1000’s of people for disobedience in the Old Covenant He’s doing that. In the New Covenant He’s a God of forgiveness and love.  And He seems so different, what would you have said to her if she said that to you?

SJ: I think first of all we have to look at the Older Covenant from a bridal perspective, this is one of the biggest burdens that I have.  One of the passions of my heart is to teach on the Father heart of God, but I run into people all over the world who say “Well, you’re telling me that God is a Father and He not only loves me, but He likes me.  But what do I do with the God of the Old Testament; I know that they’re one of the same but it looks like He’s ticked off all the time and angry.”  And yet the bridal paradigm of the Kingdom especially as revealed through the older covenant to me is the key to understanding what we’re reading in the scriptures. God is a jealous lover, and I say that in the purest of senses; He reveled Himself to Israel as her husband and without understanding that we will never have a clear understanding of His judgments, His anger which is really nothing more than His righteous indignation.  I think that we have to come back to the fact that God’s primary emotion is love, it’s not anger; that’s why the prophets throughout the older covenant talked about temporary judgment, temporary anger in comparing it to His loving kindness that endures forever. So in a nutshell we’ve got to see the scriptures as a divine eternal romance between God and human beings; in particular between God and a nation that He chose for Himself.  And throughout the older covenant Israel is often referred to as His wife and without understanding that, without understanding her unfaithfulness and what God perceived to be spiritual adultery you’ll never understand His burning passion and jealousy for His wife.

Sid: For those that are not familiar with this SJ Hill. He’s taught on being connected with the best Bible Schools in America.  He was on the faculty of the Brownsville Revival School of Ministry, professor Emeritus at the Fire School of Ministry, he’s been on staff at Mike Bickle’s Forerunner School of Prayer. What you’re talking about SJ is something that so few Bible believers understand and yet you can’t put the older as you put it, the older covenant and the new covenant together as God really wanted it put together.  What you’re talking about is like a missing ingredient to most Christians, why is this?

SJ: Well, I believe that we’re trying to understand an eastern book through a western world view you know without getting too heavy. Within 150 years of the death of the disciples the early church fathers knowingly or unknowingly started introducing Greek Philosophy into the early church.  And I think that has done as much damage as anything to the body of Christ over the centuries because we’re trying to understand the scriptures through Greek Philosophy and a western world view.  And you know to the Greeks God was a distant and aloof, He was not emotional; for Him to be touched with human emotion would make Him less than God, it would bring Him down to our level.  And so when you start taking the emotion out of the equation the passion of God’s heart for human beings, His burning jealousy and love for those who are His, then the scriptures especially the older covenant become boring, it becomes dull; it become archaic and outdated and then we have a hard time putting His love together with His judgments. And one of the things that burns in my heart Sid is for a generation to really get this. You know before Jesus comes back I believe that He wants a bride who’s passionately loving Him.  You know not doing stuff out of religious duty and obligation.  And without the bridal understanding of the scriptures and not realizing the human history as we know it began with a wedding and human history as we know it is going to conclude with a wedding.  That’s spoken of in Revelation Chapter 19.  Without understanding that the Bible the scripture were meant to be seen as a sacred romance this stuff becomes dull, it becomes unattractive, we end up doing the right things for the wrong reasons. We’re trying to give our hearts to rules, regulations; it becomes more about discipline and duty than a response of love and so you know this stuff burns in me.  I just get totally stoked, excited whatever word you want to use because I want to see the Jewish people, I want to see the Gentiles come alive in the passion of God.  I really believe that God has been totally misunderstood especially from what is revealed in the older covenant.  And so I’m really glad that we’re having a chance to talk today on the phone.

Sid: Tell me a bit about your background where did this love for the Jew in Israel this understanding, and then piggybacking of how this understanding developed of the Whole wedding which is Greek, it’s foreign for most of our listeners.

SJ: Yes, well I was raised in a very conservative denomination my dad was a Pastor and grew up in a church so that’s all I’ve known.  I was baptized in the Holy Spirit in 1970 during the Jesus people movement.  My parents raised me always to have a love for Israel; we felt that Israel was the Apple of God’s eye; I knew very early on in my Christian experience that we as Gentiles had been grafted into the tree Israel.  I’ve never just taken Old Testament promises or older covenant promises and tried to just try to apply them to my own life without understanding that these promises were primarily made to Israel.

Sid: Boy you are unique, but you’re also speaking truth.

SJ: Yeah, yeah.  But you know it’s just something that over time the Holy Spirit has developed in me.  I’ve been to Israel now three times, I would go back tomorrow if I had a chance to.

Sid: What affect does it have on someone, I know it’s new it’s less than a year old but you’ve been teaching on this subject of the story of God’s jealous love for people.  What affect does it have on when someone captures this message?

SJ: Well, it changes their whole view of the scriptures, I mean what I hear continually from people that when they put my book enjoying God together with burning desire what I hear continually Sid is that it’s like reading a new Bible.  The judgments of God, the Old Testament prophets are totally misunderstood you know to a lot of people the prophets are these hardcore individuals who love to get into people’s faces with a turn or burn message. They had these long pointed bony fingers and I tell young people especially that the prophets literally felt the broken heart of God; to what degree we don’t know.  But they literally felt the burning jealousy of God’s heart for an adulterous wife called Israel.  And yet God raised them up to whew this adulterous wife back to Himself and He would judge her in her sin.  But I like to put it this way, God judged everything that hindered love. I think what’s coming on the earth in the days to come is really going to be an expression of that.  He’s going to judge everything that…

Sid: Listen the whole paradigm, your whole paradigm is going to change when you read this book “Burning Desire.”  And your hunger for an intimacy with a God that is madly in love with you; your whole paradigm will change.

SID: You know, with all these advances and technology, and Daniel spoke about it, that there would be an increase of knowledge in the last days. And I was thinking an increase of knowledge of God’s Word, which there is. But there’s also an increase in the devil’s information, mind control and things like that. Many people are really concerned. What would you say to them, because this is pretty dark stuff you’ve been talking about.

PAUL: It’s very dark stuff. And you know, I cried out to the Lord for an answer, and the Lord spoke to me, and He said that in the last days as these problems accelerate, that God was going to pour out this supernatural power in an unprecedented force and manner. And as I’m joining you now, I just want to share with you very briefly that, no matter what situation you’re facing, whether you’re religious or not, that right now as you’re watching this TV program, the supernatural power of God is flowing through this studio into your bedroom or living room, or wherever you are, and you can feel it. It’s like a tangible force. It’s like electricity is filling your room and you can sense the overwhelming power of God. I just want to encourage you, that’s going to give you the power you need to live triumphantly in the days to come. But no matter what you’re facing, the Lord simply wants you to just receive His force as He extends it to you now. So whatever you’re facing, whatever challenge or problem you have, at this moment the Lord delights in proving His reality, not with talk, but with power.

SID: And you know what? I can feel this in the presence in the name of Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit is going to tangibly come into you right now.

PAUL: Absolutely right. So what I want to share with you is as you feel this incredible power and supernatural force flood into your room, and you can feel it, I just want to ask you to make the choice to receive it. So you’re feeling the supernatural force of God with an overwhelming sense that Jesus Christ is touching you now. And we’re not talking about words or hypnosis. We’re talking about the power of God moving through the airwaves through this studio, and it’s flooding your bedroom and your office. And all you have to do is respond to it and God is going to do something absolutely incredible for you.

SID: Pray right now.

PAUL: Lord, I ask in the name of Jesus that whatever problem a person is facing, whether you’re an influential leader or an ordinary person, whatever your need is, whatever you’re struggling with is, I ask in the name of Jesus that power of the Holy Spirit that is flooding this studio would move into your life right now. And in Jesus’ name I say to you that you are experiencing a supernatural miracle. Simply receive it and you will see just how powerful God is.

SID: Have you seen the third great awakening?

PAUL: Yes. I was doing research on the subject and saying, God, is there any hope for America? Because a lot of people are blinded by a dark supernatural force where they think everything has to get worse, and I’m just a victim. And I just want to say to those people, that idea that everything has to get worse and you’re just a victim is a demonic attack. It’s an attack from principalities of powers. And the Lord wants you to rise up. It’s not God’s will for America to be destroyed. But God said, if the repentance is real and my people will truly seek my face, He will send His power upon this nation with such great force it will transform it.

SID: Last word: Hopelessness. It’s a spirit. You get out in Jesus’ name because there is hope in the Messiah.

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Sid: Well, I’m speaking a young woman that’s red hot for the Messiah Misty Edwards. She spends a minimum of a couple of hours every day just worshiping God and leading people in the ministry in Kansas City the IHOP ministry in worship and prayer.  And she has just literally has a spiritual DNA that will cause you to hunger for God more than anything you’ve ever done in your life.  Misty if there’s ever been a time to hunger for God more than anything you’ve ever done in your life it’s now.  Tell me about the dream you had about the oil.

Misty: The dream I had about the oil – yeah I was full time in the ministry; I was going 100% full steam ahead, but I was feeling just an empty on the verge of what people would call burnout.  This was just a few years ago, and I was showing up and trying to lead worship but disconnected I was reading the word of God but I wasn’t feeling the anointing I didn’t want to cry. I wasn’t feeling the tenderness on my heart.  And that’s a scary place to because that opens the door for sin, that opens the door for bitterness, anger all kinds of hardness of heart.  So one night before I went to bed I just got on my knees and I said “Lord, Lord I don’t understand what is going on in my heart You need to help me; tell me where I am and how I got here.”  That night I had a dream and in the dream I’m in my car and I’m speeding down a highway you know it’s pitch black, it’s the darkest night and I am going 100 miles an hour down this highway feeling completely out of control.  And suddenly my car begins to rumble and I looked down and I see the oil light is flashing and I instantly thought of Matthew 25. I instantly knew what the Lord was saying to me that I did not have the oil of intimacy on my heart and I had put my ministry and I had put you know everything that I was doing for the Lord ahead of my relationship with Him. He warned me if I didn’t take the time to actually connect with Him at the heart level and even say “No to a few opportunities, say no to a few things that seemed good in order to have more time or just that heart connect less distraction because the hours was dark and I wasn’t going to make it if I didn’t have a deeper connection.”  So I would link that with the Matthew 25 when He tells the parable of the wise and the foolish.  And I believe…

Sid: But wait a second Misty, you’re doing some wonderful things for God doesn’t that have a priority over just you worshiping God?

Misty: Yeah, I believe it does have a priority, but I think it’s the order the order of priority.  I was doing things that even that even would have looked like prayer but my heart was so far away because I was distracted. It was actually anger, it was bitterness, it was you know things weren’t going the way that I thought they should and it was…you know with bitterness and that jadedness kind of…

Sid: Well, you slipped from being Mary to Martha that’s what you’re telling me.

Misty: Yeah, and I don’t think that Jesus was telling Martha that she should never work, He wants us to work obviously, but it’s the posture of our heart and the order of our priority.

Sid: And you know in Matthew 25 that’s one of my favorite chapters; everything in Matthew 25 but the ten virgins, five wise and five foolish.  The thing that jumps out at me every time I read it is you’ve got to get your oil for yourself you can’t trade on someone else’s oil.

Misty: That’s right and I think I live in an environment of fiery people and it’s very easy to pick up on the rhetoric and the language and you know we are a people of one thing.  But am I a person of one thing; am I connected to the Holy Spirit you know am I going deeper in His word and deeper in understanding?  So it was a real pivotal time in my life when I had that dream and you know I began to study Matthew 25 and it’s actually my life passages because of that.  I continually go back to that.

Sid: When you were a young child you had a favorite song it was called “Resting Place” tell me about that song.

Misty: Oh, I remember singing this from the time I was little I don’t ever remember the first time I heard it where it speaks of Heaven is my throne earth is my footstool from the Book of Isaiah.  “You know where is the house you will build for Me?”  And He basically says I’m not going to dwell in your house that’s made of hands I want to dwell with the hearts of men.  And I believe ultimately He’s actually going to dwell in Jerusalem but for now it’s in our hearts primarily.  I set my goal to become you know Jesus’ so to speak favorite place. His resting place which means to not strive against Him, to not be in disagreement with Him to actually line up my heart.  If we’re in agreement with Him to where we’re at peace and we’re at rest and not only are we His resting place He becomes our resting place; He becomes my favorite place; the place I go for refreshment. Not the place I have to kind of gear up and face Him you know because I’m at peace with Him. That’s become one of my greatest life goals and I’ll get rid of everything that gets in the way of that; any sin, any immorality, any distraction, anything to get rid of that keeps me from being His resting place.

Sid: Well, one of the things I interviewed Steve Hill recently and one of the things he was very concerned about he had his vision of the avalanche of false teaching in the last days.  And one of the teachings he was concerned about was counterfeit grace.

Misty: Yes.

Sid: What’s the difference between the two?

Misty: Oh, I have a lot of energy right now on the counterfeit grace message. I believe it is one of the biggest crisis’ in the church today.  You know I interact with a lot of young people in the worship movement and there’s this doctrine that defines grace as a Jesus did it all for us and so we don’t have to do anything it’s more of a mind game.  We just believe that He did it and it doesn’t matter what we do with our daily life.  I mean I’m making it too simplistic but that’s what it comes down to.  And I believe Jesus did it all as far as our salvation; but there is so much required in walking out that salvation and being transformed into His image.  My pain is that we have lower that the vision of what life in God looks like and the joy and the pleasure and the freedom of holiness.  You know the freedom of transcendence and this dark message of his false grace; I believe it’s a dangerous lie that is hurting specifically our young people and beyond.

Sid: It’s sort of like the scriptures say without holiness we can’t see God. So when you die you’re not going to see God you’re in big trouble.

Misty: Yeah.

Sid: But I like the line that you had and that is that the human heart was 100% holiness.

Misty: Yeah and I think of holiness is another word for transcendence and it’s actually freedom the ultimate freedom.  It’s freedom from greed, from self-centeredness, from bitterness from where we wage war upon our sin it’s about freedom. So what I want to do is I want to give young people a vision for holiness.  Not what the paradigm of what they have of a …

Sid: Some of these Bible schools Misty and you may know it the kids are taught this counterfeit grace message and they’re sleeping with each other and their having babies out of wedlock and what kind of generation if this is the believers are we having?

Misty: Yeah, I know it breaks my heart, it breaks my heart because there’s so much more in life in God.  You know we don’t have to live this way, I believe in mercy you know there’s forgiveness and mercy but we must line up with the truth.

Sid: Okay, your favorite song as a child “Resting Place.”

Misty: Misty “Resting Place” excerpt.

Sid:  My guest Roy Fields is a Worship Leader and he lives to worship God, he feels God pleasure when he worships Him every single time. And he worships God usually in a revival setting.  I don’t mean a Baptist church with a little sign out front saying “Revival Meeting.”  I mean when God shows up. As a matter of fact tell me about the lady who fell off of a roof and was in pain for how many years?

Roy:  Something like 9 years, yeah. She came to one of the meetings, they actually had two people bring her in she was hunched over.  She was crying on the way in and she had been in our service for like 2 hours of worship and she started to sit up a little bit in her chair and then then at the end of the night she had to leave because the pain had come back during the preaching.  And as she was walking out towards the back the lady grabbed a hold of me and say’s “Will you come pray for her please.” I had another evangelist that was preaching for me at that time. I came out back and began to pray with her and I looked her in her eye and I says “When did you feel the pain leave you?”  And she said “During one of the one of the songs you sang.”  And I said “You kidding.”  And I said “Well, look at me now lady, I tell you in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth you’re going to walk out of this place today.  And I just knew it Sid, and I don’t know how to explain it, I grabbed her by her wrists and I looked her in the eye and I said “Now stand.”  And she stood right up, it was almost like her back had just lined up with everything we said.

Sid: You know it was before that time she was sort of hunched over.

Roy:  She was hunched over, she was actually helped into the meeting, yeah.

Sid: Hm.

Roy:  And she stood straight up and to her surprise I said “I’m going to freak you out, because it was freaking me out.  And so she walked down one side of the hall and back the other.  And later on she had showed up in another meeting in another town a week later and she was completely healed, she came in with her sneakers jumping, showing me that she was completely healed and I said “Wow that’s way more than what you did the night we prayed with you, what happened?”  She said, “When I went home that night I put on some of the worship and I began to just lay in bed and she said “Like a belt I felt like I was folded in half and then snapped 4 different times” and she said “It’s like everything in my body just lined up, lined up.”  She said, “I haven’t been on any pain medication.”  She goes “Roy, I’m totally healed.”

Sid: Roy, you got an insight a revelation of when we worship we’re worshiping with Heaven, what did God show you?

Roy:  There was a time just recently actually I was up top of a mountain at a pastor’s house that he had been the man used in my life to teach me how to pray and how to just worship God and with prayer.  And we just started talking about the subject of Heaven and what if Heaven is all around us, what if it’s not someplace out of earth but it’s just all around us.  And we talked about Elijah how he was taken off in a chariot, and how Enoch just was no more because he was walking with God.  And as I said that I said “You know I wonder if we’re surrounded by witnesses everywhere around us and they’re just walking around?”  Because when Jesus was raised from the dead it says that there were saints of old that were seen walking around as well.  And it was about 9:30 at night and I just said “What if Heaven’s all around us, what if people are listening to our conversation right now.”  Oh, my gosh I try not to share this too many places because it’s a fearful thing, but as I said that I watched everything disappear in front of me, the pond disappeared, the forest disappeared, everything and I saw a mass of people, just regular people standing there saying nothing with their head tilted towards us listening to what we were saying.  And I saw it and pastor did not see it but he felt it.  And I said “Oh, my gosh did you see that, did you hear that?”  And he goes “Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah” And then it just went away and it just disappeared.

Sid: So both of you had your eyes opened to see that we’re surrounded with witnesses and that Heaven is not a million miles away it’s literally a second away, a millisecond away.

Roy: It’s amazing.  

Sid: Okay.

Roy:  He didn’t actually see it, I did.  He felt it, he had hair go right up in the back of his neck.  It was something else, it was something else. I’ve never had that experience in my entire life ever.

Sid: Tell me about the song briefly “Fill This Place.”

Roy:  “Fill This Place,” was a song back in 2000, oh gosh I think it was 2003, I was a Worship Leader for a church, I was getting ready on a Saturday night as I usually would. I would have the team you know rehearse with me and then they went home.  Well, I always stayed to make sure everything was taken care of and I had my guitar on my shoulder and I was just walking around. I had a wireless unit attached to the guitar and a wireless mike. I would walk around the entire sanctuary and I just began to sing.  And I said “Lord, just fill this place God.” You know I really wanted to see revival in my own church. I said “God just touch every heart that comes in you know fill this place let me feel Your embrace.”  And all of a sudden these words started coming, well I began to play that song over and over and I mean the words supernaturally came.  I’m not really a writer Sid, I mean I’m starting to become one, but I’m really just trying to hear, I’m trying to hear, you know what I mean by that?  I’m just trying to hear.

Sid: I do.

Roy:   What Heaven’s sound is, that’s more important than just trying to write something. Out came this “Let me Feel Your Embrace You’ve called me as Your son, and let the fire rise back to You Lord.”  I just played it and for once again it must be my number for about 2 hours it had gone by and I looked at my watch again and I thought “This is amazing, I’ve been here for 2 hours and it feels like 5 minutes.  And that’s how that song was birthed.

Sid: And the presence is so filled, it’s kind of has a double meaning Roy, you said “Fill the place where you’re having the meeting but to me it means, fill my body with Your Holy Spirit.”

Roy: Yeah.

Sid: Okay,

Roy: That is what I meant by it.

Sid: “Fill This Place” Roy Fields.

Excerpt: “Fill This Place”

Sid: When Roy worships he’s just worshiping God but he does it in the midst of a revival. These 3 CDs are just pregnant with the Spirit of God people are experiencing the fire of God, the love of God.  They’re having breakthroughs in every area of their life, they’re hunger, their first love is coming back for God and there’s someone that needs that.

Sid: I have on the telephone Tom Horn, Tom is coAuthor of the book that we’ve been speaking about “Exo-Vaticana.” You’re probably familiar with their bestselling book which is called “Petrus Romanus” and it’s subtitled “The Final Pope is Here.”  Now why did you jump Tom from the book about the final Pope to a book about extraterrestrial things that the Catholic Church are involved in, what’s the connection?

Tom: (Laughing) that’s a great question you know we well we had last year we were doing shows on “Petrus Romanus” we were making spectacular predictions based on all of our research. We actually went out on a limb and said “Pope Benedict would not die in his office, but in fact that he would abdicate the throne and site health reasons for doing so. And we even gave the dates and we turned out to be extraordinarily correct which of course has kept our phone ringing off the hook. But what a lot of people don’t know it that when we were doing shows on “Petrus Romanus” last year several times we did shows in which the question also came up of what people call the Vatican ET connection.  Why have leaders of the Vatican out there talking about chances being better than not that official disclosure of intelligent alien life is going to be made in the very near future. And then it also seemed like they were accommodating some of the theology to be able to embrace that reality.  And so any time we would bring that up those shows would rocket to be the top shows in the world. We did one on blog talk radio with a friend of mine and we only talked about Petrus, that became the number one show in the world for one week. I came back a couple of weeks later and we did a show on the Vatican ET connection also tying it into some of these prophecies and that became the number one talk show in the world for six weeks. And so what we started realizing is that what we had really only considered in the first book to just be a nominal issue the public was connecting with it in a way that they seem to understand or they were more interested in the prophecy of the Pope’s itself was maybe a bit more complex than the average individual could wrap their mind around or care about.  But the idea you know that the Vatican’s spoke person were out there saying official disclosure is coming soon and it’s going to dramatically impact Christianity as we know it. Now this is something people around the world could really kind of you know become alert to and wanted to know about. And so it just seemed the right thing to do that we had to take the next step and do a thorough investigation and the new book “Exo-Vaticana” is actually even larger, it’s over 600 pages in a 6 x 9 trim with all most a thousand authoritative in notes.

Sid: I think that when people find out your background they’re going to understand why God has handpicked you to be involved in this project. Now you have been an Assembly of God pastor for over 25 years.  Tell me a bit about a year after you came to the Lord, what happened to you.

Tom: Well, this truly was a supernatural event. I was a very young Christian, I was so sincerely seeking the Lord’s Sid; I mean I would go to work and I did my job like I was supposed to do but I was in the union so we got breaks every two hours, we got a fifteen minute break and every time I got a break I would be in the backroom in the dark on my knees just seeking God so passionately wanting to be used by God.  And one night something very supernatural did in fact occur in that I went to bed with my wife; the next thing I know I’m standing in front of just what is brilliant, just this brilliant light that I can’t even explain.  I can’t say that I saw a form or an outline or something like that but what I knew in my mind was that I was standing before the throne of God. He had told me something.  The Lord had told me something but now He had said “It is time now for you to return and you won’t remember what I’ve told you.”  Well, my rational mind kicked in right, and I started saying “But Lord wait a minute this is too great this is too wonderful please don’t let me forget.”  And I started dropping, I started falling backwards and this was very, very real to me. At that moment this was happening. I could see Heaven kind of departing very quickly as if you’d fallen out of an airplane you were falling with your face up towards the sky. It was all moving away from me very quickly and all of a sudden I say the roof of my house go around me. I just went through it and it went around me and I hit the bed and at that moment Sid I breathed in very deeply I went “Huuuh” and I literally sat up in bed.  Now I was awake I was really awake and I was sitting there and I heard my wife just bawling her eyes out. I turned and I looked and here was my wife Anita sitting in the bed next to me and she was just crying and crying.  And I couldn’t figure out what was going on and as the moments unfolded she explained to me that she had woke up in the middle of the night and I was dead as the doornail I had no breath, I had no pulse. In fact my body was already cold and she was shaking me and beating on me and this went on for maybe 10 minutes I was completely unaware that it was even happening.  So I was quite literally dead and she was beating on my chest.  She finally gave up, she was just about to crawl out of bed and dial 911 and tell them everybody that her husband died when suddenly I woke up and I came out of it and my heart started beating again.  Nothing like that has ever happened since that time and I’ve always known Sid that the Lord allowed that to happen for my wife to wake up and find me in that condition so that I would never doubt the fact that this was a supernatural event otherwise you know how it is, time goes by and after a while the enemy comes in and he starts telling you “Well, you ate too many chili beans or something; that wasn’t real.”  But the Lord allowed her to find me in that condition and for so many minutes that it was beyond the fact that it could have been coincidental.  But then what happened was I went to my pastor and he really kind of… well, he didn’t know how to deal with it. I was looking for answer, my question was this “Why in the world if this came from God and I believe it did; why would God tell me anything and then allow me to forget it, that just didn’t make any sense right?”  And so my pastor didn’t get it either but I happened to be reading through the Bible this was the first time in my life, I was a young Christian I was reading through the Bible and I happened to be in the book of Job when all of a sudden my eyes fell on this place in Job where it says “In the night time, in deep sleep, in slumbering’ upon the bed then God seals the instructions of the righteous within them to hide pride from man.”  And I saw that verse and here I’m a young Christian I don’t know anything really about theology but the light just went on that whatever this was God had sealed these instructions within me.  And when the times were right down through life if I continued to commit myself to the Lord whenever I was sincerely seeking whether I should go left, whether I should go right; what should I do. God had sealed this information within me and when the time was right He would let me know.  Now that little part on the end that says “To hide pride from man” I really got that later in life that is as a very young believer I would have made two mistakes if I had known where God was going to take me.  First of all if I had known I was going to pastor you know very large churches actually for 25 years being an Executive in the largest evangelical institution in the world; see myself on television and then preaching and then going to these large conferences and speaking.  If I had saw that as a young Christian to mistakes, one “I certainly could have been lifted up with pride and that’s what that text says He does that to hide pride from man to keep us from our errors.  And secondly I would have just made a beeline towards the end gain, I would have just aimed right at whatever I thought God wanted me to do and I would not have gone through all those very important lessons the hard lessons and the good lessons that you learn that temper your steel, your metal as a believer.

Sid: And let me tell you you have to have your metal tempered with what you’re tackling right now; I mean I don’t think you realize how huge this is this “Exo-Vaticana.” But I also see that you had some personal stories with relatives having to do with aliens.

Tom: Yeah, and in fact, you know for the first time in this book “Exo-Vaticana.” I am telling a very large part of one of the biggest secrets that has to do with part of my family. It’s a secret that I’ve kept it buried for my entire adult life. It’s remained sealed partly due to actually a binding agreement a settlement between members of my family, state authorities, and federal investigators. And part of this has to do with a family member who was a nuclear physicist with the uppermost security clearance doing research in a nuclear and biological warfare in General Atomics in San Diego California. At one point he was transferred from General Atomics to Los Alamo National Laboratory in New Mexico where he was involved with a top secret project. The details of which my family was oblivious to; of course that’s the same facility that was founded during World War II as a Covert Laboratory to coordinate the Manhattan project, right.  The allied undertaking to develop the first nuclear weapons but sinisterly it’s also been connected to an alleged secret alien underground facility beneath the Archuleta Meza on the New Mexico border near Dulce. It’s been connected to genetic experiments on humans, UFO’s, even they claim that five alien bodies, extraterrestrial biological entities had been recovered from 1947 at the Roswell crash site and then sent to a safe house there at the Las Alamos National Laboratory; so it has all that history. But it was during that time while he was conducting top secret research with the US government at Las Alamos that one night he came home, now you have to realize that none of these people were living Christian lives, I was the only one at that time in my family that was a Christian.  And he came home and under the influence of alcohol he stated that the laboratory where he was working was involved with the so called “alien agenda.”

Sid: You can’t possibly understand endtimes without these two books they document secret files in the Vatican Library and belief in aliens. “Petrus Romanus; the Last Pope” is the first book.  Hidden in Vatican Libraries.  Nine hundred years ago there was a visionof the next 112 Popes stunning accuracy of the first 111; now this last Pope will take office for the Final Judgment.” The second book literally just off the press not available in book stores exclusively with our ministry is called “Exo-Vaticana.” It documents the Vatican plans for arrival of an alien god with a small “g” from another planet and complete reevaluations of Christianity from the Vatican.

Sid: I’m interrupting this telecast with a special announcement we have a new Pope St. Francis.  According to the Malachi prophecy he had to be a Roman, did you know that this new Pope’s parents were from Italy, Roman.  Not only that he’s the first Jesuit to ever be Pope and as you’ve just heard the Jesuits are involved with the aliens.

Sid: So Ricardo Sanchez is the Worship Leader for Jensen Franklin, and all of a sudden God says “I want you to start your own ministry.”  How did that hit you?

Ricardo: Like a ton of bricks you know we…it’s like leaving a warm bed your enjoying comfort and sleep it’s still powerful I mean God’s moving but at the same time there is something inside you.  There is a call of God inside you that you need to obey above comfort-ability and security, that’s probably a better word to describe it.  So love Pastor Franklin and the church I’m back there every chance I can possibly get. But obeying God it’s sometimes, sometimes a bit nerve racking and intimidating but that’s exactly what we did. Sid when I had left the church I had no income, I had nothing on the calendar to be honest I had 3 dates and this was May.  So I had almost a full year in front of me with no opportunity to generate an income for my young family.  We had a small bit of savings so when I made the decision to enter into full time ministry on our own I just felt this nudging from God regardless of what you see Ricardo I am greater than it, I will supply all your sufficiency for all good things.  And I remember getting out of that meeting going home and just weeping before God, “Did I make the right decision, this is a world changing ministry, Jensen Franklin is an incredible man of God; he’s the most incredible man to work for, to minister alongside with.” And as I began driving I remember this old song “If God be for me.”  I just began weeping, “Who can be against me, God if You are for me, who can be against me.”  And when I got home I felt God’s presence even in my car driving those 6 miles back home.  And when I got home I went directly to my office I didn’t want to tell my wife what I felt God telling me because I was a bit intimidated to  share with her.  I picked up my guitar and sat at the keyboard actually with my guitar and I wrote “I will not fear for I know you’re with me everywhere I go if God be for me who can be against me.”  And the song “If God be for me” was birthed through that moment.

Sid: Let’s hear it.

Ricardo: “If God be for me.”

Sid: Ricardo, we know that God is for us, but what happens when circumstances are out of our control; for instance there is someone listening that has just been laid off from work. They have no savings, there is someone else listening they just gotten a diagnosis of cancer, there is someone else listening right now and their daughter won’t speak to them anymore. This life is a hard life, we know the fact that God is for us but what happens when things are out of control, what do we do?

Ricardo: Such a great question Sid, so many are walking through that.  I firmly believe it’s not what happens to you that defines you it’s how you respond to what happens to you.  I don’t think God is interested necessarily in those that are abusing or those that are confusing you.  I think God is more interested in you and how are you going to respond to it.  Because I believe that all things work together for the good to those that love God and are called according to His purpose.  And if we want to accomplish those things that God has purposed in our life then we have to recognize first and foremost that there is a reason, and regardless of what it is though the enemy comes in like a flood the Bible says that God will raise up a standard against him, though confusion comes in, though pain, frustration, fear and doubt might come in we have to have the understanding and the revelation that God is still God first and foremost.  And I look at even Joseph how his brothers wanted to destroy him because they knew the promise of God that was on his life regardless of what you’re walking through.  Basically threw him in a pit to be sold but I believe it’s the pit that qualified Joseph for the palace.  It was God and all of the Heavens looking at Joseph and I’m a musician so I look at things in the natural and supernatural and metaphors and such but I see Heaven looking over and looking at us.  “What are you going to do?’ How are you going to respond, what is going to come out of your mouth, is it going to be cursing God, is it going to be cursing man or is it going to be praise.  Is it going to be God regardless of what I see…

Sid: Or is it going to be as you like to say in the valley of…. “Why God, why is this happening to me?”  And your focus is on the why and not the solution.

Ricardo: Exactly and God is the solution, the promises of God but it all begins with us understanding that he’s already accomplished it on the cross that we now…there’s a beam on the cross a beam touching earth and abeam touching Heaven.  We now as earth beings have access to the Heavenly realm and we have to grab hold of this truth.  And I believe it’s the waiting; how we wait the sound that we make, the sound with our mouth, the sound with our attitude, the attitude the sound with our character.  I tell you we’re Christians who have the great promise “We’re the family of God.”  And I think sometimes our character and our expressions we’re so negative and we’re so unapproachable and I really believe that we need to grasp the revelation that we have joy that we have good news that the world is dying to know. “If God be for us, who could possibly be against us” that is some good news.

Sid: There is no limits with God… I’m amazed what happened Ricardo in some of your meetings in Mexico, and I mean quick what happened?

Ricardo: We were leading worship and right before Pastor Sergio gets up to speak there’s screaming going on in the crowd and there was an elderly gentleman who got up for the first time in 20 years and begin to walk.  Miracles started unraveling in the congregation where all they have is faith, that’s all they had.  In the midst of worship nobody was teaching it was just environment…

Sid: Now I remember going to a meeting in which Roy Fields was leading worship, and these were people that flew in from all over the world because miracles were going to happen; and there was such an expectancy the air was literally charged with faith.  Roy when you do meetings, where the air is charged with such expectancy and such faith that’s got to make all the difference in the world to you doesn’t it?

Roy: Absolutely, because it’s not about me it’s about Him it’s about Jesus.

Sid: Well, let’s before we find out all the wonderful things God is doing when you worship Him; the miracles that are taking place. I want to take you back as a young man.  Your mother was watching Christian television and got saved and she was a single mom, was that correct?

Roy: Yeah.

Sid: And so at age 8 you become a believer and what memories do you have your mom after she became a believer.

Roy: I always remember my mother taking me to church, I mean any time the church doors were open she was going whether it began the Sunday morning service or Wednesday night meeting. We grew up in the Assembly of God church.  Even when they had special meetings I just remember going to church all the time.  And My mom was always a praying woman, I’d always look at my Mom and she prayed all the time because she didn’t have a husband and she didn’t have you know a father for me.  I was a handful Sid, I was quite a handful; I had a lot of anger in my heart because my dad wasn’t there. I just remember that all the time she would try to do the best she could but it was a pretty tough life.

Sid: So you got saved as a young child at 8 years old and then at 11 you were filled with the Holy Spirit but you felt a call into ministry tell me about that.

Roy: Oh, I’ll never forget that I was in a house a good old fashion Bible study where people had gone to Sunday morning service, but then there was other churches that came together and they just had this Bible study with different denominations and different people.  And they had about 40 or 50 people packed in this living room. There were 5 acoustic guitarists lined up across the front and they were leading worship and they sang this song called “I Lift My Hands” and it kind of went like (singing) “I lift my hands to the coming King, to the great I AM, to You I sing.  For Your the one who reigns within my heart.”  I mean it got to that chorus part where it goes (singing) “I will serve no foreign God or any other treasure.”  And when I heard that all I could tell you is that the presence of God just hit me and I realized I don’t serve some foreign god He’s real and I felt my whole body was just I can’t explain it it was just charged with electricity.  And in that moment I didn’t hear God’s voice I felt Him; in that moment I said out of my mouth I said “Lord if this is what I get to feel every time leading worship takes place or your presence comes I want to do this the rest of my life.”

Sid: Now at that point were you musically inclined?  Did you play any instruments?

Roy:  No the crazy thing is when I was 8 years old my mother wouldn’t let me play an instrument because I wanted to play saxophone, and I had asthma since I was 2 years of age and so she was nervous that I might use up all my breath and not be able to breath.  So I couldn’t play anything; when I wanted to play drums in elementary school about 4 different boys had already taken the spot or the position so I didn’t play any instrument and so at 11½ that’s when I turned to one of the guitar players and I said “Could you show me a chord, I want to learn what you’re doing.”  And he let me play his guitar for like 20 minutes and that was it I was sold, my mother took me to a Salvation Army the next couple of days and we bought this little student guitar. I put on some new strings on that guitar and like a hippy I wrote “I love Jesus” on the back of it. (Laughing) I played it by myself like three chords for weeks because I didn’t know anything else.  I just worshiped in my bedroom and that really started everything for me; it was those moments yeah.

Sid: Well, let me ask you this you said to God “If this is what it’s like I want to be a worshiper all the time.”  Is it like that when you worship, I mean, you’ve been worshiping now for years and years and multiple meetings sometimes even in a day.  Is it still the same?

Roy: (Crying) It really is Sid, it’s the most precious thing that I have. I really don’t have anything else in my life except this presence.    

Sid: You know before we went on the air I was telling you about a movie I saw many years ago called “Chariots of Fire,” it’s a true story about two track stars. And one of the two was a Christian and when he would run he would say “I feel God’s pleasure when I run.”  Would you say “I feel God’s pleasure when I worship God?”  Would you say that Roy?

Roy: Oh, absolutely, excuse me Sid, yeah I would absolutely say that, when I look out and I see the faces of the people and I see them getting caught up in worship it’s like I’m watching a transformation in front of my eyes. I don’t even think about myself I think about that person or I thing about God and how He touched, how He touched mankind.  I can see somebody coming with depression or somebody comes in with pain.  And you get the straggler who comes in the back of the room and he doesn’t want to worship at all he’s got his arms folded and sometimes I’ll say “Lord help me with this service I want to reach that guy right back there” And I’ll  almost change the whole service just to get that guy so that every single person is engaged worshiping God and I feel that approval from God, I feel that acceptance.  And I feel like I have been designed to run this way; that’s the reason I was created.

Sid: But I have to ask you this “You still sound so tender, so sensitive to God how do you stay that way; I mean with all the junk you must have seen being in ministry of humans letting you down etcetera, etcetera. How do you stay so tender before God?”

Roy:   You’re going to make me cry, (crying) “I’m sorry, probably because God’s done such a work in me, and He saved me, and it’s overwhelming to me and I just; I don’t know Sid it’s the grace of God I guess I could come up with an answer and try to make it sound all great but It’s just really the grace of God in my life.  I’ve got a great wife by my side today, you know I had some backsliding years at 19 to 21.  I don’t know at 21 I was at upstate New York and I cried out to God and I said “Lord, I know that You’ve called me and I said “I don’t even what to….”  I got to a point Sid where I didn’t want to be in church anymore, it was so fake to me, everybody else was becoming so fake and so religious and it’s like they weren’t being real. And I said to God I said “I can’t take this anymore.”  And when I was in the world from age 19 and 21 I didn’t like the world either, I remember walking into a bar one time and these friends of mine who said they were my friends left when a guy picked a fight with me.  And I thought “Even they desert me,”  And I had a moment with God at 21 and I said “Lord, I don’t want Your church, and I don’t want the world, I just want You.”  And He touched me, He touched me and I ended up a series of events took place where months later I moved down to Florida. Within in 2 months I met my wife and things just started to change I can’t even explain it, I was leading worship everywhere. And things were happening extraordinarily in meetings people were getting healed and coming up.  And I’m not a typical worship guy who wants to sell CD’s. I am so addicted to God’s presence that that’s all that I care about and you know me Sid, I’ve been in crowds of huge amounts of numbers and even that there’s an excitement but nothing compares to what I feel when I’m in His presence when I worship Him; there’s nothing…there’s no car, there’s no house, there’s no accolade, there’s no title, my life doesn’t mean anything without Him, it really doesn’t.

Sid: Well, it shows when you worship God just like Eric Little when he ran, it showed that he felt the pleasure of God.  Your CD’s are unlike most because of your addiction to the presence of God.  And you actually get songs downloaded to you during services. One was actually exclusive for “It’s Supernatural” and these are not like normal music CDs these are birthed in the midst of a move of God’s Spirit of revival. It’s not just good music it’s impregnated with revival and people experience the fire of God; the love of God, breakthroughs.  As hungry as you are for God still today Roy that’s kind of transferred, there’s a God hunger that is transferred to people which leads to really deep intimacy, signs and wonders; addictions are broken, depression disappears, healings. Now tell me about real briefly in 30 seconds about 4 children in different states saw the same angel.

Roy: Oh yeah and to be honest with you…

Sid: No no I’ll tell you what we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.