SID: Then you began operating under an open heaven and the seer gifts started being activated. Tell me about that.

JUSTIN: That’s right. Yeah. So almost immediately I began having dreams. I was trying to read through the Bible as quickly as possible. And I went to bed one night and asked God, “Why don’t you speak to people in dreams anymore?” Because I had just read about Joseph and being raised in a denomination… Actually both of my grandfathers were pastors in a denomination. But I was taught that God didn’t do that anymore. Well, this sincere question in my heart to God before I went to sleep, he heard it and he answered and I received a prophetic dream that night that led to someone that I had known for years to get born again and delivered and restored to their family all because I had a prophetic dream that God used to really bring this person into the kingdom. And from that point forward dreams and shortly thereafter visions became very commonplace.

SID: However, you got really embroiled into ministry and you went through what the world calls burnout. And for seven years it was like the open heaven closed, the gifting stopped. But then you got a hold of two major revelations that not only changed his life, but I promise you, if you will do what he did with these revelations, it’ll change your life. The first person was someone, a prophet who’s now in heaven permanently. His name is Bob Jones, and he provoked me to so much jealousy because every time I’m talking to him, he says, “Well, I was just spent… About an hour ago I was up in heaven. I did this. I did that.” And I’m thinking, what’s a matter with me? I’ve never been up in heaven. You’re doing it all the time. But what did he, major thing he taught you, key?

JUSTIN: Yes. He taught me that waiting on the Lord, waiting in his presence, not reading the Bible even, not even praying, although those things are important, but waiting in God’s presence and discerning the presence of God, waiting for him to lead us into an encounter that that was the doorway. And Bob actually said that many of his most dramatic encounters with God began with something subtle. It began with him waiting in the presence of God and maybe seeing a slight vision or maybe some prompting of the spirit. And it was whenever he leaned in or pressed into what he was seeing, that it became a major encounter even to the point of being caught up into the throne room.

I think I’ve been convinced largely because of scriptures like Hebrews chapter four that we have an invitation to come boldly before the throne of grace. Or a Revelation chapter four that there’s a door standing open in heaven. That was actually Bob’s favorite verse. And there’s a voice saying, “Come up here and I will show you things which are to come.” Hebrews chapter 10 tells us that Jesus has made a new and living way for us to enter behind the veil into the holiest place. And this is a privilege that used to be only for the high priest once a year, but now God has given every believer an invitation to come into his very manifest presence behind the veil into the very throne room. Yeah.

SID: But then you read another person who is now in heaven. She lived over 300 years ago and she took the revelation for you even further. What did she teach you?

JUSTIN: Yes. So Madam Guyon, a 17th century contemplative, lived a life of deep experiential prayer, and she wrote really systematic steps to entering into the presence of God. Some of her principles, such as she would say that prayer is nothing more than the application of the heart to God and the internal exercise of love. In other words, prayer is not primarily a prayer of the head, it’s primarily a prayer of the heart. There were other things that she taught as well related to the word of God and allowing prayer, reading the scriptures to be a real catalyst to a high place of encounter.

Becky: And I went running to the man and I got down to him and when I reached down and touched him, he felt like he had been dead for a long time. His body was cold and stiff like it had been dead for a very long time. And I said, “In Jesus’ name, I renounce the spirit of death. In Jesus’ name, I command you to come back to life.” And nothing happened. And I’m like going, “Oh Lord, this is a healing evangelist’s worst nightmare.” I’m like going, “A man actually died in the healing line. Help me, Lord.” And so I was a little confused at what was going on, why? And so I laid my hand on him again and I said, “You breathe now in Jesus’ name.” And I said it three times. “You breathe, breathe, breathe in the name of Jesus.”

And he took this big gasp of breath … and then he started to roll around and foam at the mouth and all this demonic activity started coming out of the man. I’m starting to stand up looking at this. And a woman out there had come to visit her people and she said, she goes, “Don’t you know who he is?” And I said, “I don’t, I don’t know who he is. Who is he?” She goes, “He’s the witch doctor.” And I was like, “Oh, I get it.” And that morning I had prayed very differently before going out and ministering to the people all day. I had, as we were praying in the spirit, [speaking tongues] as we were praying in tongues that morning, I prayed something I’d never prayed before. But I’ve prayed it ever since. I said, “And may every curse and assignment that they try to put on us today, may it bounce back on them and teach them a lesson in Jesus’ name.”

SID: Well, that was a literal bounce back. The guy goes to touch her, to put a curse on her, and he falls out dead. Would you pray right now against the spirit of death, the demon a death?

BECKY: Amen.

SID: Because I know the authority you carry.

BECKY: Okay, let’s hold hands. In the name of Jesus right now I renounce that spirit of death coming against you in the name of Jesus. I declare no weapon formed against you will prosper. This disease, this sickness in Jesus’ name, you leave their body, that spirit of suicide, you leave their body, that desire to abort your child. I command that spirit of death to come off of you in the mighty name of Jesus. No weapon formed against you will prosper. No evil will come near your dwelling. And those lying spirits will be silenced in the name of Jesus. That spirit of death, you come off of these people right now in the name of Jesus. Amen.

SID: Amen. But then, the next day, she goes to visit the witch doctor. What happened?

BECKY: Yes. I went to go visit him the next day with the help of the interpreters and I wanted to give him the opportunity to get born again if he was willing. And I walked into his hut and I said, “Hi, I’m Becky. Do you remember me?” And he went like this, because he didn’t want to look at me and he was afraid to look at me. And he was … and he felt embarrassed about everything that happened because he realized that he was operating in the lesser power than what we operate in Jesus. Amen? And so, I gave him the opportunity to get born again and he says, “I can’t do what you’re asking me to do.” And I said, “why can’t you?” He said, “The other which doctors,” which are higher than he is, “They already came to visit me and they threatened me if I give my life to Jesus.”

And I tried to minister to him and he said, “I can’t. They’ve come and they have threatened my life. I cannot do this.” And I said, “Okay, I’m telling you how to get born again. I’m just telling you and this is what you do.” And so I told him and we were walking out of the hut and outside of his hut were standing several of his wives, because out there they have multiple wives and many children and grandchildren and all of that. And they were standing outside of the hut and he walked me out to the doorway. So he saw everything and heard everything that was going on and they said, “We don’t want what you have. We don’t want your inheritance. We want this Jesus that she’s talking about.”

SID: You literally saw the contest between evil and God. And it’s a no contest. We win.